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7:01 PM
@BillDubuque Thanks. I didn't know if that was something you had any experience with. I didn't want to post to meta if it was common knowledge.
I will do that now.
 
@Bill I have a question for you, not 100% mathematical but maybe related to teaching and stuff.
 
@robjohn Do you have a minute to talk about topology?
 
@MattN I can try, but I may not be able to answer your question. :-)
 
@robjohn Nice : ) Can you have a look at my deleted answer to this question and tell me if I managed to fix my first balls-up?
 
@PeterTamaroff Shoot (but if it's on-topic on MSE why not posit it there?)
 
7:11 PM
@BillDubuque Well maybe I will, but I don't know if we support a "teaching maths" tag.
Anyways
Say I want to prove this in the question (that the "infinite root" goes to 0).
I'm in university now (freshman) and another girl asked how to prove it.
I used the same criteria as I do in the question
I mean
In my answer to the question.
But the tutor simply said $\lim a^{1/n}$ = a^0 = 1$. Layed it flat like that.
What would you say about that move? Don't you think its a little lazy or something?
 
The formal justification for that step is that the exponentiation is a continuous function. @PeterTamaroff
 
@FortuonPaendrag I know, but proving that is maybe tougher than using the criteria on monotone bounded sequences.
Since the completeness of $\Bbb R$ is axiomatic, but continuity isn't
It obivously seems harder to resort to my solution, but from a mathematical point of view, the tools used are more basic, and one is proceeding with care.
 
Well, you can show that the series $e^x$ converges absolutely everywhere on $\mathbb{R}$ and continuity follows directly. Its not too bad.
 
@FortuonPaendrag Let me give you some context.
I know that, but most of the gyus in the course barely know up to derivatives, so series and absolute convergence is way out their leaegue.
 
@PeterTamaroff That's a question that is on topic for MSE. Like Arturo (see his profile), generally I cannot accept direct questions. If I did, I'd be so swamped that I could not achieve my teaching goals. Generally you'll get better more well-rounded answers by posting questions to MSE rather than by directly contacting individual members. Attempting to short-circuit that process makes the site functon less optimally.
 
7:20 PM
@BillDubuque Ok ok. I'll just chat here, maybe I'll post it later on. Thanks anyways.
 
Then why are you here in this chat room?
 
@PeterTamaroff I see. But in that case, would your proof naturally occur to them though?
 
@FortuonPaendrag I suppose not. But if they read the thoery we have, they should at least be able to be sure it is right.
 
@MattN Why is anyone here?
 
Is this an analysis class? Or just a calc class, peter?
 
7:23 PM
@JonasMeyer I thought we're here to talk about maths. Direct questions or not.
And other stuff, of course. : )
 
@MattN At the moment, because Rob pinged me.
 
I see.
 
@FortuonPaendrag It is called "Mathematical Analysis". Let me get you the pdf with the topics. I have it here.
 
@MattN Thanks, that helps.
 
@MattN Matt N. for president!
 
7:25 PM
@JonasMeyer Now I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic : ) I wasn't.
 
@MattN I am not either. :) Sorry it came across that way.
 
@FortuonPaendrag Do you know any spanish?
 
@PeterTamaroff Si, mi novia estaba de costa rica.
 
@FortuonPaendrag Ahh ok!
 
Is the document in spanish?
 
7:27 PM
Don't worry, it didn't. In chat it's just always hard to tell.
I think it's the first time I see you here though. Welcome!
 
@FortuonPaendrag Yep
That is a link to the program of the course.
 
Hey, we get free advertisement on UConn's math website: math.uconn.edu/MathLinks/mathlinks.php
 
@robjohn Are you still there?
 
@MattN Yeah, I'm very rarely here. Maybe that's why I asked the silly question above. Thanks!
 
@PeterTamaroff Did they finish Unidad 3?
 
7:30 PM
Yes, we're helfway through 4
 
@MattN I'm sorry, I am dealing with an issue on meta. bbiab
 
@robjohn LINK LINK LINK
 
@robjohn Oh sorry, I didn't mean to be impatient. Just wanted to check if you hadn't left.
 
Its exactly like my first analysis course, peter. I now see what you mean. Thanks!
 
@PeterTamaroff I thought Peter Tamaroff was a Russian name : )
 
7:33 PM
@MattN It certainly is!
 
@BillDubuque I have posted to meta, gotten a comment on physics.SE, and amended my question. We'll see what dmckee finds out.
 
@PeterTamaroff ¿Hablas español y ruso también?
 
@MattN Solo español (castellano argentino), pero me gustaría aprender ruso.
Bueno, e ingles tambien. =)
 
Evidentemente : )
Hola, Brian : )
Did you get my earlier ping?
 
@MattN Vos de donde sos? Hablas español por aprendizaje o es tu lengua materna?
 
7:38 PM
@PeterTamaroff Soy suizo. Aprendí el español hace diez años en la escuela pero no me lo recuerdo mucho. : )
It's a pity. I was nearly fluent and now I struggle to even make one sentence : , (
 
@MattN Wow. But you really can speak it!
 
@MattN Yes, just now. The answer is that a nbhd of a point $p$ is any set that contains $p$ in its interior, so if you want to talk about an open nbhd of $p$, you have to say so.
 
@PeterTamaroff No: could speak it! : )
@BrianMScott Sorry, I still don't understand. If $O$ is an open set containing $p$ then it's automatically a nbhd of $p$.
 
@MattN Bah! I'm sure that if you re read a little bit you'll get it back i no time. So you also speak french? Or german?
 
@PeterTamaroff Both. But my French is even worse than my Spanish. : )
 
7:42 PM
@MattN What is $C(X)$? It seems in your answer, you are treating it like $\mathbb{R}$.
 
@robjohn I assumed it meant continuous real-valued functions.
 
@MattN Can I see a link to the question/answer?
 
@PeterTamaroff This one.
 
@MattN When you say ‘Let $U$ be an open nbhd of $p$’, you’re specifying two things: $p\in U$, and $U$ is open. When you say ‘Let $N$ be a nbhd of $p$, you’re specifying two things, one of which is different: $p\in N$, and there is some open set $U$ such that $p\in U\subseteq N$. You’re no longer specifying that the nbhd itself is open.
 
@MattN have you been to any Euler memorial or anything? I'd go to Europe just to visit the places where all the great mathematicians have been!
 
7:43 PM
@BrianMScott I know. But what I'm asking is: why not say "open set containing $p$" instead of "open neighbourhood" because every open set is automatically a nbhd. (of course not the other way around)
 
@MattN So you say the former when you want to ensure that the nbhd is open.
@MattN Habit. Preference.
And since I habitually abbreviate neighborhood, it’s also shorter.
 
@BrianMScott I see. I don't like it. I will choose to not say nbhd when I can say set instead. Thank you! : )
 
@MattN I think that you’ll find yourself in a minority.
 
@PeterTamaroff No, it hasn't even occurred to me. : )
@BrianMScott I don't mind : )
 
@MattN AAhhhhhh why not? Europe is the cradle of modern mathematics!
 
7:47 PM
@robjohn So... it's still not right?
 
@MattN Then how do you know that $\frac{1}{2}(\frac{1}{g + u} + \frac{1}{g - u}) = \frac{g}{(g + u) (g - u)} =: c$ is a unit?
 
@robjohn $g$ is a unit and $u$ is a unit and we cannot have $g = u$. (if we have $g = u$ then the $u$ ball only contains the zero function $f=0$ but that's not a unit)
 
@MattN Now that I think about it, there is also a way of defining topogies that takes neighborhood as the primitive concept and develops open and closed sets and so on from that. In that approach open nbhd of p does come more naturally than *open set containing p$.
 
@MattN perhaps I am missing something, but $\frac1u$ and $\frac1g$ can both exist and be different, but does that prevent $g-u$ or $g+u$ from being $0$ somewhere?
 
7:51 PM
@robjohn Well $g$ and $u$ are both positive by assumption so $g+u$ can't be $0$. And $g-u$ can't be zero because if it were we'd have $g=u$ but then that wouldn't be a closed ball $B_{g,u}$ because all it could contain would be $f=0$ but that's not a unit so it would be the empty ball.
 
@MattN $g$ and $u$ are functions. They can vanish somewhere without being $0$ everywhere. Am I missing something basic here?
 
@robjohn Hm... does positive not mean $f>0$ everywhere?
 
@MattN Yes, but does it mean that $g-u$ is positive everywhere?
 
@robjohn No. :,(
@robjohn Thank you for looking! Your patience is very much appreciated : )
@BrianMScott True.
Time to watch House. See you later! And thanks robjohn & Brian!
 
 
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9:17 PM
@PeterTamaroff I think Europe is the cradle of all mathematics. : ) Gauss and Euler aren't very modern but of course there probably are many important contemporary European mathematicians. : )
 
10:06 PM
@MattN BOURGAIN.
 
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10:39 PM
@MattN Such as yourself? :-)
 

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