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4:01 PM
@TedShifrin If done right, the ideas are the same. But sure.
 
@TedShifrin It can't possibly be 0 mod 2, otherwise the map would extend to whole of the ball $B$, right? So it has to be 1 mod 2.
 
Um, no. Check your logic.
@arctic: Holy cow, Tern, you just posted a book.
 
yeah...
 
@arctictern Is the problem not that your definition of composition is wrong? Qiaochu commented on your previous question that it's not a fiber product, it's a homotopy limit, or something.
 
hmm, lemme go back and check that
probably
 
4:08 PM
I don't actually know what a homotopy pullback of groupoids is, so this is out of my league.
 
now have to figure out what a homotopy limit is
 
Something to do while your gums heal, @arctic :) I hope you're feeling better, btw.
 
yep, am
 
I'm glad.
Going to the pharmacy to get drugs. BBIAB.
 
@TedShifrin Well, if the map between spheres is degree 0, then it extends to a ball.
 
4:10 PM
Why?
 
Ah, I have to work actual degree, not degree mod 2 to say that.
 
But still, why?
 
Hopf degree theorem. Same degree implies homotopic, so degree zero implies nullhomotopic, hence map extends to a ball.
 
Right, the Hopf degree theorem you totally went ahead and proved at this point in the book...
 
Oh, it's much simpler. I can make $B$ as small as I want around the zero, so small as to make it fit inside a chart inside $W$. Then $f : B - p \to \Bbb R^n - f(p)$ becomes a degree 1 map.
No wait, nobody said $f$ is a local diffeomorphism near $p$.
No, I did pick a regular value in the range of $f$. Near that $f$ is a local diffeo.
That doesn't mean anything though.
 
4:26 PM
hi chat
 
I feel like I am being really stupid. I need a break.
 
take a break, work on physics :>
 
Oh blah, $0$ was a regular value of $f$ in the exercise. Grr. I was right.
@MikeMiller So obviously $f$ is a local diffeomorphism on the zero $p$ of $f$, like I said, and you can make $B$ as small as you want around $0$ to fit it inside a chart, and since $f$ is identity on that chart, $f : B - p \to \Bbb R^n - 0$ has degree 0.
(also, ping to @TedShifrin)
If I have zeroes $p_1, \cdots, p_n$ in general, I can pick small balls $B_1, \cdots, B_n$ around them and do the same argument: $W - \cup B_i$ is a cobordism between $\partial W$ and $\cup \partial B_i$ so $f/|f|$, defined inside that, has the same degree on both ends. $f/|f|$ has degree one on each of $B_i$, so sum of those mod 2 is precisely the degree of $f/|f|$ on $\partial W$, i.e., $n$ mod 2.
This should indeed be true without any mod 2 restriction because any orientation on $W - \cup B_i$ induces the same orientation on the boundary component $\partial B_i$'s. So, at least homologically, the topological degrees are the same.
Hi @iwriteonbananas
 
4:54 PM
@BalarkaSen Hi, how's it goin?
 
Well, doing math.
How about you.
@Semiclassical I wish I understood what the operators representing momentum, energy etc mean in QM.
 
Me too. Well now I am reading the chat from today
Pretty exhausted right now
 
yeah, that's fair @balarka
I'll admit, I've gotten so used to just using them that I don't even think about it anymore
 
@iwriteonbananas No exciting drama today, sorry :)
 
"this is the game, and here are its rules"
 
4:58 PM
Man that ping scared me
had my volume up all the way
What a douche-move by you, @BalarkaSen
 
I always keep it on mute for that reason.
 
i mean, even if you don't worry about what they mean, you can still think it's interesting to consider what the (self-adjoint!) operators $i\partial_t$ and $-i\partial_x$ do
i should say, formally self-adjoint. i know there's some stuff in that direction which one shouldn't be careless about
 
I mean I know how they come up from a formal point of view. But I do not claim to understand the time dependent Schroedinger equation tho
 
5:01 PM
sure.
i mean, if I had to justify it, I'd proceed like so
 
time independent one, I more or less understand because that's a sort of generalization of the wave equation. how does one get to the time dependent one from the time independent one? no idea
 
First, from the wave equation, one 'should have' solutions of the form $\psi(x,t)\sim e^{i (k x-\omega t)}$
And for light, at least, one further has the identifications $p=\hbar k$ and $E=\hbar\omega$
 
um. wave equation doesn't really depend on time, so why the $t$ in the exponent there?
 
so that becomes $\psi(x,t)\sim e^{i(px-Et)/\hbar}$
travelling wave
 
5:05 PM
and, uh, the wave equation certainly depends on time
 
oh, whoops, i mean position.
 
ah. but the wave equation depends on both
 
i should have objected about the "x"
 
huh. my version of wave equation was $\partial^2 f/\partial t^2 = k^2 f$.
 
5:08 PM
that's the position-independent version
 
right.
 
you get it by separation of variables
anyways
if you take that seriously, then the way momentum and energy emerge from the wave function are as eigenvalues
 
right
 
namely, $i\hbar \partial_t \psi = E\psi$ and $-i\hbar \partial_x \psi = p \psi$
now, suppose you use those to 'define' the energy and momentum operators
 
I thought about this before but I forgot what I did:
How do we know $H_5(K(\pi_4 S^3,4); \Bbb Z)$ is finite?
 
5:11 PM
Dude.
 
@Balarka: Your proof is basically correct. I don't like the sloppiness of saying $f$ is the identity on a chart. You'd have to change coordinates both places, and that alters the unit sphere in $\Bbb R^n$. It's easy enough to fix this.
 
Of course 4th homology is just $\pi_4S^3$
 
Heya bananas!!
 
then the idea is that you use these same identifications for all particles, not just photons
 
Woah TED!!
 
5:12 PM
@TedShifrin Right, sorry about being sloppy.
 
What's your favourite spice girl?
 
@Balarka: Don't change charts. Just use local diffeo.
 
and then if you say that the total energy $E$ 'should be' the kinetic energy $p^2/2m$ plus a potential energy $V(x)$
 
Bananas, if that was directed to me, I don't do spice girls :P
 
Pft, you think you're better than us?
 
5:13 PM
then you get the time-independent Schrodinger equation: $\hat{E}\Psi = (\frac{\hat{p}^2}{2m}+V(x))\Psi$
 
@Semiclassical then you get the QM hamiltonian, yes.
 
Ted, I wanna know why $\operatorname{hom}(H_5(K(\pi_4 S^3,4); \Bbb Z), \Bbb Z)$ is zero
 
right.
 
Why is $H_5(K(\pi_4 S^3,4); \Bbb Z)$ finite again?
 
now, there's quite a bit of hand-waving in there
but as I said, i don't think a lot about how to justify these things. i tend to just use 'em
 
5:14 PM
@iwriteonbananas Us? Speak for yourself.
 
I heard a Spice Girls song playing in a coffee shop a day or so ago. My brain kind've broke a bit.
the one about friends versus lovers. i don't want to think about it too much or i'll get it in my head
and, uh, NOOOOO
 
I would marry any one of the spice girls
 
some taste you have. no wonder you fiddle with all those pi_164 S^37 all day long
 
i think they're in their early forties now
 
5:16 PM
Spice girls are like wine, they only get better as they get older
 
@Semiclassical i get the impression that's what most people in physics do from the books i looked
 
yeah.
 
funny how it all works out in the end
 
part of the reason I don't worry about it so much is that Schrodinger's equation is ultimately an expression of nonrelativistic quantum mechanics
 
@iwriteonbananas I'm definitely not the right person for such questions. Send me your differential geometry and complex geometry questions :P
 
5:19 PM
Ok :(
 
@iwriteonbananas I dunno about spice girls, but that applies to me as well :D
 
What's a manifold?
@TedShifrin Oh yeah, I couldn't agree more!
 
It's a thing that takes your exhaust from your engine to your exhaust pipe in your car.
 
so while one can definitely ask questions about the assumptions which underpin and motivate the Schrodinger equation, ultimately it's not going to be an absolute physical truth
 
you know, i feel like that in most of this quantum business. a spinning electron around the nucleus would spiral into the center, and suddenly bohr comes in and says no, it won't, let's take that as an axiom. huh? that clearly contradicts everything everyone did before. but, yeah, funny how it all worked out.
 
5:20 PM
@Huy: How did your oral exams go? (For when you show up.)
 
i'd put it a little differently: it's not that he predicted it wouldn't spiral in, it's that the entire story doesn't make sense if you allow that to happen
and given that it doesn't, you end up taking that as a given
 
right, yeah
 
albeit a very strange given
 
true.
 
@Balarka: So that's a pretty cool way to count roots in higher dimensions, isn't it? (Plus you can fix it all so there's no mod 2, as you already understand.)
 
5:22 PM
But I always hesitate when it comes to such statements anyways, because it makes certain assumptions about how the history actually happened.
 
@TedShifrin Yup.
 
@Balarka: If you ever get back to it, that's the essential part of the induction argument to prove Borsuk-Ulam.
 
And a lot of those stories end up being at best simplifications and at worst just not really correct.
 
I got the ball idea from your stuff in chapter 8 by the way (before you mentioned it, i'd like to say ;)), not from contour ideas in complex analysis.
 
That's the way you prove Cauchy Integral Formula, Residue Formula, Argument Principle ... everything. It's all Gauss's Law in physics, too. :)
 
5:23 PM
Plus there's just the simple fact that there's a difference between how one uses QM, and how one interprets it. The latter is a huge can of worms.
 
no worms today, please, @Semiclassic. They'll upset my stomach.
 
I tend to think of Ampere's law as being the more direct analogue to the Cauchy Integral Formula, though only because of 2D versus 3D.
But it's all just Stokes's theorem anyways
 
Same difference. I'm referring to the arguments that prove Gauss's law. We're always putting a little ball around the charge (or mass, for gravitation).
 
5:25 PM
right
 
It's a totally general argument that works in any dimension, as Balarka now sees.
 
right right
 
@TedShifrin Right, I recently relearned some complex analysis.
Which, speaking of, the great new realization for me was that Cauchy-Riemann equation precisely tells that $f(z) dz$ is a closed holomorphic 1-form.
 
@Balarka: It all goes much nicer with forms if you realize that a smooth form $f(z)dz$ is closed if and only if $f$ is holomorphic. I am not sure how much of the complex analysis overview lecture ended up on video. I think I did more of it last spring (which wasn't when the video was made).
 
i.e., the real and imaginary parts (which are also Hodge duals) are closed.
Jinx
 
5:27 PM
You slightly misspoke there.
 
@BalarkaSen hence why my favorite version of the CR equations is just $\frac{\partial f}{\partial \overline{z}}=0$
 
No, what you just said isn't right.
Agreed, Semiclassic. I always teach/taught students about $\partial$ and $\bar\partial$.
 
@Semiclassical $\bar \partial f=0$ using the Dolbeault operator :)
 
0celo, so you're up to the Dolbeault complex and the Dolbeault Isomorphism Theorems already? :P
 
5:29 PM
which means one has the rather hilarious (if oversimplified) slogan: A function $f(z)$ has a complex derivative if it depends on $z$ alone.
 
@TedShifrin I learned things backwards...
 
@TedShifrin Um, write $f = u + iv$. Then $f(z)dz = (u + iv)(dx + idy) = (udx - v dy) + i(udy + v dx)$, and C-R tells the real and imaginary parts are closed, no?
 
@Semiclassic, for real analytic $f$ it makes perfect sense :P
 
heh, good point
 
I'm quibbling with "closed holomorphic" 1-form. Read the sentence I wrote.
 
5:31 PM
Which makes certain typical CR problems kind've silly. No point in going to the CR equations if you've got $f$ being a real analytic function of $z$ to begin with
 
It is in fact a holomorphic form if and only if it is closed, but that's pretty much definition.
 
Oh.
 
have to crawl before one can walk, of course.
 
I'm not moving at all anymore, @Semiclassic. See y'all later.
 
Sorry about that, I made up that term. Whoops.
 
5:31 PM
later, @ted
 
Bubyes.
 
Cheers
 
@iwriteonbananas So, what's new?
 
@BalarkaSen You know, Lee might agree with you
He calls his diff geo book "Smooth Manifolds"
Jack Lee not Jeff Lee
 
Tell me about your spectral sequences and homotopy theory shit.
@0celo7 Agree on what?
 
5:33 PM
I should read the preface, he might explain why he named the book that
@BalarkaSen What "geometry" is
 
Spectral sequences are great. Homotopy theory is fun. Recently learned about Brown representability theorem
 
Although his Riem. geo book is just "Riemannian Manifolds"
 
@iwriteonbananas old joke:
 
@iwriteonbananas Oh, yeah, that one is pretty cool
 
Did you hear about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac?
He stayed up every night wondering if there really was a dog
 
5:34 PM
I think I'm numbers dyslexic
I can't read numbers correctly
 
Somehow I've had a shit load of errands to run lately....just annoying things I need to sort out. That's had an effect on my productivity.
 
It's a big problem when schoolwork math involves numbers
 
@Semiclassical lol
 
I was on a horrible state for a couple weeks
didn't get any math done
so I sympathize
 
this week's been pretty terrible as far as feeling rested has gone
i mean, it's usually not that great, but this week has been on the worse end
 
Huy
5:36 PM
@TedShifrin I'll tell you in a bit, just arrived home from the exams and I'm extremely exhausted and need food and beer.
 
I spent about 6 hours yesterday existing...not sure what I did in that time.
 
didn't you die?
 
I was pretty sick, yeah.
I took meds on an empty stomach
 
Yikes, not good.
 
5:39 PM
I forgot them at breakfast
And din't get back until after class at 3
So I took them
Regretted it
 
Glad to know you're better, @0celo7.
 
one of the meds i take at this point is the kind where, if i miss them in the morning, i notice it in a few hours and the symptoms suck
 
@Semiclassical Well, I've taken it before on an empty stomach
 
i mean, i can take them at that point and not have it be completely terrible. but it definitely is a pain even then
 
But maybe there was always something left in there
But it was totally empty yesterday
 
5:41 PM
yeah
even eating a small snack might've helped
 
That's what I did
Pop tart
But the damage was done
 
ahh. not sure that's substantial enough, yeah
 
well, 2 pop tarts
one pack
I was supposed to read a section in GP yesterday but didn't...
 
One of the reasons I hate hard-core medicines, e.g., antibiotics.
 
Yes, it's an antibiotic
 
5:44 PM
I should get some schoolwork done, meanwhile.
 
where are things in physics right now?
 
Slow. But I'm doing Newtonian stuff and circular motion stuff.
 
ah
circular motion tends to be a stumbling block for people, mostly due to the whole centripetal acceleration thing
 
Pulleys inside lifts sitting on pulleys, on a roller coaster ride...
... compute the tension. :|
 
5:47 PM
@BalarkaSen I'm doing trusses now
6 unknowns at each joint weeee
 
main thing I tend to focus on in circular motion stuff is the wording: centripetal acceleration, not centripetal force
 
yike
@Semiclassical Uh-huh
 
@0celo7 I presume that ultimately becomes some system of linear equations?
 
@Semiclassical Yup
 
a pain to write out and a pain to solve by hand, then
straightforward but tedious
 
5:49 PM
Yes
It's an engineering physics class
 
right.
 
morning
 
I'm currently looking at some of the properties of the Fermi Dirac distribution, given by $f(x) = \frac{1}{e^{(x-a)/b}+1}$. It has some (well, a lot of) significance in physics, but that is not my main reason of interest. What I am wondering about is the following: it is basically a smooth step function, starting at 1 and ending at 0. The parameter a sets where the function takes on the value 0.5, and b determines how steep the step is. But is there a way to quantify this steepness?
 
compute the first derivative at $x=a$
 
What I mean more concretely is, given a certain b, can you determine for which x f(x) is approximately still equal to 1, and for which x it is 0. I know that this is a bit too vague, but perhaps you understand what I am thinking of. Vague in the sense that 0.999 is close to 1, but so is 0.99999, and so is 0.99, depending on who you ask
 
5:59 PM
if $x<a$, then the exponential term on the bottom is small. therefore you can approximate $f(x)$ in powers of that exponential, and therefore obtain the leading term $f(x)\approx 1-e^{(x-a)/b}$
 
@iwriteonbananas An inductive argument shows that the rational cohomology of $K(G,n)$ is zero for all $n$ when $G$ is finite; now use that there's a CW model for $K(G,n)$ that is finite in all degrees.
 
and therefore in particular $f(a-b)\approx 1-e^{-1}$
 
Here I don't get where the OP's problem actually is. Seems too easy, but perhaps I am assuming too much.
 
more generically, if you know $f$ at some $x<a$ and you know $a$, you can approximate $b$ from that
similarly for $x>a$ with $a$ known
 
@iwriteonbananas I suspect from examples that you can do better and show that the cohomology of $K(G,n)$ is of order at most $|G|^n$.
 
6:02 PM
@MikeMiller Do you know if Brown ever computes the group cohomology ring of a finite cyclic group? There is a part that bugs me in my current reference.
 
I don't, sorry. Have you tried doing it with your teeth?
 
Too classy for that, and can't find my bottleopener.
 
Don't have one on your keychain?
Or shoe?
 
Nope. These Swedish tobaccoboxes we silly Scandinavians use actually function quite well as bottleopeners, though.
 
@AndrewThompson everuthing functions fine as a bottle opener to a Scandinavian
another bottle for example
 
6:09 PM
@TobiasKildetoft Tables, blackboards, chalk... The list goes on.
 
piece of paper is also good
 
I'm currently trying to think of something which does not function as a bottle opener to a Scandinavian. I was about to say 'someone's eyebrow' but then recalled I have seen that too (although without success and with blood.)
@TobiasKildetoft Snus is illegal to buy/sell in Denmark if I recall correctly?
 
@AndrewThompson No idea actually
 
trying to open a bottle with a Scandinavian eyebrow is probably something I won't experience in my possibly short lifespan
 
@TobiasKildetoft Google'd it. Seems like only the disgusting kind is banned.
 
6:13 PM
@AndrewThompson is there a non-disgusting kind?
 
3.bp.blogspot.com/-oqDNLN9kXfA/VhQ4Hc3vhwI/AAAAAAAAJw8/… I'd argue this is less disgusting than the loose kind.
 
@AndrewThompson I thought the difference was whether you kept it in your mouth or snorted it up your nose
 
@MikeMiller Oh, that's a good idea. Thanks.
 
Oh, the one you snort up your nose is snuff.
 
@AndrewThompson then what is this sort called in English?
The word "snus" literally means "sniff"
 
6:17 PM
both those kinds are legal in where i live
 
(I also think both kinds are called the same in Swedish)
 
boy it's disgusting
 
It does. Usually one refers to it as 'Swedish snus.'
Yeah, I've heard India has some weird products in that regard. Isn't there also a kind of tobacco you place directly on your teeth?
 
Yeah, in between your teeth and lower lip I think.
 
Ah. They have something like that in America, dip I think. Where one has to spit all the time.
 
6:20 PM
Yep. Ugh.
 
that sounds pretty close to snus actually
except you generally place that to the side and up
 
Yeah, and the upper lip (so you don't have to spit.) Although some people who use loose snus (i.e. they pack it themselves, it does not come in a small 'teabag') put so much in it kind of goes all over the place.
 
@AndrewThompson you can't avoid having to spit regardless or where you place it. At least for most people it feels terrible to swallow if you have snus in your mouth
 
@TobiasKildetoft Well, if you use loose or a really wet portion that's true. For dry portions which don't drip you don't need to spit/swallow.
 
@AndrewThompson you will always need to swallow. You just usually do not notice if you don't have something in your mouth
and having anything in your mouth only makes that even more the case
 
6:27 PM
Haha, yes, I meant that the snus does not run, so you're not swallowing whatever comes out of that. (At least not to a point where it's noticeable.)
 
that was not my experience the few times I tried it
 
Loose or portion?
 
portion
 
Hm, yeah, I think that happens with most people the first few times. At some point one learns to 'airdry' the lip beforehand so that it doesn't run.
(And it's also dependent on the kind of portion you use, in general the white ones run less.)
 
6:31 PM
I need to decide what I want to do now.
 
@TobiasKildetoft Where did you graduate, by the way?
 
(1) I still have a topology exercise to get done. (2) I have to get schoolwork done.
 
@AndrewThompson Aarhus (for my PhD)
I did my masters degree in Copenhagen
 
@TobiasKildetoft Oh, cool. Same as my advisor for your PhD.
 
@AndrewThompson who is your advisor?
 
6:33 PM
@TobiasKildetoft I like being anonymous. May I send you a mail?
 
Sent. (Assuming you work at Uppsala and that there's not several people named Tobias Kildetoft doing math in Scandinavia.)
 
The one and only
(fairly certain I am in fact the only person in the world with precisely this name)
 
ah, like I am the only Mike Miller
 
@MikeMiller I have this weird feeling that Miller might be a more common surname than Kildetoft :)
 
6:43 PM
his middle name is "geometric topology" though, which significantly shortens the list of people with precisely his name
 
@TobiasKildetoft Funfact: our whole topology group comes from Aarhus in one way or another.
 
@BalarkaSen That'd be a cool wrestling name.
 
Kinda funny that there is not that much algebraic topology left in Aarhus now. It has all moved to Copenhagen
 
Copenhagen has a nice list of faculty
 
6:48 PM
In algebraic topology and operator algebras, definitely
not many representation theorists there
 
@TobiasKildetoft Do you care about the representation theory of $\text{Sp}(2g,K)$?
 
@MikeMiller not in particular, but as a special case, sure
 
fair enough
a paper claiming to use TQFT to get representation theoretic results showed up on the arXiv today; I want to know if it's interesting to representation theorists
 
@MikeMiller The type of results they get are very interesting. But I have not taken a closer look at the precise form their formulas take
Namely, finding character formulas for simple modules is a huge open problem in general
 
I see, so if this works it might give an interesting general approach
 
6:59 PM
Certainly, assuming the type of formula is "practical". But any formula at all will probably be interesting
 
Their formula has a bunch of trig functions flying around
 
I have not looked at the paper yet though, so I have no idea if the method also works for other cases
that's really weird
 
Dragon Ball is really different subbed.
 
I've seen this sort of thing show up in what I do, but it's usually a bunch of trig functions flying around for calculating numbers of solutions to PDEs
 
the "new" conjecture for the characters is that they should be given in terms of the $p$-canonical basis (or the dual such)
 
7:00 PM
which is still really weird, but at least I know that it happens sometimes
 
and this has been proven to be the case for type $A$
 
I see
 
not that this is necessarily the best way to describe them, as the $p$-canonical basis can be quite tricky to compute in
 
no basis is canonical
 
@user349357 depends on what canonical means
 
8:06 PM
@TedShifrin 'evening
 
Huy
8:58 PM
what happened here
Dragon Ball ???
 
9:26 PM
If X is an n-dimensional CW complex and e is an n-cell in X, then X\e is a subcomplex of X. I'm asked to show that X is homemorphic to an adjunction space of X\e with an n-cell. But since X\e and e are disjoint, then isn't X homeomorphic to the disjoint union of X\e and e? And isn't this an adjunction attaching e to X\e along the empty function?
Am I missing something?
 
9:51 PM
OKay, I think I see the problem. X\e need to be open. X could be a connected CW complex for example. Then the disjoint union of X\e and e is disconnected, but their actual union is X with is connected, and so they cannot be homeomorphic
So in forming an adjunction space homeomorphic to X, I actually need to make some identifications.
 
10:02 PM
@PhilipHoskins Consider a few examples.
Attaching through the empty functions makes no sense.
 
Heya mr @Pedro
 
Hello Ted.
 
Hola all.
 
Wait, @Krijn. You and Pedro need to switch languages.
 
No, it should be "Hallo"
Close tho
 
10:12 PM
Ah, какоя глупость!
 
Я изучаю ло-русский язык
 
Очень хорошо.
 
Спасибо!
I ruined my phone by spilling wine on it.
 
Я могу Гугл переводчик
 
Bad tern, bad tern!
All this Cyrillic caused you spill wine, Krijn? Or an independent event?
 
10:22 PM
I'd say independent as the wine was spilled before the Cyrillic was typed
 
I'm amazed at how many people ruin their phones ...
 
It's not a total loss though, so I'm okay
 
You did say "I ruined ..."
 
lightly ruined
 
LOL
 
10:24 PM
But then again, we young ones are going out, intoxicated, using our phones
I ruined the touch screen, let's leave it at that
 
Well, fine, then. Hrumph.
 
Did you often get students in your class that were obviously still drunk?
 
Not often, no. My classes were typically too difficult for that behavior.
 
I'm always in doubt in such a situation
 
Oops ... There's a typo in my Russian above ... But it's too late to repair. Oh well.
Always, Krijn? This is something you do frequently?
 
10:29 PM
In this case, this would only imply that it happened at least once
 
LOL, uh huh.
 
It's not a regular thing, but of course, I am still just a student
 
There are plenty of adult drunkards.
 
And I do think a student should go out at least sometimes (hear, hear @Balarka)
 
Note that Balarka is way below drinking age. 15, I believe.
 
10:31 PM
That's only way below in the USA
 
I suspect also in India. Repressiveness being what it is there ...
 
Hmm, I probably shouldn't advocate drinking at a young age
 
You'd fit right in with the UGA fraternity boys.
Anyhow ... I'm gone for now.
 
are speaking russian and speaking of frequently drunk students independent events?
 
Ask Ted, I'd say
 
10:47 PM
@PedroTamaroff My "example" of any connected CW complex would present a problem, right? Although, I the idea occurred to me by considering [-1,1]. There's a proposition before this exercise in the book that says each n-skeleton is obtained from a n-1 skeleton by attaching n-cells. I think the point of the exercise is to use a similar argument as the proof of that proposition.
 
India is much too complicated on alcohol laws for me
 
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