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1:03 AM
Hello friends.
 
1:20 AM
Hi @AWertheim
 
2:10 AM
waza
Why hasn't pedro been on the chat lately?
 
 
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3:59 AM
@Balarka extending by logarithms? bwuh? was dat mean? :3
 
 
3 hours later…
7:14 AM
Greetings
@robjohn to avoid further complications, we can simply consider $$\int_0^{1} \left\{\dfrac1{x+1}\right\} \left\{\dfrac1{x}\right\} \left\{\dfrac1{1-x}\right\}\ dx$$
@robjohn it's a very nice series you shouldn't miss. :-)
 
 
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8:27 AM
Hello,@robjohn,and everyone
@Chris'ssis,hello,It is said you are interesting "integral, sum and series, can you see this problem? [math.stackexchange.com/questions/880295/…
Thank you
 
8:47 AM
Does anyone know a website where you can get Maclane's cateogories cheaply?
 
 
1 hour later…
9:48 AM
@AndrewG There are 2 sensible interpretations. First, by choosing your base field to be C(z) and define a function field of logarithm over C(z), i.e., take the closure by including transcendentals log(z), log(z+1), log(z)+z, etc. This is called C(z, log). [For C, however, you cannot extend (C is it's own logarithmic closure) but "de-extend" by taking the subfields which are logarithmically closed, i.e., log(k) \in F whenever k \in F and take the intersection of those fields]
Second, by equipping your base field with a differential operator D(u+v) = Du + Dv and D(uv) = uDv + vDu, u and v \in F. Take F to be C(z) and D the usual differentiation. You can have a simple transcendental extension K over C(z) generated by some x such that Dx = Dz/z. This is the "so-called" differential logarithmic extension.
 
Huy
Let $H^0 = (H^0)^*$ and $H^1 = (H^1)^*$ be linear, self-adjoint operators and let $E^0$ be an isolated eigenvalue of $H^0$. Let $E_k^1$ be the eigenvalues of $H^1$. How can I immediately see, that $$H^0+ \varepsilon H^1$$ has exactly the eigenvalues $E_k = E^0 + \varepsilon E_k^1$ for $\varepsilon > 0$?
 
@AndrewG But in this context, I was suggesting Alizter do the second.
 
Huy
I also know that the eigenspace corresponding to $E^0$ is finitely dimensional, but I'm not sure if that is necessary.
 
10:25 AM
@blue Strong law of small numbers played an april fool joke again.
 
mmhmm
 
You're close to 10k, @blue
Another 1k and you'll be done.
@blue Have you seen my proof of irrationality of e?
 
nope
 
i found it while fiddling with hypergeometric functions. of course, i am aware of the proof of irrationality by the continued fraction by Cohn
 
hmm, rational numbers only have periodic continued fractions, even among nonsimple ones?
 
10:37 AM
yes.
wait, no, now that i think of it, i am not sure about simplicity fact
@blue can you think of a quick counterexample?
 
@r9m Nice! I think I can do it without the discrete case
 
r9m
@G.T.R sure :)
 
@BalarkaSen no. I think you can turn it into a simple continued fraction by moving the denominators down (or perhaps more care is needed), but with rational numbers (and the rational implies periodic fact I only know for integer entries)
 
i am not at all sure whether it holds for rational entries.
hmmm
@blue how about $\sqrt{2}$?
 
what about it?
 
10:46 AM
the continued fraction is nonsimple periodic, no?
 
the question is whether a rational can have a nonperiodic nonsimple continued fraction, not whether an irrational can have a periodic nonsimple continued fraction
actually among simple continued fractions, rationals have finite, not periodic, expansions
 
yeah
in fact only quadratic algebraics have periodic continued fractions.
 
@r9m do you know proofathon.org ?
 
so that should essentially imply that $[\Bbb Q(e) : \Bbb Q] > 2$
hmm
i should get on the safe side and edit in only the case of $x = 1$ and finiteness.
 
11:09 AM
@Alizter Hey
 
@r9m I have something nice for you
If $r\ge1$ and $a_1\ge a_2 \ge \cdots \ge a_n \ge0$, then prove that

$$\left(\sum_{n=1}^N (-1)^{n+1} a_n\right)^r \le \sum_{n=1}^N (-1)^{n+1} a_n^r$$
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis I know that baby :D
 
@r9m how would you do it?
 
@BalarkaSen hey
 
r9m
@G.T.R sorry I was afk ... 1st time hearing about it .. what is it about ? :)
 
11:16 AM
it's basically weekly online olympiad-like math challenges @r9m see proofathon.org/Contests/Sequences_and_Series_1.pdf
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis the case $r=2$ is easy ... I will have to think a bit for $r > 1$ though
 
@r9m OK :D
 
@Alizter had luck with your construction of F(R)?
 
@BalarkaSen I just woke up let me have a look
 
r9m
@G.T.R oh ! nice problems :D !!
 
11:18 AM
@Alizter wait you went to sleep almost like 12 hours before.
 
@r9m you have to sign up to submit your solutions (Latex formatting) and they get rated by supervisors
 
@BalarkaSen Probabally
I enjoy my rest.
OK so obviously I dreamt about this so I have some new idea
 
r9m
@G.T.R okay !! :)
 
@G.T.R olympiad problems. ugh
 
Also, tell me if you get a nice proof for the first problem ! I have one by induction but the computations are awful @r9m
 
11:21 AM
If we look at $\hat {\Bbb C}$ as the set of all (mostly) holomorphic functions. We could look at it as the fullest extension. So we need to strip it down.
 
@Alizter notation notation
 
r9m
@G.T.R okay sure :)
 
@BalarkaSen what do you have against elementary but hard mathematics ?
 
@BalarkaSen What is a better one to use?
 
$\hat{\Bbb C}$ usually means $\Bbb C \cup \{\infty\}$
@G.T.R those stuff aren't deep. not even natural.
 
11:23 AM
what about $\{\mathcal F \Bbb C\}$
 
OK, @Alizter. When you mean holomorphic, you must have a domain, right?
what is le domain?
 
$\Bbb C$
OK lets just look at functions with completely holomorphic over $\Bbb C$ basically the ones with boring contour integrals.
 
$\log$ is not holomorphic in there, so it's probably very boring.
 
@BalarkaSen We need to create a basic field so we can extend it
 
@Alizter Why not $\Bbb C(z)$? Holomorphic functions on $\Bbb C \cup \{\infty\}$, i.e.
The simplest extension you can have.
It's even natural to think about the rational functions and then extend by other operators.
 
11:27 AM
OK we will start with that however i wanted it to be closed under diff
because this time we are going to have that as an ioperator
 
@Alizter $\Bbb C(z)$ is closed under diff
differentiating rational function gives rational functions
 
@BalarkaSen I am trying to remember why $\Bbb C(z)$ was rational funcitons
 
@Alizter What is your definition of C(z)?
 
ah okay it is not an extension but just a denotion?
 
no, it is an extension.
Take C. Consider the ring C[z] with some transcendental z. Consider the fraction field of C[z].
That is, C(z) is a simple transcendental extension of C.
 
11:30 AM
ok so what other operation we need along with diff?
I say addition
 
@Alizter what operations?
 
And i think we have a field
wait what am I talking about?
 
yes, C(z) is closed under addition and multiplication
 
diff cannot be binary
slap slap slap
 
adding rational function gives rationals and multiplying rationals gives rationals
 
11:32 AM
@BalarkaSen OK addition and multiplication is fine its just I forgot what I was doing agian.
 
OK, so your differential field is (C(z), +, x, D). D defined as the usual differential operator satisfying D(u + v) = Du + Dv and D(uv) = u Dv + v Du
 
@BalarkaSen I have no idea what differential fields are?
great
sorry @BalarkaSen I am probabally wasting your time
 
@Alizter i gave a name to your construction
 
Huy
Let $H^0 = (H^0)^*$ and $H^1 = (H^1)^*$ be linear, self-adjoint operators and let $E^0$ be an isolated eigenvalue of $H^0$. Let $E_k^1$ be the eigenvalues of $H^1$. How can I immediately see, that $$H^0+ \varepsilon H^1$$ has exactly the eigenvalues $E_k = E^0 + \varepsilon E_k^1$ for $\varepsilon > 0$? I also know that the eigenspace corresponding to $E^0$ is finitely dimensional, but I'm not sure if that is necessary. @DanielFischer: Can you maybe help me, please?
 
@Alizter let's call C(z) equipped with D a differential field. any problem?
 
11:35 AM
Ok ok lets carry on
Now trivial extension
 
trivial extension?
 
$\Bbb C(z, a)$ for any $a\in\Bbb C$
 
@Alizter C(z, a) = C(z)
 
Exactly trivial
 
a nontrivial extension is C(z, exp). The differential operator is defined as D(exp(t)) = exp(t) Dt
This is precisely the field of holomorphic functions over C you were talking about
 
11:38 AM
@BalarkaSen I have literally typed that exact same sentance I am about to press enter and you post it :)
 
@Huy I don't think that's true. If you for example look at two projections onto different subspaces, it is not so.
 
Huy
@DanielFischer: You speak German, right?
 
@BalarkaSen OK this is a good extension lets study
 
@Huy Sometimes. At the moment, I'm eating, not speaking.
 
Huy
11:39 AM
enjoy your meal
 
'n paar Stullen, nix besonderes.
 
Huy
@DanielFischer: http://www.itp.phys.ethz.ch/education/hs13/QMI/qm
In chapter 6.1, look at the perturbance (6.2) and the statement afterwards.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the statement or overlooking some preconditions?
 
@Alizter wait no. C(z, exp) is not entirely consisting of entire functions, as a field.
as a ring, every function is entire
 
Maybe poles at zero don't matter?
 
@Alizter exp(z) has no poles in C.
 
11:42 AM
in case we consider log
 
log is not entire.
 
@BalarkaSen I am not that stupid
forget log on with exp
 
@Alizter log(z) is holomorphic only at C with the negative reals chucked out
i am talking of a precise branch, ps.
 
shudders
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis I came across a nice inequality: for distinct positive integers $\{a_i\}_{i=1}^n$, such that the $2^n$ sums $\displaystyle \sum\limits_{i} \epsilon_i a_i$, ($\epsilon_i = 0 \textrm{ or } 1$) are distinct .. show that $\displaystyle\sum\limits_{i=1}^n \dfrac{1}{a_i} < 2$ :)
 
11:48 AM
What is $\operatorname{Gal}(\Bbb C(z, \exp)|\Bbb C(z))$
@BalarkaSen
 
@Huy That's specifically for the trivial example $H^0 = E^0\cdot \mathbf{1}$. It's meant to illustrate that generally the single eigenvalue $E^0$ splits under perturbances. In the special case where $H^0$ is a multiple of the identity, you have the eigenvalues of $H^1$, multiplied by $\varepsilon$, and shifted by $E_0$. Generally, it's not as easy, and the following treats the general case.
 
hello
 
Huy
@DanielFischer: I see. I am not quite sure how to justify the trivial example though. Thinking of finite dimensions, I like to diagonalise matrices and directly see the eigenvalues. The two matrices $H^0$ and $H^1$ are simultaneously diagonalisable and thus we can add the eigenvalues like stated. How can I justify this for operators on infinitely dimensional spaces?
 
12:04 PM
@Huy For a multiple of the identity, nothing changes when looking at the infinite-dimensional case. Generally, even in the finite-dimensional case, $H^0$ and $H^1$ are only simultaneously diagonalisable if they commute. If they commute, you're back in the trivial case, since the eigenspaces of $H^0$ are $H^1$-invariant, and you look at the restriction to an eigenspace of $H^0$. If they don't commute, and that is the general situation, it is simply far more complicated.
Then the eigenspace of $H^0$ is not $H^0 + \varepsilon H^1$-invariant (for $\varepsilon\neq 0$). But, the eigenvectors of $H^0$ are, for small $\lvert\varepsilon\rvert$, almost eigenvectors of $H^0+\varepsilon H^1$.
So one "expects" that the true eigenvectors are close to those of $H^0$, and the eigenvalues are close to $E^0$.
 
Huy
I see.
One more question: Right above equation (6.3), there is an expansion $$(H^0+\varepsilon H^1 - E^0 - \varepsilon E_k^1 - \varepsilon^2 E_k^2 - \dots) ( \psi_k^0 + \varepsilon \psi_k^1 + \varepsilon^2 \psi_k^2 + \dots) = 0.$$ This notion slightly confuses me: $H^0, H^1$ are the operators and $E^0, E_k^1$ the respective eigenvalues. Now what exactly is $E_k^2$? Is this supposed to mean $(E_k^1)^2$? Also, what about the $\psi$s? What is $\psi_k^0$, what is $\psi_k^1$ and $\psi_k^2$?
Are these the eigenvectors of $\varepsilon H^1$ to the power of $0,1,2, \dots$?
@DanielFischer
 
Hello. Off topic: What does a polydisc look like? For example, if $D(0,r_i)$ is an open disk in the plane centered at $0$ with radius $r_i$, then how do I visualize the Cartesian product $D(0,r_1)\times D(0,r_2)$?
 
@Huy The idea is that the eigenvalues depend on $\varepsilon$ (they evidently do), and that they have expansions $$E_k(\varepsilon) = E^0 + \varepsilon\cdot E^1_k + \varepsilon^2E^2_k + \varepsilon^3 E^3_k + \dotsc\,.$$ The superscripts on $E^m_k$ are just indices, but the first order coefficient $E^1_k$ is the same as the eigenvalue of $H^1$ (I don't know for sure whether that's necessarily true, but seems reasonable enough).
Then in $H^0 + \varepsilon H^1 - E^0 - \varepsilon E^1_k - \varepsilon^2 E^2_k - \dotsc$, the $E^m_k$ stand for $E^m_k\cdot \mathbb{1}$.
Analogously for the $\psi_k$, it is assumed that the eigenvectors $\psi_k(\varepsilon)$ to the eigenvalue $E_k(\varepsilon)$ have expansions as power series in $\varepsilon$, and the $\psi^m_k$ are the coefficients of that series.
 
Huy
12:23 PM
I see, that sounds plausible. Still rather messy notion, in my opinion. Thanks for your time.
 
1:04 PM
@Alizter Classically, the galois group is not defined. So maybe you have something else in your mind?
 
1:25 PM
@Alizter It is not quite natural to look at galois groups in the classical sense here. The differential structure doesn't interact at all.
Hint : Look at differential equations instead of polynomial equations.
 
@BalarkaSen Yes I realise now.
However i have actually little to no idea how differential equations work and how to solve them
I will start to learn soon though
 
Yes, learn them and come back to this idea.
 
@BalarkaSen As I said, It was jibberish.
 
It is not jibberish.
This is the so-called theory of Liouville you are getting at
 
No the stuff I wrote down
eh maybe
anyway
@Chris'ssis
 
1:28 PM
@Alizter Liouville used this to prove, for example, that $\int \exp(x^2) dx$ is nonelementary
 
@BalarkaSen Hmm yes diff galois theory. I fear though, if I try and being to learn it I will neglect other mathematics. So I will try when I am confident and ready.
@Chris'ssis $\displaystyle \int_0^1\int_0^1\int_0^1\left\{ \frac1{x+y+z-xyz}\right\}\mathrm dx\, \mathrm dy\,\mathrm dz$
 
@Alizter As you wish.
Personally, I have never seriously learned differential galois theory though what I am studying now is essentially right up it's alley.
 
@Chris'ssis Also consider $\displaystyle I(\alpha)= \int_0^1\int_0^1\int_0^1\left\{ \frac1{x^\alpha+y^\alpha+z^\alpha-xyz}\right\}\mathrm dx\, \mathrm dy\,\mathrm dz$
 
And diff galois theory is loads better than the integrals and series mathematics you are doing.
 
@BalarkaSen I enjoy it ;)
I find this stuff fascinating.
And algebra
 
1:32 PM
Fascinating, but not serious.
Algebra is serious.
 
Why so serious?
 
@Alizter I stick to natural stuffs. These integrals, they appear from nowhere with no context.
 
What happened to the plant in the math class?
 
@skullpatrol plant?
 
yes, plant
 
1:33 PM
Why does studying Mathematics have to hurt so much? I Love it very passionately but I can't remember the last day I studied it without feeling like a f**king idiot for at least 20 minutes :/

*Sigh*
 
@BalarkaSen a riddle/joke
 
@skullpatrol I like riddles.
 
@Shaun Don't feel like an idiot. An idiot is somebody less smarter than everybody else. Everyone feels the same way in reality. Therefore you are not an idiot.
 
@Shaun Learning new things is hard work.
 
@Shaun Being an idiot is good. Ask lots of questions to yourself rather than showing off that you're smart. Seriously, it'd help later on.
6
What the hell does Pedro's starred comment even mean?
 
1:37 PM
@Shaun And making logical connections to the old things you already know is most of the work.
5 mins ago, by skullpatrol
What happened to the plant in the math class?
 
@skullpatrol I dunno.
 
It grew square roots :D
 
Heh. Nice.
 
r9m
:P lol
 
@r9m Classic : What does an analytic number theorist say when he is drowning?
 
1:43 PM
I know, I know,...
 
A : "Log-log, log-log, log-log, ... "
 
r9m
?
:P lol
 
Thank you :)

For a bit of context I spent most of the last week making progress with some computer programme to answer some question in Semigroup Theory, only to find today that I made a stupid mistake early on that ruined it all. I'm back to square one.

So yeah, that sucks . . .

I just wanted to express myself. I feel better now :)
 
The worst I've heard is about a topologist looking at the ground with a hole in it.
 
1:47 PM
What does the zero say to the eight?
 
r9m
@BalarkaSen ? what does he do ?
 
@r9m Google it. It's on mathoverflow.
 
r9m
okay
nasty one :|
 
heh
 
@BalarkaSen Pedro was expressing his concern with your statement by asking whether or not you were intoxicated.
 
1:51 PM
Nice belt
 
@skullpatrol haha
 
I personally love the 3rd one.
 
why remove?
I didn't finish reading the 3rd one.
9 mins ago, by skullpatrol
Nice belt
 
@Alizter You put the cannons on me :D
Joking ... interesting questions.
;)
 
2:19 PM
Hi, probably a weird question. If I put a notation page in the beginning of my thesis, should I define these concepts in the text later anyway?
 
@Chris'ssis For the case $\alpha = 2$ it is suspiciously near $\gamma$
 
@Alizter By the way, did you finalize the solution to $\log(\pi)$ problem? Work on it since it's very nice ...
@Alizter Is it $\gamma$?
 
@Chris'ssis I am not sure. It is suspiciously close by numerical integration but it could be gamma with numerical errors or not even close.
WHO KNOWS?
@Chris'ssis I think I have an interesting way to deal with 0 to 2
for my nice one that is
@Chris'ssis Which definition of fractional part to use
for negative
 
2:42 PM
@Alizter $\{x\}=x-\lfloor x \rfloor$
 
sgood
@Chris'ssis I found a way that is really elementary :)
 
@Alizter Great! :-) Share it?
 
@Chris'ssis Let me finish it off :)
 
2:55 PM
Gotta love it when the most upvoted answer is the only one that's wrong.
 
@DanielFischer Does it happen to be short and sweet?
 
@Alizter Not really. It's just a wrong computation without any words (well, except HINT).
 
@Chris'ssis Hmm all very elementary until the last step.
$\int_{-1}^1\frac{\mathrm dw}w$
greaat
However this does kind of imply that integral should be log pi
Time to whip out the contours
 
3:16 PM
@Chris'ssis heeelllp
 
Hi everyone
 
@Alizter I don't know what you did there ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_principal_value
 
@DanielFischer Do you remember the question I asked regarding the convergence of characteristic functions?
 
@Chris'ssis Shall I run down?
Ok begin with $\displaystyle \int_0^2 \left\{\dfrac1{x+1}\right\}\left\{\dfrac1{x-1}\right\}\mathrm dx$
 
@LucioD The one with $\chi_{O_i^m} \to \frac{1}{2}\chi_O$ in the weak$^\ast$ topology?
 
3:21 PM
For $0<x<2$ we have $0<\frac1{x+1}<1$ right?
So then $\displaystyle \int_{-1}^1\frac1{u+2}\left\{\frac1u\right\}du$
when u=x-1
@Chris'ssis fine up to here?
So I let 1/u=t
 
Yes that one @DanielFischer You gave a definition of the dyadic squares $A = \prod (c_i,d_i)$ such that $o^m_{1,2} \cap A$ takes up exactly half of $A$ or nothing if $A$ doesn't meet $O$.
Don't know if you remember the post I am referring to.
 
$\displaystyle -\int_{-1}^1\frac{\{t\}}{t(2t+1)}dt$
 
Roughly, @LucioD.
 
@Chris'ssis
 
I am referring to this post. To show the last part of the proof in the post where you show that $\int gf_{m} = \int \frac{1}{2}\int g$ I used the fact that for large $m$ $o^m_{1,2} \cap A$ takes up exactly half of $A$.
@DanielFischer I showed this idea, you said it was fine I think...kind of.
@DanielFischer Do you know how to show how the linear span of these characteristic functions on dyadic squares $A$ is norm dense in $O$?
 
3:32 PM
@LucioD In $L^1(O)$, not in $O$. The best method depends on what you already know. If you already know that $C_c(O)$ is dense in $L^1(O)$, the simplest way is to use that fact.
 
@Alizter you cannot simply let the variable change $1/u=t$. You have an issue on that integration interval.
 
Damn
@Chris'ssis What is issue?
 
@Alizter see the point $u=0$
 
Why does this have to be so ann
oying
wait
 
@DanielFischer Just trying to find something.
 
3:36 PM
@Chris'ssis my next step was to split the integral up into two parts. if I do that now It might work.
 
@LucioD Do you know that $C_c(O)$ is dense in $L^1(O)$?
 
@Chris'ssis Ahh I found a way around it thank you :)
 
@DanielFischer I know that$ $C_c(R^n)$ is dense in $L^{1}(R^n)$.
 
Anybody know how to fix the comments in this question - I made a typo in a comment, and they are all displaying horribly ever since, with "edit" and "delete" buttons "underneath" the links on the right. math.stackexchange.com/questions/880637/…
 
@Alizter did you figure out what I meant?
 
3:41 PM
@Chris'ssis Yes. I will split the integral up instead
I am really sloppy when it comes to defined points in my interval
 
Good enough, @LucioD. You can obtain the denseness of $C_c(O)$ in $L^1(O)$ from that, but we don't need that. You know that you have a canonical embedding $L^1(O) \hookrightarrow L^1(\mathbb{R}^n)$ by extending the function by setting it to $0$ outside $O$. So fix $f\in L^1(O)$, and $\varepsilon > 0$. Let $\tilde{f}$ be the trivial extension of $f$ to all of $\mathbb{R}^n$. Pick a $g\in C_c(\mathbb{R}^n)$ with $\lVert \tilde{f} - g\rVert_{L^1} < \varepsilon/2$.
 
Can somebody flag my second comment on this question for deleting - I can't delete it, and it is breaking the formatting. math.stackexchange.com/questions/880637/…
 
@Chris'ssis Once the undefined point is at the end of the intervalcan I sub t=1/u?
@ThomasAndrews Why don't you go into F12 and delete the links client side and press edit or just find the edit link in F12?
 
@ThomasAndrews Are you on a mac?
 
3:45 PM
Yes.
 
Ok forget everything I just said.
Its pretty brocken.
 
@Alizter I refer at the integral in $u$. That one you can split it.
 
@Chris'ssis So before subbing t=1/u I split the integral into -1 to 0 and 0 to 1
and deal with those spererately
 
@DanielFischer That all seems fine but why are you doing that?
 
@Alizter Yes. The rest is a piece of cake.
 
3:48 PM
Now, @Lucio, $g$ is uniformly continuous, so there is a $\delta > 0$ such that $\lvert x-y\rvert < \delta \implies \lvert g(x) - g(y)\rvert < \frac{\varepsilon}{2\cdot m(O)}$. Then choose your dyadic cubes so small that their diameter is smaller than $\delta$ (sidelength $< \delta/\sqrt{n}$), and set $ = \sum g(x_i) \chi_{A_i}$, where $\{A_i\}$ is a partition of $O$ into disjoint small dyadic cubes.
Then you have $$\sup_{x\in O} \lvert g(x) - h(x)\rvert \leqslant \frac{\varepsilon}{2\cdot m(O)},$$ and that implies $\lVert g-h\rVert_{L^1(O)} \leqslant \frac{\varepsilon}{2}$.
 
Will I be ready for an introductory course in manifolds with good grades in the following subjects?: Calc 1, 2, 3, Lin. Alg, Abs. Alg, Disc. Math, Topology
 
Therefore $$\lVert f-h\rVert_{L^1(O)} \leqslant \lVert f-g\rVert_{L^1(O)} + \lVert g-h\rVert_{L^1(O)} \leqslant \lVert \tilde{f} - g\rVert_{L^1(\mathbb{R}^n)} + \lVert g-h\rVert_{L^1(O)} \leqslant \frac{\varepsilon}{2} + \frac{\varepsilon}{2}.$$
 
@DanielFischer What is $ = \sum g(x_i) \chi_{A_i}$ in your second last message, you didnt label.
its $h$.
 
@LucioD Right, $h$.
 
3:55 PM
Duty calls. Little sister wants to watch my little pony with me and is doing begging faces must go.
 
@DanielFischer Are you still taking the dyadic cubes to be defined as $A= \prod (c_{i}, d_{i})$ where $d_{i}-c_{i} = 2^{-k}\cdot R$ where $c_{i} = x_{i} + n \cdot 2^{-k }R$?
 
@LucioD Yes. (But that $x_i$ is not the same as in the definition of $h$)
The point is that a uniformly continuous function does not change much on a small cube, and therefore it can be well approximated by functions that are constant on small enough cubes.
 
Oh okay I see that's nice. Could one simply define the disjoint dyadic cubes as "disjoint cubes contained in O of side length 2^-k for some k"?
@DanielFischer As a consequence then of the density of L^1 I guess you could say that they too do not change much on a small enough cube.
 
@LucioD Then you can in general not exhaust all of $O$ with finitely many cubes. That makes things a bit more complicated. It's easier if you take $2^{-k}$ times the side length of the big cube.
@LucioD For general $L^1$ functions, that is only true "except on sets of arbitrarily small measure".
If we take $n = 1$, and a function with a jump discontinuity, that changes much on every small interval containing the jump in its interior. But you can make that interval as small as you like.
Dinnertime, bbl.
 
4:10 PM
@DanielFischer Okay thanks for the help, will try to revise.
 
4:31 PM
My third necromancer badge. Yes.
 
@robjohn,and other frends,I have analysis problem
let $f$ is derivative on $[0,+\infty)$, if such $\lim_{x\to+\infty}
let $f$ is derivative on $[0,+\infty)$, if such $\lim_{x\to+\infty}\left([f'(x)]^2+f^3(x)\right)=0, show that $\lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=\lim_{x\to\infty}f'(x)=0$
 
@Alizter
 
@BalarkaSen
 
@Alizter Consider Gal(K/F) as group of F-automorphisms of K preserving the differentiation instead of just F-automorphisms of K.
 
4:45 PM
hmm
Something like laplace transform?
 
i.e., if $\sigma$ is in Gal(K/F) then $\sigma(x + y) = \sigma(x) + \sigma(y)$, $\sigma(xy) = \sigma(x)\sigma(y)$, $\sigma(1) = 1$ and $\sigma(f') = (\sigma(f))'$
 
Ah so a stricter automorhpism
 
@Alizter Yes.
 
So laplace transform?
 
Is there anyone here familiar with undergraduate courses in manifolds?
 
4:46 PM
@Alizter what about it?
 
That would be an iso
wait no
 
forget the real analysis, concentrate on algebra.
just giving pieces of hints for you to think about. i'm off.
 
ok bye
@BalarkaSen
 
@DanielFischer The proof looks good so far, everything follows. One question, the dyadic cubes as was previously defined as $A = \prod (c_i,d_i)$, where $d_i-c_i = 2^{-k} \cdot R$ for some $k$ and all $i$ and $c_i = x_i + n\cdot 2^{-k}R$. Everything seems fixed there, what exactly changes to produce many cubes. $x_i$ is the center of the cube, $R$ is the length of $O$, $n$ is the dimension of $\mathbb{R}$ and $k$ is chosen to be fixed. Seems like that just defines how to produce one cube.
 
let $f$ is derivative on $[0,+\infty)$, if such $$\lim_{x\to+\infty}\left([f'(x)]^2+f^3(x)\right)=0$$, show that $$\lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)=\lim_{x\to\infty}f'(x)=0$$ can you someone see this problem?
 
5:00 PM
If $f:(0,\infty)^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$, find the maximum of
$$f(x,y)=\frac{x y}{(x+1)(y+1)(x+y)}$$ without pen and paper
@math110 by the way, do you know this is the particular case of a famous problem that has a name?
 
Do you mean $x,y\in (0,\infty)$? $f(x,y)$ seems odd notation if the domain is $(0,\infty)$. @Chris'ssis
 
@ThomasAndrews Isn't my notation OK? $f:(0,\infty)^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$
 
Somehow, I missed the square. Was that added later?
 
@ThomasAndrews Yeah, I didn't put it initially. :D
 
$(x+1)\ge 2\sqrt{x},(y+1)\ge 2\sqrt{y},x+y\ge 2\sqrt{xy}$..
 
5:11 PM
@Chris'ssis 1/8?
Thats what my head said
 
@Alizter :D
 
Basically intuition tells me x=y
so i found the stationary points
 
@math110 Yeap, that works.
 
x=1
 
Thank you
 
5:13 PM
@Chris'ssis That is the only problem you ever gave and said do this without pen and paper that I have been able to do :D
 
@Alizter Hey, I think you missed an important problem ...
 
@Chris'ssis what is taht?
 
who have any idea to my problem?
 
@Alizter $$\int_0^{1} \left\{\dfrac1{x+1}\right\} \left\{\dfrac1{x}\right\} \left\{\dfrac1{1-x}\right\}\ dx$$
 
5:15 PM
@Chris'ssis Oh I have seen that
Just havn't started it yet
I am actually going to tear my hair out over $\displaystyle\sum_{n=1}^\infty\int_0^1\frac{w}{(w-n-1)(2(w-n-1)+1)}dw$
A similar soab comes up with the other case.
SOOO CLOSE
 
@Alizter lol
brb, I need to finish some proofs.
 
@LucioD $k$ varies through the non-negative integers. $n$ varies through integers so that altogether the entire cube $O$ is covered by the $2^{n\cdot k}$ cubes with sidelength $2^{-k}\cdot R$. Look at the unit square in $\mathbb{R}^2$ to get the picture. You can cover it with one square with sidelength $1$, 4 squares with sidelength $\frac{1}{2}$, sixteen squares with sidelength $\frac{1}{4}$ etc.
 
I've got 99 problems and this integral happens to be one of them :(
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@Alizter That integral looks alright
 
5:34 PM
@DanielFischer Does $n$ just vary over all integers, is it not determined by dimension of $O$? Also are we producing disjoint cubes?
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis oh ! it has a name ? :o what is it ?
 
hello,I have into your room,@r9m
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis yay ! I got it too ! \ (-_-) /
 
@LucioD Oh, wait, I used $n$ as both, a parameter and the dimension of the space above, that's not good. Let's use $m$ for the parameter, better, $m_i$, since we need one parameter for each dimension. If $O = \prod_{k=1}^n [x_i, x_i+R)$, then we consider for each $k \in \mathbb{N}$ the cubes $$A(k,m) = \prod_{i=1}^n \left[x_i + m_i\cdot 2^{-k}R, x_i + (m_i+1)2^{-k}R \right)$$ where $0 \leqslant m_i < 2^k$ for $i \in \{1,2,\dotsc,n\}$ and $m = (m_1,m_2,\dotsc,m_n)$. Then the system
$\mathcal{A}(k) = \{ A(k,m) : 0 \leqslant m_i < 2^k\}$ is a partition of $O$ into dyadic cubes of sidelength $2^{-k}R$.
We look at the system $$\mathcal{A} = \bigcup_{k\in\mathbb{N}} \mathcal{A}(k).$$
Then $\{ \chi_A : A \in \mathcal{A}\}$ is dense in $L^1(O)$.
 
5:49 PM
@DanielFischer So I would be right in stating that O = curly A and that for each k we have disjoint cubes partitioning O?
$O = \mathcal{A}$
 
r9m
 
@LucioD No, $O$ is a subset of $\mathbb{R}^n$. $\mathcal{A}$ is a family of subsets of $\mathbb{R}^n$. But yes, for every $k$ we have disjoint cubes partitioning $O$.
 
@Alizter I get $\frac12(\log 2\pi-1)$
 
@DanielFischer $\mathcal{A}$ is the union of the family of subsets of $\mathbb{R}^{n}}$.
 
@sarah Yess
 
r9m
5:57 PM
@Alizter which problem ? :)
 
@r9m That integral I showed chrissis there was a sub integral I put above @sarah got that
 
@LucioD Each $\mathcal{A}(k)$ is a family of subsets of $\mathbb{R}^n$ (a partition of $O$). $\mathcal{A}$ is the union of the collection of these families, $$\mathcal{A} = \left\{ A \subset \mathbb{R}^n : \bigl(\exists k\bigr)\bigl( A \in \mathcal{A}(k)\bigr)\right\}.$$
 
@DanielFischer Yes I see.
 
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