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9:00 AM
@blue I must be missing how to do it since it wasn't spelled out for me; surely it's trivial if $(U\vee V)\wedge(U\vee W)$, but I wasn't sure how it applied when $(U\vee V)\wedge(\neg U\vee W)$
since only the latter exists in my problem
 
$(P\vee \neg Q)\wedge (\neg P\vee Q)$ is of the formu $U\vee(V\wedge W)$....
$U=P\vee \neg Q$, $V=\neg P$ and $W=Q$
 
@blue imageshack.com/i/exP25YAfj is this correct?
 
woops I think I wrote some of my symbols upside down, bleh
long story short, (a+b)(c+d) is of the form x(y+z)
 
oh, you're suggesting I expand it
 
one would simply use the distributive property twice to expand (a+b)(c+d)
@Hello looks so
 
9:08 AM
the nearest answer was .059 so im guessing so
 
after one expansion, I now have for the left side $\forall x, ((x\in A\wedge x \notin B) \vee (x\in B))\wedge ((x\in A\wedge x \notin B)\vee (x \notin A))$
 
do it with P and Q first
then write in all of the \foralls and \ins once you have the whole solution
make things easier
 
@robjohn Today I've managed to get some crazy awesome results. :-)
 
@blue why do you have to multiply by b-a after averaging?
 
@Hello any idea why it's called the "trapezoid" rule? do you know how to compute the area of a trapezoid using the left and right side lengths A and B, and the base length C?
riemann sums are about accumulating areas, after all
 
9:15 AM
yeah but i looked it up and it doesn't say to do that. and in my notebook i just averaged them even if b-a wasn't 1
 
tsk tsk
look at wikipedia
(b-a)*[f(a)+f(b)]/2
 
wikipedia says The average of the left and right Riemann sum is the trapezoidal sum.
 
$((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee Q)\wedge ((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee \neg P)$
and now I'm expanding this again..?
 
@Hello Recall the formula for the area of a trapezoid :-)
 
not really sure why i never did that during class. but i believe you
 
9:21 AM
Replace the rectangles with trapezoids
Does that make mathematical sense?
 
yeah thanks
 
Thanks for asking :-)
 
@blue oh I see you can now make an argument that each of those statements in parenthesis is going to end up being equal to their right hand side counterparts
the argument can be made intuitively
 
@Huy Hey.
 
 
9:28 AM
for a function to be differentiable at a point, its left and right derivatives (the left and right limits defining the derivative) must be equal
what are the left and right derivatives at x=1?
 
Sorry @Hello I'm on mobile right now, I can't :(
 
@blue what is a left and right derivative?
@skullpatrol no problem!
 
@Hello the left and right limits defining the derivative
 
i did. i figured a person explaining it would be easier to understand
 
Approach from the left and approach from the right.
 
9:31 AM
@Hello find the derivative of the first thing, evaluate at 1. find the derivative of the second thing, evaluate at 1.
 
is the derivative 3nx^2?
 
if you look at the graph, usually this doesn't make sense (there may be no derivative at 1, so you can't evaluate), but left and right derivatives make sense so we would technically need to use those if we want to be rigorous.
@Hello that's the first part of it
you forgot about the -x part?
 
@blue were you suggesting I expand it a second time?
 
@GBeau yes
 
@robjohn Do you usually give tea to your dogs? I'm preparing some tea now for them.
 
9:32 AM
oof. -1
 
expand it how? $((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee Q)\wedge ((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee \neg P)$
 
just do things
when you first play an area in a video game, you don't know the map or where you need to go necessarily, in which case one must go exploring. students must apply this same idea to everything - we must explore if we don't already know where to go.
 
f'(x) = 3nx^2 -1 and f'(x) = 2mx @blue
 
@Hello right, now what are those at x=1?
 
I meant, I literally saw no other useful way to expand it
 
9:35 AM
you don't know ahead of time what's useful and what isn't
 
n = 1/3 and m = 0?
 
I'm not convinced it's possible
 
@Hello answer my question first: what are those expressions at x=1?
 
I only note $((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee Q)\equiv P\vee Q$
 
< and <=
like the problem says
 
9:37 AM
which resolves the problem
 
@GBeau well, that works then
 
wait
 
but I was trying to understand what you were getting at
 
what were you saying wasn't possible?
 
what do you mean what are they?
 
9:39 AM
4 mins ago, by Hello
f'(x) = 3nx^2 -1 and f'(x) = 2mx @blue
4 mins ago, by blue
@Hello right, now what are those at x=1?
 
3n-1 and 2m?
 
yes. equate those and solve for n
 
I don't see how any set of distributive expansions of $((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee Q)\wedge ((P\wedge \neg Q)\vee \neg P)$ could produce a set that can be made like the set of distributive expansions on the right
 
why n?
 
@Hello the problem asks "what is $n$?" does it not?
 
9:40 AM
(2m+1)/3
 
and I mean grammatical set
 
yeah sorry
 
as opposed to mathematical
 
@Hello you also want $f$ to be continuous at $1$; what are $nx^3-x$ and $mx^2+5$ when $x=1$?
 
n-1 and m+5
 
9:43 AM
right, so our two equations are n-1=m+5 and 3n-1=2m. you want to solve for n.
 
why set them equal?
 
we want $f$ to be continuous at $1$; $n1^3-1$ is the limit of $f$ as $x$ approaches $1$ from the left, and $m1^2+5$ is the limit of $f$ as $x$ approaches $1$ from the right, and we need these to be equal if $f$ is to be continuous at $1$
 
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/911685/sum-of-infinite-series-1-2-1-4-1-8.
Do read that one! ^ :D
 
for n i got (2m+1)/3 and m+6
 
@blue could you give an example of one such expansion so I may understand how you suggested?
 
9:50 AM
@GBeau I was suggesting you expand further, but I didn't know if it would pay off or help or not
of course you can keep expanding though
you know that, because you have the distributive property
 
@blue oh I thought you had a goal in mind; at any rate the method I mentioned solves the problem
thanks for your help, I'm heading to sleep!~
 
@Nick Cool.
 
10:09 AM
you there @blue?
 
mmhmm
 
for n i got (2m+1)/3 and m+6
 
okay. continue. have you not solved a pair of linear equations in two variables before?
 
i solve for n in 3n-1=2m and n=(2m+1)/3?
 
if n=(2m+1)/3=m+6 can you continue from there?
you don't know how to solve, say, (2m+1)/3=m+6 ?
 
10:13 AM
solve for what? m?
ok i got -17 than plugged it back in and got -11 for n (which is the answer).
why did you set (2m+1)/3=m+6 equal to each other?
 
math problems are sometimes like sudokus. you see a chance to fill out new information, you take that chance instead of wasting it. here, we have a ripe opportunity to solve for m. which turns out to give us the solution, because we can plug the value for m in to get n
don't waste opportunities to deduce new information
 
yeah. i understand why it works. but i feel like if i was doing this on my own, i wouldn't think to do that
i feel like i'd be making up rules
 
I take it you've never solved a pair of linear equations in two variables before?
the two methods for solving it are elimination and substitution
 
yeah i've done those
in like8th grade
 
this is the substitution method
you essentially just solved for n in terms of m via one of the equations, and plugged it into the other one
 
10:20 AM
Remember math builds on itself @hello
 
also, noticing and utilizing opportunities is hardly making up rules, it's called "following your nose"
 
yeah i did 3((2m+1)/3)+1=2m but it's not -17
-1*
 
Greetings!
 
@Hello why did you do 3((2m+1)/3)+1=2m ???
you have (2m+1)/3=m+6 no?
that's how you solve for m
 
10:22 AM
because n=(2m+1)/3 so i substituted into 3n-1=2m
 
@Hello you plugged it back into itself? that will never ever get you anywhere
 
ooo i was looking at the wrong thing
 
n=(2m+1)/3 and 3n-1=2m are the same fact; you need to use the other fact
 
i thought i was looking at the system of equations
but i was looking at iteself
ok i got -17. what do i plug it into to find n? i just did it before but i totally forgot
 
@rehband Hi
 
10:29 AM
nevermind
 
@Chris'ssis What are you working on today, Chris?
 
@rehband Well, I try to do some generalizations of some old limits and then to continue the work on some of the Ramanujan's results that I want to generalize.
 
@blue I am most tempted to give a Galois theoretic interpretation of the manipulations in polynomial factorizations/root finidings when people claim that these tricks develop by a lot of practice. For example, some guy reduced a general-looking quartic to a quartic with no linear and cubic term via a Tschrinhausen transformation and some other guy claims that this is just an accident.
 
@Chris'ssis why not take a day off and play with your dogs :-)
 
They just don't realize that it happens iff the extension has no cubic element, i.e., order of the galois group is < 24 but not divisible by 3. i.e., either $8$ or $4$.
 
10:32 AM
@Chris'ssis Awesome. Which of Ramanujans results are that?
 
@rehband I cannot share that, sorry. I can only tell you that will shock the world of mathematics at a certain point.
 
@Chris'ssis Of course, no problem. Can't wait :)
 
@blue when finding the min and max, is it der=0?
 
yes
 
@BalarkaSen sounds good.
 
10:35 AM
@skullpatrol I cannot afford that, I need to work hard on my results, I plan to publish an exceptional book, so I try to work as much as I can, less rest, less party. You know, to do such things it's hard since when you're about to create something big, you lose the support of the people you think would support you in such situations.
 
@Hello No.
 
hmm, would a tower of two quadratic extensions be galois automatically?
@Hello yes, like I said earlier. either derivaive=0 or the endpoints of the domain (including behavior at +/-infinity if necessary)
 
@blue What do you mean?
K -- E -- F. Do you mean that K/E and K/F are galois? Or that K/E and E/F are galois?
 
@blue what happens if i get 3 values?
 
@BalarkaSen just wondering aloud if a quartic with no linear/cubic terms can have a degree eight galois group
@Hello you check all of them to see what's an extremum and what isn't
 
10:36 AM
@blue how so?
 
@Hello you check them
 
@blue Yes, it can. $x^4 - x^2 - 1$. It happens iff the Galois groups isn't cyclic and the disc ain't a square.
 
@blue how so?
 
@Hello surely you know how to plug in values and compare the results?
 
@blue into which equation?
@blue the derivative one?
 
10:37 AM
@blue It will happen whenever there is no cubic term and the roots aren't cyclic actually.
 
@Hello the thing we're trying to maximize!!
 
@skullpatrol I'll have that book published at any price, I'll do any sacrifice to get where I wanna get to.
 
@Chris'ssis I love that you follow your dreams with such persistence and sense of urgency
 
@blue so the original?
 
@Hello you should look at a calculus book or take a calculus class
 
10:38 AM
ok @Chris'ssis it was just a suggestion
 
but unfortunately my summer assignment for ap calc is an ap calc exam :/
 
You do not understand what is going on at all, so go and read your calculus textbook instead of asking @blue, @hello.
 
@Hello then learn from a textbook
 
@rehband hehe, yeah, how would this life be without following our dreams? Empty and cold? :-)
 
a chatroom might be good enough to figure out how to do some problems, but it won't help you understand what you're doing or why it works (and that also makes it harder to remember the methods)
 
10:39 AM
Asking @blue question after question in this manner will not help you learn anything, it is just a waste of time @hello
 
@Chris'ssis Eating Cheetos and playing World of Warcraft or something...it would suck! :P
 
@rehband Definitely. :-)
 
@Hello go to the library and have a look at some calculus books :-)
 
@skullpatrol ty for being nice:)
 
or there are probably ap calc exam practice tests and solutions on the internet
 
10:41 AM
@Hello Oh, so I am not nice then, well.
 
@JasperLoy "You do not understand what is going on at all"
 
@Hello Yes. I am just speaking the truth. The truth shall set you free.
 
truth and kindness are not the same thing
 
But don't be blunt
learning is hard
 
@robjohn @r9m A nice limit I just created based upon some amazing generalizations.
$$\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n^2 \log(n)}\sum_{i=2}^{n-2}\sum_{j=2}^{n-2} \frac{\log(j)\log(n-j)}{\sqrt{\log(i) \log(n-i)}}$$
 
10:48 AM
@Chris'ssis should be $1$, right?
 
@robjohn Yes. Did you already get a solution? :D
 
@Chris'ssis Just did it by knowing how slowly log varies.
 
@robjohn Ah, I see.
 
the troll question needs only one more delete vote
 
The perfect calculus texts are Serge Lang's. Reasonable price with lots of content. It is a shame they are not more widely used.
 
10:52 AM
the sum over $j$ is tends to about $n\log(n/2)^2$ and the sum over $i$ to $\frac{n}{\log(n/2)}$ so the whole thing tends to $n^2\log(n/2)\sim n^2\log(n)$
 
@robjohn Yeap.
 
@Chris'ssis I have never given tea to dogs. Did your vet recommend it?
 
@robjohn No, but it's pretty useful for stomach issues in dogs (I know that from an expert that had many dogs).
It really has great results.
@robjohn did you continue the work on math.stackexchange.com/questions/909228/…?
 
Huy
11:17 AM
Hi, @Sawarnik.
 
I wonder if Ramanujan could have found an elementary solution here like me. The proof is absolutely mind-blowing ... :D
 
@Chris'ssis Yes, but the stupid thing is I am having trouble working out $\mathrm{Li}_3\left(\frac12\right)$. I could just copy it from a table, but I want to work it out.
Otherwise, I have a nice proof
 
I see.
 
12:01 PM
@Chris'ssis Heellooow
 
@Alizter Heellooow :-)
 
12:14 PM
@Chris'ssis What are you working on now?
 
@Alizter I'm creating some series. Did you see this one? $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n^2 \log(n)}\sum_{i=2}^{n-2}\sum_{j=2}^{n-2} \frac{\log(j)\log(n-j)}{\sqrt{\log(i) \log(n-i)}}$$
 
hides
Is it safe to come out?
 
@Alizter Yeah ... ;)
 
@Chris'ssis I can barely do the first few excercises in that book. Are you sure this is even worth considering yet?
 
@Alizter hmmm, maybe not now, but a bit later after getting some mor experience. However, it's worth looking at it a bit. Such limits I'll have in my book.
 
12:18 PM
@Chris'ssis Can I be a proof reader for your book?
Not reading proofs like mistakes
 
@Alizter When it's done I'll give a copy for free. ;-)
 
@Chris'ssis I don't have that much money! I can't afford that!
 
@Alizter For free ... No need to pay for it.:-)
 
@Chris'ssis My piggy bank is $\Bbb Q^*$ so I do not have 0 monies :(
 
12:26 PM
@Chris'ssis How do you use big oh notation to solve limits?
@JasperLoy Why are you feeling so blue?
sorry couldn't resist
 
@Alizter The colour has nothing to do with how I feel though. I like blue.
 
I just realised that my avatar is old
perhaps I need a chalkboard and a good camera
 
@Alizter Yes, you can change to blue like me too.
 
it will make me look like i know what i am doing
 
@Alizter Big O notation is very useful while attending some limits, series. The best way is to see some examples.
 
12:29 PM
@Chris'ssis Where can I find them? Wikipedia is close to useless for this.
 
@Alizter $$\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{x-\sin(x)}{x^3}$$
 
@Chris'ssis How would big oh help?
 
@Alizter $$\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{x-(x-x^3/6+\mathbb{O}(x^4))}{x^3}$$ where I considered $\sin(x)$ as a limited expansion.
 
@Chris'ssis Why does it have to be at $x^4$
 
@Alizter You need to read the Taylor series with reminder - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor%27s_theorem
The Big O notation is just a smart style of using the reminder. :-)
 
12:45 PM
@Chris'ssis Do most good analysis cover this?
 
@Alizter Definitely. I love the Big O notation, extremely useful.
 
@Chris'ssis when i get back I will consider getting a good book on analysis
 
Huy
@Chris'ssis: I'm a bit rusty with my calculus but isn't the remainder of order $k+1$ and thus $O(x^6)$? Or am I mistaking something?
 
hello people. what's the name of the formula whereby e.g. 1-x^4 = (1-x) (1+x+x^2+x^3) etc?
 
@topper There is usually no name for it.
 
Huy
12:48 PM
@topper: I think you're referring to polynomial division.
 
haha, okay. it just came up in a solution to a question i'm working on, and i'd like to include it in my notes. i guess i can include it in my exponents section... are there other similar formulas that i should know, in this "family"?
 
Huy
@topper: If you look at the expression on the left hand side as a function $f(x) = 1-x^4$, sometimes you can immediately see some of its zeroes (in this case $f(1) = 0$ and thus $x=1$ is one if its zeroes). Then, you can divide by $(x-1)$ using polynomial division and get the right hand side.
 
@Alizter A good book in number theory also cover big ohs. They are nothing voodoo. Very easy concepts.
Although most NTst use $\sim, \ll, \gg$, little oh and those stuffs instead of $O$.
i.e., Vinogradov notations.
 
@Huy thanks, to be honest it's a bit over my head right now. i'm more at the level of learning common formulas, not proving them - that's for real mathematicians. but thanks for the info :)
 
Huy
@topper: It really doesn't have anything with a proof or something but it is a concept that can be used in a lot of situations. Instead of trying to learn formulas by heart, you should try to understand when and how you can apply this concept. Where I live, it is being taught to pupils in high school at age 14. A lot of people will be overwhelmed at first but if you actually spend some time trying to figure out what's happening, you'll grasp it eventually, I promise.
 
1:01 PM
@Huy Noted, seriously. I wholeheartedly admit I'm trying to do the minimum possible - not to bore you but I'm about to do a second degree in business, and because my first degree in computer science was more than a certain time ago, I'm forced to do prerequisite courses in maths, statistics, and economics. So there isn't really time to get too much into the first principles in this case (as much as I'm aware how bad that may sound)
 
@Huy here you find some info nicely explained - math.columbia.edu/~nironi/taylor2.pdf. At the page 10 you find my expansion in an example.
 
Huy
@topper: Just check out the example on the wikipedia page. Then, try applying it to $(1-x^4) : (1-x)$.
 
Huy
@topper: I have a lot of friends who do not care about any more mathematical background than they really need to know and I respect that and then exactly explain to them how much they really need to know to pass their tests. In your case, I would tell you to study polynomial division - if you think you will encounter more similar problems. It doesn't require any further insight.
@topper: Yes, exactly.
 
@Huy I'll check it out, thanks for not flaming me for taking a pragmatic approach. My last real maths study was nearly 20 years ago gulp
 
Huy
1:04 PM
@topper: I hope you'll pass your exams or whatever you're preparing for.
 
@Huy Thanks, it's a bit touch and go this time - real life got in the way of my preparations, but there's always another chance, it's just that if I don't pass this exam, I can't take certain modules in the MBA until I do pass it. Not the end of the world.
 
Huy
I'm sure you'll be fine though.
@Chris'ssis: I'll check that PDF out later today, thanks!
 
@Huy Welcome ;)
 
1:18 PM
Hey, @Huy. I thought you were on PS4. Yesterday, it seemed as if you were playing FIFA 14 on PS3.
Aug 24 at 20:16, by Huy
@Khallil: By any chance do you have a PS4 and FIFA14?
 
1:51 PM
The nice part is that $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n^2 \log(n)}\sum_{i=2}^{n-2}\sum_{j=2}^{n-2} \frac{\log(j)\log(n-j)}{\sqrt{\log(i) \log(n-i)}} $$ can be entirely computed with the high school tools, in a very elegant way.
 
2:11 PM
Hello,
is $(X,Y)\times [0,1]=(X\times [0,1],Y\times [0,1])$ ?
 
what's (X,Y) mean?
 
a topological pair
 
doesn't look like a set
 
What is a topological pair?
 
$Y\subset X$
(X,Y) is a topological pair if X is a topological space and $Y\subset X$
 
2:19 PM
(X,Y) ain't a set is it?
 
it is not a set
 
so what is (X,Y) x [0,1] supposed to mean?
 
i don't know , i think that there is no comparison between the two
 
you're talking about hatcher's book, and about homotopic maps from (X,Y) to, say, (A,B). yes, in this context, every $f_t$ must still send Y to B; that is, $Y \times [0,1]$ must still be sent to B
 
@MikeMiller you are right , but i find an other prove where the homotopy P is just between i and i' where as f and g are homotopic there is a homotopy h such that $f\circ h=i $ and $g=h\circ i'$
so $P$ is defined from C_n(X)\rightarrow C_n(X\times [0,1])
 
Huy
2:29 PM
@Khallil: I had some friends over and as I only have 2 PS4 controllers but 4 PS3 controllers, we usually play it on PS3 instead.
 
Ah, cool, @Huy!
 
Now in relative homology, I must say that $P : C_n((X,A))\rightarrow C_{p+1} (X\times [0,1],A\times [0,1])$ right ?
@MikeMiller
 
no idea what you're talking about
sorry
 
i just speak about the homotopy in Hatcher's book
 
I wonder why everyone uses Hatcher when Bredon is much better.
 
Huy
2:41 PM
@JasperLoy: Because your opinion is the only right one, obviously?
3
 
Naturally.
 
Thanks.
 
Banana
 
Bredon's book is not well-known because its title is obscure: Topology and Geometry
 
Bredon's book is incredibly well known and its title is not at all obscure.
 
2:45 PM
@MikeMiller I am sorry, I am only a banana.
 
@JasperLoy Be careful, I haven't eaten breakfast yet.
 
I know why people use Hatcher---it's free of charge, lol.
 
3:10 PM
@Chris'ssis Wow that's insane. How is that limit evaluated? May I ask you to recommend me an (easy) exercise from Furdui's book?
 
getting stuck into second derivatives and their implications. i understand that whether the s.d. is greater than or less than zero determines whether we have a local maximum or minimum, but this has to be checked with the table method to determine whether the point is an inflection point? but how can a maximum or minimum not be an inflection? is this when the point we are checking has not already been determined to be a maximum or minimum (by equating the first derivative to zero)?
ah, i think i can answer my own confusion (or make it worse). in $y=x^2)$, we have a minimum. but it's not an inflection i.e. the graph is always "smiley"
sorry, i'll try not to think out loud in here again
 
Huy
@Khallil: Up for some FIFA ?
 
@rehband Try 2.42, 2 without pen and paper when $a_1,.., a_n=1$
 
3:28 PM
Hi,
I have a question;
Can I write the sum as the following:

sum_{i=1}^{L-1}

if L=1 this will be as;

sum_{i=1}^{0}

Is that correct?
Is that OK?
 
@rehband That limit uses a crazy awesome result that I'm going to add to my book. :-)
 
4:12 PM
@Chris'ssis Have you decided on the title?
 
Limits, series, and integrals without tears :D
 
@skullpatrol lollllllll
@JasperLoy It must contain "Limit, series and integrals" + some more :-)
A collection of breathtaking limits, series and integrals
 
@Chris'ssis I advise you to publish with Springer or AMS so that the book will be kept at a reasonable price and also in print.
 
@JasperLoy Yeah, that seems to be the best choice.
 
Hello
 
4:15 PM
Apostol's Calculus costs over 200 USD per volume which is ridiculous.
 
Hello
 
Lang made all his books under Springer before he died.
 
@JasperLoy Well, I don't expect these books will be sold like Agatha Christie's ones. I think many will get a pirate copy from internet. :-)
 
@JasperLoy Wiley sells paperback versions of Apostol in developing countries (like mine) at a very low price
 
@VibhavPant Yes, I know. But sometimes they are of very poor quality, sometimes.
 
4:18 PM
@Chris'ssis Nonsense, your book will be a New York Times Bestseller! :)
 
Hi @robjohn!
 
@JasperLoy Hey there... just packing up my computer for the trip back home.
 
@rehband No, I don't think so. ;)
 
@Chris'ssis I might (and will) sound like an idiot, but which font are you using?
 
I won't be back online until tonight
 
4:19 PM
See you later.
 
I like LaTeX default font which is Computer Modern I think.
 
BBML!!
 
@VibhavPant I didn't start writing the book, but I have all the material needed (some thousands of questions). Many of them are still on paper, they are pretty old ...
 
yeah, Computer Modern (especially the Sans Serif version) is pretty nice
@Chris'ssis oh, good luck then!
 
@Chris'ssis Don't lose them!
I just realised that so many calculus texts are over 200 USD, lol.
 
4:21 PM
@JasperLoy lol
 
lol
 
Problem 2.42 is quite nice indeed
 
@skullpatrol Do you have latex installed on your comp?
 
Not this one.
 
@JasperLoy Whoa, thanks.
 
4:34 PM
Hey @VibhavPant @ParthKohli
 
Ahoy me matie
 
Hello @skull
 
@BalarkaSen Hello.
 
@ParthKohli I've got a problem for you.
Interested?
 
Alright, go ahead.
 
4:38 PM
Let $S$ be a nonempty set of positive nonzero integers such that if $x$ is in $S$ then so is $4x$ and $\lfloor \sqrt{x} \rfloor$. Prove that $S = \Bbb N \setminus \{0\}$
 

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