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12:03 AM
@N3buchadnezzar yikes, better now i hope?
 
12:38 AM
I can't believe that I've just today gotten the bronze contour-integration badge. I thought I'd done a lot of contour integration. Perhaps I used contour integration on questions not tagged contour-integration.
It's just so fun! :-)
 
Prepare your profile page for silver and gold.
 
@robjohn i do actually like contour integration
i don't like much in the way of all them infinity mathematics but that's a fun kind.
 
 
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3:06 AM
is there a chat room protocol? i mean as part of a comment trail (as in 'continue this discussion in chat'). is the chat meant to be contemporaneous or continued over an extended period of time? (guess my generation.)
 
@copper.hat I don't think there's a protocol, but inevitably one-on-one discussion rooms die quickly
 
thx! i was invited but the convo never even started :-). oh well...
oops, should've added @blue to that last remark!
 
4:04 AM
@copper.hat There are a set of chat guidelines listed in the sidebar. It is pretty free-form, but use of the comment linking helps sort out conversations when many people are talking.
If you hover over someone else's comment, a bent arrow should show up in the lower right corner. Click on that and a link to that comment should be added to your comment
 
@robjohn copper is talking about those one-on-one rooms that start when you click "continue this discussion in chat" in a comment thread on the main site
not this room
 
4:29 AM
@blue Ah, then my comment is pretty useless
 
4:57 AM
@robjohn: i was wondering about the social protocol aspect. even when i im with long-distance family on say skype, i wonder if i should write 'bye' or just leave it hanging in the air. the latter seems the norm, but my need for old-school hang-up-the-phone closure is strong :-).
 
erm @copper.hat? are you there?
 
 
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6:42 AM
@copper.hat sometimes people don't know when others may have to leave the keyboard, so there may be long pauses, or even apparently abrupt interruptions. This seems inevitable in such an asynchronous means of communication such as chat.
@copper.hat people will also enter into a conversation that has ended or paused a long time ago because they read back in the transcript and respond to an old comment.
For example, the comment to which I am replying is 2 hours old :-)
 
I was just going to ask if that's why you were doing that :)
 
@blue That is not why I was doing it, but it did seem very appropriate to mention it.
 
@robjohn thanks! that helps. what is it that you did but didn't mentioned? (just curious)
 
Also, since it may take a while for someone to respond, it is rare that someone will not move to another window to take care of something else. Pinging is the way to get their attention back. Even then, they may have had to leave the keyboard and may not be able to respond for quite a while.
@copper.hat I left the chat, but didn't say "goodbye" when I did. Sometimes it is okay to say "bye" or BBL if you know you are going to be gone for a while, but it is not necessary.
it is up to context what is best to do.
 
@robjohn thanks, i get it! much appreciated and understan how the mechanism here works now!
 
6:51 AM
@copper.hat some of it is simply experience, but don't worry about it too much :-)
 
@robjohn an aha moment for me. thanks a lot!
 
in Tagging, 1 min ago, by Martin Sleziak
has now 28792 questions. So it went down by 400 questions in two days. If all those questions were bumped, than some complaints are certainly justified.
 
@MartinSleziak good point :)
 
Hey, @Chris'ssis I conjectured a limit and I would like your help to prove/disprove it :-) it is $$\lim_{\sigma\to 0} \frac{1}{\sigma} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-x^2/2 \sigma^2} \arcsin \left(1-2\left|\lfloor x\rceil-x\right|\right)\,dx= \sqrt{\frac{\pi}{2}}$$ (it is related to this question of mine; it would be very nice to have a sweet closed form for that integral)
@Chris'ssis I think I found a probabilistic proof of this fact, but I would like to see a direct one.
 
7:06 AM
hi @mixedmath :)
 
@skullpatrol hiya
how goes it?
 
@mixedmath Fine thanks, how about you pal?
 
@skullpatrol I'm sitting, thinking deep thoughts about the meta of MSE
and, for what it's worth, meta.MSE
(different things, right?)
 
also the meta of meta.MSE :D
 
@copper.hat for some reason, I am not getting the audible pings and your message just showed up as a red flag on my SE bar in another window :-)
It took a while
 
7:13 AM
@robjohn testing :)
 
@robjohn Do you have the sound turned on for pings? (The little speaker icon near the "all rooms" button at the top of the side-bar.)
 
@robjohn the other day, someone (maybe Chris's Sister?) was asking you to evaluate limits of sums of things involving binomial coefficients - did you get those?
and if you did, did you do it in chat? (and if so, you don't happen to have a quick link back to where you did it in chat?)
 
@skullpatrol I got that. I seem to be able to reactivate my audible pings (at least temporarily) by holding the shift key while adjusting the volume.
@mixedmath I did them in chat. I can look them up.
 
I just realized I'm the only one who has an actual human face for an avatar in here :-)
 
@skullpatrol what, you don't think I look like this?
 
7:20 AM
at least, that's how he looks when he's happy
 
7:30 AM
@mixedmath Here is a link to a point in the transcript where I explain what I did. The answers to a couple of Chris's sis's questions are around there.
 
@robjohn thanks!
 
7:44 AM
Hi. Off topic: If $f,g:\mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ have limits $L,M$, respectively as $x\to a$, then to show that $f+g $ has limit $L+M$, we use the fact that 1) $\vert (f+g) - (M+L) \vert $ can be written as $\vert (f-L) + (g-M) \vert$ and 2) The triangle inequality. However, what if I replace the absolute value with an arbitrary metric $d$? Is there an analogue to 1) in this case?
 
Probably you would find some analogues in topological groups or topological vector spaces.
If the target space is just a metric space, it is not enough. The metric should be in some sense "compatible" with the binary operation. IIRC continuity of the binary operation should be enough.
This means that $+ \colon \mathbb R\times\mathbb R \to \mathbb R$ should be continuous w.r.t. the metric you are using.
But if you want to discuss this in this generality, I don't see a reason to restrict this to metrics on $\mathbb R$.
 
I was doing an exercise that has the domain n-dimensional space and codomain $\mathbb{R}.$ Now that I think of it the author probably assumed that we should use the standard distance of $\mathbb{R}$ here.
 
@TheSubstitute there are metrics on R in which + is not continuous
 
@robjohn I do think you look like that, combined with this :D
 
Say 200 questions get's retagged a day, then it will only take 12 squared days to retag the 28792 homework questions. Thats like only a third of a year and certainty less than or equal to infinity.
 
8:01 AM
Is infinity equal to infinity?
 
@N3buchadnezzar The majority of those questions are in decent shape; no manual retag is needed. The hw tag will be removed silently and automatically, without a bump.
 
@900sit-upsaday yeah, the problem is the few questions only tagged with homework. But it seems this pool is far smaller than the homework pool. Due to it's nature of being a very vague tag..
 
Is the hw tag for realz going away?
 
y. pls
 
I always thought it was a stupid tag.
 
8:07 AM
@N3buchadnezzar We started with 900+ such questions. A couple hundreds were already retagged or otherwise disposed of. My post here has a SEDE query for them; unfortunately it's updated only once a week.
@5space Yeah, but have you seen and how it's used?
 
@900sit-upsaday Can you see what the mean score is for those questions? (Avreage upvotes)
 
It's pretty much with a different name.
 
what's the opposite of "self-learning"?
"will-you-learn-this-for-me"
:-)
 
I've seen it, but I don't really know "how it's used". But, from my uninformed viewpoint, the self-learning tag is also not so good.
@900sit-upsaday: Sorry, didn't see your second comment.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Those with hw-only? The median score is zero. The mean is positive, but I'd have to download the CSV fiile and calculate in Excel... if you want to know, you can do it...
@N3buchadnezzar There is a significant survivor bias, of course: negatively scored questions are less likely to stay on the site for long. Survival of the fittest...
 
8:13 AM
...just like Darwin said.
 
8:26 AM
@TheSubstitute I think any metric which generates the same topology at the standard metric should work as well.
 
Huy
9:23 AM
I recently came across the following formula and I'm wondering if it holds for all linear operators? $$e^{X+Y} = e^X e^Y e^{-[X,Y]/2}$$
 
@Huy no, the full expansion is the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula
 
Huy
@blue: Under what conditions holds the formula above then?
 
actually it would be the zassenhaus formula
well, [X,[X,Y]]=[Y,[X,Y]]=0 would suffice
 
@William, when I was a grad student taking a course in analytic number theory, a fellow student stopped the professor in mid-proof to ask about a funny-looking symbol on the blackboard. The answer: "It's a 5.
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10:34 AM
3 hours ago, by skullpatrol
I just realized I'm the only one who has an actual human face for an avatar in here :-)
no longer valid^ Hi @DanielFischer :)
 
Hi @skullpatrol.
 
11:19 AM
@N3buchadnezzar Haha
 
 
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12:26 PM
@BalarkaSen Y'all here?
 
2
A: Proving that $E=F\oplus G$ for two given subspaces of $E = \mathbb R^3$

Andrea Mori$F$ has dimension $2$ because it's the $0$-set of a linear form and $G$ has dimension $1$ Since $g$ does not satisfy the equation $x-y+z=0$, $g\notin F$ so that $F\cap G=\{0\}$ and the sum $F+G$ is direct. Finally $\Bbb R^3=F\oplus G$ because $E=\Bbb R^3$ and $F\oplus G$ have both dimension $3$.

Any help here
 
12:41 PM
Hmm
 
I'm looking for another way to prove that or more explanation?
 
Let $x>1$ then
$$
\int_0^x \left\{ \frac{1}{t} \right\}\,\mathrm{d}t
= \int_0^1 \left\{ \frac{1}{t} \right\}\,\mathrm{d}t
+ \int_1^x \frac{1}{t} - 0 \,\mathrm{d}t
= 1 - \gamma + \log x
$$
If $x = 1$ then $\int_0^x \{1/t\} \,\mathrm{d}t = \int_0^1 \{ 1/t \} \mathrm{d}t = 1 - \gamma$
If $x=0$ then the integral is zero and if $0<x<1$ then
$$
\int_0^x \left\{ \frac{1}{t} \right\}\,\mathrm{d}t
= \int_0^1 \left\{ \frac{1}{t} \right\}\,\mathrm{d}t
- \int_x^1 \left\{ \frac{1}{t} \right\}\,\mathrm{d}t
= 1 - \gamma - \int_0^{1/x} \frac{t - \lfloor t \rfloor }{t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t
$$
For the last integral my idea was
$$
\int_0^{1/x} \frac{t - \lfloor t \rfloor }{t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t
= \left( \sum_{n=1}^{\lfloor 1/x \rfloor - 1} \int_{n}^{n+1} \frac{t-n}{t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t\right) + \int_{1/x}^{\lfloor 1/x \rfloor} \frac{t-x}{t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t
$$
Does the last one look okay? I ws a bit unsure about the how to split it up and the plusses and minuses. Eg making sure the intervals are alright
 
12:58 PM
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2:13 PM
What is the difference (if any) between equipotent and equipollent ?
 
2:24 PM
Etymologically or mathematically, @Hippa?
 
@DanielFischer mathematically (both redirects to the same wiki page)
 
@Hippalectryon Mathematically, both mean "equinumerous", two sets are equinumerous/equipotent/equipollent if there exists a bijection between them.
 
@DanielFischer Thanks.
 
De rien.
 
Also, i was once told that some people don't like proofs by contradiction because they didn't quite agree with the axiom of choice. However, it seems to me that the latter is not really linked to it, and that what would conflict with it was whether we accept or not the law of excluded middle. Am I wrong ?
 
2:32 PM
@N3buchadnezzar ?
Heya @Hippa
 
@BalarkaSen Hey :)
 
Yeah, its tertium non datur that is used for proof by contradiction, not choice. But it's not unreasonable that people who reject choice also reject other sensible axioms, hence their problem with proofs by contradiction may be related to their rejection of choice.
 
@BalarkaSen Look abuv
 
@N3buchadnezzar What am I supposed to look at?
 
@BalarkaSen math
 
2:33 PM
@DanielFischer Oh that makes sense
 
@N3buchadnezzar Oh, you mean those integral manipulations? Not my cup of tea.
 
@DanielFischer Have you read André Nicolas' post on meta? He seems quite upset. I hope he doesn't stop posting.
 
@BalarkaSen scribles Balarka Sen on the cup with a marker
eagerly pushes cup of tea towards Balarka
 
@RandomVariable he has been getting upset a lot lately
 
@RandomVariable link?
 
2:37 PM
Hi there! :)
Who is familiar to Hamiltonian groups?
 
@RandomVariable I have, and I would also not like him to quit. But he's taking things a bit far: "I interpret it as systematic deliberate erasure of my work." Puh-leaze!
 
@B.S. Funny. It was a couple of weeks before someone here told me about the property.
 
@BalarkaSen: Do you know them? I am not asking a difficult question about them.
 
Could I have an easy example of an ordered set that is not a lattice ?
 
I only know them, but unfortunately haven't studied them. So I guess I probably can't help you. In any case, you can write down the question @B.S.
 
2:46 PM
@DanielFischer I highly doubt he's being targeted. But considering the number of answers he posts, it might feel like to him that he is being singled out.
 
@BalarkaSen: You know that $Q_8$ is the smallest hamiltonian group. You can construct $Q_8\times\Z_2$ form it and ... and $Q_8\times\Z_n^k$. Since I am not a native one, so what can I call this process from $Q_8$ to $Q_8\times\Z_2$ and ....and $Q_8\times\Z_n^k$. Of course this way IS NOT an extension since this word has its own certain meaning in Group theory. Can I call it expansion? Or?
 
@B.S. Ah, so it's a terminological issue.
I see no reason not to call it an extension. You do have a short exact sequence 1 --> Q_8 --> Q_8 \times Z_2 --> Z_2 --> 1.
 
They say on wiki that the linear order of cardinal numbers is equivalent to the axiom of choice. Can anyone provide a link to this proof ? Or should I ask on MSE ?
 
@BalarkaSen: Thanks for the time and your help. :)
 
@skullpatrol What else has he been upset about?
 
2:54 PM
@RandomVariable some told him how smart he was and wanted to know where he was from
they tried to ping him into chat when he got upset
he said he was deeply offended
Puh-leaze!
 
It's a pity that all my highly upvoted answers are series manipulations. sigh
(I am not complaining)
 
@skullpatrol That seems strange.
 
@BalarkaSen It's a pity that my two most upvoted questions are either from @chris'ssis or from experimental maths :/
 
@Hippalectryon you mean questions
 
@RandomVariable I thought so too...
 
2:57 PM
@BalarkaSen Ah yes typo
@BalarkaSen My most upvoted answer is even dumber
 
luckily i don't answer LHFs
=P
 
@BalarkaSen I usually don't answer at all, it was a concidenence
 
susually ?
 
@BalarkaSen I'm not confident enough in my math level :)
@BalarkaSen Btw in case you know, math.stackexchange.com/questions/884727/…
I only find German papers on that :/
 
I don't know any order theory. Sorry.
I look forward to learn it though
 
3:00 PM
:)
 
@BalarkaSen I thought you didn't care about upvotes.
 
@RandomVariable I don't.
 
@BalarkaSen My most highly upvoted answer is too. I even thought it was particularly uninteresting as I was writing it.
 
@RandomVariable But integral and series manipulations are one of the branches of math that i dislike the most.
 
@BalarkaSen Is there a difference between manipulation and evaluation?
 
3:04 PM
@RandomVariable Yes, there kinda is. You can evaluate certain sums easily by CAS. Deriving them by hand is harder.
@AntonioVargas Wow! This is your highly upvoted answer and this is mine. The OPs are so similar!
 
@BalarkaSen Hahaha wow, that's awesome.
People like harmonic numbers, I guess.
 
I don't. Hates Euler sums.
I learned this technique from some guys in a forum. So I thought I might as well write it up.
Personally, I am much fond of my second highly upvoted answer. I came up with it all by myself (though my technique is not quite very formal, unlike the technique of the guy whose answer got accepted)
 
@BalarkaSen Speaking of Euler sums, do you know what happened to Shobhit? He has stopped posting on that forum.
 
@RandomVariable Dunno. His last post in MSE is July 9th (Integral & Series = Shobhit, I guess)
 
@BalarkaSen That is pretty cool.
 
3:19 PM
@AntonioVargas I am being immodest, but it kinda is =P.
OK, I gotta run.
 
@BalarkaSen Later.
 
later pal
@RandomVariable Evaluation is computing a value, while manipulation is moving expressions around.
 
@skullpatrol Often you need to manipulate in order to evaluate.
 
true dat
it makes it easier
computationally
but normally the term "transform" is used instead of "manipulate"
 
3:46 PM
@DanielFischer Is $f(z)= \frac{1}{\sqrt[n]{1-z^{n}}}$ single-valued on the complex plane if you omit the line segments that extend from the origin to the nth roots of unity?
 
@RandomVariable Look at $g(w) = \sqrt[n]{w^n-1}$ on $G = \mathbb{C}\setminus \{ r\cdot e^{2\pi ik/n} : r \geqslant 1, 0 \leqslant k < n\}$. $G$ is simply connected, and $w^n-1$ has no zero in $G$, hence there are $n$ branches of $g$ on $G$. Now you can take $f(z) = \frac{1}{z\cdot g(1/z)}$. For each of the branches of $g$ on $G$, you have a single-valued branch of $f$.
Also: $1-z^n$ attains the value $\infty$ with multiplicity $n$ at $\infty$, hence $\infty$ is not a branch point of $\sqrt[n]{1-z^n}$.
(And, adding $\infty$ to your domain, we get a simply connected domain.)
 
4:03 PM
Is there a name for 'groups' that only have a neutral element on the right and an inverse for each element on the right ?
 
@Hippalectryon, lopsided?
 
@AntonioVargas We'd call that a lopsided group ?
 
@Hippalectryon Just joking :)
 
Ah ok xD
@AntonioVargas I'll ask on MSE
 
@DanielFischer So then $ \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{\sqrt[n]{1-x^{n}}} \ dx$ could be evaluated by using a contour that consists of small circles around the nth roots of unity attached to the origin by two line segments (one below the cut and one above the cut)?
 
4:12 PM
@RandomVariable Unless cancellation destroys it. Looking at $n = 2$, it shouldn't.
 
@DanielFischer The case $n=2$ is a standard problem in many textbooks. But someone asked a few days ago about evaluating the general case using contour integration.
 
I think it ought to work.
 
@RandomVariable it's simpler to use the Beta function for that integral, though.
 
@robjohn I know. But it's not nearly as interesting.
 
@robjohn What is $\int_0^x \{1/t\} \,\mathrm{d}t$ for $0<x<1$ ?
 
4:21 PM
$$\frac1n\int_0^1x^{1/n-1}(1-x)^{1/n}\,\mathrm{d}x=\frac1n\mathrm{B}(1/n,(n+1)/n‌​)$$
@N3buchadnezzar I have computed the integral over $[0,1]$. I will look into that one.
 
@robjohn thanks
 
@robjohn Someone asked specifically about evaluating it using contour integration.
 
@RandomVariable hmm... the integral is $\frac{\Gamma\left(\frac1n\right)^2}{2n\Gamma\left(\frac1{2n}\right)}$. It would need reduce back to something like the Beta integral
 
I'm evidently just being stupid, but why is the function here math.stackexchange.com/a/191901/39568 injective?
I guess the proof will be similar to showing that there are n extensions of an automorphism, a, of F to an automorphism of K that agrees with a on F, where n is the degree of the field extension of K over F.
The above is not quite true, but it's obvious which theorem I'm referring to.
 
@robjohn I think it should be $\frac1n\mathrm{B}(1/n,(n-1)/n‌​)$. Then you can use the reflection formula.
 
4:37 PM
@RandomVariable I will check my work, but I don't think it works that nicely.
 
@robjohn The integral evaluates to $ \frac{\pi}{n\sin\frac{\pi}{n}}$.
 
@RandomVariable Ah... I brought the $(1-x)^{-1/n}$ forward as $(1-x)^{1/n}$... Correcting that, I get $$\frac1n\int_0^1x^{1/n-1}(1-x)^{-1/n}\,\mathrm{d}x =\frac1n\mathrm{B}(1/n,1-1/n) =\frac{\pi}{n\sin(\pi/n)}$$
@RandomVariable However, I have a contour integration solution using a contour integral in one of my answers...
 
@robjohn Did you use that contour I described?
 
@RandomVariable no I changed variables, and used a much simpler contour. I am writing things up.
 
@robjohn Someone posted an answer in that thread in which they first make a substitution. math.stackexchange.com/questions/882216/…
 
4:53 PM
@RandomVariable let me see if they are using $x=\frac{z}{(1+z^n)^{1/n}}$
Ah, they don't... perhaps I will finish this and post an answer :-)
 
@Hippalectryon Essentially, those conditions are equivalent to being a group.
 
@BalarkaSen Not if they're 'crossed'
 
Crossed?
 
neutral elt on the left, inverse on the right
 
yeah, not that, right.
darn internet connection
@Alyosha Look at the kernel
 
5:12 PM
@RandomVariable There... I have posted my answer. It uses a keyhole contour
 
Anyone know about some interesting properties of $$x_1 x_2 + x_2 x_3 + x_3 x_4 + x_4 x_5 + x_5 x_1 = x_1 x_3 + x_3 x_5 + x_5 x_2 + x_2 x_4 + x_4 x_1$$ realized over $\Bbb P^5$?
 
hi @robjohn, @Balarka, méchant @Hippa
 
@TedShifrin >:C
 
Ah, here's the person I have been looking for.
 
No, he's not here.
 
5:21 PM
Hello @TedShifrin
 
@TedShifrin aloha
 
@TedShifrin good day, or whatever :-)
 
back on the east coast, @robjohn, but still on CA time :P
hi @n3b
 
@TedShifrin the best time is had in CA :-)
 
@TedShifrin Do you know anything about that surface I wrote above?
 
5:22 PM
@BalarkaSen I was trying to do it without using the fact that it was a group homomorphism, perhaps stupidly, but thanks.
 
@Alyosha Sometimes, it's better to look at the fibres over the identity than searching for an elt which has a doubled fibre.
 
elt?
 
element.
@MatsGranvik Did you get my message?
 
@BalarkaSen From yesterday yes.
Clear[n, s, y, z]
z = Integrate[((s + 1)^(n - 1) + s - 1)/s, s]
Monitor[Table[Limit[z, s -> 0], {n, -12, -1}], n]

gives the Harmonic numbers
 
I don't read mathematica codes, sorry.
 
5:27 PM
I will latex it for you.
$$z=\int \frac{(s+1)^{n-1}+s-1}{s} \, ds$$

$$H_n = \lim_{s\to 0} \, z$$

for $n = -1,-2,-3,-4,-5,..$ where $H_n$ is a harmonic number.
 
@TedShifrin Do 'groups' where the neutral elt is defined for the right only and the inverse for the left only have any name/properties ?
 
@Hippalectryon Not a group.
@MatsGranvik As I said, the similarity would probably boil down to the similarity of $\sigma_{-1}(n)$ and $H_n$
 
@BalarkaSen Yes I know yesterday formula was only fluffy nonsense. But the integral is more fun.
 
@Balarka: You mean surface in $\Bbb P^4$?
@Hippa: This is not the sort of math I ever care about.
 
@TedShifrin $\Bbb P^4$, yes.
 
5:35 PM
I'd have to work on it, @Balarka, and I'm just back (literally) from travelling for 2+ weeks. I have to check if those two quadric hypersurfaces intersect transversely and see if there's a group action. One can use adjunction formulas, etc., to figure out a lot of stuff about complete intersections.
 
@TedShifrin I am not asking you to think about it right now! Just saying' since there might be a connection with this stuff.
 
Ah, not sure what I could figure out from algebraic geometry would even be interesting to you ...
 
geometric algebraic geometry. not algebraic algebraic geometry.
i gotta run.
 
@TedShifrin You who understand French a bit ... is that line ok, anf if so where is the 2nd $H$ gone ? $(x + H) + (y + H) = (x + y) + H$ from theorem 1.3.7 here denis.monasse.free.fr/livre-html/coursse3.html#x7-150001.3
 
That's the point, @Hippa. That's how addition is defined in the quotient group. For example, let $G=\Bbb Z$ and $H=6\Bbb Z\subset G$. To add $1+H$ and $3+H$ you get $4+H$. This means that if you add any representative of $1+H$ (i.e., any number whose remainder when divided by $6$ is $1$) and any representative of $3+H$, you get numbers whose remainders are $4$ when divided by $6$.
Grumph at "a bit" @Hippa.
 
5:45 PM
@TedShifrin No offense :) Thanks
 
Heya @Ted. I'm "a bit" happy to see you back here.
 
Thanks for the generous spirit, @DanielF :)
 
6:03 PM
@robjohn I'd still like to see an evaluation using that contour I described. That's what I attempted to do a couple of days ago, and what I think the OP would like to see. But I don't seem to have the value of $f(z)$ above and below the cuts quite right.
 
What does Mathematica use as integration limits if you don't specify any?
 
6:20 PM
Smooth reputation number now. 1800.
 
6:30 PM
@MatsGranvik It should just return an indefinite integral
 
@robjohn That is what I thought also. But there is some trouble with not knowing the integration limits at my question on main.
@robjohn If Mathematica knows how to arrive at the analytic form for the Harmonic Numbers, can I post it as an answer?
 
@MatsGranvik does it represent them using the digamma function or an infinite sum?
 
@robjohn PolyGamma and Euler constant and reciprocal of n.
 
@MatsGranvik Yeah, $H_n=\psi(n+1)+\gamma=\psi(n)+\frac1n+\gamma$
 
@robjohn yes exactly like that.
 
6:41 PM
There is also $H_n=\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty\left(\frac1k-\frac1{k+n}\right)$ which relates to the previous forms
@MatsGranvik They should all be listed as known in Wikipedia
 
Is it correct that $KL$ is the set of all sums of products of elements in $K$ and $L$?
 
6:57 PM
@Alyosha if K is a left ideal and L a right ideal and you're forming the two-sided ideal KL, yes
 
7:08 PM
Fields, and we're forming the smallest field containing both $K$ and $L$.
 
ah the compositum. then yes as well.
 
The compositum.
 
it always helps to actually explain what your letters are referring to, as opposed to expecting your readers to read your mind
 
I suppose it's bvious
 
well, actually no
that only works if K,L are algebraic over some common field I think
for instance if K=C(T) and L=C(S) then the element 1/(T+S) cannot be written as a sum of products of the form f(T)g(S)
where T,S are algebraically independent transcendentals over C
 
7:13 PM
Anyone can redirect this to PSE ? math.stackexchange.com/questions/884948/…
 
hi @blue @turtle @anon :)
 
@blue It's probably worth banging out the proof then.
 
7:32 PM
@robjohn Speaking of harmonic numbers, is it well known that a closed-form expression for the alternating harmonic numbers (i.e., $H_{n}^{-} = \sum_{k=1}^{n} \frac{(-1)^{k-1}}{k}) $ is $H_{n}^{-} = \frac{(-1)^{n-1}}{2} \left[\psi \left(\frac{n+2}{2}\right) - \psi \left( \frac{n+1}{2}\right) \right] + \log2 $ ?
 
7:43 PM
I stumbled upon it recently. But I imagine it is very well-known.
 
@RandomVariable It is not hard to verify using the form I gave above $H_n=\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty\left(\frac1k-\frac1{k+n}\right)$
and the other formula I gave above $H_n=\psi(n+1)+\gamma$
 
@robjohn In my case it popped out when deriving an integral representation of the alternating harmonic numbers.
 
8:01 PM
@RandomVariable There is also $H_n^-=H_n-H_{\lfloor n/2\rfloor}$, which, if used with the formulas above, should give your formula
 
@robjohn I still sometimes get startled from that noise when someone pings you. I almost spilled my drink. :-)
 
I turn my volume down if that happens...
 
8:57 PM
How do you ping someone here?
 
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