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11:03 AM
I like that I can just type my flight number into google and it tells me everything I need to know.
Maybe I shouldn't like that. But when it knows more than my boarding pass... it's pretty convenient
 
11:23 AM
I am not sure if I like anything related to flying anymore.
 
Plane make go fast
 
I have seen many times here on math.SE that some users write the word application instead of the word function. Does this come from some language where the word for map/function is similar to the English word application?
 
It's the French word, I believe.
 
I think French.
 
Well. Okay
 
11:30 AM
@MikeMiller: Where are you flying to?
 
You might be right. French Wikipedia article says: "En théorie des ensembles, une fonction, ou application, est une relation entre deux ensembles pour laquelle chaque élément du premier peut être mis en relation avec un unique élément du second."
 
@Balarka NYC
 
I do not really understand what it says, but "une fonction, ou application" is "
a function or application" according to google translate. So French probably use these two words for function.
In fact, even Wiktionary seems to confirm this: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/application#French
 
@MartinSleziak Well, as long as they don't abbreviate it "app" :)
though I suppose then people would just take it as a typo for "map"
 
Happy flight in advance. Don't let the pollution get you.
 
11:35 AM
There's not much pollution in NYC. It's more common in industrial centers. LA is in principle more polluted, but I live closer to the ocean and farther from the factories.
 
Ah, didn't know that.
 
Well, not much compared to other major cities, I should say. It's also better than it used to be.
There's no such thing as a happy flight, just a productive one :)
 
I can agree no more.
 
I am merely happy that I can go 3,000 miles in less than a week.
 
That's thrice the farthest I have gone from my home, I think, and it was going approximately from one edge to the other of India. Sometime I forget how big US is.
 
haha
 
12:11 PM
How can you express the volume of a cylinder in spherical co-ordinates? Would you have to split up the polar angle into two cases? i.e. If $0 \leq \phi \leq \frac{\pi}{4}$ then $0 < r < h \sec(\phi) $ and when $\frac{\pi}{4} \leq \phi \leq \frac{pi}{2}$ then $0 < r < a \csc(\phi) $ where $h$ is the height of the cylinder and $a$ is the radius?
 
Yeah, you would want to do that. Which is why spherical is the wrong coordinate system to use here :)
 
Thanks. It was just to make sure I understood how to use the spherical system well.
 
Yup, I got you.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:30 PM
Hi @Huy
 
Huy
hey @BalarkaSen
 
whats up?
 
Huy
trying to figure out a proof that should be really easy
 
still working on farb-margalit?
 
Huy
yup
 
1:33 PM
cool
 
Huy
it's pretty cool stuff
but very dense, for me
 
go slow then. if you like it you should keep learning :)
 
Huy
yup. what are you up to?
 
learning differential forms
 
Huy
very nice :)
 
1:37 PM
it's really nice. the physical interpretations are interesting.
 
1:50 PM
I think I just solved a very interesting exercise.
After more than an hour of staring.
 
Huy
so it was some staring time well-spent
 
Perhaps. The solution is actually quite simple but I don't think I would have figured it out immediately.
 
are quintic functions solvable with a formula? I thought Abel proved there were none
 
depends on what formula means.
 
a formula similar to quadratic, cubic, quartic
 
Huy
1:58 PM
define similar
 
that's not a definition. in any case, the word you want is "with radicals". I.e, just using +, -,division, multiplication and taking nth roots for whatever n you want.
Abel proved there is no solution for the general quintic in terms of just those.
 
So doesn't that mean there are no solutions for quintic functions in $\mathbb{Z}$?
er
general solution
 
Huy
?????????????????????????
 
I don't know what that means.
@Huy You could be a bit explicit about what you say, you know ;)
 
Huy
sure, I could ;)
 
2:02 PM
if there is no solution for the general quintic in terms of the operations in $\mathbb{Z}$ doesn't that mean there is no solution for the general quintic in $\mathbb{Z}$?
 
I don't think I ever said "in terms of operations in $\Bbb Z$", because I don't know how to make sense of that.
 
you said in terms of just those
 
Did I ever mention the words "operations in $\Bbb Z$"?
 
isn't that what +,-,div,mult. is?
 
no, you can add, subtract, divide, multiply real numbers, not just integers... also you're forgetting taking roots.
 
2:09 PM
I think I made a large error in assuming a solution in a general quintic in terms of those belongs to a set.
and then I said specifically $\mathbb{Z}$
 
2:34 PM
Hi. I just posted my first question. I am nervous as my question can be "dumb" or "unformatted" So I wonder if I could get some advice on "asking appropriate question" before I get downvoted, link
 
Huy
@BlueBug: the process only looks identical because the function is actually continuous
 
@BlueBag It's a perfectly fine and not dumb question. Formatting looks about alright. To answer the question: yes, there are functions $f$ such that $f(a)$ and $\lim_{x \to a} f(x)$ are not the same. Example: $f(x) = \text{sign}(x)$ where $\sign(x)$ is the sign of the real number, i.e., $f(x) = -1$ if $x < 0$ and $f(x) = 1$ if $x > 0$ with the convention that $f(0) = 1$. (i.e., $0$ is assumed to be positive).
 
Huy
@BalarkaSen: you want $f(0)=1$ then
 
Thanks. Typo.
@BlueBug If I approach $0$ from the negatives, i.e., look at $\lim_{x \to 0^-} f(x)$, that's $-1$. Yet $f(0) = 1$.
These are typical examples of "discontinuous functions".
 
from what I am understanding, "the direction in which you reach the value can make the difference"
 
Huy
2:43 PM
yes, it can
 
It certainly can.
Continuity says no matter which direction you approach the limit, it's going to be $f(a)$. I gave you an example where this fails badly.
 
Huy
@BalarkaSen: are there examples that fail, but not badly? :>
 
symplectomorphic's comment below your post is an example where the limit is wrong no matter which direction you approach it from, if you have seen it, @BlueBug.
@Huy No, only badder.
 
Huy
:(
 
2:47 PM
Does associativity imply commutativity?
 
No, @Obliv
 
when my book says : Observe that if ~ is an associative (respectively, commutative) binary operation on..
it doesn't mean that associativity implies commutativity then?
 
Huy
no
it means that that statement is true regardless of whether you use the word "associative" or "commutative"
 
thanks
 
OK, I need to stop procrastinating and get to work again.
 
Huy
2:50 PM
yes, you do
 
See ya.
 
Huy
bb
that actually didn't look bad, @BlueBug
 
ty Huy
What I am being confused is that if I approach from negative I get $ x *( -(x-1) ) $ but if I approach from positive then I get $x(x-1)$ the equation looks different because of the absolute sign
I mean... I think the value comes out to be the same but the equation looks different
 
Huy
@BlueBug: you're overthinking it. take a calculator and compute $x |x-1|$ for some value of $x$ a bit below $1$. now take a different value $x'$ that is a bit closer to $1$, but still below. do it again and again. what happens? do the same from above.
 
a ha!
I get it
 
Huy
2:59 PM
@BlueBug: basically, $\lim_{x \to 1} x |x-1| = 0$ means "I can get a value arbitrarily close to $0$ by choosing $x$ close to $1$"
 
that's what the whole point of limits is @BlueBug To observe how a function behaves as it approaches the value you're interested in.
 
it's so simple!
it was so simple!
god I feel so refreshing to finally understand it
thank you for getting rid of this giant headache that was just massing me around
 
Huy
np
 
$lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{1}{n}(\frac{n}{n+1} + \frac{n}{n+2} + \frac{n}{n+3} + ... + \frac{n}{2n})$ ?
 
Take out the $n$
 
3:08 PM
no, turn it into a riemann sum
one could take out n then use asymptotic for harmonic sums, but said asymptotic comes from using riemann sums in the first place
 
Ah
Listen to anon then :)
 
(you'll want to write n/(n+k) as a function of k/n)
 
No idea on how to write limits as Riemann sums....any links to references?
 
yes, look up "riemann sum." have you seen them before?
what you have is $\sum_{k=1}^n\frac{1}{n}\frac{1}{1+k/n}$. that is already a Riemann sum.
can you identify what integral it is a Riemann sum for?
 
3:14 PM
have you seen a Riemann sum before?
it's a yes/no question.
 
yes, just basic introduction when doing integral
 
hint: $x=k/n$
 
log(1/n) ?
 
here's an example.
say we want to evaluate $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\left(\frac{1}{n}\ln(n!)-\ln n\right).$$
 
3:23 PM
observe $$\frac{1}{n}\left(\sum_{k=1}^n \ln k\right)-\ln n$$ $$=\frac{1}{n}\sum_{k=1}^n\big(\ln k-\ln n\big)$$ $$=\sum_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{n}\ln\left(\frac{k}{n}\right)$$ $$\to\int_0^1 \ln(x)dx=-1.$$
notice how the Riemann integral of $\int_0^1 \ln(x)dx$ is $\sum_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{n}\ln(k/n)$. in general, $\int_0^1 f(x)dx$ will have Riemann sums $\sum_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{n}f(k/n)$.
now with $\sum_{k=1}^n\frac{1}{n}\frac{1}{1+k/n}$, you need to think backwards to figure out what integral this is a Riemann sum of. specifically, what function is being integrated? hint: $x=k/n$.
 
ln(n!) is that summation?
 
ln(n!)=ln(n(n-1)...*3*2*1)=ln(1)+ln(2)+...+ln(n).
 
ow understood
and the summation extending to the ln n part?
 
what?
 
are the sets $\mathbb{Q},\mathbb{C},\mathbb{R}$ all constructed from $\mathbb{Z}$? they all seem to share that their associativity under + is a consequence of the associativity of $\mathbb{Z}$ under +
 
3:29 PM
Why is it $\frac{1}{n}\sum_{k=1}^n\big(\ln k-\ln n\big)$ and not $\frac{1}{n}\sum_{k=1}^n\big(\ln k)-\ln n$
 
$\frac{1}{3}(a+b+c)-d=\frac{1}{3}\big[(a-d)+(b-d)+(c-d)\big]$.
 
Oh yes, I'm forgetting the basics :(
 
@Obliv we construct C from R, construct R from Q, construct Q from Z, and construct Z from N
 
1/n is a constant, so we take it outside
 
What is the symbol that they keep using here, math.feld.cvut.cz/mt/txta/2/txe4aa2b.htm
that looks like <<>>?
 
3:37 PM
now integration of $1/(1+x)$ would be $log(x+1)$
 
@JoeStavitsky called double angle brackets
@KaustabhaRay yes
good
 
@anon What's your field?
 
@anon, ty but wiki doesnt seem to say what they mean
 
So that would be $\frac{1}{n} log(\frac{k}{n} + 1)$
 
@JoeStavitsky I've never seen the usage on that page before. Just think of them as thought bubbles in the middle of equations to record indeterminate forms, that's apparently how the author is using them there.
 
3:41 PM
@anon, sad, best material on the topic I've seen.
 
why sad?
 
Well, it's a moment lacking clarity in an otherwise clear document =P
 
HIII
 
seemed clear enough to me
@KaustabhaRay so, what do you think the answer is?
hi @Adeek
 
@anon I have 1 exam left in my whole undergrad on monday then I am done :D
can hardly wait
can't *
 
3:44 PM
What's the exam?
 
can *
 
topology
yeah can *
specifically algebraic topology
 
Want a fun exercise?
Ah
I have a nice exercise in general topology if you want
 
@anon ln 2?
 
after exams @Krijn
 
3:46 PM
@KaustabhaRay yup.
 
after exams will be doing hardcore math to prepare for masters
 
@anon thanks a lot
 
hi
what does "of the first kind" and "of the second kind" mean?
does it mean you apply it twice?
 
no, it means there's more than one kind of something, and they're specifying which kind is being referred to
for example, one kind of dog is white. a second kind of dog is black. mine is the second kind.
 
4:03 PM
Do you know two maps with htpy equivalent mapping cones but the two maps are not homotopic, @BalarkaSen?
 
Not off the top of my head.
 
Hm, ok
 
I guess I have an idea for a counterexample, but my spaces are not CW complex.
 
That's fine, I don't need em to be CW complexes
 
Take the double earring, subspace of R^2, consisting of circles of radius $1/n$ with center at $(1/n, 0)$, union circles of radius $n$ with center at $(n, 0)$ (for all $n$). Denote this by $X$. Consider the map $X \to X$ which sends $i$th circle to $i+1$-th.
Mapping cone of this map is the same as mapping cone of the identity map, nope?
But I am pretty sure this map is not homotopic to the identity map.
 
4:11 PM
Creative example, let me think about it
 
I won't guarantee this works, because this is an instantaneous idea, so think about this at your own risk of wasting time!
 
Hehe, sure thing
 
4:27 PM
@iwriteonbananas What if I don't care about the double earring? What if I look at the countable wedge of circles?
Seems like the same idea, if it works here, should work there (plus the latter is a CW complex).
 
Yeah, that would seem simpler
 
So, hmm, here you go: take unit circles centered at each integer on the real line. Give it a subspace topology. This guy is homotopy equivalent to wedge of countably many circles. Now take a map $X \to X$ which takes $i$th circle to $i+1$th circle.
 
I got a bit sidetracked, I'm now trying to prove the following assertion:
 
I am pretty sure the mapping cone is going to be same as mapping cone of the identity this time.
 
Consider a map $f:(D^n,S^{n-1})\to (Y,B)$ and a homotopy $h:(D^n\times I, D^n\times\{0\}\cup S^{n-1}\times I)\to (Y,B)$ with $h_1=f$
Then we can find another homotopy from $f$ to a map whose image lies in $B$ and the homotopy leaves $S^{n-1}$ fixed at all times
 
4:34 PM
Sounds fun :)
 
hahah
so $f$ is homotopic to a map whose image lies in $B$, and at all times the image of the homotopy lies in $B$
but the homotopy need not fix $S^{n-1}$ for all times
i wanna find a homotopy which does fix $S^{n-1}$ for all times
Btw. I think your example with the wedge of circles is good, @BalarkaSen
 
I see. Interesting, but something tells me I should be working on differential forms right now :) Sorry for not participating in the discussion.
 
Yeah, you shouldn't bother with this nonsense
 
@iwriteonbananas yes, I too think so. maybe if you think about this one, it'd not be as much as waste of time as my double earring example. :)
 
Study diff forms. Make Ted proud.
 
4:38 PM
I should mention that the idea is borrowed from objects called "swindles".
@iwriteonbananas hah.
I doubt this stuff is nonsense, just that I must fill in the basics before getting into it :)
@iwriteonbananas Eh. I have a better example.
Just look at wedge of two circles. Map is switch the circles.
 
The mapping cone of that is the same as the one of the identtiy?
 
Does this sort of result/property have a name?: Let $q$ be prime. $f(1) \equiv 0 \pmod q$ if and only if $x-1 \mid f(x)$ in $(\mathbb Z/q\mathbb Z)[x]$.
 
(1) This is not homotopic to identity: wedge of two circles is a $K(\Bbb Z * \Bbb Z, 1)$.
@iwriteonbananas Oh, hmm, that I am not sure of. Maybe not.
 
Why is it not homotopy equivalent to the mapping cone of identity? Do you have an argument?
Uh, it seems like it is to me.
 
4:45 PM
Oh, yeah...of course it is
sorry
 
What is your argument?
 
Pictorial argument. But I think it would be easy to write down an explicit htpy equivalence
I mean...we start with $(S^1\vee S^1)\times I$ and $S^1\vee S^1$
 
I guess. I have started disbelieving pictorial arguments a bit, but I believe you on this one.
So, modulo that, you have your example.
 
Aren't both spaces just homeomorphic to $(S^1\vee S^1)\times I$?
 
Eh? Mapping cone is $X \times I$ mod $X \times 1$.
 
4:48 PM
Oh wait, I'm doing the cylinder
Ok, don't think it makes a difference, but I don't wanna think about it anymore :P
 
Fair enough. Me neither.
@iwriteonbananas Yes, I checked and I think you're right that both spaces are homeomorphic.
 
Right, cool
 
Heh, we started out with a complicated example and systematically reduced it to a very simple one.
@iwriteonbananas Well, nice talking to you. I better get to work now.
 
It was all your work.
Yep, me too
 
can $n\in \mathbb{Z^{-}}$ for the set $\mathbb{Z}/n\mathbb{Z}$?
 
4:58 PM
i don't think there's anything stopping you from doing $n<0$, but i also don't see any reason it'd give you something new i.e i expect $\mathbb{Z}/(-n)\mathbb{Z}=\mathbb{Z}/n\mathbb{Z}$
 
in my book it says for $n$ in positive $\mathbb{Z}$ the set $(\mathbb{Z}/n\mathbb{Z})^{\times}$ is an abelian group under multiplication
is it also true for negative values
 
Hello :) Someone here good with function in set theory?
During the lecture we learned this phrase:
"If F function then $F^{-1}$ function iff F function injective (one-to-one)."
But why? what with onto? F don`t need to be Surjective (onto)?
 
think about what an inverse means
$f$ has a left inverse if there is a function $g: B \to A$ such that $g \circ f: A \to A$ is the identity on $A$
ie $g \circ f(a) = a$
 
Okay, but if f:A->B and:
A={1,2,3} and B={1,2,3,4}
so f function and $f^-1$ does not.
(And f one-to-one)
 
5:16 PM
if you are to say $f$ has a left inverse $f^{-1}$ such that $f^{-1}\circ f (A) = A_{id}$
that is injective
it only doesn't make sense if $A$ has more elements than $B$ if I remember right
also if you are assuming $f$ maps 3 elements of $A$ to 4 elements in $B$, $f$ wouldn't be a function @LifeOfPai
 
why f does not function?
its function but not onto its okay...
 
you have multiple outputs for a single input in your case. Unless you mean $f(A) = \{1,2,3\}$ where $f(A) \subset B$
 
5:49 PM
@iwriteonbananas Take the mapping cone of the identity on $S^1$ and the reflection on $S^1$. Both results are homeomorphic to the disc.
 
@Obliv: If $f:A\to B$ is injective, but not surjective, $f$ still has an inverse if we restrict the codomain and consider $f:A\to f(A).$
 
Alternatively: take two points, and take the mapping cone of the literally only two homeomorphisms of that to itself.
 
Sorry, @LifeofPai, not Obliv.
 
In general the mapping cone of a homeomorphism is homeomorphic to CX.
 
@wellynaught you should specify a left inverse, no? If it isn't surjective there exists no right inverse (right?)
 
5:54 PM
If you're hell-bent on leaving $B$ is the codomain, then correct. But if $f$ is injective, it can be made to be invertible by replacing the codomain with the image.
It just depends on what you're doing.
 
Hello!
 
no I'm saying even if you leave the codomain as the image, the map is $f: A\to B$ not $f: A \to f(A)$ if it were the latter then it would be surjective, too, by definition.
@wellynaught
wait I'm confusing myself..
ah f*** it it's not like he's here anymore anyway
 
@MikeMiller Great, so all three of my examples work :P Good point about the identity and reflection, much simpler than the automorphism of wedge of two circles.
 
@MikeMiller Your topology seminars don't happen to be filmed and put up somewhere? There was one recently I'd like to see.
(Although I suppose filming is almost exclusively done for conferences.)
 
Which one?
 
6:01 PM
Akhil Mathew's.
 
Ok, I didn't go to that one. No, they're never filmed.
 
Ah, ok.
 
@Balarka: A more interesting question: Find an example of mapping tori that are homeomorphic but such that their defining homeomorphisms f, g are conjugate (so there's no homeomorphism h, inverse h', with hfh'=g)
 
*are not conjugate. Interesting question, but I have calculus to do :)
 
Yes, I was going to say that.
 
6:04 PM
dumb question, what are the moral advantages of writing "-" instead of "\" for set subtraction?
 
I'll ping @iwriteonbananas in case he's interested.
 
Well, I should say "are not conjugate in the mapping class group". You also want to mod out by isotopy.
@AndrewThompson When was that talk? I forget.
 
Right.
 
@MikeMiller April 11th.
 
I don't remember why I didn't go to that
Oh, yeah, it's during our gauge theory seminar.
 
6:07 PM
I see. How's your work going?
 
@s.harp I don't have to remember which one is the backward/forward slash.
I have seen grading multiple times (and I think I have done this myself) someone having accidentally written $M/N$ for $M-N$.
 
Did you mean backward\forward?
;)
 
@PVAL Do you mean instead of $M\setminus N$ or was it really meant to be a minus?
 
@Andrew It's ok. I'm flying now (not literally now, at a layover) which means it's hard to get much done. Trying to read.
 
@Tobias To me they are equivalent (at least in the context I'm usually in as I don't have to deal much with complements of things with a group structure).
 
6:16 PM
@PVAL The set difference just behaves so much unlike a proper minus is so many respects.
 
I'm asking because in my exercise group I told them to use $-$ and when they asked why, all I could say was "it formats nicer" and "you dont mix up quotient with difference"
 
@s.harp I don't see how it formats nicer, but that might just be me
 
The nice thing about $\setminus$ is that it is a symbol very rarely used for anything else (only the occasional quotient on the right)
 
I've since put in a feature request because holy shucks that was a bad idea.
I forget, is Math.SE cat cuss friendly?
 
6:20 PM
Well the solution of the knot complement problem uses $-$ so I guess I am justified in the literature.
 
@PVAL sure, you can find examples of most notations used somewhere, however terrible (I don't fine using minus for sets that bad though)
 
@TobiasKildetoft I've also seen \ used as integer division, but in those contexts, people just use / and call it integer division.
 
@Tobias $(A-B)/(C-D)$ vs $(A\setminus B)/(C\setminus D)$, although I admit taht is a very deliberately constructed example. But also $A^C \cup B^C= (X-A) \cup (X-B) = X-(A\cap B)$ sort of looks nicer
looks nicer because there is more space to seperate the larger expression somehow dont know
 
is it assumed that the binary operation on a group is bijective because an inverse exists?
 
@Obliv It is not assumed, it follows from the existence of inverses
 
6:29 PM
so it is bijective then?
 
I assume you mean the function given by multiplication by a fixed element from either the left or the right
the operation itself (as a map $G\times G\to G$) is clearly never bijective.
 
@TobiasKildetoft It is once.
 
@PVAL true
 
lol
 
there should also be bijections from $\mathbb{Z}\times \mathbb{Z}\to\mathbb{Z}$, though not necessarily any that respect a group structure
 
6:34 PM
Sure, but we're talking specifically about group multiplication maps $m: G \times G \to G$.
 
point.
 
@Semiclassical Sure, but a group operation on a non-trivial group cannot be bijective like that even for infinite groups
 
As long as there is a nontrivial element $g$, then $m(e,e) = m(g,g^{-1})$.
 
derp, yeah
 
Amazing insight as always from this chat :)
 
6:36 PM
and more generally one can only invert up to similarity, yeah.
or should i be saying conjugacy? i get mixed up on those sometimesr
 
We're not conjugating up above. Conjugation means you replace $g$ by $hgh^{-1}$.
But we'd better stop talking about this or PVAL will be mean to us again.
 
nuts to that.
though you're right
 
@MikeMiller What's the easiest hyperbolic manifold?
 
Speaking of conjugacy. If $A$ is a square matrix then $AA^T$ and $A^TA$ have the same characteristic polynomial (being conjugate). But if $A$ is not square it seems like these still have the same characteristic polynomial up to a power of the variable. Does anyone know if this is true?
 
@PVAL Are you just asking topologically or are you asking for the easiest Kleinian group?
 
6:41 PM
@MikeMiller I'd like to classify contact strs. on a hyperbolic 3-manifold.
I'd like to try the easiest.
 
@TobiasKildetoft a weaker version of that: Taking $A$ to be $m\times n$ with $m\geq n$, must the characteristic polynomial of $A^T A$ divide that of $AA^T$?
 
I don't think anyone knows the classification for any hyperbolic 3-manifold
 
Some surgery on the figure 8 probably.
3/2-surgery is hypeevokic I think.
 
@Semiclassical Hmm, good question.
 
obviously yours would imply mine but not vice versa
 
@Semiclassical Certainly, evaluating the characteristic polynomial of $A^TA$ in $AA^T$ gives something that annihilates $A^T$ from the right (though not necessarily $0$)
and vice versa
 
@MikeMiller Are these all atoroidal?
 
Isn't any hyperbolic manifold atoroidal and vice versa?
 
Probably
 
I'm pretty sure that's the hyperbolization conjrcture aka Perelman.
 
6:47 PM
My motivation towards this question is literally most manifolds are hyperbolic and I don't think the classification is known in any case (which is kind of crazy).
It's also (well-known) open if every hyperbolic 3-manifold admits a tight contact str.
 
@TobiasKildetoft seems like there should be a nice relation between the two matrices in any case.
 
Someone here wants to prove that but Ko is making sure they don't.
 
@MikeMiller I mean I don't know any reason for it to be true.
There's either a very clever reason or its very hard.
 
That's why he doesn't want them to spend energy on it.
 
@tobias oh, hey, just found the following on Wikipedia
 
6:49 PM
@Semiclassical Hmm, actually what I just said also says something about the power of the variable in the larger polynomial (since we get a bunch of eigenvectors of value $0$ from it)
 
@MikeMiller I mean you can write papers about specific cases.
It's not hopeless in that sense.
 
Yea.
 
it says that it works for $A$ and $B$ in general
 
@Semiclassical Ahh, so it holds way more generally than I suspected
 
I think if someone did it for a specific case people might be less scared.
 
6:50 PM
same.
 
Well Mark and Tosun have..
 
@Semiclassical and it even uses a trick to show it that I had been using for something as recently as yesterday
 
I didn't know that.
 
6:51 PM
But I'm not in your field, so I have an excuse
 
Or well, tried to use, as it turned out to not quite work out and we had to find another way to do things
 
so all one needs to do is pad $A$ and $B$ appropriately to get back the square case
 
that's almost annouyingly simple
 
I guess it's believable that someone really good with HF could prove existence of tight structures on a lot of surgeries.
 
6:54 PM
@MikeMiller Essentially they consider for a knot $K$ which is hyperbolic they can prove that if the HFK for it is nice enough with respect to the contact invariant they can look at $p/q$ surgery on the knot as $0$ surgery on $L(q,p)$ (maybe a framing error), and show the contact invariant is still nonzero for a suitable contact surgery.
So I think for suff. large surgeries on k(=P(2,-3,2m+1)?) they can show they have a tight contact str.
 
Yea that's a believable strategy to me.
I mean it literally worked but it makes sense as something to try.
Do you know if the contact homology algebra is useful for surgery constructions yet?
I guess if you wanted to use it you would need to do computations and I'm not sure if those are possible yet.
 
@TobiasKildetoft what was the motivation for this, out of curiousity?
 
@MikeMiller If by contact homology algebra you mean ECH I don't know any way to detect tightness from these things
 
@Semiclassical We were trying to classify matrices $A$ such that both $AA^T$ and $A^TA$ were annihilated by the $n$'th Catalan polynomial.
 

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