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12:03 AM
@AntonioVargas Yes, this one.
 
@900sit-upsaday Awesome, thanks.
 
@ian yes, please!
 
12:36 AM
i really don't understand why that post hasn't been deleted yet
 
@Semiclassical let's stop feeding the troll. A chicken image can't be that harmful.
 
yeah, and we're really just bumping it up to the top every time we try to stomp it down
 
Exactly. Let's wait
 
hopefully peter will figure that out too. myself I'm tempted to start doing hw de-tagging to help drive him off the first active page, except that puts other questions in the crossfire.
 
@robjohn @ArthurFischer are you there?
 
12:47 AM
@IanMateus yes
 
@robjohn please clean this up
 
probably the best thing we could do right now is try to give an actual answer to the question that was posted. as it is that person's just caught in the middle.
 
@IanMateus Santa Claus has been destroyed.
 
@robjohn thank you very much. There's still another image, though. :-(
 
we really owe GratefulGuest a good answer now :/
 
12:58 AM
@IanMateus If it is offensive, flag it. If it is otherwise wrong (which it is), downvote, vote to delete or close...
@IanMateus it does not answer the question... I will convert to a comment.
@IanMateus nah.. I deleted it
 
@robjohn :P
 
@robjohn I wonder whether there is any way to refrain this user from making new accounts.
 
are there IP bans? not that it's a foolproof defense, but it'd be something
 
It is now protected... Congrats everyone
 
1:04 AM
phew
 
@robjohn thank you for your support.
 
@IanMateus There is also a Samta Claus 3. I have notified a Community Manager. I have to go out for a while, but let me know if that account posts spam, too.
 
@robjohn ok :-) thanks!
 
1:36 AM
Heya, quick question, how do I get the centroid of the region after getting the area of the region? (Space is in 2D).
Specifically, I don't understand the concept of moment here: tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/CenterOfMass.aspx
 
1:51 AM
@IanMateus Has Santa been quiet?
 
@robjohn I didn't spot anything (the site was even in read-only mode and down for a while)
 
@IanMateus Yeah, they said it would be for a while.
 
2:40 AM
Hi @PedroTamaroff how are the Americanos treating you so far :-)
 
@skullpatrol Quite nicely.
Where is @TedShifrin?
 
dunno, haven't seen him for awhile
 
 
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4:00 AM
hello,everyone
 
@chinamath, use the fact all integer numbers are divisible by 1 and then finish with polignac
 
@Bananarama,hello,I can't understand your answer
 
Are you familiar with the fact all integers are divisible by 1?
@chinamath
I'm sorry I have to go, I'll be back 2 morrow
have a nice time for the next 20 hours or so
 
4:15 AM
Thank you all the same
 
 
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6:56 AM
@chinamath $$\int_0^1 x^x \sin^2\left(\frac{\pi}{2}x\right) \ dx \le\frac{5}{12}$$
Thank you.
2
 
Hi Professor @TedShifrin @PedroTamaroff was looking for you earlier.
Btw have you read this?
 
 
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9:17 AM
Hi @MarcGravell nice to see one of the original owners here :-)
 
r9m
9:54 AM
@Chris'ssis You evil sis .. :P (unless its coincidence or a misunderstanding from my part :P)
 
@Chris'ssis Haha
But that problem i can't. thanks.
@blue So the entire OP got deleted?
 
are you talking about the galois thing?
 
yeah
 
then yes
 
glad to hear that. it is almost impossible to improve a question with a stubborn OP with nonstandard terms and author wanting examples for everything.
@blue, so, have you thought of a proof without Hilbert's irreducibility theorem? I wrote in the comments that I suspect one proof goes by noting that $x^n - x - 1$ has galois group the whole symmetry group.
but i am absolutely not sure how i can prove that
 
10:06 AM
for num fields? nope.
 
@blue D'you think that $x^n - x - 1$ idea is plausible?
 
dunno
where are you in the world
you seem most talkative right when I'm about to conk out :P
 
heh. in india.
it's about 3:30 pm here. what's it in there?
 
5am
 
get sleep.
i have verified that $x^n - x- 1$ has galois group $S_n$ for $n \leq 11$.
PARI doesn't support galois group for higher polys. Sigh
 
10:09 AM
my memory tells me there was something on MSE or KCd's blurbs about this
 
Yes, @blue, get some rest, but before that help a poor man: math.stackexchange.com/questions/882905/…
:)
 
 
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1:24 PM
This one is pretty cute & fun :-)$$\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{(n+2)(n+5)\cdots (4n-1)}{(n+1)(n+4)\cdots(4n-2)}$$
(no need for taking any log)
 
@Chris'ssis Btw could I have the solution to $\underset{n\to\infty}{\lim} \sum\limits_{k=0}^n\dfrac{1}{\binom{2014+k}{2014}}$ ?
 
@Hippalectryon you only need to use a basic identity I posted here in the past.
 
@Chris'ssis Ah true i'll try again then and if i haven't found by tomorrow i'll ask again :)
 
@Hippalectryon OK. What do you think about my last limit?
 
@Chris'ssis That I have no clue how to do it, but that it looks cool
 
1:32 PM
@Hippalectryon It's marvellous (a rare gem). :-)
 
Btw i'll share that IMO problem in case you haven't seen it yet : Prove that you can choose $2k$ numbers from the set $\{1, 2, 3, …, 3k−1\}$ in such a way that the chosen set contains no averages of any two of its elements.
It might even possible (?) to choose $(3^k-1)/2$ of those elements (except for k=1)
 
1:51 PM
Urm i'm seeing some false problem here, where am I wrong ? (typing the problem below)
sorry my connection went down
I saw $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\int_{\frac{1}{k+1}}^{\frac{1}{k}} f \left(\left\{1/x\right\}\right) \frac{ \mathrm{d}x}{1-x} = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \int_{k}^{k+1} f \left(\left\{ u \right\}\right) \: \frac{\mathrm{d} u}{u(u-1)} $
But if i take $u=1/x$ then for me $du=d(1/x)=-\frac{dx}{x^2}$
 
$$\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{\displaystyle \binom{4n}{2n}}{\displaystyle 4^n \binom{2n}{n}}$$ No need for Stirling, no need for Gamma function or other special functions.
No need for central binomial coefficient approximation.
 
2:12 PM
hello, I was helping my sister with her algebra class, and the professor in the conference said that 0^0 = undefined, I learned in college many years ago that the convention is 0^0 = 1, I would like tell the professor that he has to update his knowledge, but where can I find a valid reference to prove the convention, Is there any some of official guide or standard that I can show to the professor
 
0^0 has no meaning
 
-3^2 + 0^0 = 9 following the professor direction
for me is 10
 
r9m
holidays over :( .. suffering from high fever + a 28+ hr journey back to uni .. :| .. dang
 
-3^2 = -9 by definition
0^0 = 1 only if you define it that way
you cannot PROVE a convention
 
Uh sorry for earlier my connection totally crashed
 
2:24 PM
ok, then if the professor said that 0^0 is undefined I have to follow what he say
ye should be (-3)^2 = 9
 
good plan :)
 
2:43 PM
Now I got a doubt (-3)^2 + 0^0 where 0^0 is undefined, how can I handle that sum, for example in programming undefined throw an error undefined is <> 0
(-3)^2 + 0^0 = undefined???
 
yes, if 0^0 is undefined
 
yes
you can not add anything to "undefined"
 
ok, thanks
 
thanks for asking
 
I'm still having trouble with $\int_{\frac{1}{k+1}}^{\frac{1}{k}}
f \left(\1/x}\right) \frac{ \mathrm{d}x}{1-x} \\
=\int_{k}^{k+1} f \left(u\right) \: \frac{\mathrm{d} u}{u(u-1)}$ :/
I believe we do integration by substitutuin 'reversed' but
It was $\int_{\frac{1}{k+1}}^{\frac{1}{k}}
f \left(1/x\right) \frac{ \mathrm{d}x}{1-x}
=\int_{k}^{k+1} f \left(u \right) \: \frac{\mathrm{d} u}{u(u-1)}$
If i have $\phi(x)=1/x$ then $\int_{\frac{1}{k+1}}^{\frac{1}{k}}
f \left(1/x\right) \frac{ \mathrm{d}x}{1-x}
=\int_{\phi(k+1)}^{\phi(k)}
f \left(\phi(x)\right) \frac{ \mathrm{d}x}{1-x}$
How do we get to the other end ?
 
3:01 PM
@EmilioGort try reading this
 
@skullpatrol the comment thread?
 
@EmilioGort robjohn's answer is excellent imo
 
yes good
 
so "undefined" it is, until you define it :-)
 
yes, I got it..thanks, is for convinience
 
3:13 PM
@skullpatrol can you help me with my substitution ?
 
does anyone have any suggestions: stackoverflow.com/questions/17951024/…
 
until the professor define it
 
@Hippalectryon ask on the main site :)
 
@skullpatrol You really think it's worth a full MSE question ?
 
sure, why not?
you're here to learn right?
 
3:15 PM
Uhm i thought it was just a trivial matter that could be solved here :)
 
3:59 PM
Hi @AlexanderGruber have you seen the new beta site for mods?
 
@skullpatrol Yeah I was just looking at it.
i don't really see anything useful (for me, anyway) on there yet but it looks pretty promising.
 
Come join the fun :D

 The Town Hall

General discussion for the Community Building Q/A site at comm...
@AlexanderGruber over 9,000 hours later... Well that was fun :(
 
@skullpatrol Yeah that's some pretty stimulating discussion in there. :p
 
maybe the "y'all" was too southern for them
blue bloods
 
@skullpatrol yankee mods
 
4:14 PM
yep
like you said it does look promising
 
HERRO
 
hi pal
 
4:32 PM
@PedroTamaroff hey there buddy
 
@skullpatrol hello @AlexanderGruber
 
@PedroTamaroff how's it hangin?
 
@AlexanderGruber It's amazingly chilly here.
 
@PedroTamaroff it's like 200 out today. i literally live in a swamp. my life sucks.
 
@AlexanderGruber poor thing
Really?
 
4:36 PM
Hello
 
Hi @Pedro @Alex
 
Hi @Ted.
@PedroTamaroff yeah
Gainesville is ecologically classified as swampland
There are alligators here.
 
quick sand too?
 
@TedShifrin Hey!
 
4:37 PM
@skullpatrol Yeah evidently some people's houses collapse into the ground
 
I don't know if you said you emailed me or something. I didn't get anything.
 
and are just like, eaten
 
The eastern heat wave came to CA too, but now it's "normal" except for horrific drought.
 
@Pedro are you going to be in the states soon?
 
Who emailed you @Pedro?
 
4:38 PM
@AlexanderGruber I'm in NJ right now.
 
@TedShifrin is it humid in CA?
@PedroTamaroff Oh nice. how long are you around for?
 
@TedShifrin I thought you said you emailed me. But I think I was wrong.
 
No, @Alex. Humidity is reserved for FL and GA
 
@AlexanderGruber Up to August the 20th.
 
nice, that's a ways
 
4:39 PM
 
No, @Pedro, I never said any such thing. Having fun in NJ/NY?
 
@TedShifrin Yes, I was telling Alex it is pretty chilly.
 
Chilly would be better for tennis.
 
I was meaning to talk to you to set up the last details of our meeting.
Hehe, that last sentence sounded too formal.
 
I'll be flying back home tonight, @Pedro.
 
4:40 PM
Ah, cool.
 
Assuming my car is still there and starts, I should be home by 2 am :(
@Alex: You getting lots of studying done for quals?
 
@TedShifrin not lately. I'm trying to relax a bit before the year starts.
 
Back any better?
 
it's pretty much the same.
 
Damn. :(
 
4:45 PM
@AlexanderGruber maybe wrestling with them gators will help strength your back, just kidding pal :D
 
@skullpatrol that's more of a triceps exercise.
 
@AlexanderGruber are you doing any back exercises?
 
Bubye, guys ... Have a good day!
 
Hi & bye Professor.
 
@skullpatrol yeah, i deadlift twice a week.
 
4:52 PM
@TedShifrin Ted!
Wait.
Are you there?
 
cya ted
 
@AlexanderGruber seriously? how much weight do you use?
 
@skullpatrol only about 150 since my injury
 
@AlexanderGruber lower back?
 
@skullpatrol herniated disc in my neck and in my mid-back
somebody rear ended me pretty good last october
 
4:57 PM
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
@AlexanderGruber Football players suffer from alot of neck injuries, maybe you can find a physiotherapist who specializes in their treatment.
 
Going now @Pedro
 
@TedShifrin I was wondering if we could then swap some phones or something.
 
Email me, @Pedro. We'll do that tomorrow!
 
OK. Have a good trip.
!
 
Tanx!
 
5:04 PM
@skullpatrol yeah i'm going to one who is pretty good
the neck one just isn't really healing right, it feels good to go there but i'm not sure if it's actually helping the healing process
i just try to stay away from stuff that pulls on it too ahrd
 
that's the best plan
give it time
and plenty of rest
29 mins ago, by Alexander Gruber
@TedShifrin not lately. I'm trying to relax a bit before the year starts.
:-)
@AlexanderGruber Actually have you thought about staying away from the gym completely, giving your entire body a rest; until your neck starts feeling better?
I have found that injuries start to heal faster that way.
 
5:27 PM
@skullpatrol i start to get depressed if i don't go
but, i don't stress the injured places (at least not very much).
 
you should not stress them at all
 
mostly i've been doing abs and legs
i have a little imbalance where my hamstrings are weaker than my hip flexors and i've been trying to correct that
the back and neck aren't getting too much play there. my PT says what i'm doing is good for them.
 
if you don't start feeling better soon find another PT
 
6:28 PM
@AlexanderGruber in my opinion^
 
6:51 PM
@AlexanderGruber I was able to strain my entire arm a few or so back :p Eg hand, wrist, shoulder and upper arm
 
7:03 PM
too much rubiks cube one handed :p
 
interesting...
 
 
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8:14 PM
@Chris'ssis Interested by $\int_0^\infty\dfrac{\ln(1+x^2)}{x^2+x\cos(\theta)+1}$ ?
 
$++x\cos(\theta)$, what does the $++$ mean?
 
@cirpis It means my keyboard derped
 
@Hippalectryon It looks like an easy question.
 
@Chris'ssis :C
@Chris'ssis If it's that easy, can you make a one line solution ?
@Chris'ssis I gtg now, if you can find an (easy) way to prove the result it would be great (it's from sos440's blog sos440.tistory.com/189). If you don't have the time it's ok, but if you do find something for me ping me here so that i get notified on MSE's banner :)
 
8:35 PM
@Hippalectryon OK. One question: can you solve the first problem on that post by methods of real analysis without touching the dilogarithm function?
I did that by beta function combined with Euler sums.
@Hippalectryon As regards this one, I might think to firstly analyze things over [0,1] and use a simple fact like the one below ...
 
Table[Sum[
Limit[((s + 1)*(-1)^(n/k*2) + s - 1)/s/2, s -> 0]^-1, {k, 1,
n}], {n, 1, 32}]
 
9:27 PM
@MatsGranvik
I have no reason to believe that this indicates some deep connection between the divisor function and the sigma function. What you are saying is essentially that $\sigma_{-1}(n)$ and $H_n$ "looks alike" (one is the divisor sum of reciprocal of integers upto $n$ and one is just the usual sum)
 
10:06 PM
@MatsGranvik what is $(-1)^{2n/k}$ when $2n/k$ is not an integer?
 
$\exp (2\pi in/k)$, probably.
 
@DanielFischer okay... that would be the logical guess, but I don't think that gives the values listed in the question.
 
@robjohn It does, I think. If $k$ doesn't divide $n$, the term in the parenthesis tends to $\infty$ for $s\to 0$. The reciprocal thus tends to $0$ then.
 
@DanielFischer Oh... I see.
 
Sort of an overly complicated Iverson bracket.
 
10:14 PM
indeed. there seem to be a few of those in number theory
@Chris'ssis I get $\frac1{\sqrt2}$, but how would you do it without Stirling or something like it?
I used the asymptotic $\binom{2n}{n}\sim\frac{4^n}{\sqrt{\pi n}}$
@Chris'ssis I get $4^{1/3}$
 
10:32 PM
@robjohn Yeah, this is the answer - $1/\sqrt{2}$
 
@Chris'ssis But how did you do it without something like Stirling?
 
@robjohn I cleverly used the squeeze theorem.
 
@Chris'ssis what are you squeezing?
 
@robjohn this one $$\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{(2n+1)(2n+3)\cdots (4n-1)}{(2n+2)(2n+4)\cdots (4n)}$$
 
@Chris'ssis which gives $\sqrt{\frac24}$
 
10:38 PM
In fact, we can start out with $$\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{(2n+1)(2n+3)\cdots (4n-1)(4n+1)}{(2n)(2n+2)(2n+4)\cdots (4n)}$$ and to compute this limit we may square it and then use the inequality $n(n+2)<(n+1)^2$
@robjohn Yeah, it's correct.
 
@Chris'ssis These can be seen as applications of Gautschi's Inequality, as can the $4^{1/3}$ problem, as well
 
Then we have that $$\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{(2n+1)(2n+3)\cdots (4n-1)(4n+1)}{(2n)(2n+2)(2n+4)\cdots (4n)}=\sqrt{2}$$
Then, by using this one, we get the desired limit.
@robjohn Well, this way is absolutely elementary.
The art of math :D
@robjohn It's amazing that this question can be brought to the high school level. I'm sure many uni students would be in trouble with this one.
@robjohn This is a technique I learned from a book by Ovidiu Furdui meant for the students in the first year (polytechnic university)
 
@Chris'ssis The way I did the other problem was by writing $$\frac{\left(\frac{n+2}{3}\right) \left(\frac{n+2}{3}+1\right) \left(\frac{n+2}{3}+2\right) \dots\left(\frac{n+2}{3}+n-1\right)} {\left(\frac{n+1}{3}\right) \left(\frac{n+1}{3}+1\right) \left(\frac{n+1}{3}+2\right) \dots\left(\frac{n+1}{3}+n-1\right)}$$
noting that by increasing $n$ by $3$, the denominator is increased by a factor of $4$
 
@Chris'ssis Why not Stirling? Makes life much easier.
 
Then note that the numerator is the denominator with $n\mapsto n+1$
@BalarkaSen never mind.
 
10:51 PM
@robjohn which problem?
?
i don't recall having done anything lately in MSE that involved binomial estimates
 
@robjohn I see.
 
@Chris'ssis I've done that enough to know that we can bound that on either side using convexity and get that increasing $n$ by $1$ gives $4^{1/3}$
 
@robjohn actually, that technique is pretty old and it was developed many years ago by a Romanian mathematician. There is a generalization related to these limits.
 
@Chris'ssis It is all very similar to the idea of Gautschi :-) exploiting convexity
 
@robjohn It's fantastic. :-)
 

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