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1:36 AM
Hello Professor @TedShifrin
 
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1039037/being-gamma-the-euler-mascheroni-constant-and-n-a-constant-0-show-pro

Does some useful theorem come to the mind of anyone?
 
 
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2:50 AM
can someone recommend me a topology text?
 
general topology, @Jorge?
 
Simmons
 
right
 
2:54 AM
Warning, @JorgeFernández: that book uses a lot of outdated notation.
The standard recommendation is Munkres. I haven't read it or Simmons, so I can't comment on either other than notational woes.
 
bah @Mike
you can't refute a book just for calling open balls open spheres and using $S_r(x)$ for $B(x, r)$
 
I didn't. I just warned that it uses notation that nobody else uses, and actually conflicts with modern notation.
I didn't say anything about the quality of the book otherwise, which I know nothing about.
 
how about a problem book on topology, do you know of any you can recommend?
 
@Jorge Simmons has lots of problems
 
Any good topology book will have lots of problems in it already.
 
3:01 AM
any other recommendations?
I'm going to order from amazon
And I like ordering a lot of books when I do so
 
Not really, no. I don't know that you really need more than one.
@BalarkaSen, does Munkres do classification of surfaces?
 
2-manifolds, yes
 
that's what surface means, yes
 
do you know a book that looks at topology from a categorical point of viw?
view*
 
@MikeMiller i know, yes
@JorgeFernández you want to do topos theory without knowing basic topology?
 
3:03 AM
In what sense do you want to look at topology from a categorical point of view? Once you've learned a good chunk of topology you might get something out of the examples in MacLane's categories book, but I don't know of any large-scale categorical exposition of topology (nor do I know what could be gained by such a thing).
 
redonkoulus.
 
Topos theory is not topology from a categorical point of view.
 
oh?
i thought it is
 
Nah. Just because the words sound similar don't mean they mean similar things. :P
 
ok, so then you don't have a book you would like to recommend?
 
3:06 AM
No.
 
what book did you read?
 
I didn't, I learned most of my elementary topology from a class. The book associated to that class was Kinsey, Topology of Surfaces, but we didn't use it much at all.
 
3:55 AM
Is there another bookmarklet, much alike Robjohn's that works on websites where his fails?
Hello Ice boy
 
Hi pal :-)
 
How are you doing?
 
Fine thanks, how are you?
 
I am quite good. It is really hot today though
35C degrees in here, so 95F
 
4:02 AM
I'm not able to log in to my meta account. Where should I seek help?
Though it works fine on my phone
 
4:35 AM
@Committingtoachallenge Do you remember the movie Wanted (yes, the one with Morgan Freeman, Angelina Jolie, assassins and bending bullets). Remember how the assassins heal themselves? Try that out.
 
@Nick hmm wanted, rings a bell
 
Hello all. Quick question (hopefully): Is there a term for the "combine these numbers using basic arithmetic to get this result" type of puzzle?
 
 
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7:17 AM
@Bobson You mean 1 _ 3 _ 5 _ 6 = 2 ?
where we fill in the operators?
 
@Nick What exactly do you feel when your answer receives down-votes?
 
@Integrator I feel "Oh noes! They're on to me"
 
@Nick :P
 
Nah, I'm just kidding. Most of the time the downvotes I get on my answers are from people who hated the question so much they serial downvote everything on the page.
Lots of Downvotes to me are an indication that my answer is wrong. Thankfully, there will always be the kind community member who'd tell me where I went wrong.
Downvotes to my question indicate that I haven't done enough reasearch or my question is too vague or boring. I've written horrible questions (with 10 upvotes and no answers) because sometimes people like the topic more than the question and hence they upvote the topic. Similarly, downvotes can be due to a person disliking a question. So, yes, downvotes do make me feel bad sometimes especially when I've put a lot of effort into a Q/A
@Bobson There is no real official name. I've heard it be called "Krypto" a few times but you can name it whatever you want.
 
7:35 AM
@r9m Today I saw This answer in a low quality review task, with 0 votes, your nick-name but 47 rep!
 
r9m
@Integrator ?! I don't understand ..
 
@r9m Well, Then Don't try to :P
 
r9m
@Integrator I'm sorry ! but what is a low quality review task ? .. do you mean you have seen this answer elsewhere before I posted it ?
 
@r9m In this section!
 
@Integrator, your mastery of mspaint is second to none.
 
7:41 AM
@KajHansen :p
 
r9m
@Integrator ouch ! does that mean mypost is low quality ?! :-)
 
@r9m I was being tested! by a BOT!
 
r9m
@Integrator oh ! the review bot ?! :) ..
 
@r9m Yep!
 
r9m
@Integrator ah !! now I get it !! :P LOL
 
7:46 AM
@KajHansen I can even draw Mona Lisa in ms-paint!
@r9m Thank god!
 
r9m
=P
 
@r9m what is mean by r9m
 
But can you get mspaint to factor large numbers @Integrator?
 
@KajHansen Yep but only those which are larger than $10^{98526}$
 
In polynomial time at that.
 
r9m
7:48 AM
@Integrator r is the initial alphabet of my name .. and there are 9 other alphabets that I don't care about ! :P
 
@r9m Now m is all that remains!
 
r9m
@Integrator that is the one alphabet my name differs form the name of my brother :P so Its important you know ! :P
 
@r9m Check and Mate! Game over!
 
r9m
@Integrator ?! what did you check and mate ? ;)
 
@r9m Nothing! Mate!
 
r9m
7:53 AM
@Integrator haha ! okay ! :-) .. but anon gave a better meaning to this nick name .. robot 9 million !! :P
 
8:13 AM
Hey people
 
Hey
 
hey kaj!
@kaj i tried to learn vectors and they are doing vector spaces
 
You don't really need to learn vector spaces in a general context if you're just starting out with vectors in the plane or in 3 dimensions, although the properties of a vector space hold there.
 
well i think is get vectors, and i dont really know the vector spaces look like. but with the subspaces i have made two vector spaces which are $y=x$ and $y=2x$ which should be fine as subspacs
and aparently i can add them together but i don't know what i will get
do i add them together like this $(x,x)+(x,2x)$
 
Vector spaces can get abstract to the point that there is not really a geometric interpretation of what you are doing.
 
8:23 AM
@Integrator do you know how to enlarge the integral sign only?
 
use \large\int
i think
 
It enlarges the integrand too...
 
OK so you're seeing subspaces. That's cool
 
Which is much bigger than the sign already
 
sorry userx i dont know
so is that right kaj? i add it using the one $x$ or i do $(x,x)+(c,2c)$?
what is an integrand userx? the thing inside the int symbol?
sorry if you are busy kaj!
is there a geometric interpration for simple vector spaces?
i havn't seen one yet
 
8:26 AM
So it depends on what you mean by "adding vector spaces" @beginner. I'm assuming by that, you mean the subspace $A + B = \{a + b : a \in A \text{ and } b \in B\}$.
Where $A$ is the vector space $y = x$ and $B$ is the vector space $y = 2x$.
 
i have $U_1+U_2=\{u_1+u_2:u_1\in U_1,u_2\in U_2\}$
so that is the same yeah
 
OK yeah, cool
There is indeed a nice geometric interpretation for vector spaces if you're working in Euclidean space like we are now.
 
yay
 
A one-dimensional subspace will be a line. A two-dimensional subspace will be a plane. $3$ and higher are "hyperplanes".
 
do i get to add all the elements of my first sub space to each element of the other or do i only add corresponding elements?
 
8:29 AM
The former.
 
so i have two one dimensional subspaces then
former means first right?
 
Yep
 
ok cool!
 
So $(1, 1)$ is an element of the first.
 
like that i plotted lots of points, and i should get a bunch of lines?
 
8:30 AM
$(1, 2)$ is an element of the second.
$(2, 4)$ is also an element of the second.
So, for example, $(1, 1)$ added to both of those will be an element of the sum.
 
i got lines going on $(2,3),(3,4),(4,5),(5,6)$ and $(3,5),(4,6),(5,7)$ so on
so do i get infinite lines above $y=x$ line?
my first four are element of that sum i think
 
When you add those two one-dimensional spaces together, you're going to get a plane.
 
ohhh
is that why i had so much trouble drawing it
but i dont get any $y\lt x$
 
I don't define my one-dimensional vector spaces like you did though. I.e. instead of $y = x$, I think about it as the so-called "span" of the vector $(1, 1)$
I mean, there's nothing wrong with what you did.
 
what does a span do?
 
8:35 AM
You'll often find it more convenient to think about a vector space as the span of it's so-called "basis".
So $Span((1, 1)) = \{x(1, 1) : x \in \mathbb{R}\}$
 
oh spans are in my brothers book in 10 pages
 
Or in general, for vectors $x_1, x_2, ..., x_n$:
 
so x scalar times the vector?
 
Yep
 
ohhh so cause $y=x$ i have $(x,x)$ which is $x(1,1)$
 
8:37 AM
$Span(x_1, x_2 \cdots x_n) = \{c_1x_1 + c_2x_2 \cdots + c_nx_n : c_i \in \mathbb{R}\}$
 
why do i have diffferent $c$?
 
Those $c_i$'s can be whatever you want them to be.
Yeah, you're right
 
why is $x$ the same in the first span?
 
What do you mean?
 
oh sorry my mistake
i thought $x\rightarrow c$ hehe
from your first thing to second
ok so span of vectors is my vector times all my variables
so vector $(1,2,3)$ in $(x,y,z)$ is span $\{x+y+z\}$
oh no i think i am confused sorry i will do the textbook and see what is wrong with my brain hehe
 
8:40 AM
Ok, so the way you'd say this is like this:
In $\mathbb{R}^3$, we have $Span(1, 2, 3) = \{c(1, 2, 3) : c \in \mathbb{R}\}$
So if $c = 0$, we have $(0, 0, 0)$
$c = 1$, we have $(1, 2 ,3)$
$c = 2$, we have $(2, 4, 6)$
etc
 
how come the $c$ is the same, but it is $c_i$ in $Span(x_1, x_2 \cdots x_n) = \{c_1x_1 + c_2x_2 \cdots + c_nx_n : c_i \in \mathbb{R}\}$
 
Oh crap!! Damn it!
 
what
 
Oh wait, no sorry.
I thought I made a mistake.
There is some notational ambiguity here because I'm being lazy with my latex.
 
oh okay hehe
 
8:43 AM
In $Span(x_1, x_2, ..., x_n)$, I'm saying $x_1, x_2, ..., x_n$ are a collection of $n$ vectors.
 
i get your example so i guess that is good
 
Whereas with $Span(1, 2, 3)$, I mean to say the span of the single vector $x_1 = \langle 1, 2, 3 \rangle$.
 
ohhhhhh
 
@robjohn Thanks alott :)
 
i thought $x_1=1,x_2=2,x_3=3$ in your example above i think i get it
 
8:44 AM
Nope
Each $x_i$ is its own vector
 
ok so i have span of just one $x_i$ then for your example?
 
Which is itself a "tuple" of numbers. :P
Yes, you are correct.
 
yay i think i get it!
 
Personally, I usually write my vectors in column form, but that's too difficult to format.
 
@UserX What about this $\displaystyle\Huge\int$$\dfrac{2x+3}{\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{x}+1}}\mathrm dt$
 
8:46 AM
sooo for my example $y=x$ and $y=2x$ i have two vector spans which are $x(1,1)$ and $x(1,2)$
 
dt? @integrator
Yeah. If $A$ is your first subspace and $B$ your second, then $A+B = Span(\langle 1, 1 \rangle , \langle 1, 2 \rangle )$.
 
@KajHansen I just wanted to show how to display $$\Huge\int$$
 
Ahhh
 
yay, thank you so much you are very helpful kaj! i hope you are a teacher at universities or something
 
I like to think I'm better in real life than over chat, haha
I actually do pay for my rent and books via tutoring people.
 
8:49 AM
well your videos were really good, but i havent finished them because they are really hard
oh wow it shows you are really helpful
 
There is definitely a certain degree of mathematical maturity that you'll need to develop as you advance. It's not something you get in grade school at all, especially if you're in the USA.
 
not in the USA but my family says not to tell people where i live hehe
 
haha, I understand. Math education isn't that good here in the US.
 
yeah i hope to learn to read the formulas and 'get' them quickly but it takes me a long time
my brother says that USA teachs students to be monkeys 'monkey see monkey do'
he said teachers are useless hehe, but you are really good
 
That's a good description. It's very algorithm-oriented in K-12 math.
"Here's the formula. Apply the formula 100 times". It's pretty boring.
 
8:53 AM
that does sound boring that would make me not like math hehe
 
Brian's answer here is good:
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Q: Adding two subspaces

ImrayI have two subspaces: $$W_1 = \{(x, 3x) : x\in \Bbb R \}$$ and $$W_2 = \{(2x, 0): x\in \Bbb R \}$$ How do I get $W_1 + W_2$? I tried simply adding a sample vector from each, i.e. $$ (1, 3) + (2, 0) = (3, 3)$$ but I don't think this makes sense since this new vector doesn't fit it $W_1$ nor ...

 
@KajHansen That sounds just like the math here. I think it's better in the US than here, lol. I think I am living in one of the worst places on earth, lol.
 
Hope your rebirth-lottery puts you in Germany @JasperLoy :P
 
@KajHansen Thanks for remembering my favourite country is Germany. By doing that, you have attained good kamma for your future life, lol.
 
:D
Also, now is a great time to ask me why I'm not asleep @JasperLoy
4 AM here :P
 
8:56 AM
@KajHansen Ah, why are you still up?
 
LOL, I actually got up very early this morning and ended up taking a nap from like 12 PM until 5 PM. SO....yeah.
 
can you have a quick look at my coment on your link kaj?
it is on brians answer
 
I pretend that's an excuse, but I'm actually up this late a ton. My mind functions poorly in the morning and afternoon and very, very well post-midnight. I always like pointing out that the majority of my undergraduate work has been done between 12 AM and 5 AM.
 
where do you live jasper or you cant tell
 
Jasper is also anonymous :P
 
8:58 AM
@beginner I won't tell because I am afraid some people might spy on me.
 
my parents told me something the same i think
 

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