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4:05 PM
@MaryStar It seems it will work because you effectively defined a curve that trace out the same circle many times (and it slows down logarhtimatically as you increase t), but the starting point and end point never matches (because the starting point is undefined), hence the curve will remain open (in fact, it only has one end point, $t=e^{2\pi}$)

I suggesy you to double check with @robjohn
 
@hippa I found that
$$\int_a^b f(x):y=c \ \ dx, \ a, b, c \in \mathbb{R}, b>a = c(b-a)$$
Is it true ?
 
@Ramanewbie And what is $\int f : a$ ? I've never seen this notation before
Wait... do you mean $\int fdx$ where $f=c$ ? If so, yes, it's true. it's even true for $b\le a$
 
@hippa Probably
f(x)=c
yes
Ok
 
Huy
@hippalectryon: when are you starting, I'm finished with the book soon! :D
 
@Huy >:c I remind you that I have 8h of unrelated class a day, + the corresponding homework :P reading the book is extra
 
Huy
4:14 PM
so do I + two jobs
it's all about time-management my dear friend
 
@huy you mean it's all about the priorities you give to yourself...
 
Huy
wat
 
@Huy 10 hours in school + 5-7 hours of homework = not much time left :(
 
Huy
do your homework quicker. :D
 
I've got exams at the end of the year :(. The important kind.
 
Huy
4:17 PM
I do too!
nobody wants to study functional analysis with me :(
 
I would @Huy But I have loads of homework and exams to get rid off.
 
Huy
-.-
 
Maybe me, once I've reviewed my chem lessons, physics lessons, finished my 5 assignments that each take 3-4 hours and finished redoing all the chem exercises ._.
 
Anyways which book are you studying from.
 
Huy
and that kids is why I hardly ever give homework. instead I make sure my students actually work on my problems during class and don't waste time then
 
4:20 PM
It's not wasting time. It's actually useful and needed. The exams are competitive exams after all :c
 
Huy
@Hippalectryon: I think you didn't properly read what I wrote
 
Thats so nice. I have to write parchments on stuff like cycloalkenes and toulenes and xylenes and stuff
 
Huy
@Rememberme: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2098511/FAnotes.pdf
Still this one, but I might skip some chapters because I want to focus on chapters 10 and 11.
 
@Huy But we work on problems during class too :c and we barely have enough time to even finish all we have to do by the end of the year
 
I'm trying to determine if a polynomial is irreducible by dividing. If I get a remainder of 0, does this mean it IS or IS NOT irreducible?
 
Huy
4:22 PM
@Hippalectryon: you're still in high school, right?
 
@Huy More like college. More precisely, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
Hello @TedShifrin
Are you there?
 
Huy
ah, this weird French stuff. :P
 
@TalenKylon If you divide one polynomail with another of lower degree and get remainder of zero, it means the polynomial id divisible by the lower degree one and thus by factor theorem the lower degree one is a factor of it. Hence the original polynomial will be reducible as you can write it in terms of the factors (lower degree polynomial)(factor from the long division)
 
@MaryStar $\gamma(t)=(\cos(t),\sin(t))$ is a closed curve on $[0,1]$ but not on $(0,1)$, but that seems like cheating.
 
4:25 PM
@huy the book seems to give a very good feel about functional analysis
 
@Secret Thank you, that's what I was thinking too but I started thinking into it too much and began to doubt myself.
 
I have seen Rudin, Kolmogorov but I don't think they give that required feel towards it.
But I guess its metal will depend on its questions
 
Huy
@Rememberme: The author is the best teacher I've ever had. I just talked with some friends about him today and he doesn't seem to only have this impact on me. He has a very broad knowledge, thus always finds many different reasons to motivate new things and in person, he is really really good. He always does the whole lecture without any notes, yet doesn't lack structure and can show many examples interesting for anyone.
 
When we take an other interval as the domain? Will hat work then? @robjohn
 
Huy
@Rememberme: Just check out section 1.4 for example. I've actually seen the Proposition 1.16 (and even proved it personally) before, but haven't really thought about it in the specific context of the heat equation and the wave equation. And he does exactly that and now I am actually a bit ashamed to admit I have never really understood those two fundamental equations up to the point where I read that section.
 
4:30 PM
@MaryStar @robjohn Is a parametrisation of a curve need to be injective, or is it ok without it?
 
@Huy I have to revise my lebesgue measures once to get a absolute grasp over that proof.
 
4:52 PM
How do i figure out how many 5's there are in the prime factorization of $n!$ ?
 
Is there some way using wolframalpha, or another tool, I can check my multiplication of two polynomials in GF(256). The two polynomials I'm multiplying are (x^8+x^6+x+1)*(x^7+x^6+x^2+1). I'm getting, x^56 + x^48 + x^36 + x^16 + x^12 + x^3 + x^2 + x + 1. I would like to double check my answer to make sure I am correct.
 
5:13 PM
@TalenKylon
Wolframe alpha or mathematica
Expand[(x^8 + x^6 + x + 1) (x^7 + x^6 + x^2 + 1)]
1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + 2 x^6 + 2 x^7 + 3 x^8 + x^10 + x^12 + x^13 + x^14 + x^15

I am not sure how to adapt this to GF(256) though
 
Hmm, I wonder if you could just the coefficient of each term and if it's 2, then that = 0? Does that make sense?
 
In that case, you will left with
1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + 3 x^8 + x^10 + x^12 + x^13 + x^14 + x^15
 
@Rememberme Homotopy between $[f][g]$ and $[g][f]$ doesn't make sense. You're already in the equivalence class. What you want is a homotopy between $f * g$ and $g * f$. Anyway, that bit is obvious. The nontrivial part is to find what the homotopy is.
 
@Secret
 
It has a very cool geometric interpretation.
 
5:20 PM
I'm not confident in that answer as it relates to GF(256), I suppose I could just email my profesor and ask him if my result is correct!
 
ok
 
@Rememberme lol "parchment". what is this, 1600 AD?
 
@BalarkaSen hey, what's a good resource for learning about galois theory of covering spaces? i remember that being one of your things
 
5:43 PM
(n+1)=(n)+(1)
 
Phone is glitching out again. Managed to remove my prior comments. ^_^"
 
If you know that the combination of two functions make the same kind of function, since the combination of $n$ functions yields that kind of function by your induction hypothesis, then the combination of $n+1$ functions is just the combination of (one function) and ($n$ functions), and hence is of the type you want
 
Got it! Thanks, @Hippa.
Forgot how to do induction there, haha!
 
2
Q: The vectors are orthonormal

user159870Let $(a_{ij})$ be a skew-symmetric $3 \times 3$ matrix (i.e., $a_{ij}=-a_{ij}$ for all $i, j$). Let $v_1$, $v_2$ and $v_3$ be smooth functions of a parameter $s$ satisfying the differential equations $$v'_i= \sum_{j=1}^3 a_{ij} v_j$$ for i = $1, 2$ and $3$, and suppose that for some paramete...

Do you know why we differentiate the dot product of any two vectors?
 
Huy
5:53 PM
@user159870: I haven't read the question, but if you want to show they are orthogonal, you want to show the dot product is zero. However, if you show that the derivative of the dot product is zero, you know the dot product is constant. Therefore, you can evaluate the dot product at some point where it's easy to see it is zero. I'm assuming this is what the hint is referring to here.
and I just saw that in your question, you are given that at $s_0$ your vectors are orthogonal. so if you show that the derivative is zero, you know they are orthogonal everywhere
 
@Huy Is this correct?

$\frac{d}{ds}(\left< v_i(s), v_j(s) \right>) = \frac{d}{ds}(v_i(s)^t v_j(s)
)=(v_i(s)^t)' v_j(s)+v_i(s)^t (v_j(s))' \\= \sum_{k=1}^3 a_{ik} v_k(s)^t v_j(s)+v_i(s)^t \sum_{k=1}^3 a_{ik}v_k(s) $
 
Huy
probably
I think the second $a_{ik}$ should be an $a_{jk}$
 
@Huy But how is this equal to zero?
 
Huy
since it's $v_j$
that's a good question and you can find the answer within the first five words of your question on the site
 
@Huy Yes. It must be so.
 
Huy
6:09 PM
yea
I'm afraid I have to go practice some FIFA16 now. I hope you found out how to solve it. :)
 
I hope so too. See you later! :)) @Huy
$\frac{d}{ds}(\left< v_i(s), v_j(s) \right>) = \frac{d}{ds}(v_i(s)^t v_j(s)
)=(v_i(s)^t)' v_j(s)+v_i(s)^t (v_j(s))' \\= \sum_{k=1}^3 a_{ik} v_k(s)^t v_j(s)+v_i(s)^t \sum_{k=1}^3 a_{jk}v_k(s) $
Any ideas how I can continue?
 
hello/salut
 
Hello @Agawa001
@ThomasAndrews Do you have an idea how I can continue to find that it is 0. We know that $a_{ij}=-a_{ij}$.
@ThomasAndrews Sorry it is $a_{ij}=-a_{ji}$.
 
6:32 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist hope you get better
 
@AndrewG hatcher chapter 1 :)
 
@Agawa001 Hey! I'm on modern treatment, but still experiencing some difficulties, not that hard to bear.
 
@Chris'ssistheartist What happened ?
 
@Hippalectryon Allergy
 
@Chris'ssistheartist have u tried pollen ?
 
6:39 PM
@AndrewG It depends on what you mean by Galois theory of covering spaces, though. Do you just mean plain old covering space theory, or the rigorous Grothendieck formality of covering spaces and Galois theory?
 
@Agawa001 I'm away from pollen, dust.
 
its better than antihestamines
 
For the latter, Szamuely is good.
 
@Agawa001 Really?
 
(or so I have heard)
 
6:39 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist think evry natural remedy is better
im from mother nature :)
 
1
Q: Curves with constant curvature and constant torsion

user159870Describe all curves in $\mathbb{R}^3$ which have constant curvature $κ > 0$ and constant torsion $τ$. Any ideas what we can do to describe all such curves? Do we have to use the formulas of the curvature and of the torsion?

 
Why are you tagging me? I have no idea what you are talking about. @user159870
 
@Chris'ssistheartist people think also that honeybee bite is healthy
 
@Agawa001 All is from overwork, my theory is that all trouble is produced by my mind, not by external factors. It's a way my body says :TAKE A BREAK!.
:-)
 
@ThomasAndrews Sorry I was confused. That 's what I was talking about math.stackexchange.com/questions/1478472/…
 
6:44 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist i recall something alike happening to myself
may be three years ago
my internet is freakin slow ... see ya in a while
 
@Huy re: the starred thing. What you said is not true. The right statement would be I'm all about modules
 
ADG
hey anyone familar with hilbert space??
inner product?
why $<z,w>=z\bar w$??
 
hi all
@Hippalectryon tu connais le th de Cantor ?
 
6:59 PM
@Gato En gros, oui
 
Qd on pose $F:=\{x\in E : x\not\subset f(x) \}$ pourquoi n'écrit-on pas $x\ne f(x)$
 
Tu veux dire $F:=\{x\in E : x\notin f(x) \}$ non ?
$x$ est un élément de $E$, $f(x)$ est un ensemble de tels éléments
 
oui je me suis trompé
donc ici f(x) est vu comme une propriété ?
 
$f(x)$ est just un ensemble d'éléments de $E$, que veux tu dire par propriété ?
 
(qui dépend de l'indéterminé $x$)
 
7:05 PM
$f$ est un fonction quelconque de $E$ dans $\mathcal{P}(E)$. On peut probablement lui associer une propriété, mais je n'en vois pas l'intérêt
 
Ok, on considère donc $\{x\in E : P(x)\}$ avec le prédicat P(x) : $x\not\in f(x)$ avec f(x) un 'ensemble d'éléments de $E$ (image de $x$ par $f$) ?
 
C'est ça
 
ok merci :)
 
Anyone know what is the supremum of R?
 
@SuperHeroY O_o why would it even exist ?
 
7:10 PM
@Hippalectryon does it exist?
 
Not really. At least, not in R
 
Okay thanks. To understand more, what is the maximum of R?
 
There's none either. Given any number, you can always find another real that is bigger.
 
If instead of R we have Q, does any of the above exist?
 
Well, does my reasoning above also apply to Q ? ;)
 
7:13 PM
I guess the same applies to Q
 
Indeed :-D
 
Is it wrong to say that the max of R is +oo?
I mean +oo is not a number
 
It is wrong, since +oo is not in R
 
Oh, thanks. Is there a set with +oo in it?
For example, can I define A = {+oo, -oo, 150}?
 
Well, you can always consider R U {-oo, +oo}. But usual addition laws won't apply anymore
 
7:15 PM
Great, thanks! :D
 
@Chris'ssistheartist Btw, forgot to link you that
 
If I have a set D with xε[sqrt(5), 20] and then I do: E = A ∩ Q, what will the new set contain?
 
Well, what do you think the answer is ? (and why ?)
 
If I did A ∩ R the new set will be empty. But now it will contain every number between sqrt(5) and 20 that doesn't exist in Q, correct?
 
Wait. Why would A ∩ R be empty ?
 
7:24 PM
Not sure, but from my point of view it makes sence. I remove every number that exists in both sets from the A set. Since R contains all numbers it will have all the numbers that are in A.
 
'A ∩ B' is not the set of elements of A that are not in B. It's the set of elements that are both in A and in B
For instance, {1,2,3,4,5} ∩ {2,5,8,9,6} = {2,5}
 
Yes, I understand that, thanks for pointing out
 
So, what is A ∩ R ? What is A ∩ Q ?
 
A ∩ R = A
 
Indeed.
 
7:29 PM
A ∩ Q = all elements both in A and Q
 
Thanks for helping me :D
 
The supremum of an empty set is +oo or it doesn't exist?
 
It doesn't exist.
 
7:31 PM
ok thanks
Can I prove stuff in maths with just words?
 
Sure you can :-) as long as it's rigorous
 
I mean, do I always need to write them like the book does?
 
hi @SamuelYusim
 
Thanks
 
@Agawa001 See ya
 
7:33 PM
@SuperHeroY Maths don't need crazy symbols. But at some point, they make the whole process easier.
 
@Hippalectryon Thankssssssssssss! :-)
 
yo @BalarkaSen
 
It's not about symbols only. To be honest my question is: "is there any chance a student will write a proof that he just though and this proof is as good as the one in the book"?
*Given that he studies a lot
 
Sure ! Believe in yourself :-) At best, your proof will be better than the book's. At worst, you'll see where your proof is lacking and do better next tiùe
 
@SamuelYusim how's it going?
 
7:38 PM
At best, your proof will be better than the book's. <-- I don't think this can happen :P
 
It can :P books aren't perfect
 
D = [sqrt(10), 20] ∩ Q. In this set, supremum is 20, max doesn't exist, infimum is sqrt(10) and min is sqrt(10), correct?
 
Why wouldn't the max exist ? And why would the min be sqrt(10) ? Remember, the min and max must belong to the considered set.
 
pretty good @Balarka, just busy. Four assignments due within the next 3 days.
 
yikes
 
7:42 PM
how about you?
 
what are you learning
 
@Hippalectryon you mean the numbers in Q are finite?
 
@SamuelYusim i'm fine, tomorrow's my last exam and then i'm free
 
the assignments are in real analysis, graph theory, representation theory, and enumeration
nice!
 
@SuperHeroY Is sqrt(10) in Q ?
 
7:43 PM
@Hippalectryon no
 
@SamuelYusim oh, cool. what are you learning in graph theory?
 
@SuperHeroY Then it isn't in D∩Q either, and thus can't be a minimum.
 
oh I get it
 
right now we're talking about matchings
 
Now, why do you think there's no maximum ? @SuperHeroY
 
7:44 PM
@Samuel what's matching?
 
so, supremum is 20, max is 20
 
Exactly :D
What about the minimum ?
 
min doesn't exist and infimum is sqrt(10)
 
a matching in a graph $G$ is a set of edges in $G$ such that no vertex is touching more than one of the edges
 
@SuperHeroY yep :)
 
7:45 PM
so the idea is that you want to find matchings in a graph that are as large as possible
 
oh, thanks a lot!
 
but the size of a largest matching in $G$, usually denoted $\nu(G)$, is pretty hard to compute
 
back
 
Btw, are you a professor or a phd maths student? Thanks for helping me! :D
 
@SuperHeroY Just a student
 
7:46 PM
@Hippalectryon I guess maths? :P
I am a CS student
 
not amazingly hard, just regular hard
 
@SamuelYusim so, essentially, you want a subgraph with no two edges sharing a common vertex?
 
@SuperHeroY maths, physics, chemistry
 
yeah
 
@SamuelYusim alright. that makes sense. interesting
 
7:47 PM
@SuperHeroY cs conjugated with maths is power itself
 
@Agawa001 yeah, I am good at CS. Now I am trying to be learn maths :P
 
@SamuelYusim out of curiosity, have you heard about geometric group theory/hyperbolic groups?
 
@Hippalectryon Thanks for the help today. Hope to see you around! :D
 
nope
 
@SuperHeroY Glad to help :-)
 
7:54 PM
@Samuel it's pretty cool. do you know about the cayley graph? if $G$ is a finitely presented group with generating set $S$, you can make a graph $\Gamma(G, S)$ out of it as follows
each vertex of $\Gamma$ is associated to an element of $G$
each edge joining vertices of $\Gamma$ correspond to relations of the form $g_1 = sg_2$, where $g_1, g_2$ are the elts the vertices correspond to and $s$ is an elt of $S$
 
yeah, I've seen those
 
but now note that if we choose different generating sets $S, S'$, we get different graphs $\Gamma(G, S)$ and $\Gamma(G, S')$ (i.e., nonisomorphic graphs). e.g., $G = \Bbb Z$, $S = \{\pm 1\}$, $S' = \{\pm 1, \pm 2\}$. $\Gamma(S)$ looks like a long line with vertices sticking at integer intervals.
but $\Gamma(S')$ looks like a crissed-crossed stip.
do you agree?
 
Huy
@SuperHeroY: Say you have some password consisting of $n$ characters out of an alphabet of of $m$ different characters. You want to crack the password. For this, you can choose a string of arbitrary length containing characters of given alphabet. Using this string, you can enter the password as follows: Assume for example the string is "199285" and you know $n=4$. Then, the string will first check whether "9285" works, then whether "9928" works and then whether "1992" works.

What is the shortest possible string which will crack the password?
 
ok. now the cool thing to note is that $\Gamma(S)$ and $\Gamma(S')$ are "coarsely" the same. informally, assume you have a very hazy vision and you're looking at things from a distance. then $\Gamma(S')$, the crissed-crossed strip will look approaximately the same as $\Gamma(S)$, right?
 
Huy
8:00 PM
I meant to ask what the length of the shortest possible string was. Sorry.
 
this idea is formalized by quasi-isometries. if $(X, d)$ and $(X, d')$ are metric spaces, then a quasi-isometric embedding is a map $f : (X, d) \to (X, d')$ such that $1/q \cdot d(x, y) - c \leq d(f(x), f(y)) \leq q \cdot d(x, y) + c$ for some constant $c > 0, q > 0$. quasi-isometries are quasi-isometries embeddings $f: (X, d) \to (X, d')$ which has an inverse which is also a quasi-isometric embedding.
approximately, this can thought off as "an isometry, but upto hazing by a factor of $q$ and stretching by $c$"
now, a quasi-isometry between groups are just quasi-isometries between their cayley graphs, the graphs getting the structure of a metric space by equipping each edge with the length of $1$.
Fact : given any finitely presented group $G$, for any two generating sets $S, S'$, $\Gamma(G, S)$ is quasi-isometric to $\Gamma(G, S')$
cute, eh?
 
that's actually really cool
 
yep. Gromov initiated the program of classifying groups upto quasi-isometry
as you see, quasi-isometry type of the groups is an inherent nature of the group - as choice of the generating set doesn't matter
what's fun now is that hyperbolicity can be defined in certain groups (this is what Gromov did). if $G$ is a finitely presented group, then $\Gamma(G)$ (it's quasi-isometry type, note that i'm omitting the generating set) can actually be given the structure of a geodesic metric space. let me elaborate on this a bit : assume you are starting off with the free group on two gens : $G = F_2$
$\Gamma(F_2)$ then looks like a $4$-tree.
now take any three points on the $4$ tree, say the vertices corresponding to $x$, $x^{-1}$ and $yx^{-1}y$. join each pair of the three vertices with the shortest path available through the edges.
 
I found a really weird thing in Apostol's Analytic Number Theory. I can't resolve it.
 
what you'll get will seem like an extremely deflated version of a triangle -- hey, that's what a hyperbolic triangle is!
indeed, there is a rigorous definition under which a notion of hyperbolicity can be attached to $F_2$. fact : groups quasi-isometric to hyperbolic groups are hyperbolic.
so, in a sense, geometric group theory is a somewhat mixture of geometry, graph theory and group theory. if you love at least two of the three, maybe you'd want to have a peek. just suggesting.
 
8:52 PM
@hippa I don't understand : how can you have
$\int_a^b f(x)\ \ dx\ \ $with $b>a$ ??
 
It depends on $f$. Whether $b>a$ or $b\le a$ is irrelevant btw. $\int_a^b=-\int_b^a$
 
@hippa But I thought related to the definition of the integral, a had to be >=b
Because it's the integral from a to b
 
Nope, $a$ and $b$ don't need to satisfy $a<b$.
 
@hippa Alright
 
Hi @BalarkaSen
just did some cool stuff about Frattini subgroup
its nice object
I got to understand more about maximal subgroups of a group
 
9:08 PM
The only thing I am struggling with is classification of groups using automorphisms/Sylow's theorems
 
9:27 PM
Good morning all.

Lets say we have A = (−∞, 3), B = (−1, ∞)

What will be the cartesian product of A and B?

And in general, how can we show the cartesian product of two intervals?
 
Just write the definition @CanVural
 
Hi @Hippalectryon
How are you these days
 
@morphic o/ I'm fine, and you ?
 
@Hippalectryon Kind of bad
I have to do homework now
 
@morphic :(
 
9:31 PM
I might be forced to quit math because I'm not good enough at it to keep up in a program
 
its crazy rainy
eww air rockets !
 
@Agawa001 www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfP8qHvOUXc
 
@BalarkaSen Grothendieck
 
aaand thunder
plz electricity dont go
 
tu as d'autres exo issus des ens de cette année ? @Hippalectryon
 
9:39 PM
Bien sûr :P tu en veux sur quel sujet ?
 
I have to wonder, this and this question both are seemingly defining what I'm used to as being called $\ell^p$ spaces. Is the notation $\ell^p$ not actually standard? And if not, are there notable examples of who does and who doesn't use that notation?
 
@Hippalectryon, something like, {(x,y) : x < 3, y > -1} ?
 
@CanVural Exactly
 
and of course x,y ∈ R
oh, ok
Is (−∞, 3) \ {2} equals to (−∞, 2) ?
 
no, it's $(-\infty,2)\cup(2,3)$
you remove a single number (namely 2) from the interval
 
9:49 PM
oh right. real numbers
 
10:23 PM
I got a weird question once again. Does euclidean geometry create paradoxes?
 
Sorry, off-topic, but is the site bugged at the moment? I can't add tags to my questions, and my profile seems to have deleted all my previous questions. :(
 
@UserX If you mean "is it consistent", it's as consistent as hyperbolic geometry, etc. One is consistent iff the other is. I don't think there's actually a proof that it is in fact consistent, though.
 
@BalarkaSen Z4 and Z2 x Z2 clearly have different order stats.
(order statistics =/= order)
 
10:54 PM
I had already read that before asking the Q. The question is, basically, are there any paradoxes in euclidean geometry?
 
There are "curious puzzles that challenge intuition", but I don't know of any genuine paradoxes. That would be pretty big news I think.
 
11:49 PM
hi?
 
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