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9:08 PM
i walk a little bit until you brought me this guy
 
9:29 PM
someone's comment on one of Ted's lectures :P
 
@Sha There's a guy who's obsessed with Ted
He comments on like everyone one of his videos
 
oh really?
he lives on a different planet though :P
maybe they don't have multivariate calculus there
 
No, I mean.
Wait, let me find him
 
Robert Wilson III?
 
Yeah...
 
9:32 PM
lol
I think I'm getting what you mean XD
 
he kicked a rubberducky, not my friend if you ask me
unless he proves me otherwise...
 
I'm pretty sure that's just @Ted being narcissic to be honest @ShaVuklia @MeowMix
 
:P
 
Good lord...
 
what @Dami?
 
9:47 PM
This Robert Wilson guy..
 
Oh LOL
 
@ShaVuklia "If a matrix A is nonsingular, then this matrix is inivertible." Important indeed...
 
10:04 PM
Um, gee, thanks @Astyx ... Grr. ... Yeah, it's a bit embarrassing.
@Meow: Did you ping me earlier? I'm still in the middle of cooking/cleaning.
 
@Meow: wild @Ted!
 
@Meow
 
ROFL @Fargle
 
@Ted Sorry, are you busy?
 
Overkill
 
10:04 PM
We were told to ping him. >_>
 
Because I have my answer
 
I don't like being overkilled by evil Demonark.
What answer?
 
To why $(V^\perp)^\perp$ is the closure of $V$
 
Oh. Cool.
Have you first proved the lemma that $V^\perp$ is always closed?
 
i think so
 
10:06 PM
I'm more worried about why $V$ is dense.
 
It's good to worry @MikeM.
 
Sorry, I didn't expect you. I am in the middle of a word game
May I explain in a bit?
 
Well, I will be gone. But maybe another time. I am busy here with 10 people coming over for hours of food.
 
Alright. See you then and have a nice dinner :)
 
OK.
 
10:07 PM
I suspect a lot of people could comment on your answer.
 
@Meow Do explain to me, I've done this in my most recent pset :P
As well as what @Mike said lmao
 
explain what?
I'm in the middle of a word game, sorry.
 
LOL ... I resign as Zach's professor.
 
No @Ted we're just subbing
 
Go right ahead!
 
10:08 PM
welcome mr ted
did you brush your teeth today?
 
Soon I will not be able to follow up with Zach because he'll prob learn integration before me
 
A vicious vampire??! Oy. Isn't Trump enough?
 
and when was your last date?
 
Word game is over because I done f'ed up
So now I can explain
 
LOL
 
10:09 PM
@Daminark You don't know integration?
 
Ehh...
Like I know it in and out in $\mathbb{R}$
 
He means Chapters 7 and 8 ... multivariable and manifolds.
 
Oh. :P
 
For $\mathbb{R}^n$, I kinda know what's going on
 
Here's my explanation
 
10:10 PM
I know that there's this Fubini's theorem which you use to do anything ever, which I'll learn by Lebesgue integration before Riemann :/
 
Well, Lesbesgue is the stronger theorem, but I still do a weak Riemann case in my book/course.
It suffices for most mortals.
 
trump was enough, but I see too many sick people, they have to be cured instantaniously
 
I also know that a function is Riemann integrable iff the set of discontinuities is Lebesgue measure 0. And I can kinda see how you'd prove it, just partition around it and the function is continuous everywhere else
 
The reason all the limit points are in $V^\perp$ is because of the continuity of our inner product
If one of the limit points wasn't in $V^\perp$, then it would still have an inner product of 0 cuz continuity, and therefore contradiction
 
It's harder than that, Demonark. It's a hard exercise in my book.
Zach: Eschew unneeded proofs by contradiction.
 
10:13 PM
:D
 
:P
 
OK, so $V^\perp$ is closed. Indeed $S^\perp$ is closed for any subset $S$.
 
sorry, i can't follow you Master
 
@Ted Darn...
 
OK, Zach. So go on. Why is $V^{\perp\perp}$ the smallest closed subspace containing $V$?
 
10:15 PM
Because it contains only $V$ and its limit points
And nothing else.
 
Have you shown the nothing else?
 
Hello Professor Emeritus Ted Shifrin
 
Wow ... it's mr eyeglasses!
 
how are you
 
It's something to do with the fact that it's not "close" to any of the points in $V$
 
10:18 PM
Doing ok, thanks ... it's good to see you!
 
@MeowMix That's not an argument, and you know it.
 
I know, I'm just thinking about it.
 
@MikeM: In fairness, he has to work on learning a little bit of analysis/topology/rigorous calculus. That's in the works.
 
Uhh
 
Sure, I just want to start with the rigor. I want to see an argument I would give full credit :)
 
10:20 PM
Glad you're grading, not me :P
 
I guess you're as mean as me.
 
Well, 40+ years more experience at being mean.
Hmm, maybe not quite +.
 
See normally I'd want to functional analysis this problem in just a few lines but... Must. Resist.
 
@Dami is close to pulling an Akiva.
 
LOL, I was just thinking that.
 
10:22 PM
@Daminark This is before you have any high-powered tools, though. You just need to use your teeth.
 
Does that mean spoilers?
 
Demonarks, vampires ... this place is getting dangerous.
 
yes
 
And lol @Mike I'm pretty accustomed to invoking OP machinery. Really early last quarter Soug got sidetracked and proved that if a function's derivative was in $L^p$, the function itself was Hölder-continuous with exponent $\frac{1}{p}$. I used that to prove that a $C^1$ function was Lipschitz in a compact set
 
you look a little whiter than usual
 
10:24 PM
Pretty much a cannon to kill a gnat, Demonark.
 
@Daminark Sure. I'm just saying good luck with something so fundamental.
 
Heyo.
 
Hi @Krijn.
 
Though I don't find that a particularly absurd proof. The argument is clear enough, I think.
 
Yeah, at least it's not using solvability of $S_{1,2,3,4}$ to prove every algebra question... :P
 
10:26 PM
Heyyyyy
I remember that
 
Are you only working in $\Bbb R$?
 
OK, back to work for me.
 
Me?
 
Later Ted
Time to misbehave
 
:D
 
10:28 PM
Yeah I only know like, 5 theorems in complex analysis
The proofs of 2 of them
 
Yeah, @Daminark, I mean as opposed to $\Bbb R^n$. It changes how hard I have to think.
 
@Daminark can u prove Cauchy integral formula and Liouville using fourier analysis
 
Nope, I don't really know Fourier much. I know how to prove Cauchy integral theorem and C-R equations
 
did you guys have fourier series in your functional analysis class
 
Nope, we only had 4 weeks on functional analysis
 
10:32 PM
that's kool
 
We started with some stuff on hyperplanes and functionals, then spent some time on the dual of $\ell^p$, the big 3 theorems, Hilbert spaces, spectra, and spectral theorem for compact operators
The first half of the quarter was just random stuff
Polar decomposition and spectral theorem in finite dimensions, FTA, differential forms in the plane, ODEs, and a bit on submanifolds of $\mathbb{R}^n$
 
I am hungry
 
do u drink blood
 
So could you please get over here and feed me?
 
10:41 PM
yes
 
@Alucard This'll help
 
I drink at the moment Sangrita
it's red, so...
 
Hey folks, does anyone have a special method of writing fraktur letters by hand? Every way I tried to write down e.g. the lie algebra \mathfrak{g} to a lie Group G was ugly and/or really slow.
 
I think german mathematicians never write fraktur in that script on the board. They use a different script whose name I always forget. I usually stylize Lie algebras as a lowercase g, where the end of the g curls back through the vertical part.
An especially curly lowercase g.
 
10:48 PM
fourier analysis on lie algebras
 
Ehh, I have quite a lot of experience with fraktur by hand
Although handwritten fraktur is indeed different from typeset fraktur
 
@MikeMiller Not using Fraktur feels too much like cheating ;)
 
I can upload a handwritten $\mathfrak{g}$ if you want
 
That's what I mean, @Krijn, it looks very different.
 
@MikeMiller Still fraktur though
 
Sort of like that, but that's extremely cursive
 
It's mostly how Paul Balmer writes his fraktur here.
 
It took me way too long to get handwritten $\mathfrak{p}$ down
 
@Krijn That would be sweet!
@MikeMiller I see your Point, but that's effectively just the difference between typeset and handwritten font, the same way nobody would write down a g like the little Google-g with serifs and all those complicated arcs
 
Yes, but the handwritten font doesn't look like what you're referring to.
 
10:55 PM
$\Bbb R^n$
Oh snap
 
@MikeMiller Hm, I see. What a pity, I kind of hoped to find that the art of reproducing fraktur by hand in high-speed would have been over-engineered to perfection by some people here ;)
 
I've always been writing \mathbb{R}^n
 
Yeah, Bbb has saved my life here.
 
\mathbb is the one the TeX editors want you to use.
 
Though when I write in LaTeX, I use mathbb to suppress warnings.
 
10:56 PM
Am I the only person who writes $\mathbf{R}^{n}$
 
 
I was actually a bit surprised when I first saw you write it in bold
 
@Luke
 
I always use boldface when I type, I only use black board bold when I'm at the black board
 
@Krijn Interesting, that wasn't the script I was referring to. Certainly not how Paul writes mathfrak g.
 
10:58 PM
Ehhhh, my source is a very old prof
 
@Krijn Interesting variations, thanks!
 
So, might just be how he writes it
Or it might be the script that Germans use on the board, they are close enough to where I study to have infiltrated our bases...
 
Oh so that's what it means...
I just knew that if I wanted to TeX the fancy looking R that denoted the real numbers, you used mathbb{R}
Not sure what it stood for
 
@Krijn I think it's probably that
 
I think it's originally because doing actual bold face on black board uses too much chalk @Daminark
 
11:01 PM
Yeah that makes sense actually
 
@Krijn It has significant differences to the usual handwritten font, in this case mostly a hook/sharp edge. (src: Am German)
 
i forgot my key to my room again, has somebody an idea where to look after it? please
 
I just hate the way mathbb looks texed. I think boldface is so much more uniform looking
 
Lol I often was very annoyed at having to type so much, and it was a long time before I realized that custom commands were a thing
 
@Daminark Oh, you sweet summer child
 
11:08 PM
Now I've just grown habituated to typing everything out anyway
Lolol
 
my list of custom commands is usually longer than my documents are lol
 
@Eric Create your own package, much easier
 
@Daminark I use sharelatex, which is very generous about code completion. "\mb <enter>" gets me \mathbb if I've used it already.
 
I also use sharelatex
 
@Eric How do you prepare such a list? I usually come up with the best custom commands when the lecture is over…
 
11:09 PM
I have never considered this @Krijn, will do this since I have some free time
 
Everyone gets on me because they're all like "online compilers are the devil!!!!!!", but it was the first thing I found so I just rolled with it
 
@Luke whenever I think come up with a custom command that might be useful I just add it to the preamble of all my templates
 
@Daminark good stuff
 
@Eric If there's no time conflict, do you think you'd be possibly sitting in on Lawler's class to see how the probability goes?
 
oh im going at least to the first few classes in case the dept blocks me from taking Neves' riemannian geo class
Even though I got permission from the man himself
 
11:16 PM
Oh that's still not a done deal? Damn
How about the reading course?
 
oh that's taken care of, just have to pick up the form from admin
 
Nice
 
I can see the math dept being finnicky about letting me jump into sequences, but I do have a signed note from Neves, so hopefully that's enough
 
$\nabla_c(-2x^TDc+c^Tc)=0\rightarrow c=D^Tx$, can someone explain it to me how to obtain the second equality?
 
somewhere in my room is the key, i can't take it anymore, it's the smell :D
 
11:19 PM
I do know they let someone who did algebraic geometry with Farb first quarter hop directly into second quarter of algebra, but I imagine that's because it doesn't rely on rep theory as much. Still, if Neves thinks you're in good shape then you are
Hey @Ted!
 
Rehi, Demonark
 
Wow, Benson's teaching AG now?
 
Undergrad
 
he teaches an undergrad course in it every couple years I think
 
Ah, fair enough. His research has dipped in that direction lately but I still find that surprising.
 
11:22 PM
I taught probability and applied math, @MikeM ... at the undergraduate level. What's wrong with being slightly out of field?
 
my very first interaction with the man was him reprimanding me for not having taken the class, and then he went off on a really wide tangent about algebraic geometry that I didn't understand
 
Nori has taught basically every course under the sun
 
he's an interesting character
 
Chicago's got a lot of very good people in the field who could do it, that's all
I had dinner with him at a conference a few years ago. He's a lot of fun.
 
he's very bouncy
 
11:24 PM
He did this one talk, invariance of non-topological invariants or smth, I liked his style
At math club
 
LOL "very bouncy"
 
What about?
 
Demonark: I think it would be insanely boring just to teach courses in one's area. Algebraists at UGA were generally like that (other than calculus). I couldn't stand it.
 
I think it was divided into three parts, a part about poincare-hopf, a part about gauss-bonnet, and I have no idea what the third part was.
 
It was about these three important theorems in geotop. One I think was about Euler Characteristic, I forget the second, and the third I think had something to do with Gauss-Bonnet somehow
 
11:27 PM
Morse theory would fit in there naturally. I've done talks with those three things.
 
@Ted Yeah I'd prob like variety... Algebraic and curricular
 
wait @Daminark, didn't i send out notes on the talk
check your email, I don't have access to those notes atm
 
Aight
Got them
Euler's theorem, Poincare-Hopf, and Gauss-Bonnet
 
Ah, OK, how could he omit Morse theory, though?!
 
maybe cause he wanted to be very general audience
 
11:37 PM
@Daminark heh
 
well, for surfaces it's no more technical to describe Morse indices than indices of a vector field :P
Max/min/saddle ... done.
 
that is true
I want to learn more morse theory. I got a bit when I took the undergrad diff top class at chicago but it was honestly the coolest thing in that class
by a long shot
 
@Ted When you say Morse theory do you mean Poincare-Hopf or do you mean handlebody decompositions?
 
I actually never had time to discuss Morse theory (other than defining Morse functions, differently from G&P) when I taught undergrad diff top. There just isn't time for everything.
I meant seeing different handlebody decompositions from the different Morse indices ... but not a big difference from Poincaré-Hopf, admittedly.
 
What was a Morse function to you?
 
11:39 PM
I didn't belabor details for an undergrad talk. I guess I did emphasize P-H more ...
 
Ok, sure. I think the handlebody picture is infinitely slick and needs more teaching.
 
I mean, I didn't do anything hyper-rigorous ... just lots of pictures.
And I loved tying it into curvature and Gauss-Bonnet.
 
Sounds rigorous to me
 
@Balarka! To bed with you!
 
I woke up at the wrong hour. Gonna go back to bed in a minute.
 
11:41 PM
I should do a talk on classification of surfaces.
 
Via Morse theory or via cutting and pasting?
 
Probably something related to how he did it for triangulable surfaces in his blog.
 
@Eric How do you anticipate Neves will run difftop? Will we get some morse theory as well?
 
I dunno, just guessing
 
Demonark: It's hard to do much rigorous with Morse theory without some singular homology. So it really doesn't fit the G&P type course much.
But I hate G&P's definition of Morse. I did it the right way. :P
 
11:43 PM
@Daminark idk, classes start in like a couple days so you'll find out
 
That's true
 
My professor for the class he'll be taking just assumed everyone already knew algebraic topology lol
 
@TedShifrin I think G-P's one is fine. I mean, as a section of the double tangent bundle it's slick but...
 
Look at it this way. Whatever he teaches, it'll be infinitely better than health care and tax reform.
 
that's setting a low bar
 
11:44 PM
No double tangent bundle, @Balarka. Good grief.
Not "infinitely better." :P
I just said that the gradient is transverse to the zero section. So all the transversality theorems apply. Much more conceptual.
(If I had had $T^*M$ I could have done $df$ instead. But I hadn't.)
 
Oh, I see. I forgot your definition :P
 
You always forget me.
 
Yeah
 
OK, I have to get back to setting up for my dinner. G'night, @Balarka. Bye, all.
 
@Ted I like three proofs: one via handle swapping (it's so trivial!), one via uniformization and Fuchsian groups, and one via prime decomposition ideas.
I don't know anywhere the last one is written down, though surely it's well known.
 
11:47 PM
@Eric Oh god... Yeah good thing Neves is only assuming multi
 
Pretty sophisticated for an undergrad math club, @MikeM, but I'd like it.
 
See you @Ted!
 
Bubye.
 
good night folks
 
@TedShifrin Well, ok, gradient transverse to zero section means the Hessian (derivative of gradient) condition near the critical points (where the gradient is zero). So, yeah.
GP and Milnor does everything near a chart on the critical points I think
 
11:55 PM
See you @Alucard!
Hey @Steamy!
 
ohi
 
How's it going?
 
Okay, I guess
Finally some time to do research, after weeks filled with organising a trip
And you?
 

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