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9:00 PM
So do we end up with -5a^-2 and then flip it to 5a^2?
 
No.
 
XD I'm so lost
 
Did you follow this?

=4(5a^4)(2^-2)(a^-2)
 
I see how you got that, yes.
 
Wow, Brazil is really messed up. Protests everywhere.
 
9:03 PM
Yes, yes it is Ian.
 
4(5a^4)(2^-2)(a^-2)

= 4(2^-2)(5a^4)(a^-2)
...
ab = ba
 
Just not seeing the next step to get the 5 for the answer :/
 
4(2^-2) = 1
 
okay its making a little more sense now LOL
 
9:09 PM
since (2^-2) = 1/(2^2)
 
and therefore 5 when we simplify?
 
Yes.
 
Oh my goodness I love you! Thank you so much! :D
 
Thanks for trying to learn :D
 
It makes it hard when the textbook is terrible. :( I always feel bad having to ask, but when we ask our prof he says surely we can ask someone else. It's like... We're paying you to teach us and you're grading our assignments with no feedback. Literally he puts a check mark or an X. That's it. sigh
 
9:14 PM
I always thought these type of exercises awfully artificial, I mean, who the hell uses mixed numbers and ${2+3[(5+8)-4]}$?
 
At least this is the last assignment LOL
LOL I can do that one!
Need help Ian? ;)
 
@Shayna Chemistry, please
 
That equation?
Or a different one my dear?
 
@Shayna no, the entire subject heheh
 
LOL!
Well you'll have to come up with some specific questions and I can see what I can do... I'm decent at sciences like Chemistry, but my majors were psychology and sociology. :P
 
9:20 PM
Really? Are you informed about what's happening in Brazil? It is quite funny after all
 
@ianMateus chemistry.stackexchange.com/
 
Yep, but trying to finish this math assignment before midnight :D
 
@Bageer great site, it is a shame it is not so popular :(
 
@IanMateus I don't know, never used it. Infact finding that link was the first time going there
 
@Bageer I've read some answers
@Shayna which assignment?
 
9:25 PM
A math assignment for a math for teachers class
 
@Shayna use ChatJax, it'll make it easier
 
Is there a neater way of integrating $\frac{(x^2-a^2)}{(x^2+a^2)^2}$ than by parts?
wrt $x$, of course
 
No idea how to use it
And it didn't work Ian... Came up with errors
 
@Shayna What's your browser? Google Chrome, Firefox, Explorer...
 
Chrome
 
9:31 PM
@Alyosha complete noob here, but try differentiation under the integral sign
@Shayna Ctrl + Shift + B to hide/show your bookmarks bar, then drag
Then write things like $4+3=7$ (between dollar signs)
 
This problem is actually an intermediary step in DUI (wikipedia's first example). The partial derivative of the expression wrt $a$ isn't too nice, I doubt it will help much. Also, that would leave 2 integrals at the end to mop up
 
@Alyosha Perhaps you might have luck with complex analysis guys? Unfortunately, I know nothing about it
 
Undoubtedly, but I'm as much of a noob as you, so naturally am completely inept in those fields
 
K I will in a bit Ian. Just finishing my math assignment. :)
 
@Shayna :)
@Alyosha You naturally already have tried $u^2=x^2+a^2$, nope?
 
9:38 PM
Factoring polynomials ahahahaha this is the easy part :D
 
@Shayna I like these questions!
 
@IanMateus It's not too pretty
Seems interesting, I'll work on it a while longer
 
@Alyosha it is not really elegant, but seems to work
 
HI guys
 
@mick Hi!
 
9:45 PM
@IanMateus Hi. Did we meet before ?
 
Greetings, all!
 
@mick I don't think so heh
 
Ohhh no. Quadratic equations :(
 
$$\int\frac{x^2-a^2}{(x^2+a^2)^2}\,\mathrm{d}x=\int\frac{1}{x^2+a^2}\,\mathrm{d}x-2a^2\int\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^2}\,\mathrm{d}x$$
 
@Shayna ever tried to solve a quintic :)
 
9:49 PM
@mick Ramanujan has tried already. Heheheh...
 
Quintic what? @mick
 
@Shayna equation of degree 5 : a x^5 + b x^4 + ... = 0
 
@Shayna a polynomial equation of fifth degree
 
LOL I had to do one for my stupid homework earlier- I had to make one up in fact and solve it :)
LOL okay
Here try this one for fun...
 
I remember when I first learned the quadratic equation I stopped paying attention in class trying to find a cubic equation and a general equation for polynomials of degree n.
 
9:54 PM
 
Give an example of a polynomial in the variable t, such that it is fourth degree, in descending powers of the variable, with exactly five terms, and having a positive coefficient for its quadratic term.
 
@ianMateus You can solve some fifth degree polynomials just not in general.
 
@Bageer yes, I vaguely meant "constructing a formula"
 
2t^4+7t^3+17t^2+19t+15 works for that I believe anyway :)
 
@IanMateus I figured, just thought I would explicitly point it out since it is interesting.
 
9:57 PM
@Shayna is it an exercise of yours?
 
Yeah- that was my attempt at it. Check it if you like. :)
I dunno if I've done it right, but LOL
 
I'm quite lazy to verify $\pm 1, \pm 3, \pm 5, \pm 15$...
 
Can I simplify (3/16)+(1/16)√41 ?
 
And there's also that $2$ lurking there
 
fourth degree, check; in descending power, check; five terms, check; 17 is positive, check. ( I think that is what the question is asking)
 
9:59 PM
Thanks Bageer. I posted it more to challenge Ian the smarty pants though. :D
 
@Shayna $\left(\frac{1}{16}\right)\left(3+\sqrt{41}\right)$?
 
Here is a lovely limit I'd like to share. I work on it and try to find a beautiful way of doing things $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{\sqrt[n^2]{(4^n+1)(4^n+2)\cdots (4^n+n)}}{2^n}$$
 
@Chris'swisesister wow!
 
@IanMateus :-)
 
nope Ian lol
 
10:01 PM
I asked a question about prime twins.
 
@Shayna if only I weren't really noob...
 
3/16 + 1/16√41
$3/16 + 1/16√41$
 
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Q: Confusing proof of brun's theorem?

mickI read Brun's proof of Brun's theorem here : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k486270d/f138.image (and the following pages) But I was unsatisfied. I did not understand it and I did not even get the notation he used. It seems like " some statistical arguments " because of the infinite product...

@Shayna no offense but you seem new to math. Not that Im a genius.
 
Can I make that $4/16√41$ ?
@mick I don't do this kind of math LOL I do statistics. I'm a social scientist. :)
Doing another math class for teachers. :)
 
@Shayna I'm afraid you can't. It would imply $\sqrt{41}=1$
 
10:04 PM
ty LD
:D **
 
@Shayna statistically speaking most people are half male half female :)
 
@mick You're into fallacies huh?
@mick Either that or the alter ego ;)
 
@Shayna yes
@Shayna ?
 
a+bc and (a+b)c are different; the second one is ac+bc.
 
$${ 3 \over 16} + \sqrt{41}{1 \over 16}={ 3 \over 16} + {\sqrt{41} \over 16}$$
 
10:08 PM
Is my question well posed ?
 
I feel really dumb whenever I'm in this site
 
LOL me too Ian, me too.
I do better on other portions of SE.
Ugh another question I really don't like :/
 
@mick please use \log or \ln instead of log or ln, it is prettier
 
@IanMateus Is that a conditional yes ?
@IanMateus but you have 16.. rating
 
@mick I didn't understand
 
10:12 PM
@IanMateus you feel dumb yet your rating is above 1600
@anon Hi. Do you think my question is well posed ?
 
@mick this does not make me intelligent...? It is not a measurable thing. I entered here with 1 reputation, but I haven't got 1600 times smarter.
 
how long is the proof? is there a readable version? or an english translation? asking for a step-by-step walkthrough of a historical proof may or may not be asking too much of MSE depending on these sorts of bits.
 
@IanMateus yes you did :)
@anon just 4 pages. the French terms are not too difficult. Unaware of a translation though.
 
A monkey with an infinite amount of fingers could get 1600 rep...
(not that ian is a monkey though)
 
@Bageer No he would be banned.
 
10:17 PM
@Bageer and much more!
 
no, just banned for spam and verbal poop-flinging
 
@anon like i said
 
With those fingers the monkey could make accounts
 
@Bageer intelligence is not the result of randomness
 
I agree that is the point
 
10:19 PM
$7/2 - 1/4 √290$ How would I punch that into my calculator to simplify the answer into decimals?
 
If intelligence is the result of randomness then selena gomez will prove RH if she tries long enough.
@Shayna I hope you feel OK here. No sarcasm intended.
For clarity I do not hate selena.
 
I was not making the point that intelligence is a result of randomness, I was making the point that rep isn't necessarily a result of intelligence.
 
@Bageer But intelligence is a result of rep.
 
@mick Of course. I have to learn sometime. I'm sure I could school most of ya on a topic other than math. :)
 
@Shayna how you punch things into your calculator depends entirely on what calculator you have. is there a reason you don't want to punch them into website calculators?
 
10:23 PM
So as long as the monkey gets rep it gets smarter?
 
@Shayna NOt trying to be an ass but I doubt that.
@Bageer yes , monkey sees , monkey does.
 
LOL I need to know how to use mine for the exam... I know how on a graphing calculator I think, but we're only allowed to use scientific ones in the exam. @anon
 
:)
 
@mick Trust me dear, I'd school you in Psychology and Sociology any day. Or even things like genealogy. ;)
 
@Shayna you dont understand.
 
10:26 PM
@Shayna familiarize yourself with the buttons. do you know how parentheses and order of operations work? you could go with e.g. 7/2-(1/4)√290 or 7/2-(1/4)(290^(1/2)) or 7/2-(290^(1/2))/4. (frankly, these things should be taught in gradeschool.)
 
there is a hierarchy , those who study the complex things have already understand the simpler or as good as.
 
are you picking a fight mick?
 
No , but mathematicians are the highest lifeform on the planet and they often have skills outside math , in fact math is used in all science. Hence my sensitity and defense/attack towards the subject @anon @Shayna
 
literally lold
 
I understood calculators before i could read. True story. More importantly before I was thought. If you know where im going at
 
10:30 PM
you are a joy to read :)
 
Also I do not believe in " Sociology "
nothing personal
@anon really ?
 
Funny, I don't know to many mathematicians that are good with calculators
 
@Bageer Im not a mathematician yet :) I only have 1400 rep and im 14 :)
 
@Bageer what line of work do you do, that you work with mathematicians intimately?
 
I am a student
 
10:32 PM
@mick well, entertainment is a form of joy
 
and talk with professors
(i don't know to many mathematiticians anyways)
 
Perhaps they dont NEED a calculator anymore
or try to avoid calculator questions
I would anyway
No answers yet to my question , but a star though.
@Shayna I hope your ok with my comments , not trying to upset you.
But im not the type of teen you can walk over :p
Let go a step further. math has applications , well at least indirectly in other sciences for sure. What is an application of sociology that really works / worked ?
NOW im playing dirty !
 
@Chris'swisesister my thoughts, where I marked the suspicious parts in red: $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{\sqrt[n^2]{(4^n+1)(4^n+2)\cdots (4^n+n)}}{2^n}\\=\lim_{n\to\infty}2^{-n}\prod_{k=1}^{n}4^n\left(1+\frac{k}{4^n}\right)^{1/n^2}\\=\lim_{n\to\infty}2^{-n}\prod_{k=1}^{n}\sum_{j\geqslant 0}{n^{-2}\choose j}\left(\frac{k}{4^n}\right)^j\\ \color{Red}{=\lim_{n\to\infty}2^{-n}\prod_{k=1}^{n}\left[1+\frac{k}{n^2 4^n}\right]}=L.$$
 
Let say you study intimite relations between people , will you create more love ?
Will reading statistics about love make a good couple ?
 
@Chris'swisesister $$\log(L)=\lim_{n\to\infty}\left[-n\log(2)+\sum_{k=1}^{n}\log\left(1+\frac{k}{n^2 4^n}\right)\right]\\\color{Red}{=\lim_{n\to\infty}\left[-n\log(2)+\underbrace{\sum_{k=1}^{n}\frac{k}{n^2 4^n}}_\text{$\rightarrow 0$}\right]}=-\infty.$$ Therefore, $L=0.$
 
10:39 PM
@IanMateus yeah, this should work.
 
Is it zero?
 
@mick Obviously you don't even know what Sociology is. I hope you weren't speaking for all mathematicians when you said you were more intelligent... Because that would be quite a rude fallacy to project upon to the others. ;)
 
Wow! I made my day
 
10:43 PM
@Shayna If you can read , i said im just 14 and not a mathematician yet , so I do not speak for all and btw never claimed so. Further SOCIOLOGY IS ABOUT HUMAN SOCIAL ACTIVITY hence it implies relationships !!
 
@Chris'swisesister I forgot a factor of $4$ in the second equality, when removing the $4^n$ (when it should read $4^{1/n}$) out of the product
 
Are all open sets in $\Bbb{R}^2$ balls of some positive radius?
 
no
any union of open sets yields an open set
 
@anon or a union of open balls
 
they will be a countable union of open balls though
is it not uncommon for there to be reputation lag?
 
10:48 PM
@IanMateus how did you get the first red part?
 
what do you mean "or"? a union of open balls is a(n example of a) union of open sets...
@exitingcorpse you mean on meta? on the mainsite the lag shouldn't be more than a second or two
 
@anon countable union of open sets aside, if I take an open set, does it have to be an open ball? Can it be of some other form or shape or blob?
 
Here's a nice problem: find the set of unit vectors $\mathbf{v_1},\mathbf{v_2},...,\mathbf{v_{5}}$ whose bases are at the origin such that $\sum_{1 \le i <j \le 5} \theta _{i.j}$ is a maximum, with $\theta_{1,2}$ being the angle between $\mathbf{v_1}$ and $\mathbf{v_2}$.
 
my star got removed :(
 
@exitingcorpse CW posts do not get rep
@AlanH what do you mean by "union of open sets aside"? you cannot throw away open sets from consideration and then ask about open sets...
the answer is, of course open sets are not all just plain old balls
 
10:52 PM
@Chris'swisesister I used the binomial theorem and collected only the first and second terms: $$\sum_{j\geqslant 0}{n^{-2}\choose j}\left(\frac{k}{4^n}\right)^j\\=1+\frac{(1/n^2)(k/4^n)}{1!}+\frac{(1/n^2)(1/n^2-1)(k/4^n)^2}{2!}+\cdots$$
 
Consider the union of two disjoint balls
 
not even necessarily disjoint
 
@anon ah of course, i forgot. woops
 
@Chris'swisesister you can see they are rapidly going to zero thanks to the $4^n$ term
 
one could equally well speak of open boxes, open polyhedra, open ellipsoids, etc. In euclidean space, an open set is any set X such that every point x in X has a ball around it contained in X.
@exitingcorpse I had a feeling of deja vu there :)
 
10:53 PM
@IanMateus then you cannot use equal sign. Surely, I got your point.
 
and normally i like CW spaces... :P
 
@Chris'swisesister they are not equal, but their limits are.
 
I chased her away :)
 
@IanMateus ok
 
@Chris'swisesister it is a suspect operation, indeed. I'll try to make it more rigorous :-)
 
10:56 PM
so, here's an interesting thing
 
@Alyosha in how many dimensions?
 
@IanMateus I like your way of doing things anyway. :-)
 
it's a basic fact that norms on R^n are all equivalent. but some of them are more finitary than others: suppose the unit norm ball (which specifies the norm) is a polytope with coordinates lying in Q^n (a rational polytope)
just think about R^2 at first. imagine you have an oracle to compute the norm, and you know the unit norm ball is a rational polytope a priori. can you come up with an algorithm to determine the vertices in finite time?
 
@Chris'swisesister thanks! I'll try to find bounds for that sum
 
(the application is the thurston norm in 3-manifold topology. it has a lot of information, and we know it is always a rational polytopal norm. of course, the issue is that we don't know how to compute it exactly... even bounds can be tough)
 
leo
10:59 PM
In which spaces are the singletons compact subsets?
 
every space. once you have an open cover of {a}, you know at least one of the sets contains a. hence you can just choose that as a finite cover
 
@IanMateus It's so late here and I'm still on. I need to leave. Thanks for your thoughts.
bye
 
@Chris'swisesister bye!
 
@mick In fact, the way in which you referred to Sociology implied you were speaking of Psychology... I'm sorry, but you still have much to learn at 14.
 
terry tao has a writeup on his blog i think where he discusses how compactness is a generalisation of finiteness
 
leo
11:01 PM
But then every space would be locally compact
 
not quite. you need every point to have a compact neighbourhood
 
@Shayna I'm quite off when it comes to Sociology, but what would be an "open problem" in that field? I mean, can you cite some nice "Sociology problems"?
 
{a} will be a neighbourhood of a only when {a} is an open set, and that's definitely not always the case
 
leo
I see. Then the definition of my book was weird. It says: locally compact means every point have a nbhd such that it contains...
Bah... they are the same
It ends such that it contains a compact nbhd wich contain the point
I missed the second nbhd word
 
ah yeah, it's an easy mistake to make
 
leo
11:07 PM
Missed it by that much
Indeed
 
@IanMateus World hunger, social politics, global waste & recycling, natural resources... Basically anything humans interact with environment wise... If humans are interacting with one another in most cases it becomes Psychology (it will have little depth in Sociology anyway). Sociology is more qualitative and Psychology is more quantitative.
 
@anon $3$, sorry. Is it worth posting on the main site?
 
sounds like it.
 
@anon What be cooking?
 
@Shayna ok, these are famous problems. I mean, what connections specialists in that field know/see further than the mere mortals? I have seen some work in geopolitics, and it is awesome!
 
11:15 PM
give a def of sociology that does not include social human activity or relationships , I dare you @Shayna
 
@IanMateus Without the Sociologists you wouldn't have nearly as much information on those topics... They wouldn't be as widely known. Being that their research is more qualitative, they discover things first hand. They don't often conduct the quantitative statistics themselves, but instead pass them on to other disciplines. Sociologists are masters of interviewing and surveying techniques... They also use participant observation quite a bit.
 
the examples you gave were politics and ecology.
@Shayna No , the media informs us already
 
@mick You can't, really... It still doesn't mean you're right though. There is a point at which Anthropology, Sociology and Psychology all meet and diverge. Sociology refers more to the social interactions with bureaucracy and thus overlaps with many disciplines. Psychology is raw human interaction with other humans. Anthropology is the study of social interaction and bureaucracy in times past by the study of ancient ways or ways little known in today's societies (such as of the Roma Gypsies).
LOL @mick THE MEDIA... HA! They get their info from researchers. Without researchers they would have no leads.
 
@mick I sincerely don't know what you are trying to prove. If the media tells you something, it is because someone thought it before, they are Sociologists.
 
@Shayna politics tell them
 
11:20 PM
@Ian @mick Not in all cases. Sociologists often inform political scientists of what needs to be studied as sociologists are those who specialize in interviewing and surveying techniques.
 
its all vague defined and related. But is it really a skill to learn ??
 
@mick I suggest you spend some time in a university before you question those of us who have completed a degree. ;)
 
@Shayna yes, I only cited one type of people from the Humanities.
@mick yes, thinking.
 
@Shayna Ok give an application of psychology that is not politics.
 
@IanMateus I've been lucky enough to take courses in many of the Humanities... Majored in Psychology and Sociology... Plus I was the president of the Sociology-Anthropology club and went on some field school trips for Anthropology (super cool!).
 
11:22 PM
@mick Help the employed keep their jobs?
 
@mick Cognition, Learning and memory, Spatial recognition. I could go on forever.
 
"The voices in my head keep telling me to kill my boss."
 
@mick Testing and assessment for psychological disorders according to the DSM
@PeterTamaroff Nice one! Hahah I giggled a bit!
 
@PeterTamaroff I do not believe that. matter of money and politics.
@Shayna thats an IQ test at best. what is the use ? I want an application.
 
@mick I really should prove to you that we are just subjects of our brains and merely non-existent... Psychology can do that you know.
 
11:24 PM
@PeterTamaroff I starred :)
 
@mick techniques for selling more and more
 
@mick Well, then you're going to have a bad time having an argument with people.
 
@mick LOL IQ tests are the least valid tests psychologists use. Pick up a book on psychological testing and assessment. Do us a favor and learn something before you shoot your mouth off.
 
@mick do you know any social workers? Plus why are you so concerned with applications
 
@Shayna applications to healty people I mean.
If simple psychology is so powerfull why are ppl unhappy and we have an economic crisis and wars ?
 
11:28 PM
@Shayna Alright. Studies on the effects of alcohol on the brain whilst performing motor functions. Studies on how drugs effect individuals. Studies on how sleep vs wakefulness effects individuals, REM sleep, circadian rhythms. Pick up a book and read. I'm not your human book. Seriously.
 
To me, learning the concept of surplus value was mind-blowing at the time.
 
@Shayna stay off drugs. do not need psychology for that.
Psychology cannot even force a 14yo to agreement :p
 
@mick how would you know that unless someone studied them and told you they were bad for you? how would you know which neurotransmitters they effect? also, nice... you only had one come back to my whole spiel. i believe that you, sir, are done. now shush.
 
that should be starred :p
 
@Shayna Spiel = game?
 
11:30 PM
@mick nor can mathematics in some people.
 
The kid probably doesn't even know what neurotransmitters are LOL.
 
@Shayna dont be silly. im not a retard.
 
@PeterTamaroff I feel like I've spent too long typing information for someone who is ignorant enough not to absorb what is being offered up... Thus a spiel. :p
 
@mick Not being a retard does not mean you know what neurotransmitters are.
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mick: the great over-simplify-er
 
11:31 PM
@Shayna Spoil?
 
@mick I could test you to find out if you'd like.
 
Where did all this hoolapalooza come from?
 
@PeterTamaroff mick said I was terrible in math, I said that was alright because I was probably better in other subject than others in the room.
 
Dopamine is a neurotransmitter
 
@PeterTamaroff Then we went into "like what"... Typical kid wanting to play games. I suppose I bit when the troll threw his line.
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11:34 PM
@Shayna seems you learned more from chat than from the books then
:)
 
@Shayna So you study psychology?
 
@PeterTamaroff she majored
 
@PeterTamaroff I have a BA majoring in both Psychology and Sociology :)
 
@Shayna Oh, interesting. I once wanted to study Sociology.
 
It's quite interesting. I love doing participant observation studies!
 
11:36 PM
Suppose I see a hot girl. what psychology can I use that would give me benefit over others ??
 
@mick I am not going to tell you how to manipulate others.
 
@Shayna Lame. you cannot answer. because that is not in the books or it doesnt work hmm
 
@mick She surely won't be interested in you proving her that every compact metric space is separable.
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1 hour ago, by anon
are you picking a fight mick?
 
@anon An off topic fight at that.
 
11:38 PM
Maybe it would give you the knowledge to see hot girls as something other than objects to win...
 
I'd be happy to continue this debate on the cognition portion of SE after I finish my math homework :)
 
@Shayna besides its not manipulation if psychologists manipulate ?? where is the justice if they know tricks and we dont ?? think about that !
 
IIRC he has picked fights in here before
 
@anon it is really annoying. Where are the moderators?
 
@Bageer dont kid yourself. One cannot , its paradoxal by the defintion of hot.
 
11:40 PM
I believe so as well anon. I'm sure I saw it happen a couple weeks ago, maybe with the other Ian.
 
@mick paradoxical...?
 
@anon I disagree. I got insulted in those cases.
 
@MichaelGreinecker How is modding going?
@anon Put up this sign, please:
 
@IanMateus Just having a strong opinion sorry
 
@mick Wrong place at the wrong time. Go to the cognition portion of SE please.
 
11:42 PM
@PeterTamaroff thought exactly the same.
 
@Shayna Brotip: You can ignore a user in chat.
 
It just that when you ask about application of psychology in a pratical realistic case its suddenly manipulation and abuse ! thats lame.
@Shayna
 
@mick it is not your opinion, it is your lack of civility and humility.
 
@mick Go read a book on psychology. Better yet read "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat" By Oliver Sacks. Annnnd you're ignored.
 
I loved that book. Also phantoms in the brain, by the ramachandran dude.
 
11:44 PM
Yes! Lovely book as well!
 
im sorry
 
I'm sure you'd love the rest of Oliver Sacks' works too @anon
 
I just do not believe in psychology
 
@PeterTamaroff Thank you. I don't often choose to use the ignore button, but I suppose in some cases it is just.
 
Am i the only one here ?
 
11:45 PM
@Shayna Heh. What kind of math are you doing?
 
even saying the name "Oliver" in my head makes me feel British
 
@anon Kaster Edgington beats it all. Stress the K.
 
haha
 
Is it a pretty safe bet that if a question is asking for the unique smallest topology containing the all collections of some set of topologies it is refering to $\subset$
 
@PeterTamaroff Well, I'm doing math for teachers... Going into a BEd program so I had to pick up a math other than stats LOL. I want to be a high school counselor, but where I live they require you to have 5 years teaching experience first. :/
 
11:46 PM
@Shayna What is BEd?
 
@PeterTamaroff Bachelor of Education :)
 
@Bageer Yes. Sometimes it is better to write it as "smallest wrt to inclusion".
 
dont be so sensitive guys
 
Got to go. Bye, everyone
 
bye@IanMateus
 
11:47 PM
@IanMateus Have a great night! :D
 
@Shayna you angry ?
 
@Shayna thanks :-)
 
Well, I should probably get back to my math... I'll come back once I'm stuck or done to chat some more if everyone's still here. :D
 
@PeterTamaroff Damn, can't just call upon well ordering... it should be a good exercise anyways
 
@Bageer indeed, the topologies on a given set are partially ordered under inclusion, and that's what we're referring to when we use words like "coarse" vs. "fine"
 
11:49 PM
im blocked by all ?
 
@Bageer So what was the question again?
 
Im going to cognition
 
@PeterTamaroff The full question is: Let $\{\mathcal{T}_\alpha \}$ be a family of topologies on $X$. Show that there is a unique smallest topology on $X$ containing all the collections of $\mathcal{T}_\alpha$. There is a similar one for largest topolgy.
I just started learning topology...
 
@Bageer Let's start out with an easier one, then.
 
Oh, I wan't asking for help, I just wanted to make sure.
 
11:53 PM
Suppose $\{A_\alpha\}$ is some family of sets. What is the smallest set $A$ such that $A_\alpha\subseteq A$ for each $\alpha$?
@Bageer Oh, OK.
 
the poset of topologies on any given set is in fact a complete lattice
(exercise)
 
@anon (observation)
 
there is something to prove
 
@anon I am jesting.
 
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