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12:00 PM
You know, you could just have shown me the set $S = (-1,1), (-1/2,1/2), (-1/3,1/3) . . .$ for a counterexample to the "finite intersections" thing, @Balarka. (For when you get back.)
 
I'm trying to show that the function $$exp(X) = \displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{X^k}{k!}$$ is Frechet differentiable at every $X \in \mathbb{R}^{n \times n}$
I tried to begin by calculating the increment $f(X+v)-f(X)$
This is equal to $\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(X+v)^k-X^k}{k!}$
But if I expand the first bracket, the expression I would end up with as the derivative isn't what I would have thought the derivative would be ($exp(X)v$)
Can anyone give me a hint on how to proceed?
Oh no, wait. I only want the terms linear in $v$, so that does work I think.
Which norm would be best to use in this case?
To show that this is in fact the Frechet derivative?
 
12:22 PM
@DanielFischer Would you be able to help me with this?
 
@user112495 Be careful. If $X$ and $v$ don't commute, it's more complicated.
 
@DanielFischer Oh yeah, so would it be $exp(X)v+vexp(X)$?
 
@user112495 Worse. Look at $(X+v)^4 - X^4$ or so to see how it goes.
 
@DanielFischer hello, have you an idea about this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1300862/equality-and-infimum
 
@Vrouvrou Not directly, I would have to think about it, and that's the sort of stuff I don't like thinking about.
 
12:34 PM
@DanielFischer Oh, so in that case we would have $dX^4v = X^3v+X^2vX + XvX^2 + vX^3$

Does that mean that $(X+v)^k-X^k = \sum_{j=0}^{k-1} X^{k-j-1}vX^j$?
 
I can't stop laughing. Look at this guy's profile.
@AlexC ^
 
@user112495 Well, the part linear in $v$, but that's the one we're interested in.
 
@DanielFischer Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant :p.
 
Hi :)
Could you take a look at my question?
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Q: How do we deduce that the initial value problem has always a unique solution?

evindaTheorem - General solution of $y''+p(x)y'+q(x)y=0, x \in I (\star)$ Let $y_1, y_2$ be linearly independent solutions of $(\star)$ in an interval $I$. Then if $y$ is a solution of $(\star)$ in $I$, there are $c_1, c_2 \in \mathbb{R}$ such that $y(x)= c_1 y_1(x)+ c_2 y_2(x), x \in I$. For the pr...

 
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@SohamChowdhury Lmao the knot theory got dark
 
12:38 PM
@SohamChowdhury just another troll
he forgot something ..... satan knows how to come with good conter-examples and well argumented , such antithesis caused him been chased away heaven's university without any certificate :D
 
Thanks to whoever it is that supported the Sage Proposal at Area 51 by giving some more votes on some of the example questions :)
 
@anon this s my axample about the last conversation
what do u think about it ?
 
1:04 PM
@SohamChowdhury sure, I thought you weren't asking for a counterexample.
a better example would be the cantor set.
 
1:19 PM
@BalarkaSen what's a padic metric?
 
@Rememberme $p$-adic, not padic
 
Oh lol. I was wondering what "padic" was
 
Oh forgot to put that dash :p
Hello@TobiasKildetoft
Hello@Hippalectryon
 
@Rememberme Hi
 
Well@Tobias what's a p-adic metric
 
1:34 PM
@Rememberme see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-adic_order (near the end)
 
@Rememberme o/
 
Nice I just proved it is a metric
Okay so what is the importance of the p adic metric ?
 
@Rememberme That it can be used to make the $p$-adic reals
 
p - adic reals what are they?
 
@Rememberme They are constructed like you construct the reals from Cauchy sequences of rationals, but now using this new metric rather than the old one to determine which sequences are Cauchy
 
1:50 PM
Ahh...
 
@Rememberme They play an important role in algebraic number theory
 
@Hippalectryon $$\int_0^1 \frac{\log^7(1+x)\log(1-x)}{x} \ dx$$
 
@Chris'ssis Those integrals are way beyond me
 
@TobiasKildetoft Ups, I put you there by mistake
 
@Chris'ssis Is that $7$ just a personal choice ? Or does it serve a special purpose ?
 
2:02 PM
@Hippalectryon It's not at random there.
 
2:19 PM
We know that $e^x= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{x^n}{n!}$.
How can we find the function to which $\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{x^{2n}}{(2n)!}$ converges?
 
@evinda Is that double $x^{2n}$ on purpose ?
 
@Hippalectryon No, I changed it...
 
@evinda urm well
@evinda You know taylor series right ?
 
@Hippalectryon Yes, I do...
 
@evinda What does this one remind you of ?
 
2:27 PM
$e^x$ or not? @Hippalectryon
 
@evinda Indeed. What's the difference ?
 
@Hippalectryon We just consider the multiples of 2.
 
So, we just take the even terms, right ?
 
Exactly @Hippalectryon
 
Do you know by any chance a function that's the even part of $e^x$ ? :P
 
2:31 PM
@Hippalectryon You mean a function that contains $e^{2x}$ ?
 
No, no. Don't you know hyperbolic functions ?
$\tanh$ & co ?
 
@Hippalectryon $\coshx=\frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}$, $\sinhx=\frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}$
 
@evinda Yep ! $\cosh$ is the even part of $e^x$ and $\sinh$ is its odd part :D
That applies for any function btw ($\frac{f(x)+f(-x)}{2}$ and $\frac{f(x)-f(-x)}{2}$)
 
@Hippalectryon A ok... I didn't know that we call them like that... Thank you :)
 
2:34 PM
@evinda I don't know if that's an official name, that's just what they really are. Any function can be decomposed in an even and an off function
 
@Hippalectryon A ok...
 
@evinda Now you can guess $\sum_\mathbb{N}\frac{x^{2k+1}}{(2k+1)!}$ :-)
 
@Hippalectryon $\sinhx$
 
@evinda :D
 
@Hippalectryon :)
 
2:38 PM
@Chris'ssis nice :-) not really the same style, but check youtube.com/watch?v=yt81nLfNEAs
 
@Hippalectryon hehe, nice! This summons the warrior within myself. :-))))))))
 
@Chris'ssis is back to slay dragons
 
@Hippalectryon lollllll. You know what? No matter my mood, I didn't stop slaying them. :D
 
Book or riot >:c
 
@Hippalectryon When I'm down, I crawl myself, even dead if I were, and keep going to my objective. :-)
@Hippalectryon my research in the last days is definitely delightful.
 
2:51 PM
Isn't it that way everyday ? :D
 
@Hippalectryon :D
BBL (out to buy some food for my pets)
 
3:05 PM
Hey, @Balarka. I just got back.
Armstrong-er latest ed is difficult to find on Flipkart and online.
 
Don't read armstrong right now.
It's an algebraic topology book.
 
Yeah. I got a copy. It's very different.
Starts with Euler's polyhedron thingies (which are sooo cool, btw)
But the pdf is weird, so I got rid of it.
 
right. most of algebraic topology has cool, understandable results, but if you don't know the basic point-set stuff, you can't do anything with it.
 
Right.
Tell me, will Simmons part 1 + quotient topology from somewhere else cover all my prereqs?
 
wait a sec, I am trying to answer a question.
 
3:08 PM
Simmons is quite comfortable to work with, after Aluffi's "the reader is invited to check this" spiel every few pages. (which are sometimes fun)
Okay, I'll wait.
Ping me when you're done.
 
can somebody help here
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Q: How we can find $A_{(\Gamma_f)}$?

LucasWe have $f,g:[-4,4]\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$, $f(x)=x^2+2$ and $g(x)=x+4$. We need to find the crowd area between the graphs f and g. I know that $A_{(\Gamma_f)}=\int_a^b|f(x)|dx$ but in this case how we can find $A_{(\Gamma_f)}$ ? I think we need to find x (commune abscissa) and it involving that...

 
hello, please: if i have that $\Sigma=\{u\in W^{1,p}_0, ||u||^p=1\}$ can i say that $$\inf_{u\in W^{1,p}_0\setminus\{0\}}\left(\frac{||u||^p}{||u||_{L^{p^*}}}\right)=\inf_{u\in \Sigma}\left(\frac{1}{||u||_{L^{p^*}}}\right)$$
 
@Lucas What the crowd area ? (compared to the area)
@Lucas And what is $A_{(\Gamma f)}$ ? I saw your definition, but why would it be of any use here ?
 
@Lucas Basically you want the area of $g-f$ between $-1$ and $2$ right ?
Why don't you just do that ? :D
 
3:19 PM
hippa
is my first time when I meet something like it
and I don't know that it is similar with g-f
hahahahaha
 
Ok, don't hesitate to tell me if you don't get what I say :-)
We want the area between $f$ and $g$. As you noticed, it's between $x=-1$ and $x=2$.
 
hippa?
indeed you've right in my book we have to calculate
|g-f|
can you explain why?
why is $g-f$ and not $f-g$ ?
 
Oh. Is your area signed ? I took $g-f$ because it was positive, assuming that you wanted a positive area
(since $g$ is above $f$ between $-1$ and $2$)
 
$|g-f| = |f-g|$ generally
 
desmos.com/calculator/pbx8ed0tmm a graph always helps visualize things :-) @Lucas
 
3:22 PM
hippa I want to mean, how you figure out that g>f?
 
You can also do it mathematically of course. $f-g=x^2-x-4$, it's a second degree polynomial with a positive leading coefficient so it's negative between its two roots
 
@Hippalectryon the graph always betrayed me
 
@Lucas Is that clear ?
 
honestly, no
 
What part ?
 
3:26 PM
$f=x^2+2$ and $g=x+4$ and between f and g, $g>f$ but don't understand why...
 
Ok so if you do $f-g$, you get $x^2-x-4$ right ?
 
I get $x^2-x-2$
 
@Lucas :c my bad, you're right. $x^2-x-2$
 
okay and now
what is the difference
 
That's a second order polynomial with a positive leading coefficient
So it's positive outside its roots and negative inside
 
3:29 PM
between |x^2-x-2|=|-x^2+x+2| ?
 
There's none. $|a|=|-a|$
 
don't matter if we calculate $\int (x^2-x-2)$ ?
 
Well, you'll get a negative integral. It doesn't matter unless you specifically want a positive area.
 
I think | f-g | needs a positive area
therefore |f-g|=g-f
 
Indeed
 
3:34 PM
but hippa
don't understand how the author realize that g>f
 
5 mins ago, by Hippalectryon
That's a second order polynomial with a positive leading coefficient
5 mins ago, by Hippalectryon
So it's positive outside its roots and negative inside
Right ?
 
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Q: Find two linearly independent solutions of the differential equation $(3x-1)^2 y''+(9x-3)y'-9y=0 \text{ for } x> \frac{1}{3}$

evindaI want to find two linearly independent solutions of the differential equation $$(3x-1)^2 y''+(9x-3)y'-9y=0 \text{ for } x> \frac{1}{3}$$ Previously I have seen that the following holds for the differential equation $y''+ \frac{1}{x}y'-\frac{1}{x^2}y=0, x>0$: We are looking for solutions of t...

Could you take a look at the edit?
 
hippa
you've right
it is negative between [-1,2]
 
Thus $f-g<0$ on $[-1,2]$, so $g>f$
 
yes I understand :D
 
3:38 PM
:D
 
thanks hippa
@Vrouvrou can you delete your answer to delete the post?
please ?
:)
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Q: How we can find $A_{(\Gamma_f)}$?

LucasWe have $f,g:[-4,4]\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$, $f(x)=x^2+2$ and $g(x)=x+4$. We need to find the crowd area between the graphs f and g. I know that $A_{(\Gamma_f)}=\int_a^b|f(x)|dx$ but in this case how we can find $A_{(\Gamma_f)}$ ? I think we need to find x (commune abscissa) and it involving that...

 
@Lucas Why do you want to delete the post ?
@Lucas The best thing would be that you answer your own question :-) that way if someone has the kind of problem and find your question, he'll get help too
 
okay
 
@TedShifrin I think grad L should be your F. the BH is the Jacobian of the gradient of the Lagrangian. So that should correspond to your $\frac{\partial \mathbf{F}}{\partial \mathbf{y}}$ but isn't grad L a function of only $n+1$ variables?
 
i just want to help but no problem i delete it
 
3:50 PM
thanks vrouvrou
@Hippalectryon it is important how we put the limit of integration? I mean if we write $\int_{-1}{2}$ or $\int_{2}{-1}$
 
@Lucas $\int_a$ doesn't mean anything. Bound come in pairs, like $\int_a^b$
 
There does exist notation to have $\int_{E}$ where $E$ is a set overwhich integration will take place
 
contour?
 
be it a surface, a contour, or arbitrary set in general
 
@Lucas But my answer is correct, and you don't delet your question
 
3:55 PM
so $\int_{-1}^2\neq \int_2^{-1}$
 
@JMoravitz Uh sure but I'd rather not talk about that since he's new to integrals it would seem :P
 
@Lucas Why do you want to delete the post ?
@Lucas The best thing would be that you answer your own question :-) that way if someone has the kind of problem and find your question, he'll get help too
 
@Lucas Indeed. Those two are opposite.
 
vrouvrou write again your answer
 
Can someone give me an answer: if i have that $\Sigma=\{u\in W^{1,p}_0, ||u||^p=1\}$ can i say that $$\inf_{u\in W^{1,p}_0\setminus\{0\}}\left(\frac{||u||^p}{||u||_{L^{p^*}}}\right)=\inf_{u\in \Sigma}\left(\frac{1}{||u||_{L^{p^*}}}\right)$$
 
3:57 PM
@Vrouvrou What's $W_a^{b,c}$ ?
 
The Sobolev space $W^{1,p}_0$
 
can you write something like this, just to be a nuisance?
$$\sum_{-\infty}^{\infty}f = \int_{\mathbb{Z}}f$$
 
Oh :c I can't help then, sorry @Vrouvrou
 
@Hippalectryon but it has no relation with the space
@Lucas i don't have time to play
 
@MickLH technically yes... though the measure you are integrating with respect to wont be the usual lebesgue measure
if you tried integrating that w.r.t. the lebesgue measure, it would equal zero (since $\mathbb{Z}$ is a set of measure zero)
 
4:07 PM
Can someone help me please ?
 
your notation is going to need the measure inclused somehow, as you point out
and then we already have standard notation; for let $(A,\mu)$ be a measure space; then we can take $\int_A fd\mu)
 
Could you take a look at my question?
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Q: Legendre Differential Equation, $y_1,y_2$ linearly independent solutions

evinda$$(1-x^2)y''-2xy'+p(p+1)y=0, p \in \mathbb{R} \text{ constant } \\ -1 < x<1$$ At the interval $(-1,1)$ the above differential equation can be written equivalently $$y''+p(x)y'+q(x)y=0, -1<x<1 \text{ where } \\p(x)=\frac{-2x}{1-x^2} \\ q(x)= \frac{p(p+1)}{1-x^2}$$ $p,q$ can be written as power...

 
4:45 PM
Hey@SohamChowdhury you done with first topic of Simmons with exercises?
 
Hello.
If I have a one-dimensional vectorspace, V, and an operator, on it, T, then doesn't (T/V) have infinitely many eigenvalues?
 
@MikeMiller let $C_n(X)$ be the group of formal $\mathbf Z$-linear combinations of maps from manifolds onto $X$. define the boundary maps $C_n(X) \to C_{n-1}(X)$ by mapping $M \to X$ to $\partial M \to X$. we get a chain complex, as boundaries are compact.
can't we realize bordism groups as homology of this chain complex?
I guess we get back standard unoriented bordism if we consider coefficients in $\mathbb F_2$
 
Okay, just read the chat guidelines. Apologies for the off-topic question before giving a heads up.
 
5:00 PM
@imu96 It is not really a problem, there is not active conversion, so it is not really off topic
 
@PaulPlummer Hmmm... True. I wasn't really sure what constituted as active. There are messages every few minutes so the message was just to be on the safe side...
 
What does $T/V$ mean? Identify points that are equal under the operator?
 
$T/V$ means the operator on V/V as shown on page 7 of this pdf:
So (T/V) (v + V) = Tv + V
 
Well under most definitions of eigenvalues, they are only defined for nonzero eigenvectors but in the quotient space $V/V$ only contains the zero vector. Note that the same problem would occure even in just $V$ if we considered "eigenvalues" of the 0 vector @imu96
(and normally eigenvectors are defined to be non zero too)
 
Okay... I think I'm starting to get it... Thanks.
 
5:14 PM
So basically there are no eigenvalues
 
Right. Okay.
So because for all v, $ v+V = 0+V$, $v+V$ is always considered to be the zero vector.
Okay, that actually makes a lot of sense. I was being stupid. Thanks.
 
Yes. And even just above page 7 it says that there are at most $\dim V$ eigenvalues, and $V/V$ is zero dimentional
 
Yeah, I know. That's what got me thinking that it was strang.
*strange.
 
(I wonder if that is an American thing)
 
I went to schools using the British curriculum, and we did it there. (Although we didn't call it that)
Okay, so in the same pdf on page 12, in problem 35, they ask us to show that if $\lambda$ is an eigenvalue of $T/U$ then it is an eigenvalue of $T$ where $U$ is a subspace of a finite dimensional vectorspace, $V$
What I have so far is: if $\lambda$ is an eigenvalue then there exists $v \in V$ such that $(T/U) (v+U) = Tv + U = \lambda v + U \biconditional Tv - \lambda v \in U$
$\Rightarrow (T - \lambda I)u \in U$
Since I want to show that $ \lambda$ is an eigenvalue, I need to show that $T - \lambda I)v = 0$ for some nonzero $v$.
Problem 36 hints at the fact that it has to do with $V$ being of finite dimension, but I don't really see what this would have to do with anything.
I was trying to do this problem with induction on the dimension of V, but didn't really make any progress with that.
 
5:56 PM
@SohamChowdhury sorry, i completely forgot after answering that question. no, definitely that's not enough.
 
hi balarka
 
have you seen the response to the mapping cone question?
 
nope
 
do you wanna check it out?
 
6:08 PM
i am looking right at it
it seems ok
 
what i dont understand is
how is excision applied to that triple to give the isomorphism of homologies?
 
what do you not get, in particular?
 
what is being excised? the cone point?
 
yeah.
$Cf - \{x_0\} \simeq M_f$
and $CX - \{x_0\} \simeq X \times I$
 
6:14 PM
@BalarkaSen So that list isn't accurate? Or does Simmons part 1 + quotient topology not cover everything on that list?
Just tell me what you feel is required, if that's the case.
 
I think you should know a lot of topology.
 
What does "a lot" entail?
(So basically the list is inaccurate?)
 
what are you studying today balarka?
 
hm
what are you guys talking about
hi @SohamChowdhury @BalarkaSen
 
6:25 PM
@SohamChowdhury i am not gonna bother listing. you have to do major chapters of Munkres at some point of time.
 
So the list is incomplete?
 
Chapters 2-4?
 
no, no, just first few chapters won't do.
 
Part 2 too?
 
6:27 PM
not part 2. you need chapter 5 and 6 in munkres too
 
what list are you guys talking about ?
 
@iwriteonbananas nothing much, just computed fundamental group of wacky linear groups.
bracing up to do multivariable analysis
 
@BalarkaSen 1-6 is enough then?
 
yes, almost.
 
What else do I need?
 
6:29 PM
nothing else in particular.
you do need algebra, though
 
Yes, that.
 
@BalarkaSen cool. btw, do you think daniel meant to write $(\mbox{cone}(f),CX)$ instead of $(\mbox{cone}(f),x_0)$?
 
I'm going to do all of Aluffi anyhow, however long that takes me.
 
is that munkrees or what
 
But how much is enough to get started with Hatcher?
 
6:30 PM
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mportant for algebraic
topology. Good sources for this concept are the textbooks [A
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I expect, by the time I get to Munkres' chapter 6, I'll have done the first five of Aluffi.
@PaulPlummer Yes, I've seen that.
 
I answered something, but it turned out that there are better answers I didn't know. oh well.
 
actually I remember when I was doing haar measure
 
at least I got to learn something.
 
I needed to read first 3 chapter of munkrees
not bad at all
but that is I had knowledge in algebra and analysis
 
6:33 PM
I'm confused, @BalarkaSen, why did you say that Amitesh's answer was accurate yesterday?
 
@DanielFischer I got a question for you none of my peers or teachers can answer
 
@LeGrandDODOM Aha?
 
if $A$ and $B$ are homotopy equivalent, does $H_n(X,A) \approx H_n(X,B)$?
i guess so
 
@DanielFischer let $f:\mathbb R^n\to \mathbb R$ with $n\geq 2$ be an injective and closed map. Prove that $f$ is not surjective
 
@LeGrandDODOM $f^{-1} \colon f(\mathbb{R}^n) \to \mathbb{R}^n$ is a continuous bijection. If $f$ were surjective, we'd have a homeomorphism between $\mathbb{R}$ and $\mathbb{R}^n$.
 
6:40 PM
Night, guys.
 
good bye
 
@DanielFischer: What's a nice parabolic PDE?
 
@MikeMiller Heat equation?
 
I've heard that there's a parabolic regularity highly analagous to elliptic. Is this true, and what are some interesting statements that depend on it?
Oh, that's a nice equation.
 
@DanielFischer Oops. I got the wrong statement (how did you get the continuity of $f^{-1}$ anyway ?) The correct one is " let $f:\mathbb R^n\to \mathbb R$ with $n\geq 2$ be a continuous closed map. Prove that $f$ is not surjective". Since $f$ need not be injective, one cannot resort to some homeo-argument
 
6:44 PM
@MikeMiller Don't ask me about PDEs, I have fortunately forgotten almost all of the little I once knew. But yes, there are some regularity theorems for parabolic PDEs. You could ask Slim (Yes, Behaviour, ...), he is into PDEs.
 
He's Slim now?
 
@MikeMiller Shog9 reserved the right to refer to him as Slim/Ol' Slim, to avoid the issues with the name changes.
 
If he reserved the right, aren't you infringing?
 
@MikeMiller Go tell Shog.
 
I'm not that passionate about rights infringement.
Anyway, appreciate the input. Thanks.
 
6:49 PM
@LeGrandDODOM The closedness of an injective map gives the continuity of the inverse, since $g\colon X \to Y$ is continuous if and only if $g^{-1}(F)$ is closed for all closed $F\subset Y$. Now $(f^{-1})^{-1}(F) = f(F)$ is closed in $\mathbb{R}$ by assumption, hence a fortiori in the subspace $f(\mathbb{R}^n)$. Okay, the new one is harder, let me think about it a bit. But I have some moderation to do first.
 
7:16 PM
@iwriteonbananas yeah, use the long exact sequence of a triple
@SohamChowdhury I don't think Amitesh's answer was just what you said.
there was Tietze extension theorem, Uryshon lemma, and Tychonoff in there too, which aren't in chapter 1 - 4 of Munkres.
 
7:39 PM
Hello. Someone there who can help me (an algebra question)
 
@DanielFischer please if i have that $\Sigma=\{u\in W^{1,p}_0, ||u||^p=1\}$ can i sauy that $$\inf_{u\in W^{1,p}_0\setminus\{0\}}\left(\frac{||u||^p}{||u||_{L^{p^*}}}\right)=\inf_{u\in \Sigma}\left(\frac{1}{||u||_{L^{p^*}}}\right)$$
 
@Vrouvrou If $\lVert u\rVert^p$ is the norm of $u$ then yes, but if it's the $p$-th power of the norm, then only for $p = 1$. Since the infimum would not be interesting if the latter was the case and $p \neq 1$, it's probably the former. Then you have the equality by the homogeneity of norms.
 
@DanielFischer i don't understand
 
What is the inverse limit of $\{(1+p\mathbb Z_p)/(1+p^n\mathbb Z_p\}$ ??
 
on $\Sigma$ i have that ||u||^p =1 @DanielFischer
 
7:47 PM
@Vrouvrou What is $\lVert u\rVert^p$?
 
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heh
 
lol
hello, @anon, btw.
d'you have any interesting algebraic topology problem(/s) in mind? the problems in the main do not seem to be of my tastes.
 
@BalarkaSen what's the name for a covering map that doesn't factor into multiple covering maps composed?
 
no idea about a general name, but there are lots of examples of those
(you're excluding identity map from the composition, I presume?)
 
anyway, if you draw one copy of S^1 above S^1 for each z->z^p, then copy this diagram infinitely, then take the inverse limit you get R x Z^hat mod Z, equivalently A_Q mod Q
 
7:54 PM
yeah, solenoids
they are cool stuff
 
one could ask what happens if one does the same thing with other things besides S^1, maybe other lie groups in particular
 
well, you can do this with arbitrary riemann surfaces and it's branched covers
they're called solenoidal riemann surfaces
 
nice. does sl_2 turn into something interesting?
 
@anon not sure if you've ever though about it : standard p-adic solenoids inherit a natural action of $\mathbf Z_p$ from monodromy. can you do the same with something like a solenoidal algebraic variety to get it to inherit a natural action of Gal(\bar Q/Q)?
@anon interesting : no idea.
@anon erm, no, that doesn't work. $\varprojlim S^1$ with bonding maps being $z \mapsto z^p$ at each level spits a Z_p-bundle over S^1 at you.
 
@BalarkaSen spits a Z_p bundle over S^1 for which p?
 
7:59 PM
you're thinking about inverse limit of all the covers, in which case it's adeles over Q mod Q.
 

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