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7:00 AM
no, because the space is noetherian
 
No, because that would violate ACC.
 
You know what exactly.
I don't even need to use the maximality condition
because then
exactly
 
(this argument is then exactly the same as I wanted you to use :) )
 
There is an ascending chain $V_1 \subset V_{1} \cup V_2 \ldots $
 
(done with the complements)
 
7:02 AM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Like this
Out of $\{V_a\}$
I choose say $V_1$
if it covers $X$, done.
Otherwise there is an $x \in X$ not in here
that $X$ is in some $V_2$ say different from $V_1$
look at $V_1 \cup V_2$
rinse and repeat.
 
We get an ascending chain $V_1 \subset V_1 \cup V_2 \ldots...$
that stabilises
viz. $V_1 \cup V_2 \cup \ldots V_n = V_1 \cup \ldots \cup V_{n+1}$
Now we still need to prove that $X \subset V_1 \cup V_2 \cup \ldots \cup V_n$
 
you already reached a contradition
 
huh?
 
because by construction you got a strictly increasing sequence of open sets
 
7:04 AM
ok
that must eventually stabilise
 
what am I doing
 
your construction gave you a strictly increasing sequence of open sets
 
Our assumption is
 
it does not stabilize
 
7:05 AM
that for no finite not choice of elements of $\{V_a\}$ will it ever cover $X$
 
the thing is, it does not even exist, thereby showing that your hypothesis is untenable
 
so we can go on like this forever.
 
Which violates the ACC.
 
there is no need to do that
 
7:05 AM
That’s your contradiction.
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Why is there no need to do that
 
And now you have the argument in that PDF to which you linked a while back.
 
it is a direct proof
start with an open covering. construct the sequence as you described
 
well I like the contradiction one better
ok mariano if we do the direct proof
 
the squence must stop, because of ACC
therefore you get a fintie subcovering
 
7:06 AM
we still need to check that $X \subset V_1 \cup \ldots \cup V_n$
well but that is clear
 
If it weren’t, you wouldn’t have stopped!
 
because if not
 
:)
let me write it in full
 
there is $ x \in X$ not in the union on the right hand side
Hence we can choose some $V_b \in (\{V_a\} - V_1 - V_2 - \ldots V_n)$
such that $x \in V_b$
and $V_1 \cup V_2 \cup \ldots V_n \subsetneqq V_1 \cup V_2 \cup \ldots V_n \cup V_b$ which is a contradiction
that's it
 
let U be a covering and construct a (possibly finite) sequence of elements of U: let U_1 be any element of U. Suppose we have gotten to U_k. If U_1, .., U_k cover X, then stop; if not, let U_{k+1} be an element in U which is not covered by them.
If this procedure never stops, we would get an strictly increasing infinite chain, which is impossible. Therefore the construciton stops.
 
7:09 AM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Let me tell you last niht
 
in other words, we constructed a finite subcovering
this argument is does not suppose that there is no finite subcovering
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez And I checked that indeed the finite union of all those guys left must cover the whole space
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez I know.
I solved this problem using a tomahawk cruise missile
my friend did it with a pea shooter
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Let me tell you last night
 
this is not the kind of problems one solves with missiles without incurring in circularities :)
 
unless you are very very skillfull handling missiles :)
 
7:11 AM
proving that an artinian integral domain is a field
but that was another kind of problem
 
Ah, the crazy guys are here too!
 
@JonasTeuwen You saw the thread last night right?
 
What thread?
 
well I told my friend of the proof of the fact that an artinian integral domain is a field
 
Why do all these crazy things when you have Pierre!
 
7:13 AM
@JonasTeuwen He does not deal with rings.
 
Precisely.
Well, maybe he does... operator theory.
 
Well he kinda has in a way dealing with a physical one.
he's married fyi.
 
I know.
 
That problem was so trivial
 
Is she Australian?
 
7:14 AM
I don't think she is
I kinda used a tomahawk cruise missile to attack it
 
@BenjaminLim I like that approach.
 
@JonasTeuwen Sometimes I overcomplicate problems
 
Excellent!
So do I.
 
@JonasTeuwen Which approach?
 
I spent three weeks trying to prove something not necessary!
 
7:15 AM
hahahahah that's even worse than me! Now you're making me feel better.
 
Don't worry, the same thing will probably happen to you to! 8-).
 
@Ben: Here’s a complete write-up; you can use it to see how all of the gory details can be written out.
 
I'm showing a visiting professor The Hague! :-).
 
@Ben: Let $\mathscr{U}$ be an open cover of $X$. Pick $x_0\in X$ arbitrarily; there is some $U_0\in\mathscr{U}$ such that $x_0\in U_0$. Let $\mathscr{V}_0=\{U_0\}$. If $\mathscr{V}_0$ doesn’t cover $X$, pick $x_1\in X\setminus\bigcup\mathscr{V}_0$, choose $U_1\in\mathscr{U}$ such that $x_1\in U_1$, and let $\mathscr{V}_1=\mathscr{V}_0\cup\{U_1\}$.
Keep going: if $\mathscr{V}_k$ doesn’t cover $X$, pick $x_{k+1}\in X\setminus\bigcup\mathscr{V}_k$, choose $U_{k+1}\in\mathscr{U}$ such that $x_{k+1}\in U_{k+1}$, and let $\mathscr{V}_{k+1}=\mathscr{V}_k\cup\{U_{k+1}\}$.
Then $\bigcup\mathscr{V}_0\subsetneqq\bigcup\mathscr{V}_1\subsetneqq\bigcup\mathscr{V‌​}_2\subsetneqq\cdots$, so by the ACC this construction must stop at some $n\in\Bbb N$, and at that point it must be the case that $\mathscr{V}_n$ covers $X$. This $\mathscr{V}_n$ is evidently a finite subcover of $\mathscr{U}$.
(I had to split it to keep it from being too long.)
 
@BrianMScott Good... morning?
 
7:19 AM
0319.
 
That's morning, right? :D.
Depending on the perspective, if you already got up or not.
I went to bed around that time!
 
I’ve been up for about 13 hours.
 
So basically you're some kind of older student in terms of sleep/wake! 8-).
 
I’ve always been a nightowl.
 
I had a meeting with the rector yesterday after a while he was like: "You've asked too many questions already! Now it is someone else his/her turn!".
Cool, me too!
 
7:26 AM
@BrianMScott Perhaps it would be reasonable if @Ben posted this as a question and you as an answer on the main site...? (I mean, since you have already written it down and it might be useful to other users, too...)
 
@MartinSleziak Up to him; I certainly don’t object.
 
hey brian
I like the one by contradiction better.
But I think I overcomplicated the problem a little
@MartinSleziak I don't think there is much of a question to ask about anyway......
 
@BenjaminLim Matter of taste; many people feel that it’s nicer not to use contradiction when it’s unnecessary.
 
Unless I'm trying to salvage whatever approach I tried earlier.....
@BrianMScott That's what I usually go for :D :D :D
 
what is not good is to "drag a dead horse"
 
7:30 AM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez that means ...?
 
a while ago you were trying to get a contradiction after you had already constructed a finite covering
 
@BenjaminLim Contradiction? It’s often an easier way to approach the problem. But if you then find that you didn’t actually need it $-$ that your proof is really a direct proof in disguise $-$ then why not write it as such?
 
there is a foot note in a book translated by jacobson (I don't recall which) in which he observes that the author he is translating is dragging a dead horse
 
@BrianMScott yes but IMO contradiction is c00l.
 
7:32 AM
(to drag a dead horse is an expression from the age where people had horses in their carriages, by the way)
 
what does it mean
 
can you picture a carriage dragging a dead horse as it keeps going?
 
I get the meanin now
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Sometimes I overcomplicate problems too much and get into knots.....I'm trying to avoid doing this kind of stuff
 
7:34 AM
I talked to people from the former Sovjet-Union. Why are things always so different than what you hear "here"? :-).
 
last year I had a student who solved a problem in an exam like that: by midway along his solution he had gotten exactly what he wanted, and he went on and on carrying a dead horse
and managed to make such a mess that the whole thing was ruined :(
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez hahahahahahahahaha
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez really last night that problem on artinian integral domains being fields
I really used a thermonuclear weapon...
 
you keep saying that but do no tprovide details
 
ok
Suppose we have $A$ that is an Artinian integral domain
consider $A$ as a module over itself
Pick an element $a \in A$. Now consider the $A$ - module homomorphism $f : A \longrightarrow A$ that sends $x$ to $ax$
 
(A is probably commutative, I guess...)
 
7:36 AM
This map is injective because $A$ is an integral domain
yes
hence surjective by problem 6.1.(ii) AM
And hence in particular there exists $x \in A$ such that $xa = 1$
since $a$ was arbitrary we are done.
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez I overcomplicated it.
 
why is that a thermonuclear weapon?
that exercise is a basic tool
 
well because compared to the usual way of doing it, this is
 
well, a thermonuclear weapon would have been wedderburn's theorem
 
Ok this is an AK - 47 then
 
A is a direct product of simple rings
etc
 
7:39 AM
ok
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez But I really overcomplicated it......
 
the radical of that ring has to be zero, because its elements are nilpotent
no, you dd not :)
 
ok
Hey mariano
I am going for dinner now..
I'll see you in a bit.
bye man, thanks as always.
 
have a good dinner :)
 
user19161
8:25 AM
@BenjaminLim I only used the M16 before.
 
@Mariano : I have a question I am contemplating to ask on SE or MO, it sounds like this, there is a theorem to find this, hence there should also be a theorem to find this as well (by intuition and plausibility). (But i can't make any statement of the theorem, i don't know how it would sound) ? Would it be an agreeable question?
 
9:29 AM
@BrianMScott ayt?
 
user19161
@RajeshD Can you just post the exact question here first? It's hard to make any judgement like that.
 
@MattN I am now, at least for a bit.
 
9:45 AM
@Clark : the same were discussing yesterday, i was asking @jonas
He's gone
hi @Brian
 
Hullo.
What time is it for you? About 13:15?
 
10:01 AM
15:30
 
10:45 AM
@BrianMScott Now I probably missed you.
I posted a second answer to the question asking for a separable space with a basis such that there is an open set that cannot be written as a countable union of basis sets.
Take $X = \mathbb R$ and the basis consisting of all sets $\{x\} \cup (\mathbb Q \cap (x-\varepsilon, x + \varepsilon))$ for all reals $x$ and all $\varepsilon > 0$.
Then $\mathbb Q$ is a dense subspace and you can't write $\mathbb R$ as a countable union of basis sets.
@BrianMScott Is this correct? Or am I making a mistake?
Nate also posted another answer, after mine, so I assume he saw my post. And usually he posts a comment to my (wrong) answers, pointing out my mistake.
But now that I didn't get a comment I'm not sure what to think.
 
 
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12:07 PM
Hello all!

Given a matrix A and a B normal matrix, how can we prove that $BAB^{-1} = C$ is a diagonal matrix?

I've found that A is a Hermitian matrix, so this entails that it has n linearly independent eigenvectors, which gives us that A is a diagonalizable matrix.

So C is a diagonal matrix as A is a diagonalizable matrix.

Am I right?
 
Good day all :-)
@BrianMScott It is 5:10 AM here
 
Good day robjohn :-)
 
 
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1:28 PM
There is a theorem in plane geometry which says that in a right triangle, if $c$ is the hypothenuse and it is divided into parts of lengths $c_a$, $c_b$, the legs and altitude fulfill $h^2=c_ac_b$, $b^2=cc_b$ and $a^2=cc_a$.
This theorem is called Euclid's theorem (or Euclid's theorem on altitude, Eudlid's theorem on leg) in Slovak/Czech, see Wikipedia.
How is this theorem called in English?
 
1:57 PM
@MartinSleziak According to Wikipedia, just "the right triangle altitude theorem."
 
Thanks anon.
 
2:16 PM
I have this:
$$\ln(x+3)=3\ln (t+2) + \ln C'$$

$$\ln(x+3)=\ln (t+2)^3 +\ln C'$$
Then I write it as:
$$\ln(x+3)=\ln C'(t+2)^3 $$
Should it be $C'^3$?
 
No.
 
Thanks.
 
2:41 PM
Does anybody speak Russian here?
If a girl is called "Anna" and another person calls her "Anja", what does that mean?
 
I guess it's like John/Johnny.
I don't speak Russian, but I think it's similar in other Slavic languages too.
 
Okay. So a more informal thing?
 
I think so.
 
But she says "Professor..." to the guy.
I drank some coffee with her and she would be about five minutes too late for a meeting with him and she was very stressed about that.
 
2:45 PM
I would think: No problem! Five minutes are nothing!
But apparently...
@MartinSleziak Thanks!
 
3:18 PM
Hello all,

If we know that A and B matrices are similar, then the subtraction: AB - BA what would give as a result?
Would it be 0?
 
Similar in the sense that $B=PAP^{-1}$?
 
@MartinSleziak: Yes
 
I think that $\begin{pmatrix}0&1\\0&0\end{pmatrix}$ and $\begin{pmatrix}0&0\\1&0\end{pmatrix}$ could be a counterexample.
If you type this:
[[0,0],[1,0]]
into wolframalpha, you will get (among other things) Jordan form.
So you see that one of these two matrices is similar to another (it is Jordan form of the other one).
 
To rephrase my question:
I want to find out if there is a matrix $C \in R^{4x4} $, given a matrix $A \in R^{4x4} $ (A is symmetric, Hermitian) that this equation will be true: AC = CA + A

@MartinSleziak
 
And if you try this in wolframalpha
[[1,0],[0,0]]*[[0,0],[1,0]]
[[0,0],[1,0]]*[[1,0],[0,0]]
you'll find out that they do not commute.
 
3:26 PM
A professor was trying to convince me to pursue non-commutative probability theory...
It is a very cool field!
 
leo
Can someone recommend a enjoyable lecture on the Fubini's theorem and product measures?
 
What I did was: AC = CA + A => A = AC - CA
That's why I wanted to know if AB and BA matrices are similar then their subtraction would be 0..
But I've noticed that I am not sure if AC and CA matrices are similar
@MartinSleziak
 
@Chris That's not true for any matrix, I think. If A=I, then you have C=C+I.
If C is regular, then AC and CA are definitely similar.
 
@leo What do you want to know about it...?
I totally love tensoring measures.
 
Yes I know, I've thought that and also thought of C as the zero matrix, but we are being asked if there is just one matrix C, for which the equation $AC = CA + A$ will be true.
@MartinSleziak

When you say regular you mean that there is $C$ and $C^{-1}$ ?
 
3:32 PM
Yes, that's what I mean by regular.
For A=0 every C fulfills this equation.
 
leo
:-)
I'm reading the Stein & Shakarchi book, the section 3.1 of product measures and Fubini theorem.
They start with $(X_1,M_1,\mu_1)$ and $(X_2,M_2,\mu_2)$ and then considering measurable rectangles $A\times B$ with $A\in M_1$ and $B\in M_2$. They claim that the collection $\mathcal A$ of measurable rectangles is an algebra
I'm trying to parse that
 
@leo Yea, what is an algebra to you?
 
But A is given and it isn't the zero matrix.

We've thought of this:
We've proved earlier that A is similar to $BAB^{-1}$.
So let C be: $C = BAB^{-1}$
So C is similar to A.

So from this equation: $A = AC - CA$ we get:
$A = ABAB^{-1} - BAB^{-1}A$
Is that correct? Can we proceed with something like this?
@MartinSleziak
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen Non empty. Closed under finite unions and intersections. Closed under complements.
 
@leo The collection of finite disjoint unions of measurable rectangles form an algebra, but the complement of a rectangle is usuaully not a rectangle.
 
3:39 PM
@leo You must think about them as rectangles. You know why? Usually we consider the Borel $\sigma$-algebra.
And Borel $\sigma$-algebras are generated by nice things. And that is all you need to know.
Say intervals, so you could think about rectangles. Then think if it makes sense.
@MichaelGreinecker Tell me if I'm talking bullshit please 8-).
 
@But why should C be similar to A?
 
(of course, then you still need to pour it in a formal proof, but using that analogy, that should not be too hard)
 
If A is given, your question is basically a system of linear equation. (The coefficients of $C$ are the unkowns.)
Although there should be an easier solution than solving a linear system in 16 variables...
 
@MartinSleziak:

We assume that, let C be: $C = BAB^{-1}$
What can be said about the result of $ABAB^{-1}$ ?
Yes I don't think that we have to sovle such a linear system..
 
So you are told that you should look for a splution which is similar to A?
 
leo
3:44 PM
@JonasTeuwen Sorry. My mistake. $\mathcal A$ is the collection of disjoint unions of measurable rectangles. They claim that the complement of a measurable rectangle is the disjoint union of 3 such rectangles while the union of two measurable rectangles is the disjoint union of at most six such rectangles
 
Oh, that is a geometric thingie.
You can easily see that if you draw them.
 
@MartinSleziak: Well, we are being asked to check if there is a C matrix with AC = CA + A..
 
And you are given the matrix A.
 
@leo: $(A\times B)^C=A^C\times B\cup A\times B^C\cup A^C\times B^C$
 
leo
@MichaelGreinecker I see
 
3:48 PM
Yes the matrix A is:
\begin{pmatrix}7+a&2&3&3+a\\2&7&7&11\\3&7&7&2\\3+a&12&2&11\end{pmatrix}
@MartinSleziak
 
$\begin{pmatrix}7+a&2&3&3+a\\2&7&7&11\\3&7&7&2\\3+a&12&2&11\end{pmatrix}$
I've already seen this matrix at MSE (or was it here in chat)?
 
It was here in the chat
@MartinSleziak
 
MSE = math.stackexchange.com
 
Yes I thought it, that's why I erased my question :P
So what do you think?
Could you think of a way to solve this? @MartinSleziak
 
Isn't there a mistake? You said that the matrix is symmetric...
 
3:53 PM
Oops sorry
The matrix is:
\begin{pmatrix}7+a&2&3&3+a\\2&7&7&11\\3&7&7&2\\3+a&11&2&11\end{pmatrix}
 
We could look at trace
We have $\operatorname{Tr}(AC)=\operatorname{Tr}(CA)$.
I.e $\operatorname{Tr}(AC-CA)=0$.
This gives that $\operatorname{Tr}(A)=0$.
So there is only one possible value of $a$, such that matrix $C$ can exist.
This simplifies the problem a little bit (hopefully).
We get $7+a+7+7+11=0$.
So $a=-38$.
 
render
 
Of course, $a=32$, my mistake.
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen draw things helps a lot
 
@leo I know, I have suggested that to you, right?
 
4:02 PM
Ok, I was hoping we will get some matrix with nice eigenvalues, but it seems that this is not the case.
 
leo
@JonasTeuwen that's why I say that. Thanks
 
@MartinSleziak: And I was happy we were getting somewhere :/ It seemed right..
Then what else can be done? :S
@MartinSleziak: Do you think I should post this at MSE?
 
Probably the best way to go...
 
@MartinSleziak: Will do that, thank you for your time!!
 
You're welcome. I hope someone will help you with your question.
 
4:11 PM
@leo @JonasTeuwen I don't get why the union of two measurable rectagles is the disjoint union of at most $6$ measurable rectangles. It seem to me like at most $3$ are needed: $(A_1\times B_1)\cup (A_2\times B_2)=(A_1\times B_1)\cup (A_2\backslash A_1\times B_2)\cup(A_1\cap A_2\times B_2\backslash B_1)$.
 
@MichaelGreinecker Yes, but the six is a very bad upper bound.
Three works I think, yes.
 
relieved
 
Even if you don't pay attention very well, the three should be ... obvious.
 
Of course, but Stein&Shakarchi actually write about at most six disjoint rectangles being needed. And these authors seem to have a very geometric viewpoint.
 
@MichaelGreinecker They are harmonic analysts. So that explains it a bit.
 
4:18 PM
@JonasTeuwen: Is that some kind of self-depreciating humor, is there a deeper point?
 
@MichaelGreinecker Yes, standard harmonic analysis is very geometric.
Many arguments are some covering arguments using cubes.
 
See for example the Calderón–Zygmund lemma.
(Zygmund was the advisor of Elias Stein)
 
The name Zygmund sounds familar. I think there is a book on integration by Zygmund&wheeden. This is the only chat where I actually learn something.
 
But you can probably understand my comment now seeing that lemma? :-).
I think that is the same Zygmund, yes.
 
4:27 PM
I can.
 
Is what I did there legal?
 
@Moshe If it is above 16 it is.
 
If what is above 16? I am totally confused.
 
The age.
 
What does 16 have to do with anything?
 
4:38 PM
A bad joke.
You forgot the parenthesis.
 
Ah, haha. Now I get it.
Where?
 
But that's not the result which you will get. The last line does not follow from the one before that!
 
Ah, ok.
 
4:50 PM
I need some help solving this one.
(sec, uploading picture)
Find an equation of the line going through the point 5,3 and perpendicular to the line 2x-8y+4=0.
I've simplified and graphed the line, but how do I get the perpendicular one?
 
Ask it on our main site.
 
Ok.
I have an iPhone with me, don't want to take out my laptop for fear of becoming overly distracted.
 
5:05 PM
a normal vector can be obtained by rotating the original line's direction vector by 90 degrees either way
so (a,b) would become (-b,a) for example
 
Ok, and how do i find the y-intercept?
 
what about it?
 
(edited)
 
Of the perpendicular line?
Hmm. Are you familiar with vectors at all?
 
Yes
No. This is Precalculus, algebra and trig.
 
5:09 PM
bah, I don't feel like explaining it low-tech :/
 
Mkay.
 
leo
Given a line $y=mx+b$ any line perpendicular to this one is of the form $y=-\frac{1}{m}x+c$
 
Hi Moshe
 
special measures need to be taken if m=0 ofc ;)
 
Wdym?
 
5:16 PM
if m=0, the line is y=b. you can't plug m=0 into "y=(-1/m)x+c" because that's division by zero. instead the perpendicular form will be x=c.
 
leo
in that case any line of the form $\{(c,y):y\in\mathbb R\}$ works
 
equation of a line of slope $m$ and passing through a point $(x_1,y_1)$ is $(y-y_1) = m(x-x_1)$. Now you have $(x_1,y_1)$ given. It has been given that the line is perpendicular to another line. Which means the slope of your line is the negative of the reciprocal of the slope of the other line. Hope this helps
 
leo
see you guys
 
bye @leo
and Ha slope of a line $ax+by+c = 0$ is $\frac{-a}{b}$
@Moshe : let me know if you still have any problem
 
Thanks folks, bbiab.
 
5:29 PM
It's been a long time since any of my answers has gone a bit viral, but for me this one seems to be taking off. :-)
 
@robjohn Looks very good.
 
@JonasTeuwen It's sort of like a 2 dimensional intro to differential forms.
 
@robjohn Ye, very cool.
 
5:47 PM
@robjohn Up voted!
 
@Jonas: why did you ping me on FB?
 
@Ilya Oh, just wanted to talk to you. Is it annoying?
 
nope, just wondering what's up. What do you want to talk about?
 
Nothing in particular. Let's go there.
 
sure
 
6:03 PM
@PeterTamaroff Thanks :-)
 
6:47 PM
I need moaar fibers for my bundle!
 
@robjohn, that's a very nice answer.
If I understood the mathematics behind it, I could probably have a deeper opinion.
 
@Jonas: Replace your base with a fibrant replacement!
 
7:05 PM
@ZhenLin Done!
 
@N3buchadnezzar Yes we know that you like to eat testicles freshly cut from the deer...
 
Oh, its our national day today =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Congratulations. Why do you sound so sober?
National days in NL are usually a reason for people to get really drunk.
 
Coffee. Instant coffee
 
7:14 PM
Don't troll me bro.
 
We usually just celebrate really hard with flags and such, we get drunk on 16th of may. 17th is kind of a sacred day to us, sort of ish.
 
@Limitless Thanks :-)
@N3buchadnezzar That's a lot of flags!
 
8:08 PM
This is odd. Out of 6 answers, all perfectly fine, mine was the only not to receive a downvote, and for no apparent reason. I feel framed..
I forgot downvoting answers takes away rep. So it's publicly verifiable none of the individuals in the thread did any of the downvoting.
 
8:23 PM
@anon I have given you the requested downvote.
 
Oh, thanks :P I never said anything about a request, though...
Though now my rep is 0 modulo 5. All works out it the end.
 
@anon Hm. Why would someone do that?
@anon I think it's good for yours to have a downvote so that the others don't think that you did it.
 
Originally I thought "oh, someone always downvotes BillD, and Vadim got twice the upvotes as Mark even though their answers were the same and Mark was first, so that explains Vadim's downvote." But then I saw MT's comment and looked at all the other answers. I really don't see why they would downvote any of them, let alone more strangely all but mine.
 
All my recent posts have been downvoted -- each once.
 
user19161
@anon Sometimes good answers get downvoted because they are too deep for the downvoter to understand.
 
user19161
8:34 PM
@ymar Do you suspect it is the same person?
 
I do.
I flagged the first portion of the downvotes and the posts were undownvoted. Do moderators do such things or must the downvoter do it?
(The flag was deemed helpful)
 
user19161
@ymar Downvoters cannot retract downvotes unless the post has been edited after the downvote. If there are many downvotes within a short period they may be detected and removed silently by the system. In other cases, human intervention is needed.
 
@ClarkKent Thanks. And can the intervening humans see who did the downvoting?
 
user19161
@ymar Well, some SE staff can see who cast which votes. Mods can't but you can flag for their attention or raise a meta post.
 
Well, I already did flag the first four downvotes, but three more have come about since.
OK, perhaps it's a good idea to post on meta. I'll try that.
 

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