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12:06 AM
Flip a coin.
 
 
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2:24 AM
Defence wins championships
wins
Championships
Can this defence hold on to win this championship?
 
2:50 AM
DEFENCE!!!
 
What do we do in dekstra's algorithm if we have 2 equal edges?
 
3:10 AM
@Karlo I think that Daniel's comment 2 hours ago was in response to your question when you asked it last. "Flip a coin." I.e., pick randomly between the equal edges.
 
@JMoravitz yes I wasnt sure if it was a joke
 
Well, consider a $K_{4,2}$ bipartite graph with constant edgeweight and try to find the shortest distance between the two vertices in the partition with just 2 vertices.
As I understand Dijkstra's algorithm finds A shortest path., but there is nothing that says it has to be unique. Picking randomly when faced with a problem of which edge to take due to equal weights shouldn't affect it much I don't think.
 
3:30 AM
what is the difference in boolean operators between x v y and xy
 
3:56 AM
Hello @VincenzoOliva
 
Hi @JulianRachman
 
How are you?
@BalarkaSen Hi!
 
hey
 
How are you?
 
I'm studying for a test, I'm about to leave unfortunately
and you?
 
3:59 AM
so-so
 
Oh, my appologies. Good luck! i am setting up my personal webpage for release. @VincenzoOliva
@BalarkaSen Why? What is happening?
 
@JulianRachman No worries, good luck to you as well, that's a nice project. Going now, bye!
 
nothing in particular. i'd say i am fine if i could've figured out what chain homotopies are all about...
 
Bye!! @VincenzoOliva
@BalarkaSen Oh. Is that homotopy theory or algebraic topology? I see by your bio that you are currently learning algebraic topology
 
homotopy theory is way too specialized. i'd say that's plain old basic algebraic topology.
 
4:05 AM
oh alright. unfortunately i cannot help you because, i am not at your level yet :(
 
yeah well no need to hurry. if you're studying point-set topology, then you'll be soon there.
 
thanks. i have jsut finished learning about the most fundemental topologies out there and also just about to get into the "basis of topology" which seems to be very important so I want to make sure I am prepared
 
oh god no. you should learn about metric spaces first.
 
ya. that is what I am learning currently before that.
 
oh, good.
arbitrary top. spaces will make no sense if you're not familiar with metric spaces ;)
 
4:09 AM
I am learning from munkres's texbook and another set of lecture notes because for some reason, I really like lecture notes
thats good. I will make a note of it. :)
 
actually you should use Simmons.
 
Simmons? could I get a link? What is that difference
?
Does it get into so very basic algebraic topology
?
 
no, it's a book about point set topology, but it's very good for beginners.
it's G. F. Simmons, Introduction to Modern Analysis.
 
ok. Thanks.
 
it starts from topology and actually leads you to functional analysis, but you needn't care about that.
 
4:12 AM
but for analysis, I used Apostol's mathematical analysis
 
it's not a book of analysis, albeit the name :)
 
what will be a good transition from topology to algebraic topology?
 
"transition"?
 
like what book would smoothly lead me into any algebraic topology book like Hatcher's?
 
munkres. but you should get used to point-set first.
and are you familiar with algebra?
you need to know a bit about groups, rings and fields to study algebraic topology.
 
4:15 AM
yes.
I was told to
 
anyways, i need to go. consider studying topology from Simmons. it's what i used when i first started.
 
ok. Thanks!
 
4:26 AM
hello. tumble weed goes by...
?
 
4:50 AM
@KajHansen Hey, yeah life is alright I suppose. I finally have access to the internet and a computer, so I will be active again, so that's something atleast. How about you? You are in a uni semester right now?
 
@Committingtoachallenge Why are you doing a challenge? Are you doing it to learn or just for the sense of accomplishment?
(I am sorry of this sounds rude. I do not want to be talking to you in such a fashion...)
 
@JulianRachman The challenge is motivation essentially. Accomplishment has no part in it, and odds are I will fail
 
Oh ok. Because there is no need to rush through everything.
 
@JulianRachman If I had a totally free schedule, or some serious funding it would be pretty relaxed.
@JulianRachman Well from courses I have taken, I should have been able to do the first few textbooks already - so there is that. Secondly I am going to be taking courses that work on stuff from the 4th-9/10th text books starting in a month, so there is that haha
 
I for one have gotten my butt beaten because I rushed too much and that really shocked me to the head. @MikeMiller was one of thos who smacked me into the right mind
that is great! what uni are you at?
 
4:57 AM
@JulianRachman You are very young though, so you haven't had prior exposure to the subjects, I really should know this stuff already(but I don't), and I have done quite a bit of it before(badly), so it is in the back of my mind
 
Does anyone know how to include two separate codes in a bbox ???
 
@JulianRachman University of Queensland
 
Like for example if I have
 
Oh that is great! IDK. Is that in Europe?
 
@Committingtoachallenge how you doing
 
4:58 AM
@TheArtist that should be for a code chat room i think
 
@JulianRachman Australia
 
@JulianRachman its about latex..
 
@TheArtist Alright I suppose, how about yourself?
@TheArtist Two codes as in two columns?
 
@Committingtoachallenge excited! Starting univ in two weeks time
 
@TheArtist First year?
 
5:00 AM
@Committingtoachallenge yep
 
@TheArtist try an array.
 
@Committingtoachallenge univ of Adelaide
 
@TheArtist Awesome, where at? You were in Melb if I remember correctly
 
@JulianRachman how ? Wait lemme explain the problem
 
That would be great if you did
 
5:01 AM
@TheArtist Awesome a Go8 uni, very good!
 
I wish i got to learn mathematics at a uni....
 
We can write $$\bbox[8pt, border: 2pt solid blue]{\text{Here is a silly equation:} ax+b}$$
how do I get the text to appear in one line, and the equation to appear below it
And the box to cover the whole thing (the two lines).
@Committingtoachallenge :D
@JulianRachman so what are you studying then?
 
@TheArtist Topology
currently
 
@JulianRachman no I mean at university
 
I am informally auditing a course called "Advanced Analysis II"
At CSUDH
 
5:07 AM
@Committingtoachallenge, yeah. I'm going to be up all night working on topology myself.
 
@JulianRachman oh I see
 
@KajHansen Oh haha, so you are doing a semester now?
 
@TheArtist $$\bbox[8pt, border: 2pt solid blue]{\text{Here is a silly equation:} \\ ax+b}$$
 
@Committingtoachallenge in Australian univs (or any univs in fact) , can we take semester 2 core courses in semester 1 ?
 
Indeed @Committingtoachallenge. I'm taking topology and complex analysis this semester.
 
5:08 AM
@TheArtist Why? Hsve any feedback? I am not "learning" anything at a university. I am jsut building a better perspective for Real Analysis on the side
 
@TheArtist In first year, at most Aus unis yes, after that you can't change the order, but only select the classes
 
@Kaji Yay! Topology!
 
@TheArtist I don't know why adding a \\ doesn't do it.
 
@KajHansen Cool stuff, I am doing Complex Analysis starting in a month, and I suppose Functional Analysis uses topology?
 
@Axoren it doesn't. It comes as two boxes, not very nicely inside one box
 
5:09 AM
@Kaj
 
@TheArtist There has to be a way. Good luck finding it.
 
@KajHansen Still hitting that gym?
 
@ForeverMozart Helo.
 
@JulianRachman no that's cool :) I myself haven't even started a university course still, so I dont have any feedback.
 
hi, any more problems?
 
5:10 AM
@Axoren hmmmm
 
mhmm @Committingtoachallenge. It was chest day today.
 
@KajHansen Good to hear. Are you happy in general?
 
@JulianRachman
 
@TheArtist not to me rude, but how old are you? Are you around my age?
 
@Committingtoachallenge oh I see, also, can I enrol in many courses as I wish ? Or there is a limit ? I mean other than the core courses (these courses may include other than my faculty courses) ?
@JulianRachman 19 years
 
5:12 AM
@TheArtist You can usually go with 4 courses in the first semester, if you get better than a GPA of 4.5 or 5 or 5.5(depending on university) you can take 5, if you do well at 5, some uni's let you take 6.
 
@Forever no. I was jsut speculatng over what specific topics of mathematics have the smallest and warmest communities
 
@Committingtoachallenge oh so universities have to allow? Yes there are 4 courses in first semester...thanks a lot for the info
 
@TheArtist That's great! Where are you going for college?
 
@JulianRachman That would be the 2x2x9 Rubix Cube Community. Smallest there is.
 
Ok. Well not that. I mean like topology, ANT, etc.
Specifics like that
 
5:14 AM
@TheArtist The computer system usually does the approval by checking your GPA
 
@Axoren
 
@JulianRachman engineering
@Committingtoachallenge okay :) thanks :)
 
@Committingtoachallenge, I'm so-so. This semester is hitting me hard.
 
@TheArtist No problems :)
 
Computational Geometry, maybe?
 
5:14 AM
@TheArtist not what major, what college?
 
@KajHansen Ahh that sucks :\, is it enjoyable atleast?
 
How is topology?
 
@ForeverMozart It's a pretty good neighborhood to be in.
 
@JulianRachman you asked "what am I going to do for college" .....college is university of adelaide
 
neighborhood, that is funny
 
5:16 AM
"Where are you going for college?" he said haha
 
Yeah. It's enjoyable, and I'm learning a lot at the price of sleeping :P
 
@KajHansen Ahhh happens too often :P
 
@Committingtoachallenge hahah nice one :D I misread it
 
@TheArtist What Eng do you want to specialise
 
@Committingtoachallenge aerospace
 
5:18 AM
Most Eng students say that it seems. After their first year they go into Electrical or Mechanical
 
@Committingtoachallenge yea....those are the most popular streams I think
 
Aerospace isn't that strong in Australia from what I have heard. Electrical and Mechanical will get you the jobs
 
@Committingtoachallenge hmmmm...I won't anyway get jobs in Australia, because I'm a foreigner (international student)...
 
@TheArtist Oh ok. Thats cool
sorry. I am blindly typing
 
@TheArtist Why not? I have many foreigner friends going into employment as engineers now
Are you exchange?
 
5:20 AM
@Committingtoachallenge its very rare that international students get full time employment because companies have to sponsor their visa....
@Committingtoachallenge really? Wow I hope now that's the case, but my brother says it's impossible to find a job......no I'm not an exchange student
 
@TheArtist Very odd, most of them have been here for atleast four years though, what about you?
 
@Axoren
 
Yeah?
 
Is it possible to simplify this: $n = 2(c \mod (n-1)) - c \mod(n-2)) + 2$
 
@Julian, yeah?
 
5:23 AM
I replied to you earlier:
Ok. Well not that. I mean like topology, ANT, etc.
Specifics like that
@Axoren
 
I replied too, @JulianRachman I think Computational Geometry is really comfy.
At least all the Computational Geometres I've met have been nice.
Geometers?
 
@Ilya_Gazman You should ask it on MSE
 
Geometrist sounds too much like a medical professional who turns people into shapes.
 
@JulianRachman I am taking Complex Analysis, Functional Analysis, Abstract Algebra II, Operations research and Coding & Cryptography II starting in a month. If that adds to your statement about rushing through the textbooks?
 
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Q: How to solve equation with mod, or how to simplify it?

Ilya_GazmanWhile working on Integer factorization problem I came to this: $$n = 2(c \mod (n-1)) - c \mod(n-2)) + 2$$ c,n are positive integers How can I extract $n$ from this equation? Or how can I simplify it?

@JulianRachman not getting answers there
 
5:25 AM
@Committingtoachallenge oh ok. just a hunch
 
How in the name of what...? @Ilya_Gazman
 
@JulianRachman I am doing all the exercises fully, so it's alright :)
 
@Axoren I don't understand your question
 
@Ilya_Gazman How did you end up with an equation of that sort?
 
@Axoren Oh. Ya, I dont really like geometry. I like abstract objects that you can fiddle with while having limited restrictions. Abstraction is what i sort get into
 
5:27 AM
@JulianRachman Then you'll love Computational Geometry.
It's the idea of turning problems into shapes.
 
@Axoren It's part of my Integer factorization algorithm. This might help me
@Axoren I need to solve it, or find a good way to guess it ;)
 
@Axeren Cool! Anything else? Like close to category theory and algebraic topology and such?
 
@Ilya_Gazman Alright, I'm curious now. I'll look into it.
 
@Axoren And pure math
sort of a fan of CS but not that much
 
@Julian I suggest you dip into different areas yourself. Personally, I love finite group theory because I'm a CS guy and everything about finite group theory is usable for my applications.
Especially the Symmetric group.
 
5:31 AM
Ok. Cool. I will. I jsut dont know what to choose!!
It is crazy how many fields are out there
 
There's a flowchart somewhere.
 
@Axoren
do you have a link?
 
Searching
Saw it a long time ago on Facebook.
Gonna have to crawl for a bit
 
@Axoren it looks like people don't like that question... I hope you be able to help me.
 
It bothers me that I sometimes see people downvote questions they don't understand.
Even moreso when people downvote because they don't see the application of something.
 
5:34 AM
@Axoren thanks. I will wait.
P.s., would you mind if I friended you on FB?
 
do you have an example for what you're referring to?
 
I try to keep Facebook to people I've met in person.
 
Me too
 
Oh. Ok Thats fine
 
@JulianRachman I can only find various department course flowcharts, but I remember there was a vast flowchart floating around back in 2010-2011.
It was almost a complete listing of every field that there was.
 
5:36 AM
that would be fine
@Axoren And I see you go to UMass. Hows the hockey up there?
 
If you feel like trekking the "Wayback machine", good luck, but I cannot find it.
 
oh ok
 
I don't pay attention to the university sports, but I know we have a team. A friend of mine tried out for it.
 
Oh. Thats great. did he make it?
 
Nope.
But he's why I know they exist.
 
5:38 AM
Oh.
lol
 
@Ilya_Gazman I just thought of something really simple that makes a dramatic change to how I'm viewing the expression.
Subtract 2 from both sides and what do you notice?
 
@Axoren I don't see it
 
$$n - 2 = 2 (c \mod n-1) - c\quad \mod n-2$$
You've shown that the inside has to be a multiple of $(n-2)$
Now, we can safely remove the outer modulo.
 
@Axoren the right side has to multiply of $(n-2)$?
 
Well, hold on.
 
Was the original question intended to be $n =$ or $n \equiv$?
 
@Ilya_Gazman in that case, we've shown that it is impossible for this equality to ever hold.
Because there is no $m$ such that $m \mod n-2 = n-2$.
Because the range of values $m \mod n-2$ can have is $[0, n-2)$.
 
c = 767849, n = 1009
@Axoren how did you came to: $m \mod n−2=n−2$?
 
5:49 AM
@Ilya_Gazman $m$ is a stand-in for any natural number that could have arisen from the inner expression.
 
But there is a subtraction there.
 
Also, $(2 * (767849 \mod 1008) - 767849) \mod 1007 = 0$
Even if we add 2 to it, it will not be equal to 1009.
This is where the distinction between $=$ and $\equiv$ matters.
 
no wait
Its not the equation
 
The only thing I left off was the +2.
 
its $n - 2 = 2 (c \mod n-1) - (c\quad \mod n-2)$
 
5:52 AM
Your question has a typo.
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Q: How to solve equation with mod, or how to simplify it?

Ilya_GazmanWhile working on Integer factorization problem I came to this: $$n = 2(c \mod (n-1)) - c \mod(n-2)) + 2$$ c,n are positive integers How can I extract $n$ from this equation? Or how can I simplify it?

 
@Axoren sorry, just fixed it
 
Well, now it's at least not "clearly impossible".
Let me check for those values if it is true, then
It is true for those values.
 
Those from my real life testing. Those have to be true
 
It's always good to double check.
 
@Axoren Yes indeed!
What can you say about: $(c \mod n -2) - (n-2)$
 
5:57 AM
Err...
Well...
No.
Let me think before I say that.
I believe it's always negative.
But I'm doubting myself for some reason.
 
is it always -1?
 
It's always < 0.
Not negative 1.
But negative.
 
and always bigger than $-(n-2)$
 
No, because it can be $-(n-2)$.
Greater than or equal to.
 
Than bigger or equal.
yeah
@Axoren I got to go now. Please tag me if think about some thing. Also c is the number that I am factoring. By finding solutions for this equation I will find the factors.
 
6:05 AM
@Ilya_Gazman Alright, I'll think about it a bit more before bed.
 
6:19 AM
@Ilya_Gazman We can say that $(c \mod n-1) + (c \mod n-2) = (-c \mod n-1)$. That's likely the best I can do so far.
@Ilya_Gazman Correction: $(c\mod n-1)+(c\mod n-2) \equiv (-c \mod n-1)$
Which, hold on... I think that reduces to...
$(c\mod n-1)-(c\mod n-2) \equiv (c \mod n-1)$

Which reduces to:

$0 \equiv (c\mod n-2)$
Lol...
Unless someone corrects me, your test is simply: $c \equiv 0 \mod n-2$.
 
@Axoren You should check my proposal out. area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/82510/mathematics-advisory (sorry if I am butting in. Just trying to get some publicity)
 
6:55 AM
Wow the new questions are pretty damn 'PSQ'
 
@Ilya_Gazman I think I flipped a + sign somewhere, so that might be wrong. It could be right, but the reasoning behind it is wrong.
However, $c mod n-2 = 0$, so it might be worth looking into.
 
7:17 AM
@Committingtoachallenge I know. So?
And what does PSQ mean
 
@JulianRachman So you should dispel these concerns
@JulianRachman Problem statement question
 
Oh Ok. Hang on. And ok.
 
@Committingtoachallenge How else would someone ask a specific question?
Obviously, any homework assignment someone wants done for them will be in PSQ form.
 
@Axoren I don't understand. You're asking how someone would ask a question other than as a PSQ?
 
@Axoren People just call them such if they provide no shown work at all
 
7:29 AM
So you want more evidence that it is a human presenting the question rather than a copy-paste from a book?
 
PSQ denotes questions without further context (whatever context means here). It is rare that a question cannot be improved by context.
 
@Axoren Comparison: 1) 1+1=?, 2) 1+1=?, I believe it may be equal to some $a$ where $a$ is built from the addition of these two items
 
@Committingtoachallenge Those both sound like awful questions.
 
@MikeMiller Yes but one is a 'PSQ', the other isn't. They are both awful
 
Actually, the proof for why 2+2=4 is ridiculously complicated for what it is.
 
7:30 AM
Assuming you are running straight from axioms?
 
Yeah.
 
Based on what it is, I agree haha
 
I guess you're referring to Whitehead-Russel's proof that 1+1=2 in their Principia. I don't believe anyone uses their system of logic or axioms for set theory anymore, but I'm no expert.
 
What would really be nice is a section of the site where PSQs from books are tagged and sorted
So that professors can investigate when their homeworks are being posted online.
And find the students who aren't doing their own homework.
 
I'd rather we just downvoted and closed bad questions.
 
7:32 AM
@Axoren I have created questions in the past with very specific, - author - title - Page number. But I can still add context to escape the 'PSQ' label
 
Right, but even that would be helpful to a professor.
Not as a punitive thing, but as an investigation.
 
@MikeMiller Gotta step up the downvotes then :P
 
"I want to see all the students who asked about 'Ch. 5, Ex. 5-19 through 5-43'."
"How many of these students posted in the past week? And how many of these students are mine?"
 
@Axoren That is a hell of a change to the structure of the site unfortunately. If this was not built off of SE we could probably have some of this
 
We could make a separate site that just crawled SE
 
7:38 AM
@Axoren Haha, you are in CS, I am not :P
 
it is a very lame answer but I ahve to go to sleep soon because i have HIGH SCHOOL!!!!
 
I'm snowed out tomorrow.
Have fun.
 
Lucky.
Cali gets no snow
 
Not lucky, I'm going to be behind by two whole weeks now.
 
What does the | mean when we define set and it is between the { }
 
7:39 AM
I'm emailing my professors to send me work to do
 
@Committingtoachallenge Done
 
@Karlo Such that
 
ok
 
@JulianRachman I starred it for attention
 
@Committingtoachallenge Not all CS guys can design, though. I can make a site but it'll look shittier than Geocities
 
7:40 AM
@Axoren Oh god haha
 
@Axoren I wish I a got 2 weeks off. I could do more higher math but when I am at HS, my mind is drained by the most useless stuff
 
@JulianRachman What about your other classes?
 
@Committingtoachallenge Ok. How do you like my answer?
 
@Karlo $\{ x\ |\ P(x) \}$ means that "this set contains all of the values $x$ for which $P(x)$ is true, where $P(x)$ is some truth expression in which $x$ is a variable.
 
@Committingtoachallenge At a uni or HS?
 
7:41 AM
mhm
 
So, $\{ x\ |\ x > 4\}$ is the set of all values $x$ that are greater than 4.
 
@JulianRachman It is good(I upvoted), but it will still have problems with the idea of the platform(being objective always)
@Axoren Alternatively I read it as the set of $x$ such that $x\gt 4$
 
I know. I jsut wanted to show that I am making this out of my personal experience
 
@JulianRachman HS
 
that I am 100% self studied
 
7:43 AM
@JulianRachman You should speak to your school councilor and see if they can offer enhanced math programs.
 
and that guidance is needed
 
Or even allow you to place out of Mathematics into a college level equivalent, like AP Calculus or higher.
 
@Axoren I have. I am possibly taking Calc next year
 
@JulianRachman @Axoren I found the way to write it inside the box :)
 
Good man.
 
7:44 AM
but with Common core in the way, it is a war
@Axoren
@TheArtist How?! I must know~
!
 
Use a matrix inside it
For example :
 
@TheArtist I despise how that is the solution.
LaTeX matrices are the second most disgusting notation in LaTeX.
 
@Axoren Do you think I should do the requiremeent for graduation and dohigher mathematics formally all of my three years left? (I am not counting this year)
 
$$\bbox[8pt, border: 2pt solid blue]{\begin{matrix}{\text{This silly equation:} \\ ax+b }\end{matrix}}$$
^^^ see this
 
@TheArtist Oh! I see.
 
7:46 AM
Use a matrix inside the bbox
@Axoren because it solves the problem
 
@JulianRachman If you can, go for it. Especially if you aren't sure where in mathematics you want to end up. Going for it full-force early will give you time to change your mind and go into Applied or Engineering if it's not your shtick.
And if you're already in a position to take calculus at the age of 14, you're in a good spot.
 
But what if I want to get into a BIG college like MIT or harvard?
 
@TheArtist I understand that, I still think its disgusting.
 
Will taking less and less HS classes as my years go by affect me? @Axoren
 
@Axoren okay
 
7:50 AM
I will obviously be taking all the APs I can. @Axoren
 
@JulianRachman I don't understand. You said you'd be doing the high school graduation requirement courses. So there's nothing to miss out in high school. Besides, having a powerful math background early on puts you in a position to demand scholarships.
Like "You want me in your college, I'm already performing Complex Analysis as a 14-year-old."
 
Ya. But I mean like Harvard/MIT have like specific #-of-years requirement for certain subjects over the grad reqs. so should I follow by that?
 
@JulianRachman Could you give an example?
Like, are they saying you need X years in Mathematics?
 
Yes.
for example,
MIT Recommends 4 units of science. But I want to do jsut MATH.
but to get in, i always say that if they recommend something or leave something optional, DO IT.
the link are the statistics
 
Choose math related sciences.
 
7:56 AM
jsut search on google "<name of college> common data set"
@Axoren
 
@Julian, I don't see it mentioning years of anything yet.
Still looking
 
@infinitesimal But the math is all boring and needs no thinking. jsut plugin the number and BAM!
There is a section that says "Units Recommended"
@Axoren
 
Then see if you can take AP Physics for 4 years lol
 
The math in say physics is not "boring" :-)
 
Physics is almost as pure math as math itself.
It's just they start throwing balls, slopes, and planets around.
So it'll feel like Geometry
 
7:59 AM
Then how about having to take three years of a language?
 
It'll become Calculus
 

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