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12:00 AM
@kahen Hey there. Maybe you can help @JoshuaCiappara
 
@PeterTamaroff everywhere but at the origin there is a local map
 
@robjohn Aha.
 
@JoshuaCiappara doesn't seem too difficult. We have $B = \bigcup_{n=1}^\infty B_n$ where each $B_i$ is closed and nowhere dense. $X$ is a Baire space, so it's not the countable union of nowhere dense closed sets. If $A$ were such a union, $A = \bigcup_{n=1}^\infty A_n$, then we'd have that $X = \bigcup_{n=1}^\infty C_n$ where $C_n = \begin{cases} A_k & \text{when } n = 2k \\ B_k & \text{when } n = 2k+1\end{cases}$ contradicting that $X$ is a Baire space.
 
I am getting $$\eqalign{
& \frac{1}{2}\frac{v}{{{v^2} + {u^2}}} = \frac{{\partial F}}{{\partial u}} \cr
& - \frac{1}{2}\frac{v}{{{v^2} + {u^2}}} = \frac{{\partial F}}{{\partial v}} \cr
& - \frac{1}{2}\frac{u}{{{v^2} + {u^2}}} = \frac{{\partial G}}{{\partial u}} \cr
& \frac{1}{2}\frac{u}{{{v^2} + {u^2}}} = \frac{{\partial G}}{{\partial v}} \cr} $$
Now I should integrate somehow?
 
12:07 AM
@PeterTamaroff integrate?
 
@robjohn To get $G$ and $F$ explicitly?
 
You can. but unless they ask for it explicitly, it is a pain sometimes.
what that tells you is that $\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}z}\sqrt{z}=\frac12\frac1{\sqrt{z}}$.
 
@robjohn Heh!
 
you know it in terms of $\sqrt{z}$ without necessarily knowng $\sqrt{z}$
so it works no matter which branch you use
 
@robjohn I have calculated crazy Jacobians today. I've seen stuff, dog. I've seen stuff.
 
12:12 AM
@PeterTamaroff as long as you're learning, it's all good
 
@robjohn Yeah.
 
I found an interesting sequence that only produces composite numbers, $2^{n+1}+2^{2 n+3}-3^{n+2}$.
 
@robjohn Hmm, the functions for $(\bar z)^{-1}$ are $$\frac{u}{v^2+u^2}$$ and $$\frac{iv}{u^2+v^2}$$
@cyclochaotic Me too! $2n\; ; \; n=1,2,\dots$ =D
 
@PeterTamaroff yes...
 
@robjohn They are the same that appear in the derivative of $\sqrt z$
 
12:21 AM
@PeterTamaroff 2 is prime
 
@PeterTamaroff but the signs are changed...
 
@cyclochaotic So...?
$2n$ is composite for each $n$. Wasn't that the point?
 
@cyclochaotic no, $2=(1+i)(1-i)$
 
@PeterTamaroff at n=1 it is not
 
@robjohn LOL
@cyclochaotic OK, $2(n+1)$ is composite for $n=1,\dots$
All that ended up being $$=-\frac{1}{(1+x_1+x_2+x_3)^2}$$@robjohn
 
12:24 AM
@PeterTamaroff Mod[2(n+1),2]=Mod[0*(n+1),2]=0 , how do I prove $2^{n+1}+2^{2 n+3}-3^{n+2}$ is composite for n>1?
 
Where $$\omega=\frac{1}{1+x_1+x_2+x_3}$$
@cyclochaotic Let me see,.
But, how are you sure of this?
 
@cyclochaotic didn't you say you had found that sequence and that it only produced composite numbers?
 
@PeterTamaroff I'm not sure, but I tested the first 20,000
with PrimeQ
 
@cyclochaotic Oh, try $\mod 2$.
Oh, nope.
Not $\mod 2$
 
ill post the first 15
 
12:25 AM
2 and 3 won't be factors
 
@TobiasKildetoft Yep.
 
$\begin{array}{ll}
0 & 1 \\
1 & 3^2 \\
2 & 5^1\cdot 11^1 \\
3 & 3^1\cdot 5^1\cdot 19^1 \\
4 & 7^1\cdot 193^1 \\
5 & 3^1\cdot 7^1\cdot 17^2 \\
6 & 5^1\cdot 23^1\cdot 229^1 \\
7 & 3^3\cdot 5^1\cdot 827^1 \\
8 & 11^1\cdot 13^1\cdot 3257^1 \\
9 & 3^1\cdot 11^1\cdot 23^1\cdot 2531^1 \\
10 & 5^1\cdot 7^1\cdot 13^1\cdot 23^1\cdot 751^1 \\
11 & 3^1\cdot 5^1\cdot 7^1\cdot 13^1\cdot 23417^1 \\
12 & 11^1\cdot 3257^1\cdot 3613^1 \\
13 & 3^2\cdot 6659^1\cdot 8719^1 \\
14 & 5^1\cdot 17^1\cdot 599^1\cdot 41333^1 \\
 
@PeterTamaroff interesting. It is a good thing we have matrices.
 
ohh, right 3 can indeed be a factor
 
@cyclochaotic okay, I'm confused... what is all that?
 
12:27 AM
the pattern is 3,5,3,?,3,5,3,? etc
 
@cyclochaotic hmm, since the factors seem to not stay small, it might be tricky showing it to be composite
@cyclochaotic ahh, right
so those parts should be easy to see by looking at it mod 3 or 5 and using little fermat
 
That table is $2^{n+1}+2^{2 n+3}-3^{n+2}$ for n=1 to 15
*25
 
so it is when $n$ is divisible by $4$ that strange things can happen
 
(I didn't do the calculation, but it seems that the other cases should be easy)
@cyclochaotic have you tried looking at only the ones for n divisible by 4 (so put in $4n$ instead of $n$) and seeing if the smallest prime divisor seems to stay bounded?
 
12:31 AM
@TobiasKildetoft at n=1 (mod 4) it's easy to show that 5 divides the sequence
@TobiasKildetoft I have not done the 3's yet
 
you mean 3 divides it when $n$ is $1$ mod $4$
 
yes my bad i meant n=2(mod)4
 
when $n$ is odd, the first two summands cancel mod $3$, so it is divisible by $3$ in that case
 
@TobiasKildetoft agreed
 
@cyclochaotic how come you were looking at those numbers anyway?
 
12:38 AM
@TobiasKildetoft I am interesting in finding large prime numbers
 
Don't know if it helps, but your sequence is
 
(I don't think looking at stuff like this will be an efficient way to do that btw)
 
@TobiasKildetoft so I started looking at 3 variable general homogeneous polynomials
 
$2(4^{n+1}-3^{n+1})-(3^{n+1}-2^{n+1})$
 
12:40 AM
It comes form this with a=2, $\frac{1}{2} \left(a^{n+2}-2 (a+1)^{n+2}+(a+2)^{n+2}\right)$
 
$\mod 3$ we get $2+2^{n+1}$
 
I find primes for a=4 and 5
but not a=1 or 2
Note that at a=0 we get the Mersennes
I was wondering if there was a Mod trick I was missing
 
@cyclochaotic not really since we are not looking for it to be divisible by a specific prime
it might still be that it will divisible by at least one of some fixed list of primes, but I have no idea
 
@robjohn Hmmm... this one might be less of calculation and more of thinking.
 
@TobiasKildetoft so if n=4k, then Mod's won't work?
 
12:49 AM
@cyclochaotic well, at least not just one
there might be some way to find a suitable prime as a function of $n$, but I don't know what it would be
 
I am given $f=u+iv$ with $u,v\in C^1$ over $A=\{|z|<1\}$, $f$ continuous on $\bar A=\{|z|\leq 1\}$ and $u(x,y)=x,v(x,y)=y$ over $\{|z|=1\}$, and $J_f(z)>0$ if $z\in A$. Let $B=f(A)$. I have to show that $f$ is an open mapping, $B$ is an open disk of radius $1$ and for each $u_0+iv_0\in B$ there are but finitely many$z\in A$ such that $f(z)=u_0+iv_0$!
@robjohn
Have you faced this one before? I wanna think about it, though.
@kahen Are you there?
 
Thanks for the help all.
 
@PeterTamaroff 3 and 5 cover all cases but n=0 mod 4. 7 covers n=4, but I haven't looked further
 
@robjohn Hmmm. I am much more interested about that last thing I wrote.
 
@robjohn the prime divisors seem to vary quite a lot when $n$ is divisible by 4
 
12:58 AM
@TobiasKildetoft 3 is a factor if n is odd, and 5 is a factor if n is 2 or 3 mod 4.
 
@robjohn right, it is only the ones divisible by 4 that act strangely
 
@TobiasKildetoft ew, n=24 is just bad
 
ohh, yeah
 
Here's a table for n=4k for k=1..12
 
that makes me think the smallest prime divisor will not stay bounded
 
1:02 AM
$\begin{array}{ll}
1 & 7^1\cdot 193^1 \\
2 & 11^1\cdot 13^1\cdot 3257^1 \\
3 & 11^1\cdot 3257^1\cdot 3613^1 \\
4 & 7^1\cdot 19^1\cdot 255431947^1 \\
5 & 13^1\cdot 23^1\cdot 59^1\cdot 496837711^1 \\
6 & 24258379^1\cdot 92720869^1 \\
7 & 7^1\cdot 11^1\cdot 23^1\cdot 31^1\cdot 10496254379851^1 \\
8 & 11^1\cdot 13^1\cdot 23^1\cdot 29437^1\cdot 1524064005307^1 \\
9 & 107^1\cdot 167^1\cdot 2114140747180979779^1 \\
10 & 7^2\cdot 43^1\cdot 324743^1\cdot 14134498126437251^1 \\
11 & 13^1\cdot 47^1\cdot 52476142463^1\cdot 77219136014707^1 \\
k={-1,1} (mod 5) may always be divisible by 7
oops nevermind that
 
@cyclochaotic it would most likely be mod 6
 
IF k=3*k2-2 I get zero for mod 7
so k=1,4,7,10 etc are all divisible by 7
The one after the 7 alternates from 11 ,13,11,13, etc
 
1:18 AM
@robjohn Hmmm.... did you see my problem above?
 
@PeterTamaroff I did. I will have to think on it later when I get back from the park. Sorry
 
@robjohn Hey, no problem. Cheers.
 
leo
hey there!
 
Here's a cool link on prime free sequences.
@leo Hi
 
1:35 AM
@leo Seen my problem?
 
leo
there is theorem which says that if a continuous function $f$ defined on a region of the complex plane has a primitive $F$ then $$\int_\gamma f(z) dz$$ is 0, where $\gamma$ is a continuous closed curve. Now consider $1/z$ and $\gamma$ a circle around the origin so it's a closed curve. If you take a domain $D$ so that $\ln z$ is well defined and analytic, then $\gamma$ would be piecewise continuous and closed curve. But $$\int_\gamma \frac{dz}{z}$$ is $2\pi i$ which is very different from 0.
what's wrong?
@PeterTamaroff no, which one?
 
@leo I am given $f=u+iv$ with $u,v\in C^1$ over $A=\{|z|<1\}$, $f$ continuous on $\bar A=\{|z|\leq 1\}$ and $u(x,y)=x,v(x,y)=y$ over $\{|z|=1\}$, and $J_f(z)>0$ if $z\in A$. Let $B=f(A)$. I have to show that $f$ is an open mapping, $B$ is an open disk of radius $1$ and for each $u_0+iv_0\in B$ there are but finitely many$z\in A$ such that $f(z)=u_0+iv_0$!
 
leo
what's $J_f(z)$?
 
@leo does it not require that the closed curve is inside the domain on which the function is defined?
 
@leo The Jacobian of $f$ at $z$.
 
leo
1:47 AM
@TobiasKildetoft indeed
 
@leo and $1/z$ is not defined in such a domain
 
leo
@TobiasKildetoft but we're integrating over the curve, and it is undefined in just one point
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Are you there?
 
@leo right, but not being defined there means that you cannot apply the theorem you quoted
 
leo
I'll check the proof of the theorem
@PeterTamaroff seems involved. Did you asked it on main?
 
1:53 AM
@leo Nope.
 
leo
@PeterTamaroff does the last part is to prove that the inverse image of a point in $B$ is a finite set?
 
@leo The last part asks to show that $A\cap f^{-1}(z_0)$ is finite for each $z_0\in B$, yes.
 
leo
@PeterTamaroff it's an open mapping because is locally an homeomorphism by the inverse function theorem
?\
@PeterTamaroff exactly
 
@leo Hmm... I have theorem 13.3 which says that if $f$ is continuous and has finite partial derivatives over an open set $A$, $f$ is one one over $A$ and $J_f(x)$ doesn't vanish on $A$, then $f(A)$ is open....
So, take an open set $\Omega$ in the disk.
Since $J_f(z)>0$, the inverse function theorem says $f$ is locally one-one. But I cannot ensure that $f$ is one-one over $\Omega$ but rather, on an open set inside it.
 
leo
@PeterTamaroff Well I have a theorem (6.4) which says that if $F:W\subseteq\Bbb R^n\to \Bbb R^n$ with $W$ open and $F$ of class $C^r$ and $a\in W$ with $J_F(a)\neq 0$, then there is an open nhbd of $a$ where $F$ is a diffeomorphism of class $C^r$ (hence an homeomorphism)
 
2:02 AM
@leo Yes, that is the inverse function theorem.
Well, or the IFT on steroids.
@amWhy I am educating people!
 
Just teasing...I tend to post a lot of reminders to OP's whose records indicate they haven't (or don't know to) upvoted.
 
leo
@PeterTamaroff indeed. But you have that $f$ is of class $C^1$ in the whole open. And that the Jacobian is not zero in each of its points. So aply the theorem to each point. The image set would be an union of open sets. One for each point. Union of opens is open. Or something along those lines...
 
@amWhy Me too!
@leo Right.
 
leo
@PeterTamaroff don't see how to get that the image is a ball!
 
OMG! I did that a lot while I was a kid living in the farm.
(Useful information for the common good).
 
2:18 AM
@leo Hmmm.... guess one needs to use the conditions imposed on $\partial B$.
Over the boundary $f(z)=z$
That is $f'(z)=1$ so $J_f(z)=1$ and $J_f(z)>0$ in the interior.
@GustavoBandeira What kind of sorcery is that?
 
@PeterTamaroff Don't know, but the chicken always keep the head in the same place.
 
@Gustavo Finish that problem(or maybe understand the solution given here)? (The problem about equivalence relations and partitions).
 
@Bageer Yep. I'm on the way. (I guess).
 
@Gustavo Great!
 
@user1 Did you see the discussion above?
@leo
P Since $f$ is of class $\mathcal C^1$ over $D$ and the Jacobian doesn't vanish, for each $z\in D$ there exists an open nbhd $N_z$ such that $f\mid_{N_z}$ is a diffeomorphism of class $C_1$. Let $\Omega\subseteq D$ be open, and choose $z\in\Omega$. Then there exists $N_z$ as above. Let $\widetilde N_z=N_z\cap D$. This is open (...)
(...) and lies inside $N_z$ so its image under $f$ is open by the above. Then $f(\Omega)=\bigcup_{z\in\Omega}\widetilde N_z$ is the union of open sets, thus is open. $\blacktriangle$.
 
2:32 AM
@PeterTamaroff There seem to be many discussions above. ;)
 
@PeterTamaroff I cannot help with this though.
 
@user1 OK.
 
2:45 AM
@Bageer You're reading aluffi's chapter 0 right?
 
@leo That last line should read $f(\Omega)=\bigcup_{z\in\Omega}f\left(\widetilde N_z\right)$
 
@PeterTamaroff hey peter
 
@Ethan Helloes.
 
@PeterTamaroff what do you live for
 
@Ethan What?
 
2:48 AM
@PeterTamaroff why do you get up everyday
 
@Ethan I don't know, I'm not a biologist.
 
@PeterTamaroff not physically why
 
@Ethan What?
 
Why do you chose to live
 
@Ethan I find that question odd.
 
2:54 AM
@user1 Yes
 
@Bageer Cool, have you studied from another algebra text before, or is this your first?
 
@J.M. Helfen!
 
Yes, Peter?
 
@user1 I have studied a bit of group theory before, also a bit ring theory for a number theory project, but this will be my first time seriously going through a book.
 
Ooh, Apostol... this might take a while.
 
2:57 AM
@J.M. Heh, OK.
 
@Bageer The reason why I ask is that there are lots of critics of this approach. I am not one, but I would still like to see how smoothly it goes for you.
 
@Peter, a little help, since I don't have Apostol with me: $\bar{D}$ is the region outside the unit disk, yes?
 
@J.M. Nope, the closure. That is $\{|z|\leq 1\}$.
Let me add that!
 
@user1 Sure, I will keep you up to date. I am in chapter one starting the problems of section 4 and I think the book is excellent so far.
 
@Peter, ...and $\partial D$?
 
3:00 AM
@J.M. The boundary, $\{|z|=1\}$-
 
(I keep forgetting how Apostol can be so idiosyncratic sometimes...)
Well, proximal gave the nuclear route for 2...
 
@J.M.: hello :-)
 
Hi rob!
@Peter, Yeah, I think your solution for the first one checks out; if it's in error, it's not something obvious to me.
 
@J.M. OK.
 
3:19 AM
@PeterTamaroff If an interior point of $A$ is mapped to the boundary of $B$ what would the Jacobian of $f$ be there?
 
@robjohn The Jacobian is always positive.
 
@PeterTamaroff you did not answer my question
 
@robjohn $A$ is my disk, yes?
 
@PeterTamaroff yes, and $B=f(A)$
You have not shown that $F(A)=A$ yet, right?
 
@robjohn I have to show $f(A)$ is a open disk of radius $1$, but I haven't been asked to show it is centered at $0$ too.
 
3:24 AM
$f(\partial A)=\partial A$
 
@PeterTamaroff Well, the function is the identity within the disk, no?
 
@J.M. Over $\partial D$.
Oh...
 
@J.M. it is the identity on the boundary
 
Ah right, just the boundary. But you have continuity anyway within the disk.
 
@J.M. yes
we know it is open since the Jacobian doesn't vanish, about the only thing left for his question is to show that $f(A)=A$
for that we can use the fact that the jacobian doesn't vanish
if $f(x)\in\partial f(A)$ for some $x\in A$, what can we say about the Jacobian of $f$ at $x$?
 
3:30 AM
@robjohn Yes, the Jacobian settles it. But, did Apostol use that convenience in the parts of the book before this question? @Peter?
 
@robjohn Let me think.
Well, the Jacobian is $=1$ over the boundary.
 
@PeterTamaroff why?
 
@robjohn Because it is $$=|f'(z)|^2=1$$
Apostol proved that $J_f(z)=|f'(z)|^2$
 
@PeterTamaroff why is that?
 
@robjohn Because of the Cauchy Riemann equations.
 
3:33 AM
@PeterTamaroff where did the CR equations come into this? $f$ is not holomorphic, at least not in the version I saw
 
$f'(z)=u_x+iv_x$ for differentiable $f$
 
@PeterTamaroff yes... and?
 
Then $J_f(z)=u_xv_y-u_yv_x$
And by CR $u_x=v_y$ and $u_y=-v_x$
So it becomes $J_f(z)=u_x^2+v_x^2=|f'(z)^2|$
 
Yes, but why is it $1$?
that is what my question was pointing to
 
@robjohn Over $\partial D$, $f(z)=z$
Oh, sorry, my bad.
I misread.
 
3:36 AM
@PeterTamaroff no, I said that $f(x)\in\partial A$ but $x\in A$
 
@robjohn Yes, now I see.
 
@PeterTamaroff and $f(z)=z$ on $\partial A$ only says that the tangential derivative is 1.
 
@robjohn Aha.
 
@PeterTamaroff unless $f$ is holomorphic. Did I miss that somewhere?
 
@robjohn No, no. No fancy words from complex analysis yet.
 
3:40 AM
@PeterTamaroff is $f$ differentiable in the complex sense. Sorry, you said CR equations and those are only satisfied if the function is differentiable (holomorphic)
 
...so @Peter, did Apostol use CR in the parts before this question?
 
@J.M. A little, he did.
 
And what assumptions did Apostol mention?
 
@J.M. On what?
 
When he used CR, he should have mentioned something on why he was justified in using CR...
 
3:43 AM
@J.M. Oh, let me see.
 
C-R is not satisfied for all $f\in C^1(\mathbb{R}^2)$
 
e.g. that caveat rob just mentioned. So, there certainly are assumptions. Backtrack a bit, @Peter.
 
@J.M. Yes, here it is.
 
However, this problem does not require CR
 
"Let $u,v$ be real valued functions defined in s subset $S$ of the complex plane, and assume $u,v$ are differentiable in a point $s\in S^{\circ}$, and that their partial derivatives satisfy the CR eqns. Then $f=u+iv$ admits a derivative at $c$ and moreover $f'(c)=D_1u(c)+iD_1v(c)$."
 
3:47 AM
@robjohn It is a bit of a nuke... :D
 
@PeterTamaroff That shows that the complex derivative is well defined when the CR equations are satisfied.
@J.M. the problem is a lot more interesting when the function is not holomorphic
 
@robjohn a bit more headache-inducing, yes. :)
 
@J.M. the rest is just knowing when the Jacobian must go to 0
 
@robjohn Yes, I noted.
 
Heh. Unfortunately, I gotta go. Good luck Peter, and see you another time, rob!
 
3:55 AM
@J.M. Thank you.
 
4:05 AM
Hi, peter ... It took me a while to get in here.
 
@TedShifrin Hello.
 
So, I don't think that problem should be so bad :)
 
@TedShifrin So... what is the elementary approach to this?
 
The key is the info about the boundary.
 
@TedShifrin How so?
I'm new to this, really.
 
4:09 AM
The circle must be limits of points in $f(D)$.
New to what?
 
@TedShifrin Hmmm.... complex analysis, boundary conditions.
@TedShifrin Aha.
 
Nothing to do with complex at all in this problem!
 
/me made caramels and now he can't stop eating them
 
@TedShifrin OK, then it is just intimidating.
 
the devil, I tell you. the devil.
 
4:11 AM
LOL @Mariano
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Caramels?
 
So this is what I've missed by not chatting ...
 
I remember the time I made popcorn with caramel. I feared diabetes all week long.
But then it was OK.
 
that sort of thing
 
You offering those to us? Are you shipping?
 
4:12 AM
these are salty
which makes them extra viciuous
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Save some for me, I'll drop by on Thursday =P !!!
 
Ah! Food goodies have distracted me from the maths.
 
OK everybody should at least take through Differential Equations and Linear Algebra
 
I have to be stronger.
 
4:13 AM
this is ridiculous
 
I'm trying to explain some basic circuit stuff and I totally lost some people when I was referring to the systems as "linearly independent/dependent"
 
@TedShifrin It is so much work wrapping them that if I sold them they'd be way too expensive :-0
 
I was just writing up a system of equations. Linear.
 
Ok, Peter, back to work. It's,past my bedtime :)
 
4:14 AM
T.T
@PeterTamaroff It got worse when I quickly modeled the capacitor with a DE and just wrote the solution down...to a first order homogeneous linear DE
T.T
 
@TedShifrin Yeah, it is 1 am here.
Let's see if we can wrap this up.
 
Go for it :)
 
@TedShifrin OK...? =|
Wait.
 
Well, you agree that the boundary circle is in the closure?
 
$f(\partial D)=\partial D$. And $f(\bar D)=f(D)\cup \partial D$.
And... $\partial D\subseteq \overline{f(D)}$, yes.
I see that.
 
4:20 AM
The part that's not obvious is why there can't be an interior hole.
 
@TedShifrin Oh, OK.
 
I don't remember well enough what Apostol has in his book or previous exercises
 
@TedShifrin Oh, well. He has the following theorem.
Let $B$ be an $n$-ball, and suppose $f=(f_1,\dots,f_n)$ is continuous on $\bar B$ and all partial derivative exists if $x\in B$; while $f(x)\neq f(a)$ if $x\in\partial B$, and that $J_f(x)\neq 0$for each $x\in B$, Then $f(B)$ contains an $n$-ball with center $f(a)$.
I don't see where we ought to use the Jacobian is always positive (i.e. not only non-zero).
 
That's what gives you openness ...
 
@TedShifrin That it is positive?
 
4:29 AM
The sign on the Jacobian isn't necessary, although it is a consequence of its being everywhere nonzero and the behavior of $f on the boubdary.
 
@TedShifrin Yes, that was my question.
 
No, that theorem gives openness, but so does IFT.
Is this before or after line integrals?
 
"Suppose $A$ open in $\bf R^n$, and assume $f\in C^{1}(A)$ and $J_f(x)\neq0$ in $A$. Then $f$ is an open mapping".
@TedShifrin Before.
@TedShifrin (Apostol proves IFT with that theorem)
 
Right. I know lots of ways to prove this, but I will have to think how to do it without any topological stuff. I'll get back to you tomorrow (i.e., today). My fault for thinking it was easy ...
 
@TedShifrin Someone posted an answer.
Is it missing something?
I am off too, it is 1:30 am now.
 
4:33 AM
(3) is a standard compactness thing. Oh. I'll have to leave here to see. Good night :) check with you soon!
 
@TedShifrin No, you don't have to leave, just open a new tab =P
@TedShifrin Oh, right, $(3)$. Thanks. I will get back to you tomorrow.
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Nighty night.
 
Goodnight!
if you are thrusday at the uni, drop by
and say hi
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I hope the sugar doesn't keep you up all night! O.o
 
haha
well, that candy goes marvelously with good malbec
so that compensates :-0
 
He's thinking what iI was. I'm not convinced. I guess I need to visit Brazil!
What I was ... Typing on ipad sucks.
See you guys!
 
 
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5:49 AM
Does @Zev ever come in here?
 
 
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6:56 AM
@robjohn I did this (that is straightforward) $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\sum_{k=1}^{n}\frac{\log k}{2^n}=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\sum_{n=k}^{\infty}\frac{\log k}{2^n}=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{\log k}{2^{k-1}}$$
 
@Chris'swisesister which is essentially what I did
 
@robjohn I'm trying to find out an integral representation of the last series
 
@Chris'swisesister why?
 
@robjohn I think that I saw such a series in the past that related to a nice integral (as appearance) but I'm not sure yet if it's so. I need to check that.
I think it was a multiple integral. (again, not sure)
 
@Chris'swisesister do you think you can find a closed formula?
ISC thinks not, but that doesn't mean it is not possible
 
7:05 AM
@robjohn yes (but I might be wrong - I prefer to be optimistic)
 
@Chris'swisesister it is a PolyLog derivative
 
:-)
Yeah, sure.
 
@Chris'swisesister other than that, I doubt it is anything simpler
 
@robjohn in a way I agree with you. If I find something interesting around it then I let it you know.
No new question posted by Laila Podlesny (I'm waiting for some new entries)
Another question I thought of yesterday is $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n+1} \frac{H_n}{n^2}$$ that works nicely by integral method. However I was wondering if I can come up with some proof that only containS sums manipulation (I didn't manage to do it yet). In a more general sense, I was wondering how far one can get by only using multiple sums when manipulating Euler sums.
This one evaluates $\displaystyle \frac{5 \zeta{(3)}}{8}$.
 
7:34 AM
@Chris'swisesister Give me a bit.
 
@robjohn ok.
 
 
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11:12 AM
@JesseMadnick
 
11:48 AM
Colleagues.
 
12:17 PM
@Lord_Farin Great Lord Farin, hello! :-)
 
12:46 PM
@Chris'swisesister Hello there.
(I notice that by you calling me great, and me calling you colleague, you're probably complimenting yourself indirectly there. :P)
 
@Lord_Farin :)))))))))))))
:D
 
So how are you doing today?
 
@Lord_Farin I was asking myself if I may evaluate 2 series by a single shot: $$S_1=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k+1}}{k}$$ and $$S_2=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^k}{2k+1}$$
 
@DominicMichaelis huhu
 
12:54 PM
@Lord_Farin pretty fine except the fact that I failed to evaluate the above Euler sum by only using multisums.
 
@skull huhu
 
hello skullpatrol
hello Dominic
 
@Chris'swisesister Captivating stuff. Let me think.
Hello @Dominic.
 
@Chris'swisesister @Lord_Farin hello
 
12:56 PM
@Chris'swisesister hello wise sister
 
@skullpatrol :D
 
@Chris'swisesister :D
 
@Lord_Farin how about you? Do you still work on that thesis? Isn't it tiresome? :-)
 
@Chris'swisesister Of course. But I'm a bit bifocal these days; an exam next week demands some time as well.
And while it is tiresome, I need to work on it regardless, otherwise it'll remain being tiresome forever, and never become a source of some pride and satisfaction.
 
@Chris'swisesister You can evaluate them both as logs
 
12:59 PM
@Lord_Farin what is the thesis about?
 
@DominicMichaelis How are you doing, these days?
 
(ohh, and is it a Ph.d thesis or a masters thesis?)
 
@TobiasKildetoft An MSc. thesis about logic in Grothendieck topoi, and resulting representation theorems.
 
@Lord_Farin when I was very young, like 12, I realized that the moment when I'll finish the school and then have some free time is a kind of utopia.
 
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