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10:00 AM
Really Thunderous Fucking Black Metal?
 
Yep, I used to have my dark phases.
 
Really terrible fulminating bowel movement?
 
@AsafKaragila you've seen particular symptoms?
 
Repulsively Thunderous Foul Bowel Movement?
 
@AsafKaragila Ah, I needed JM's cue to get that.
 
10:01 AM
@Ilya Nope. It's dormant so far.
:-)
Oh lord. I have to teach in 2 hours, and then I have office hours as well.
 
@AsafKaragila don't forget to take a shower
 
Obviously.
 
@Ilya But not in the school bathrooms, of course. ;)
 
I'm still home... jerks.
 
Just making sure. :D
 
10:05 AM
@JM, This exact sum is very surprising. Do you have any explanation?
 
Neat. I got a friend from my office to come pick me up from home in about an hour.
 
@Sri: That is interesting... I suspect that you need to start from digamma and then use the reflection formulae to get the trigs.
 
I think Apollonius was on LSD or something.
 
Ergot, my friend. There was no LSD back then. ;)
 
10:08 AM
I would not be surprised if the Greeks had something similar made.
 
@JM Is there an easier way to do this without over-complicating it? I would like to see something that is elementary and cleaner.
=)
 
I mean, look at all the technology Atlantis had...
 
I would try to go with the partial fraction expansion of the cotangent.
 
@Srivatsan ROFL (Red Orge Feeling Ludicrous)
 
@Srivatsan Right... ;)
On the other hand, it is 1/((k+1)^2 +k) after all...
 
10:10 AM
partial fraction will help?
Huh, scratch that.
 
@JM Also one could claim that he was massive point schizophrenic. Or something like that.
 
I know, but Apollonian methods are best appreciated with pics...
 
explain + cover
 
10:15 AM
It's a cover inside an explain.
 
@tb Must be one of those new drugs... :D
 
@JM Perhaps one induced by Apollonian gaskets!
I am fairly certain we can derive hallucinogens from those things.
 
@JM You probably need those in order to ask the spirits of E-ML
 
@JM: I don't get why you changed the \dfrac to \frac and removed the braces around the nominator...
 
@AsafKaragila I distinctly recall this artist making psychedelically colored versions of those things. It was hypnotic...
 
10:18 AM
It does not matter, and the result is TeX code which is unclear.
 
@AsafKaragila You have the thing enclosed in $$ already, so the \dfrac version ain't needed.
 
Sure, but the braces?
 
"It's shorter" is my poor excuse...
 
Poor excuse indeed.
 
@JM So for what quadratics P(n) will there a "nice" sum for the infinite series sum 1/P(n)? Has anyone studied this question? // For cubics, the problem is kind of hopeless unless we consider zeta(3) as a nice answer.
 
10:24 AM
I must adjourn to the shower.
 
@Srivatsan I don't recall offhand. Sounds like a nice question for main, though. :)
But yeah, sums and differences of squares are awfully nice...
 
@JM It's not a coincidence it seems. wolframalpha.com/input/…
 
@Srivatsan, the sum over Z of 1/P(n) is always nice, and x²+3x+2 has a symmetry, so you can recover the sum over N from the sum over Z
 
@user17445 If I understand you correctly, for all P(n) = an^2+bn+c, the infinite series sum_{n \in Z} 1/P(n) sums to something nice (involving cot and pi and stuff).
 
yes
and not just degree 2 polynomials
in fact, any rational function
provided the thing converges
 
10:34 AM
Oh, that is cool.
 
sum over Z of 1/f(n) = sum over the zeroes of f of -pi cotan(pi x)/f'(x)
or something like that
 
Oh, now I see your point re symmetry. Since 1/n^{2k} has a similar symmetry, it is possible to recover the sum over N from the sum over Z. That does not work for 1/n^{2n+1}.
 
exactly
 
This was explained by Qiaochu in some answer long back. I did not get it then.
How do we handle the fact that 1/n^2 blows up for n=0?
 
you take a limit of 1/(n²+e)
you also have to take limits if you have multiple roots
 
10:40 AM
Nice. This is amazingly cool.
 
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Polygamma functions and zeta functions are related, after all...
 
@user17445 Is the proof of that through this "Weierstrass factorization"? I learned that term from anon's answer yesterday.
 
@Sri: this is the reflection I was talking about, if you take the polygamma route.
 
I had a nice proof using euler's identity for sin(x) as an infinite product
but I do't understand it anymore lol
 
Oh ;)
 
10:42 AM
@1744: Interesting. Can you link to your writeup?
(I wish you had a username. :) )
 
The mathematics should still be intelligible. :)
 
the last page
 
Hmm, it's a doubly infinite sum. How is it adjusted for singly infinite ones?
 
limit (n -> infinity) of (sum from -n to +n) ?
or I don't know what doubly infinite means
 
10:46 AM
That's doubly infinite. -\infty to \infty.
 
@JM That's the symmetry thing we were talking about, JM.
Let me attempt that explanation again. =)
 
you can't adjust it for singly infinite ones if you don't have a symmetry
 
Ah, I understand. As long as the polynomials are even...
 
Let's say we have 1/f(n), with f(x) = x^2 + 3x + 1. Then since f(x) = f(3-x) (or something like that), you can group terms accordingly.
 
or else we would have nice values for ζ(3) etc
yes, the sum over Z = 2 * the sum from -1 to infinity
in this particular case
 
10:50 AM
So, even, or can be made to look like even. :)
 
@JM Even works, but it doesn't have to be. It works also for 1/(n^2 + 3n+1). I guess it works for any 1/(quadratic polynomial with integer coefficients).
@JM Nicely put.
 
hmm I don't think you can get a singly infinite sum for any quadratic polynomial
 
@user17445 checking the details right now.
Any candidate counter-example?
 
Well, \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac1{ak^2+bk+c} is certainly expressible in terms of digamma functions.
 
@JM singly infinite?
 
10:54 AM
You take the route outlined in Abramowitz and Stegun: split into partials, and each of the linear factors correspond to a digamma function when summed. Converting to cotangents is gravy.
If you have \sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac1{(ak+b)^2}, you need trigamma.
 
Thanks for the explanation, @user17445.
 
so I can just replace pi cotan (pi x) with psi(x) in my formula to get the singly infinite sum ?
since psi(x) + psi(1-x) = pi cotan (pi x)
 
With some massaging, yes.
 
@srivatsan, no problem though I didn't explain much
 
(by the way, the trigamma formula doesn't work for b=0. Hmm... :D)
 
10:59 AM
sin is a nice function that has zeroes along piZ, so with contour integration you can get sums of things over Z
when you need to break it up, you need functions like Gamma, who have poles over -N
 
By the way: if you don't like polygammas, they're entirely equivalent to (generalized) harmonic numbers. So it's a matter of taste whether you use one or the other.
(In the meantime, I'm out for dinner. Later.)
 
well I'm not familiar with any of the two
but thanks
 
11:38 AM
Harmonic numbers are defined as \sum_{k=1}^n \frac1{k}
Generalized harmonic numbers are defined as \sum_{k=1}^n \frac1{k^j} for some j.
Polygamma functions are simply derivatives of the digamma function. So trigamma is the derivative of digamma, tetragamma is the derivative of trigamma... you get the idea.
And digamma itself is the logarithmic derivative of the gamma function.
 
 
2 hours later…
1:32 PM
@JM: such a small question, such a small answer: what for? )
 
Okay, your call. :)
But yes, it's an exceedingly common beginner error...
 
the nice thing about Maple is that if you have right-handed button, you can do everything ) though I switched to Mathematica because it is much more beautiful )
 
1:47 PM
@JM If I think a particular question should go to stat.SE, should I flag for migration or close the question as off-topic (suggesting that it belongs to stats.SE)?
 
@Srivatsan Yesterday I voted to close such as question as off-topic. Some time later it showed up as "migrated to stats by such-and-such", and I was not among the such-and-such.
 
@HenningMakholm I noticed this question yesterday and was confused by that. (That's why I am asking this clarification. =))
 
Upon further investigation I misremembered.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that we commented on it synchronously.
 
FWIW, I was one of the voters to close (but I didn't worry as much because I was not the first voter =)).
@HenningMakholm Yes, that's accurate.
In this case, I flagged the mods first. Let's see if this is considered helpful or not. Although we can also vote to close as off-topic.
 
As a general principle, I think that when one can vote to migrate to the proper target, one should do that instead of flagging. I assume the mods check the list of pending close votes occasionally too.
 
1:58 PM
@HenningMakholm Um, you're right. I don't have any particular reason for flagging anyway.
I voted to close here.
Thanks for your input, Henning.
 
@Srivatsan vote to migrate is what I'd do.
 
@JM Hmm, I will keep that in mind. Thanks.
 
This one could use some jurors, given how stingy with information the OP is.
 
I think n-hat could be the estimated frequency of term t in document d.
 
QED
2:32 PM
hi
 
hey.
 
The new user page does not show when something changes. :-(
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When rep increased or a comment was made, it used to show up highlighted.
 
Yes, they neglected to include the red rep change indicator.
(They were bitching about it too in the meta.SO thread.)
 
Hello from the purgatory of philosophy of mathematics.
 
Mmm-hmm... :)
 
2:35 PM
@JM good, then I can find that thread rather than making a new one.
 
Ah, here!
 
QED
@Matt, did you get any more information on that weird question?
 
Not yet but seeing as i'm here i might just as well ask the lecturer during the break
 
QED
I wasn't able to find an FTA proof based on newtons method
 
Newton, or WDK?
 
QED
2:42 PM
well, either
 
You had a look at the Weierstrass paper?
 
QED
yeah but it was in German
 
Ah, yeah. Sadly I don't know if it's been Anglicized...
 
@all hi all
 
QED
hello
 
2:45 PM
is Ilya female ?
 
No, Ilya is a male name.
 
off........the probability finding a female on this site is that low
 
@RajeshD: have you tried gender.SE?
 
@RajeshD Well, I know at least three.
 
hmm......i am not trying......but curious
@J.M. : is it a top secret
 
2:48 PM
I'll just say I know there are at least three females here. You can sift through both main and meta for clues.
 
@JM and chat, may I add.
 
;)
 
@Srivatsan Hah, yes.
 
QED
looking for a wife or something?
 
2:50 PM
@robjohn At least I will spend less time checking my reputation changes and more time doing something useful. Anyway, highlighting new responses was a good thing, it's a pity it's not working at the moment.
 
whom was that question directed to .....J.M. i guess
 
@JM To make it more specific, I was the one who started the conversation there. The context was, I was kind of surprised and bit saddened at the gender ratio imbalance here.
 
QED
appalled?
 
There is always the option of inviting lady colleagues with mathematical interest, aptitude, or both.
@Srivatsan I think I was there during that talk... :)
 
QED
If women want to use the site there's nothing stopping them
 
2:52 PM
only to regret as they won't
 
@MartinSleziak Yes, responses is useful, and reputation is nice. I want the indicators back.
 
@QED Er, I am not suggesting that we are somehow oppressing them. ;)
 
meta.MO also had this discussion on the paucity of ladies.
 
Tim
@Srivatsan: Probably you have noticed. You might be interested in Andre's reply here math.stackexchange.com/q/84828/1281
 
@JM Er, I remember. Unfortunately, the reply button serves a dual role: (a) reply to some user X, (b) provide context for my comment for other readers. And in the present case, it was reason (b).
@Tim Oh, I did not notice the answer. Thanks.
 
2:57 PM
Oh, I was just remembering I was there. No worries. :)
 
@JM (The same comment holds for the previous message as well. =))
 
@RajeshD Behavior such as yours above is probably among the reasons why such women as there are here choose not to disclose their gender.
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@HenningMakholm Nice point, Henning. Thanks for that comment.
 
@Henning : you are saying A implies B, why don't you think that B implies A ?
 
Tim
@JM: Are those three ladies: Katie Banks, amWhy, nana
 
3:01 PM
@RajeshD because it doesn't follow logically?
 
@Tim I heard Phira is in that list.
 
@Henning : Oh ya I scared them all and sent them i away.............funny
 
Tim
@Srivatsan: Is Phira a french name?
 
I ain't confirmin' anything... *whistles*
 
@Tim Don't know. For that matter, it might be just an anonymous name.
 
3:03 PM
@rob When you observe that there don't seem to be many female users, and being a male you naturally tend to ask about gender when you find some interesting names............I suppose it isn't some sort of crime against gender
 
@RajeshD I was only commenting on the A->B so why not think B->A. Nothing more.
 
QED
This discussion has stopped being productive
 
Change topic, people? :)
 
my point was to prove that here B implied A......i.e., upon not finding many females I enquired
 
QED
@Rajesh, Don't worry about it - nobody is seriously blaming you.
 
3:05 PM
So, @JM, how's the weather tonight? =)
 
anyway i am off for dinner..............c u folks....bye
Oh sorry @QED I know
 
QED
bye
 
Bye, @Rajesh.
 
QED
How do you decide what topics in mathematics you can study next?
 
Ok i asked the lecturer and for my temptative answer from yesterday (involving goedel's incompleteness thm) i get full marks. Yay!
 
QED
3:08 PM
@Matt, I didn't hear your answer
what was it?
 
@Matt temptative?
 
QED
tentative
 
@Srivatsan Warm.
 
Sorry for typos am on iphone in lecture cannot really focus
 
@JM Here's it's raining the whole day.
@Matt Sorry, np Matt. I didn't quite see what word you intended, that's why the clarification. =)
 
3:11 PM
@Matt you're chatting with us in the midst of a lecture?
 
QED
that wont help your concentration
 
@Srivatsan Ah, that's great. It's nice to sleep during rainy nights.
 
@JM Yes, it's disappointing that the lecture is preventing him from paying enough attention to the chat. =)
 
Sri: exactly
 
Do we need both (natural-numbers) and (elementary-number-theory)?
 
QED
3:13 PM
@Matt?
 
A lot of people will strenuously object at a proposal to remove that second tag.
The first, however... what are the arguments for removal?
 
I'm proposing a synonym.
 
@JM Well, I was kind of bummed since yesterday. I was walking home from school in the evening when a car splashed water all over me. Then while returning to school, I wasn't carrying an umbrella. =)
 
This room stinks of sweat, why can't people shower and use deodorant
Not the chat room
 
QED
You seriously want people to use deodorant? Yuck
 
3:16 PM
@QED: sorry cant point u to the answer, search is too much pain on phone
U like BO?
 
QED
It's better than that spray on stuff
 
I cannot agree with this.
 
@JM Look at what we are discussing now... =)
 
@Srivatsan I hate that too. You'd think people would drive slower on wet roads, but noooooo...
@HenningMakholm In that case, maybe bring it up at that exceedingly long tag synonyms thread?
 
QED
@Matt, to me it's: nothing vs being chocked by some solvent
 
3:21 PM
-> perfume free deodorant
 
QED
I didn't know that existed
 
@Matt - didn't know about those.
 
I think i'll be quiet now
 
QED
that's certainly an improvement
(perfume free, not you being quiet)
 
@JM Is that somewhere on meta?
 
3:22 PM
:)
 
...and Sri beat me out...
 
Tim
Seems like everyone knows when others smell. How can we know if we smell, without others telling us?
 
And I thought this discussion was going to die =).
 
QED
@Srivatsan why is it so bad for you?
 
3:26 PM
@QED Well, on second thought, I don't care.
 
QED
I tried to bring up something else but nobody responded
 
All I'll say is that it's exceedingly difficult to defeat acclimatization.
 
@QED It's fine with me now. But out of curiosity, what's the something else?
 
QED
I was wondering how you pick something new to study
since I don't have any mathematics to do
 
@QED you've finished all the mathematics?
 
3:28 PM
Oh, yes. That question just got drowned.
 
@QED Didn't we ask you what sort of math you like a few days ago?
 
QED
@Ilya, I've done lots of easy stuff - There are lots of things out there that are far too difficult: The tricky thing is finding something interesting that I could actually cope with
 
@QED: are you a Master student?
 
Even the "easy stuff" can lead into pretty deep rabbit holes...
 
QED
no
 
3:32 PM
Easy stuff=?, Difficult things=? // Asking just to get an idea.
 
@RajeshD wth? I thought you were going to marry another user
 
@HenningMakholm Do you think the synonym will accept?
 
QED
@Srivatsan I just mean I have the prerequisites like number systems, linear algebra, .. things like that
 
Yeah, Sri's right. You might want to make a bucket list of "easy" and "sofa king hard"...
 
@Rob: good morning
 
3:35 PM
@Ilya Howdy.
Is is morning there, too?
 
@robjohn I think you already know Ilya's time zone. ;)
 
@JM I guess I should have used The Eye's gravatar for this period
 
Grad student's dictionary. Easy things: what I have done so far. Hard stuff: what I haven't.
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@JM Do I know Ilya? I don't recall the name...
 
@robjohn in the Netherlands it is afternoon
 
QED
3:36 PM
yes
 
@robjohn Yes you do. :)
 
@robjohn Yes, you do. That's a clue by the way.
 
@Ilya Ah, then I do know ;-)
 
@robjohn I thought you would deduce who Ilya is from the knowledge that you know him. =)
 
That we share the same brain?
 
3:38 PM
Clearly there is a delay in the neural impulses...
 
@JM don't forget that I changed my name at 10 am. At Rob's place it is 7-30 am only
 
I have a hard enough time keeping the voices in my head straight without them changing names.
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@JM Quite cool, no?
 
I am not going to divide that fraction by hand... ;P
 
3:39 PM
@robjohn Not understood.
 
@JM So do you mean that Rajesh wondering about my gender didn't know who am I?
 
QED
I think the "ugly approach" is quite beautiful
 
@Ilya Clearly.
 
@HenningMakholm you were proposing a synonym, so I was wondering if it would accept. (engagement joke)
 
You are English i take it
 
3:42 PM
@robjohn Oh, this is new to me. So I should say: "I am proposing X next week", and not "I am proposing to X next week"?
 
Wouldn't that be if I were proposing to a synonym?
 
@Srivatsan It was a stretch...
 
English humour?
 
@Matt British?
 
"I am proposing to X next week" does give a hint of a ring...
 
3:43 PM
@robjohn Nah, I think you can do better. =)
 
Yes
 
@JM I would only have one question: why so long? let's do X today
 
do X? Boy, you are in a hurry.
 
Tss... do X after the engagement. Sheesh... :P
...and "let's"... is there something you're not telling me?
 
if I have to do X, it's better to do it as earlier as possible and get rid of X
 
3:46 PM
@JM - what did you mean? The votes or the other answers?
The last answer is particularly inspiring.
 
@Srivatsan That particular answer.
 
Animations to the rescue again: I added one to an existing answer and got an upvote. :-)
 
@robjohn :) That one was nice.
 
People like cartoons I guess... :)
 
My upvote will be delivered at night.
 
3:48 PM
@robjohn and one more. though it was about your approach, not about the cartoon
 
@JM Saturday morning math cartoons... an idea whose time has yet to come.
 
don't care, I sleep usually that time )
 
17 people here. It's getting crowded. It's nice that there's a lot of room in here.
 
Wow, that multiple-choice thingie is now "Famous"...
 
9 people and 8 ghosts.
 
3:50 PM
Sent off my transcripts to Harvard. Now to figure out whether it's worth applying to MIT...
 
Why wouldn't it be?
 
Well... I'm not sure whether they even do much algebraic geometry/topology in MIT, let alone category theory...
 
@ZhenLin That's where research is useful.
 
@ZhenLin You've checked their faculty profile already?
 
I'm not an expert in algebraic geometry/topology, so it's hard for me to judge whether there's a lot or not much. But I can see that there definitely is essentially no category theory.
 
3:56 PM
Bbl
 
QED
I tried to make a list of the things I liked but it's very short
 
Short enough to post here?
 
Okay, I tried going into the Reputation view, choosing the "time" option, and then try to open the reputation for a past date and I get an error. Does this work for anyone else?
 
same thing on the "post" view
 
4:11 PM
@robjohn Nothing is happening for me when I click. No error either.
 
I see that Asaf has unpinned my link to codecogs.
 
@robjohn Yes, I'm getting a yellow popup saying it can't load.
 
@Srivatsan I get a message saying "Error occurred when loading post body"
 
@QED Okay. Number theory's quite wide. That's one of those "easy stuff that slowly lead to more elaborate stuff" subjects.
 
QED
4:13 PM
oh I forgot quadratic reciprocity
 
Indeed. Like combinatorics.
 
Ah, there: QED, where would combinatorics be in your list?
 
@Srivatsan Thanks. So it has not gone unnoticed
 
@robjohn With so many people idling around in the chatroom, I doubt that anything would go unnoticed... =)
 
QED
I don't know what to say about combinatorics
 
4:15 PM
@Srivatsan just kidding, just kidding
 
@QED Then it's easy to count.
 
QED
I thought that thing in A=B about proving identities was very cool
that can go in the combinatorial section
 
QED, Is it ok to ask what you do: undergrad, grad, PhD, ...?
 
QED
I completed an undergrad
 
@QED That could be either combinatorics or special functions.
 
4:21 PM
@QED Good. So are you looking to go to grad school? When you said you want to learn some topic, is it in the sense of an undergrad course or is it for research or something else?
 
QED
I just want to do some mathematics
study
it's tough finding something I can get on with though
 
There. I posted a bug on it.
 
Re Henning's comment here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/84974/…, is it possible to upper bound the perimeter if we're told that the island is convex?
That makes intuitive sense, but I don't see what that upper bound is. // The OP has the same question, good. =)
 
@robjohn Interestingly, I only get that error after I try to see reputation from some older days. (When I click on an arrow to show details of that particular day.)
BTW should it be called reputation button or reputation tab?
 
Perhaps tab. I will change it.
 
QED
4:36 PM
any other thoughts what I am missing?
 
@robjohn Here's screenshot from what happened to me, if you want to use it: i.stack.imgur.com/QjyfB.png
 
Thanks. I will add a link to that.
 
@QED I am interested in your question. But I don't have enough experience or expertise to give meaningful comments. =)
 
BTW do we have a tag for algebra in the sense algebra over a field?
 
@MartinSleziak (The usual "not an expert" disclaimer.) This won't fall under abstract algebra?
Or, do you mean a tag analogous to and ? In that case, I presume that the tag must mean "the study of algebras" rather than "algebras" themselves.
 
4:51 PM
Perhaps this is another question of this kind, although it already has plenty of tags: math.stackexchange.com/questions/82997/…
 
@MartinSleziak Actually, I think 5 tags is the limit.
 
Yes I know about 5 tags limit.
 
Hai.
 
@JonasTeuwen Hi Jonas.
 
I stumbled on the first question because it is tagged algebra - which is no longer used and definitely not suitable there.
So I looked for other questions concerning algebras.
 
4:54 PM
@JonasTeuwen We were talking about you today. =)
 
Are there seriously guys looking for girls on MSE? :D. Absurd.
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@JonasTeuwen Well, I agree at least about looking for them in the chatroom, if not the main site.
 
Well it will be pretty hard to find a girlfriend that's a mathematician. But why would that be necessary? She will not be your colleague.
Plus, then you can explain ridiculously easy things and feel better about your stupidity =).
 

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