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11:00 PM
:D
 
I hope that came across as a compliment and not me being some whiny kid.
 
Yes, it came across as a compliment. It made me happy. (Hence :D)
 
Good. I secretly hate how silly you make me feel :P
It's so OBVIOUS /AFTER/ I know what it is.
I hope that's normal.
 
Yes, everything (well, almost everything) is obvious after you learned how to do it.
 
I hope I get better.
Because I feel like a right plank after you give a hint
Anyway enough about me and my feelings, yes @DanielFischer I'm glad you're here.
 
11:08 PM
@AlecTeal Actually, they are very thick, lol.
 
@AlecTeal Actually, they have many pictures.
 
@MrWho You should, from a decent book. Have you ever heard about the prime counting function?
 
@AlecTeal Serge Lang's books.
 
@JasperLoy not for what they are
 
11:08 PM
@BalarkaSen I have heard, not studied.
 
Take for example Undergrad Algebra, Linear Algebra and Intro to differentiable manifolds
 
@AlecTeal Just compare Lang to say Rudin. Now that is thin with no pictures.
 
Probably studied, not sure about the english equivalence.
 
<250 pages
 
@AlecTeal I want to point out that the last is superseded by his Fundamentals of Differential Geometry.
 
11:09 PM
Rudin I find to be a smidge over-rated, he wrote one really good book (analysis) but the complex analysis boo....
Okay @JasperLoy I take it back :P
I also like Protter
BRB shower
 
@AlecTeal Protter's First course in Real Analysis is excellent.
 
I LOVE Rudin's "Introduction to Analysis"
 
Arnol'd hated Rudin
 
I think it is.... it's a thin brown book - VERY good
 
@AlecTeal You mean Principles of Mathematical Analysis.
@AlecTeal That is the softcover edition.
 
11:11 PM
Lacking though, take the intro which covers parts of topology, it doesn't really.... cover it well.
 
Bourbakism
 
That's it, BRB
 
Meh
 
@AlecTeal It is meant to be topology applied to analysis only.
 
@MrWho So you must have heard about prime number theorem?
 
11:11 PM
@BalarkaSen Yeah
 
@AlecTeal The multivariable part is terrible though.
 
@BalarkaSen That's one more reason to love Rudin.
 
@BalarkaSen Arnold's books are worse than Rudin's. A little handwaving here and there.
 
@Chris'ssis You sure the integrand is not $\frac {sin(x)}{x} $?
 
@Daniel I am in sides with Arnol'd. Intuition before rigor.
@JasperLoy Who said that
 
11:12 PM
@MrWho Absolutely.
 
What book
 
@Chris'ssis I crashed, $$\frac {x}{sin(x)} $$
 
@BalarkaSen I.
 
Such accusation.
Much dare
Wow
 
@BalarkaSen Look at his Ordinary Differential Equations. Some geometric arguments are given without the rigorous analytic one.
 
11:13 PM
@MrWho What did you try? Did you look at the integration by parts?
 
I prefer a clear and rigorous exposition. And I firmly consider $0$ a natural number.
 
@JasperLoy I don't know about ODE, but his lectures on topological galois theory was wonderful.
@DanielFischer I don't.
 
I have bought over 100 math books over the years, so I think I have the right to comment a little, lol.
 
$\Bbb N_0$ is the desired monoid if you want to include 0.
 
@DanielFischer Will you be writing any books in future?
 
11:15 PM
$0$ is the most natural of all numbers. The natural state of people is $0$ money, $0$ clue.
 
for heaven's sake that's just an assumption! you can't cover a judge by his book i mean judge a book by it's cover!
 
@JasperLoy I don't know. I'm playing a bit with the thought of writing up the basics of topological vector spaces. But I'm probably too lazy to do it.
 
@Chris'ssis No, I thought it will be solved by advanced techniques
 
@DanielFischer It is my dream to produce, in the distant future, a set of books covering all major branches of mathematics, doing what Bourbaki or Lang tried to do in my own way.
 
I would read these
 
11:19 PM
@AlecTeal Are you an undergraduate?
 
@JasperLoy That's a lot to learn. Bourbaki's strategy seems wise, be more than one person.
 
@DanielFischer I think they have covered too few topics in too great a generality.
 
@JasperLoy currently.... but I'm good at Algebra (I've enjoyed Roman's Algebra - a grad textbook! manly voice
 
@JasperLoy Even then, all major topics is a bit much for one person.
 
@AlecTeal Yes, I saw it too. Very good and fat book.
 
11:20 PM
@MrWho Well, before getting at that point, you need to arrange a bit this integral. :-)
 
@DanielFischer let him try!
 
I'd much rather watch Dennis Bergkamp's goals and assists, than read a mathematical text.
 
@Chris'ssis I've run out of glucose at the moment.
@Chris'ssis Let me grab a bite.
 
@Khallil He's long retired, though, isn't he?
 
@MrWho So you are majoring in physics and not math?
 
11:21 PM
@MrWho OK :-)
 
He is indeed, @DanielFischer. It's a massive shame that I didn't get to watch him when he first came to Arsenal.
 
@JasperLoy Yeah, why do you ask?
 
French mathematics.
 
@JasperLoy Be a mathematician, do physics !
 
I don't want to read anything that defines an algebraic variety using schemes.
 
11:22 PM
@Khallil Well, it may comfort you to learn that I never saw George Best play.
 
@MrWho I lost interest in physics after I realised there is too much math to study without physics.
 
I don't think George Best really has anything on Dennis Bergkamp (or Henry), @DanielFischer.
 
@BalarkaSen Have you read Milne's notes on algebraic geometry?
 
in fact i think it's best to keep the definition of variety far from being rigorous.
@JasperLoy nope
why though?
 
Never mind, I forgot why I asked, lol.
It is Fri here. Sat is my birthday. One more day to turn 33, lol.
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11:26 PM
by dates i recalled. i am not going school tomorrow. yay
 
I am very sad. I have lost the past 7 years doing almost nothing due to my mental illness.
I wonder when I will get out of this hole.
 
you will know when you are ready, my friend :-)
 
@JasperLoy Happy Birth Day To You !!! (in advanced)
 
@Chris'ssis Thanks. Hope your book gets published soon.
 
@JasperLoy and I also have a gift to you! :-)
 
11:28 PM
probably some integral
don't open it!
 
My last creation: Prove that
$$\int_0^1\sqrt{x}\tan^{\large 1/2^2}(2\arctan(x))\tan^{\large 1/2^3}(2^2\arctan(x))\tan^{\large 1/2^4}(2^3\arctan(x))\cdots \ dx = \log(2)$$
 
like i said
 
@BalarkaSen I would think it is the above video, lol.
 
@JasperLoy Yeah :D
@BalarkaSen lollllll :-)
 
@BalarkaSen I would have guessed a limit :D
 
11:30 PM
Do most people wish Happy New Year on Dec 31 or Jan 1?
@Chris'ssis I was actually asking which of the 2 days, lol.
 
00:00 of January the 1st, I would've thought.
 
@JasperLoy I misread, lol. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis But you are right, the question is ambiguous.
 
It is? I thought the question was perfectly clear.
 
The scientists at SETI finally decoded a message which appears to be proof of intelligent life in the universe. Unfortunately, it doesn't make sense: Itu, the Eye-Pie, and won snot.
That's a brilliant one.
 
11:32 PM
@Khallil It can be interpreted the way she did at first.
 
Only if you misinterpret the question.
^_^
 
@BalarkaSen Itu means that in Malay.
 
?
Ah.
However, it's something different in this context
 
The question "Are you male or female?" can be answered in 3 ways: "Male", "Female", and "Yes".
 
$e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0$
 
11:37 PM
I know this one.
 
Haha a Welsh joke
Good one @JasperLoy
 
@Khallil Exactly.
 
Actually, for some people, it might be both or neither, lol.
 
That's quite a good one, @BalarkaSen!
 
Wasn't me. It's borrowed from someone.
 
11:39 PM
I haven't done any set theory today (other than the $A+A$ question from today).
 
did you figure out the cardinality?
 
@Khallil If you are in a good university, doing the course work alone would be sufficient.
 
I haven't even started university yet. I just wanted to learn something relatively new!
I didn't even continue with it, @BalarkaSen.
 
If you are in Cambridge, you won't even have enough time to take all the courses available.
 
Was it $n^2 - n$? (NB: This is a complete guess.)
Oh, I'm not off to Cambridge!
 
11:42 PM
there you go
 
Hahahahahahaha!
 
Wow, that's a lot of kids.
 
@Khallil i think so
 
I don't intend to have any kids even if I get married, lol.
 
Nice. I just figured that for each $x$, there are $n$ $y$ to choose from and there are $n$ $x$, not to mention for each $x$, there is one value $x+y$ which will be the same as the former selection from that $x$.
Meh, I'm tired. I doubt that's even right.
 
11:44 PM
Well, $x + y = y + x$
So you get $n^2 - n$ outright, no?
 
I've not a clue of what you're going on about with this outright business, but it is pretty obvious looking at a few examples.
ب_ب
 
your $A + A$ is just $A \times A$ but with $(x, y)$ identified with $(y, x)$. So just use the inclusion-exclusion business to count $n^2$ ordered pairs with $n$ identifications, thus $n^2 - n$ elts.
This should be patently obvious if you are not as sleepy as a rotten moldy old dishrag.
 
That I am, but it is still pretty obvious apart from the inclusion-exclusion stuff.
I can't remember what it is.
It's got to do with the union and intersection of two sets.
 
i don't see anything like that.
 
So what's the inclusion-exclusion business about?
 
11:55 PM
inclusion exclusion doesn't mean that there'd always be a union and an intersection, you know.
You recall what $A+A$ is?
 
Nope. I don't even know what it is.
Yea, I recall what $A+A$ is.
It's $\{ x+y : x,y \in A \}$.
 
You recall what $A \times A$ is?
 
Yep, it's $\{ (x,y) : x,y \in A \}$.
I understand your method, but I don't understand what you mean by using inclusion-exclusion.
 
Does it make sense to say that the number of elts inside $A + A$ is equal to the number of elts inside $A \times A$, modulo some congruence, like $(x, y) \sim (y, x)$?
@Khallil i mean you include all the stuff you think there is in $A \times A$ and exclude all the stuffs which gets chopped off by the equivalence $\sim$
 
'modulo some congruence' doesn't make much sense, but I understand that if you identify $(x,y)$ with $(y,x)$, there'll be $n$ such cases, so you can remove that from the cardinality of $A \times A$ due to the fact that $x+y = y+x$.
 
11:58 PM
so what're you left with?
 
$n^2 - n$ of course.
 
so $|A + A| = n^2 - n$, done and done.
 
The underlying principle is clear (as day) to me, but the 'modulo blah', 'inclusion blah' stuff isn't familiar.
 

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