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user2334
4:00 PM
But if it works, awesome. I just reserve the right to never reference it :P
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@MarkTrapp also, did you know that we only have 8 faq questions and they're all over a year old?
 
user2334
Those should probably be revisited
 
QAdley
QAdley
Wow, I missed quite the shitstorm earlier
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@MarkTrapp maybe the first task is figuring out which questions should be faq
 
user2334
@murgatroid99 I agree. There's this question from beta, but I think a new "What should be in our meta FAQ?" would be better
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
4:02 PM
@MarkTrapp right, and that's about the actual site FAQ, not meta FAQ questions
@MarkTrapp asking now
 
James
James
@RonanForman New episode day today?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
0
Q: What questions should be in our meta FAQ?

murgatroid99The tag faq is useful on many sites on this network for creating a list of questions that many users need to know but could never fit in the site FAQ. Arqade is not using that tag to its fullest potential. The tag currently has exactly 8 questions, and all are over a year old. This is not good be...

discussion
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@James Done.
 
agent86
agent86
@murgatroid99 I made a list of the major "meta policy" at one point, and considered posting it. I got derailed by a number of other issues, though.
I can provide it as a reference. Part of the problem is keeping it organized as our opinions and the finer points of policy change.
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: What questions should be in our meta FAQ?

murgatroid99The tag faq is useful on many sites on this network for creating a list of questions that many users need to know but could never fit in the site FAQ. Arqade is not using that tag to its fullest potential. The tag currently has exactly 8 questions, and all are over a year old. This is not good be...

discussion
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Q: Please don't delete controversial questions immediately

Mad ScientistClosed questions, except for duplicates, are regularly deleted to clean up the site. I've done that often enough myself on the sites where I'm a moderator. But except for some extreme cases, I always try to leave the questions visible for long enough to give the community the opportunity to overt...

discussion closing deleted-questions
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
4:18 PM
 
James
James
@RonanForman Freezing Free? :)
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@James I think so.
Yeah, I checked.
 
James
James
Kewl
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@AshleyNunn I am.
 
James
James
@RonanForman Oi I see you digging out the ceiling and I cringe cause I play TFCraft so much :D
LOL
I apologize to any kids watching.. Unless they can't read.
 
UQAllulloo
UQAllulloo
4:34 PM
So, my brother's credit card info got stolen, and it will take about a week to get a replacement card. Can someone buy the Indie Royale bundle for me, and then I can pay you back in a week or so?
 
James
James
OMG OMG OMG! Borderlands 2 FINALLY on Steam!!! And 10% off if you already own Borderlands 1 :D
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
@James Christ. As if they didn't take enough of my money over the past couple of weeks
Valve really knows how to suck my wallet dry.
When's the official release date again?
 
user15026
@origamirobot good you should be happy
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
NVM. I see it on the game's page now. 9/18
 
James
James
awesome awesome awesome!
BL1 is 75% off for the Game of the Year edition
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
4:41 PM
@RESPAWN I'll be happily lost in Legends of Pegasus at that point.
 
James
James
@fbueckert Lies!!
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
@fbueckert I'm just hoping that I can get through some of my gaming back log before then so I can feel better about starting up a new game.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James You're saying that Borderlands 2 will get it's hooks in me? Or just that you know me better than myself? :P
 
James
James
@fbueckert BL2 is BL2 man, it can not be resisted :)
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@fbueckert I'm super excited about this game.
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
4:45 PM
I know I'm late to this party, but this question should not have been re-opened. Forget on/off topic. It is simply Not Constructive.
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
0
Q: Slender Game - Safe Download

MystagogueI want to try the free "Slender" horror game, but the shares to reach it do not promise the executable is clean. So I'd like to know either (1) a recommended download share or (2) a free tool that will scan an individual executable / installer / zip for malware.

first-person-shooter
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
@James See. Now I almost don't want to buy the game just to prove you wrong. :-P
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Fluttershy We should play multiplayer sometime.
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: Slender Game - Safe Download

MystagogueI want to try the free "Slender" horror game, but the shares to reach it do not promise the executable is clean. So I'd like to know either (1) a recommended download share or (2) a free tool that will scan an individual executable / installer / zip for malware.

first-person-shooter
0
Q: Steam ports blocked

TMPMy schools internet network seems to block a few ports making me get kicked off of online steam games pretty quickly. I have a list of those ports, but it states: Note: Many university networks and proxies block required ports for Steam operation - please consult your network administrator...

steam technical-issues
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@OrigamiRobot I agree with you, but since it's been closed, deleted, undeleted, and re-opened, we should probably hold off until we can come to a consensus on it.
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
4:48 PM
@OrigamiRobot Why?
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@MadScientist "this question will likely solicit debate, arguments, polling, or extended discussion. "
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@MadScientist So if my nephew makes up a poem about video games and I post it on YouTube, is it constructive for me to ask about it here?
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@fbueckert See my comment on the question in.... question.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Fluttershy Saw it. Flagged it for a mod to lock until we decide what to do about it.
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@fbueckert If anything, it should be closed prior to locking.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
4:51 PM
@James I bought two copies of BL1 when it first came out. I loved the game, but lost interest as more and more DLC came out. What's better about BL2?
@Fluttershy I agree with the point of view that it should be closed; but from the user's point of view, we're just arbitrarily closing, opening, deleting willy nilly.
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
One could argue about notability, but that is something we haven't required so far. If the topic is of interest only to a tiny group of people, it might be too localized. I didn't check how popular that youtube video is
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@MadScientist 69 views.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
So, we should hash out what to do with it before we continue with the closing and re-opening.
 
user15026
It needs a lock and a meta post or something.
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@MadScientist Searchability is another problem. Who is going to find that video on YouTube, question its references, and end up on that question for an answer?
 
user15026
4:54 PM
And if it has one, it needs to be left until a coherent decision is made.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
4 mins ago, by fbueckert
@Fluttershy Saw it. Flagged it for a mod to lock until we decide what to do about it.
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
But I don't see non-constructiveness. It's an answerable question, and the expertise you need to answer is is being a gamer
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
1 min ago, by fbueckert
So, we should hash out what to do with it before we continue with the closing and re-opening.
 
James
James
@fbueckert All new classes, seems there are NPCs that you can gear up to fight along with you.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
:P
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
4:55 PM
@MadScientist Who's to say "Stay a while and listen" is from Diablo? I heard it in Magicka. Maybe the YouTuber is talking about Magicka. Without the actual creator of the video giving the answer, it is all speculative.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MadScientist The creator could be referencing games other than the original; we just don't know, one way or the other.
@James Ok. Still doesn't interest me that much.
 
user15026
@fluttershy this. We have no way of concretely knowing for sure. Gaming refs get recycled so often that it can be hard to find a concrete origin unless the maker explains it.
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
@Fluttershy That can always be the case with references, but you can find out who was first in many cases
 
James
James
@fbueckert k, how about it was just a great story the first time, good game play and great Co-Op
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
@Fluttershy And in this case it's easy, it's not Magicka as that was much later than Diablo
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
4:58 PM
@James Sooooo I should buy BL2 because it's more of the same as BL1?
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@MadScientist But how do we know the person who made the video has even played Diablo? We don't. Assumption isn't what we do here. We deal with expertise. We have no way of saying with 100% certainty what the youtuber was talking about.
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
@Fluttershy The correct answer is not the author's intent, which we can't know as you say, but the origin of the reference
 
Fluttershy
Fluttershy
@MadScientist The origin of the reference based on that YouTube video. The YouTuber made that video for the sole purpose of people guessing.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MadScientist How do you get that interpretation? That sounds like, "Doesn't matter what the author intended, here's what's right."
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@MadScientist I can and will make up poems and/or songs to ask questions about. How is that constructive?
 
James
James
5:01 PM
@fbueckert I will be very happy if it is just that, but yes :)
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James Nope. If BL1 had interested me enough, I would've finished it's DLC. Since I didn't, it'll take more than that to convince me. :)
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
@fbueckert If the author attributes a reference to someone that just cites earlier games, he made a mistake. A complete answer might include more than one game (originally Diablo, later repeated in Magicka, ...)
 
James
James
@fbueckert well good luck with that. I will be too busy enjoying what should be an awesome game to try and make you realize that what you are saying is a bit ass backwards :D
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
In fact, @spugsley would be overjoyed to hear that she can ask people about her Diablo songs and get rep for it.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James :P Like I said, I'll be happily buried in Legends of Pegasus at that point.
 
user15026
5:04 PM
Oh man @origamirobot now I want to hear these songs.
 
James
James
@fbueckert And how was that games first version?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
And a gun RNG can't hold a candle to mashing as many guns as possible into a hull.
@James They have a FIRST version!?
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@AshleyNunn hugs
I'll explain later.
tortoise swoosh
 
James
James
@fbueckert And there shold be some DLC in order for you to want to play it.. the DLC had to have been awesome for that game
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MadScientist What if the references we're interpreting aren't even the references he was intending?
 
FAE
FAE
5:06 PM
@OrigamiRobot I don't think any of those songs would be safe for the site. :P
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@FAE Yea we would have to edit the swears out.
 
user15026
@wipqozn why the random hug?
 
user15026
I am so confused.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James I'm not following your train of thought. You're basing it off of...it's previous version? With DLC?
 
James
James
@fbueckert Hehe, Sarcasm man, your measuring stick seems skewed to me :D
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
5:07 PM
@fbueckert Maybe some references are ambiguous, then you can either list multiple games or try to determine the origin of the reference.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MadScientist And what part of listing multiple games isn't speculation?
@James I base my opinion of Borderlands off of what I've played.
And from what I've played, I like it, but it's scratched the Diablo gun itch.
 
James
James
@fbueckert And the first game sucked so much that you bought DLC but since you didnt finish the DLC the other core game is going to suck,, Yeah I dont get it :)
 
Ender
Ender
is there a meta question\discussion involving our 11 hidden whatever question that raised all the hubbub?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
Whereas a new 4X game that looks as complicated as LoP is going to send me into ecstasy.
@James I'm trying to get you to convince me to get it. :P If it's just more of the same, sorry, no. Been there, done that. If it has new features, such as craftable guns or something like that, I'd be all over that.
 
James
James
On a completely unrelated note
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
5:10 PM
I love fiasco!
 
FAE
FAE
@James I'm going to be playing this this week.
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
I have only played once, but it was awesome.
 
James
James
@OrigamiRobot I hate it actually its not a game, its people telling a .. crappy story :D
 
FAE
FAE
My friends and I are gonna do setup tonight.
 
James
James
@FAE Let me know how it goes :)
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
5:11 PM
@fbueckert Depending on how strict you are, either only the first occurence of the reference or all of them are valid answers. No speculation necessary
 
FAE
FAE
@James I'm very excited.
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@James You roll dice at the end. That's enough, right?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MadScientist My definition of speculation must be broken, then, as I see it as ALL of the answers are speculating on what the author meant.
 
James
James
@OrigamiRobot Not for my gaming group.. We love gloom though :)
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
Sidenote:
-3
A: How do I stop the launcher bringing up the UAC prompt every time?

palswimI successfully run the program using Compatibility Mode for Windows 2000. Find launcher.exe and go to the program Properties (Right-click > Properties) > Compatibility tab. There, check the Run this program in compatibility mode for: box, and select Windows 2000 in the Drop-down. My specific in...

 
UQAllulloo
UQAllulloo
5:13 PM
Can someone buy the Indie Royale bundle for me, and then I can pay you back in a week or so?
 
OrigamiRobot
OrigamiRobot
@James You must just have bad friends. Our story was awesome
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
He has confirmed his answer, so if anyone's downvoted him, please undownvote, at least.
 
Lazers
Lazers
0
Q: Backtracking in Legend of Grimrock

sepIs every secret you missed on previous floor always obtainable later in the game or is there any blocking factor or any floor not reachable?

legend-of-grimrock
 
James
James
@fbueckert No crafting just a better generation system it seems (There are components that can be more random but you do not seem to get to rip em apart and put them together) So yeah just new classes, new NPCs and some neat looking co-op game mechanics, but if you are looking for crafting that is not there.
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@James I forgot I made that joke, I'm not amused too. I think I was going crazy.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
5:18 PM
@James So, the only thing different is neat looking co-op mechanics? Sorry, dude, but that's not enough to make me shell out for it.
 
James
James
@fbueckert Yeah that last statement was me giving up on you man :)
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
Squee mode
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
Ok, so my request for locking our fun game identification question got declined. So, hey, I guess that means we should close it.
@James No worries, dude. :) I'll probably get it at some point, but with a shiny new 4X, with massive ship customization, a gun Diablo is far down the list.
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
@RonanForman What's this Dave that it's going to be exclusive to?
 
James
James
@fbueckert ... 4x massive ship customization???
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
5:24 PM
@RESPAWN A channel up until earlier this year only showed repeats.
 
Ender
Ender
0
Q: What happened to questions about problems?

EnderTaken straight from the FAQ: You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. Now, I for one know that I have broken this rule and asked a question that was not based on an actual problem. I think we all have to be honest about it. And frankly, I t...

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Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
Mainly topgear and red dwarf. And a couple of panel shows.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
yesterday, by fbueckert
It is because of images like this that I am looking forward to Legends of Pegasus.
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
@RonanForman Ah. Gotcha. So a British TV channel. lol
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@RESPAWN Aye.
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
5:25 PM
I never really watched Red Dwarf, but now I'm wondering if it's on Netflix
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@RESPAWN Netflix doesn't have anything on it.
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
:(
 
Ender
Ender
@fbueckert I still play Moo2, i have yet to find an 4e game that takes my interest like that did
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
That's a generalisation, I'd still check.
 
Halfwarr
Halfwarr
How do you do spoiler tags? I can't find how to do it anywhere on this site. (Sorry if I missed it somewhere)
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
5:26 PM
Yeah. Checking now just to be sure... Assuming I can remember my password
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Ender Sadly, my introduction to 4X games was Space Empires 3. Which has heavily influenced what I look for in a 4X.
 
user15026
@respawn I know it is on Canadian Netflix. Or it was recently.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Halfwarr Find a post that uses it, and click edit. :P
 
Halfwarr
Halfwarr
@fbueckert thanks so its >!
 
RESPAWN
RESPAWN
Nope. Not on American Netflix. At least not for streaming. But then I don't pay for the DVD subscription
 
user15026
5:29 PM
@halfwarr yes :)
 
Halfwarr
Halfwarr
any of you play Legend of Grirmrock?
I'm really enjoying it
 
Ender
Ender
I gotta give the mods some credit, managing the chaos that is ArQAde is practically a part-time job.
I wanted to be a mod at one point, I'm not sure I still do.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James I suspect you got lost in the gorgeous screenshots of LoP. :P
 
James
James
@fbueckert Nah it was confusing and told me nothing of the game
I am finishing up the Fiasco episode of Table Top :D
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James Heh. Touché.
Would you rather I linked to their videos?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
5:42 PM
@agent86 Can you link to that reference in a comment on my meta question? It might help to have it handy.
 
agent86
agent86
@murgatroid99 yeah, I don't know the best way to post it. right now it's in a private post on my blog (since my blog has markdown support).
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
37 mins ago, by Wipqozn
I'll explain later.
 
agent86
agent86
I was considering either adding it as an answer, or pastebinning it somewhere.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
37 mins ago, by Wipqozn
tortoise swoosh
 
agent86
agent86
@Wipqozn tortoise yank HAH, got you, turtle face!
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
5:43 PM
@agent86 that's what I was thinking. Even as the start of a CW answer it might be useful
 
agent86
agent86
@murgatroid99 done postin'ated
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@agent86 yeah, I saw. It looks like a good start
 
Lazers
Lazers
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Q: What happened to questions about problems?

EnderTaken straight from the FAQ: You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. Now, I for one know that I have broken this rule and asked a question that was not based on an actual problem. I think we all have, to be honest about it. And frankly, I ...

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James
James
@fbueckert How about just a description of the game? :D
 
agent86
agent86
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
5:52 PM
@James 4X games need a description? From what I've seen of the screenshots, planets have a grid for facilities, and they're talking about being able to build shipyards around planets.
And it's really, REALLY pretty.
 
James
James
@fbueckert What is a 4X game?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James And this is where I facepalm. Silly me, expecting you to understand a general genre term. :P
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@James Like Civilization.
Expand, explore, something, something
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
4X
4X games are a genre of strategy video game in which players control an empire and "explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate". The term was first coined by Alan Emrich in his September 1993 preview of Master of Orion for Computer Gaming World. Since then, others have adopted the term to describe games of similar scope and design. 4X games are noted for their deep, complex gameplay. Emphasis is placed upon economic and technological development, as well as a range of non-military routes to supremacy. Games can take a long time to complete since the amount of micromanagement needed to ...
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
I don't remember the other Xs.
I thought one was exterminate but that seemed more like insects than other civilizations.
 
James
James
5:55 PM
Ah, Space TBS game?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James Simple summation, yes.
 
James
James
@fbueckert Simple is good :D
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@fbueckert Are you talking about GalCiv?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@StrixVaria New 4X coming out in a couple of weeks. Legends of Pegasus.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@fbueckert I always have way more fun watching those games than playing them.
Remind me when it comes out so I can check out some videos.
I had a friend who played a lot of GalCiv in college.
It was hilarious to watch him get swarmed and murdered.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
5:59 PM
@StrixVaria Pfft. I'll be entirely lost in the game. No time for videos, must cram more engines into the hull!
 
Koviko
Koviko
@StrixVaria How nice.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Koviko He liked playing on difficulties too high for his skill level.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@StrixVaria That's one way to get better.
 
user2334
@Ender Okay, so I meant make your question here neutral in tone so people can voice their positions and reasons for why the question should or shouldn't be closed. Right now, the question is the same as the dupe suggestion I linked: it's fine that your answer to the question of "Should the question be closed?" is based on a reading of the practical problems clause: that should be your answer so people can evaluate it separately from the question itself
 
user2334
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Q: What happened to questions about problems?

EnderTaken straight from the FAQ: You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. Now, I for one know that I have broken this rule and asked a question that was not based on an actual problem. I think we all have, to be honest about it. And frankly, I ...

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Ender
Ender
6:03 PM
@MarkTrapp ok
still kinda learning how to do this proper, appreciate all patience involved. :d
 
user2334
No problem: generally, unless you want to make an announcement or a feature request, you always want to separate the question from your thoughts on the question. We've all made the same error, but in this case, your position detracts from the project, which is to talk about this question, not the merits of closing against the problems you actually face clause
 
user2334
And we just so happen to have a question already for the latter :P
 
Ender
Ender
Busy Busy Bumble-Bees!
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
Oh WTF I just looked up the release date for Half-Life 2. It's almost 8 years old.
Seriously Valve.
 
user2334
Isn't Ep 2 from like 2007 though?
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
6:07 PM
@MarkTrapp Yes, but that's still 5 years.
:(
 
user2334
At least they're not Blizzarding it up with 12 year gaps :P
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@MarkTrapp Yet.
 
Rapida
Rapida
I unaccepted the answer for this question: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/37525/… mostly based on this: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/5140/… . Would it be wrong to cast summon question by editing it for a bump?
 
user2334
I like to think that when Gaben dies, his body will be consumed by a beacon of light, and when that light fades, the gold master of Half-Life 3 will coalesce from nothingness.
 
user2334
@Rapida Why are you trying to bump it? To get attention to attract a correct answer?
 
user2334
6:10 PM
(if so, use a bounty)
 
user2334
If you're planning on clarifying the question by editing thereby causing a bump, that's okay too. But bumping without doing either is ಠ_ಠ
 
Rapida
Rapida
@MarkTrapp Yeah, I that's what I figured just not too enthused with giving away my precious reputation on a game that I've not played for ages.
 
Koviko
Koviko
@Rapida Then you don't want an answer that badly.
 
user2334
 
Ender
Ender
@MarkTrapp Is this any better? I know I didnt change much but I felt I didn't need to in order to make the question less of a question +answer
 
user2334
6:16 PM
Well, I mean your entire position should be moved into an answer, not just the last line. Make the question something like, "We have this question, [link], there's some disagreement about whether it should stay open ([optional link to said discussion]). Should this stay open or be closed?"
 
user2334
Otherwise the question is about your reasoning, not whether the question should be closed. Your reasoning being already addressed in a different question
 
user2334
I think I forgot to say that people can agree that the question should be closed, but not for the reasons you give. As it is now, it's hard to discuss anything other than your specific reasons why the question should be closed. If you're just looking to get the question closed, allowing for other positions that may be stronger would be effective
 
user2334
@Ender Perfect, thanks! Sorry to be such a bugbear about it.
 
Ender
Ender
No prob at all. Thanks for the guiding hand
 
Rapida
Rapida
@Koviko Yeah I don't particularly care about the answer since I've stopped playing Skyrim. It was more the principal of the matter about one of my questions had an answer that could be wrong. @MarkTrapp You are sort of awesome..
 
Koviko
Koviko
6:25 PM
Whoa, I lose reputation for downvoting?
 
user2334
@Ender de nada: I adjusted the title as well to follow suit with the change
 
user2334
@Rapida de rien: something something pants on one leg at a time something something gold records.
 
Koviko
Koviko
@MarkTrapp Please respond in the form of a question.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Ender ...You should put your opinions into pixel's meta; I feel there's a large difference between her viewpoint when trying to learn, and yours.
 
StrixVaria
StrixVaria
@Koviko Costs 1 rep to downvote an answer. It's free to downvote questions.
 
user2334
6:27 PM
@Koviko Never?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
Not to try to cause offense to anyone, especially not pixel, but I find nitpicking an opposing argument when you're trying to learn how the site works is usually counter intuitive.
 
Koviko
Koviko
lol
 
Ender
Ender
@fbueckert I may do just that, ill re read her\his meta and see how i can help
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert It's also a personality flaw, meaning there's not much you can do it about it.
It's just who you are.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Koviko Yes, you can. As you mature, you'll find that some battles are not worth fighting.
 
user2334
6:29 PM
@fbueckert I think there's merit to opening a meta question about this specific question, as it hasn't been done yet. Pixel's question is more about the inscrutability of the rules
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert Nothing you can do it about it immediately. Maturing is a slow process that requires you to want to change.
Otherwise, you are just acting for the sake of others.
 
user2334
And an oak cask in a cool dark cellar. Wait, we're not talking about bourbon are we?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Koviko Peer pressure is a wonderful (and sometimes very bad) thing; the need to fit in is an overriding instinct in humans.
 
Rapida
Rapida
@fbueckert WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
Sidenote: That wasn't really worth starring; I'm just talking about my personal experiences.
 
Koviko
Koviko
6:32 PM
@fbueckert I am of the camp that believes that we are the product of our experiences and they show in our personalities. I believe that some people feel the best way to fit in is to find a group of outcasts.
And the best way to find that group is to voice opposing opinions.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Koviko So, basically, make a nuisance of yourself until you find like-minded individuals?
I'm not sure if I agree with that.
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert That's the point!
As long as you are part of the majority, you are not hip.
Or.. You are hip, which isn't hip...
I forget exactly how it works.
Just think "goth clique."
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Koviko Honestly, I think that's not really the best way to go about it; if your current group does not share your viewpoints, don't become a speed bump they want to flatten; find a group that DOES share your views.
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert See, this mentality is just The Man trying to hold you down.
The Man being Jeff & crew.
 
user2334
You know who could solve this problem them? Ron Paul. Neil deGrasse Tyson.
 
tiddy
tiddy
6:39 PM
I don't think he'd bore himself with these "problems"
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Koviko I think you're trying to channel pixel right now. :P
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert You can't stop the truth, man!
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@Koviko There's stoner truth, and then there's everybody else truth. :P
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert And only the former is the real truth!
Can I get an Amen?
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
But, regardless, the point I'm making is that the learning process requires a short period where you suspend your disbelief. It's hard to learn when you spend the entire time arguing or disagreeing with the teacher.
And the best attitude I've found for learning anything at all, if a mistake is made somewhere, assuming you made it tends to work much better for getting to the root cause of it.
Even if you didn't make the mistake, people are much more receptive when you don't attempt to blame them for something.
 
Koviko
Koviko
6:48 PM
No one is saying that you are wrong.
But no one is saying that you are right, either.
Forever in purgatory, you are.
May the Force be with you.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MarkTrapp A little late, but you think we should discuss the learning attitude in meta?
 
user2334
 
Koviko
Koviko
@fbueckert That's wayyyy too meta.
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
 
user2334
@fbueckert I take my philosophy of education cues from Platocrates. Most people don't want to learn: they just want to do whatever. So trying to get them to come around is a waste of time. Focus all efforts on those that can be reached.
 
tiddy
tiddy
 
user2334
6:53 PM
You can tell the latter from the former because they generally are receptive to feedback and ask questions before jumping to conclusions
 
user2334
@tiddy Oh, is this a deGrasse Tyson meme-off? I wasn't prepared
 
tiddy
tiddy
Thought it fit
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MarkTrapp That's a good philosophy. Problem is, I have a very teaching mindset. I like to teach everybody.
 
James
James
@fbueckert Need to fit in or need for acceptance? Cause those are not the same thing (And I am not sure the first one exists :))
 
Rapida
Rapida
This seems like an advertisement for d3auction house to me: gaming.stackexchange.com/a/78717/3015
Maybe I'm being overly suspicious though
 
user2334
6:56 PM
@Rapida I followed the link and there's nothing about the question there. Spammy spam spam
 
user2334
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James Need to fit in is usually derived from need for acceptance. Rare is the teen group than can or will accept someone who doesn't fit in.
As you mature, your self confidence allows you to interact with others outside your viewpoints, and accept them without agreeing with them.
 
James
James
@fbueckert Fitting in might get you acceptance.. I am just not sure if it is a direct need or just a course of action to obtain acceptance.
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@James Usually the latter; you can fit in, but not be accepted.
 
James
James
@fbueckert Meh, I know many 'mature' people who are still just as pig headed as always :D
 
tiddy
tiddy
6:58 PM
@MarkTrapp what is Platocrates?
or who
 
fbueckert
fbueckert
@MarkTrapp Yup. Spam user. Destroy.
 
James
James
@tiddy Maybe the belief that Plato just created stories about Socrates and that Socrates never really existed?
 
tiddy
tiddy
I mean I think I know what you meant but I've never heard the term
 
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