The Bridge

9:00 PM

@murgatroid99 Ganeti still has a mailing list where people email patches to each other. Making patch series of small changes that apply cleanly was quite the priority. Teams with better tooling will probably have different priorities.

murgatroid99

@badp we use GitHub

badp

Ganeti hasn't made the switch yet.

They have their own hosted repository, too.

git.ganeti.org

murgatroid99

> The project homepage is at code.google.com.

I hope that changes soon

badp

I'm sure they're fully aware.

Ganeti is a Google product after all.

murgatroid99

@badp huh, I'd never even heard of it

badp

9:04 PM

@murgatroid99 It's the team I worked in during my Google internship

Frank

I downvoted someone on A51 whining about downvotes on his proposal. Now he's finding other A51 posts of mine to comment on.

badp

The great thing about it is that, since it is a FOSS product, I didn't have to learn the first thing about Google's proprietary anything. Everything I learned is useful in the outside world.

murgatroid99

@Frank the canonical reason why people should not be required to explain downvotes

Frank

@murgatroid99 Yeeep.

badp

(Well okay I did learn a few things, but no more than I wanted.)

Frank

9:06 PM

I basically just told him to shove it, and come back when he actually has an argument.

murgatroid99

@badp Well, ~~Blaze~~ Bazel is open source now. Eventually, knowledge about internal proprietary stuff should be more useful in the outside world

badp

@murgatroid99 ooooooooooo

Sterno

Really?

badp

Somehow I hadn't heard about it

murgatroid99

@badp It happened yesterday, I think

Yuuki

9:07 PM

@Frank And apparently lurking on chat to flag you?

badp

@murgatroid99 Well, grats on launching!

Sterno

flag troll is back!

Frank

@Yuuki Er?

Did I get flagged?

badp

@murgatroid99 unless it wasn't you who launched. but still, grats.

Yuuki

@Frank Yeah.

murgatroid99

9:08 PM

@badp It wasn't me. It was just talked about internally

Frank

I almost feel like someone is specifically targetting me with out of context flags.

Could a mod look into who's flagged me recently, please?

See if there's any correlation at all?

Kevin van der Velden

@Frank don't think that's possible

GnomeSlice

That was me, because you shouldn't go around bragging about how rude you are to people.

Frank

@GnomeSlice A) I'm not bragging. I'm pointing out a sequence of events.

B) You need thicker skin.

djsmiley2k

siiigh

user15026

9:11 PM

@GnomeSlice This is not an appropriate use of flags.

djsmiley2k

server wants to fsck :(

Sterno

@LessPop_MoreFizz how? I thought keys were coming out tomorrow

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn I disagree.

Sterno

@Frank Showing that people shouldn't explain their ~~downvotes~~ flags

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Frank

@Sterno I wasn't asking for an explanation.

I was asking for an investigation.

badp

9:13 PM

@murgatroid99 Well I can't wait for autobazel to come forward, and then autobazelconf

and then automakeautobazelconf

Matt Giltaji

@Sterno i got my steam key and can download the game but it's not launchable until tomorrow at whatever time

murgatroid99

@badp I really hope not

badp

Sarcasm check: critical failure

murgatroid99

(says the team that's considering generating a Bazel BUILD file)

badp

oh of course, make yourselves the bazel build file. That'll let you use the existing autoconf hell

murgatroid99

9:15 PM

@badp nah, we have our own build file generator tool

badp

but do you have your own build file generator tool generator tool?

murgatroid99

@badp no, it's just one level

We won't need another level unless someone besides us wants to use it

badp

Basically autoconf generates the automake script that actually results in the make file with all the rules.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp is that a tool for a generator or a tool that is a generator?

badp

@KevinvanderVelden Wikipedia says yes.

Matt Giltaji

9:17 PM

@murgatroid99 google's whole code base is in a single version control system? one massive github repo?

murgatroid99

@MattGiltaji Our team works with open source stuff. Our primary code base isn't the google code base

badp

@MattGiltaji Google uses Perforce.

@badp sort of

Well yes.

mostly

9:18 PM

"Google uses Perforce" is the public answer; I didn't want to go check how much more in depth the public answer goes.

Matt Giltaji

the bazel site says

> All of our server code base is in a single, gigantic version control system.

badp

Apparently git5 is also talked about in the public however, so I guess the full extent of my knowledge of the proprietary answer is also public.

murgatroid99

@MattGiltaji oh, yeah, that. Yes.

badp

Hooray for openness.

Matt Giltaji

@murgatroid99 sorry if i'm brushing up on nda stuff, just kind of mind blown

murgatroid99

9:20 PM

My team is just only loosely attached to that "single, gigantic version control system"

Flyk

@OrigamiRobot O_O

Sterno

@MattGiltaji Oh, cool. I looked the other day and the keys weren't available yet, and the kickstarter update said it would be the 26th when we got the keys. And I hadn't seen any new announcements since. But sure enough, there it is on their site. Yay!

murgatroid99

@MattGiltaji I know I can tell you that my team uses a GitHub repo, and that the GitHub repo isn't that

Origami Robot

@Flyk THE CURSE IS BROKEN?

DuckTapeAl

Can whoever is flagging all kinds of stuff over here cool it? It's getting kind of annoying.

Flyk

9:21 PM

@OrigamiRobot there is no curse, I'm immune

Origami Robot

I was lied to!

GnomeSlice

@Flyk Hey!

Long time no see!

Flyk

I'm not here that long, don't get too comfy

GnomeSlice

=[

Origami Robot

She is the wind.

murgatroid99

9:22 PM

@MattGiltaji Basically, I have nothing to say to contradict what Bazel says, it's just that open source projects operate differently

user15026

@DuckTapeAl We're handling it :)

Matt Giltaji

@murgatroid99 gotcha

Flyk

@GnomeSlice at some point I'll appear on Steam and maybe show you what I've been up to

GnomeSlice

Sounds good.

DuckTapeAl

Thanks.

Flyk

9:22 PM

yes it does

Chippies

wife is making me play Hyrule Warriors and I can't keep up with the drama :(

Flyk

that's what the record labels have been saying as well :p

user15026

@Chippies It's not worth it

Chippies

@AshleyNunn eh, I don't watch movies, so bridge drama is my fix for that

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user15026

sigh

Origami Robot

9:24 PM

@Flyk is too pro for us

Sterno

Just played another 2 hours of Bloodborne and it was still awesome cc @Wipqozn

(Yes, I plan to keep doing this for a few weeks)

Flyk

@OrigamiRobot meh

just major free time constraints more than anything

Wipqozn

@Sterno That's fair. I did the same with citie skylines, and you ended up playing ti for 5 minutes.

Flyk

pays well, though

GnomeSlice

I want a PS4

Matt Giltaji

9:27 PM

@GnomeSlice you should go to @Unionhawk's frat

Unionhawk

no

stop

Wipqozn

Well, I need to go shower. LAter... ALLIGATORS

Unionhawk

stop that train right now

Chippies

@Wipqozn see ya in a while, crocodile

badp

@Chippies *turtle

Chippies

9:28 PM

We should all have a gaming night at @Unionhawk's frat

GnomeSlice

SORS Launch Trailer

►

This reminds me of Papers, Please

Unionhawk

no

I am asking you to stop

Chippies

:(

badp

but can you trust us to stop

Unionhawk

dammit @badp

GnomeSlice

9:29 PM

Just leave him alone

Matt Giltaji

@GnomeSlice yeah i get that feeling too

Origami Robot

@Flyk That's pretty much the definition of being pro

Matt Giltaji

@Unionhawk k, i'll stop

badp

@GnomeSlice He knows what I meant and you do not, mr. knight on a white horse.

GnomeSlice

whatever

Frank

9:31 PM

Well. At least that was reversed.

user15026

@GnomeSlice Yeah, I can see that. Looks pretty fascinating. :D

Wipqozn

Where is Scandinavia?

►

Okay, now I'm actually going to go shower and then read... also something something jump on the @Unionhawk torment train something something

Flyk

@OrigamiRobot bla :p

Fluttershy

@Flyk Hey, look who it is! Hello! o/

Origami Robot

You can't just come back and "bla :p" all over the place!

Flyk

9:39 PM

@OrigamiRobot it was hardly the first thing I said!

@Fluttershy \o

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot I mean, technically...

Frank

@Flyk Welcome back!

Flyk

I'm not :(

I just haven't left again yet

Frank

That...technically...counts as coming back.

Until you leave, anyways.

Flyk

or, passing through!

Frank

9:41 PM

Still means, at the moment, you are here.

Flyk

right, I forgot how full of pedants the internet was

yes, I am here

Kevin van der Velden

Yay!

Frank

What? You forgot we were pedants?

How rude!

user15026

Pudding is a perfectly acceptable dinner food, yes?

Kevin van der Velden

I will now ignore chat and just assume that @Flyk never leaves

Origami Robot

9:42 PM

Oh! You should set him on fire!

Flyk

@AshleyNunn pudding is acceptable whenever you feel like pudding

just like ice cream

and muffins

Kevin van der Velden

@AshleyNunn they serve it in hospitals, yes.

user15026

I made pudding earlier and should make real dinner food or something but part of me is just like "more pudding"

Kevin van der Velden

More pudding is good

badp

@AshleyNunn you clearly should leave the pudding for breakfast

Matt Giltaji

9:44 PM

@AshleyNunn anytime i read the word pudding, i think of harley quinn and the joker

user15026

@badp Pudding is a breakfast food?

badp

unless my mental model of pudding is all wrong

user15026

@MattGiltaji that is not a reference I know.

badp

@AshleyNunn you're on that side of the world where everything is breakfast food :P

Matt Giltaji

@AshleyNunn 90s animated batman series

Origami Robot

9:45 PM

@MattGiltaji That's puddn

Matt Giltaji

@OrigamiRobot and thus my trap to draw out the pedants!

mwahaha

badp

@MattGiltaji you accidentally a word there?

user15026

badp

@AshleyNunn I can't tell how solid that would be.

Matt Giltaji

@badp >.> of course that was intentional too

user15026

9:47 PM

@badp Not very

badp

What I do know is that Nutella is totally breakfast food.

fredley

Lazers

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Q: Norton Security and Steam

For the past few days steam has refused to log me in. It would either A: say there is a connection issue and make me want to "retry connection" or after i log in just freeze. I decided to check the steam support troubleshoot page and it suggested that if i get Norton anti-virus to not interfere i...

badp

@AshleyNunn as in, when you spoon it out, does the pudding keep its shape and leave the "spoon cave" in place?

or does it slowly flow and level itself after a while?

wait I guess that isn't clear enough

user15026

@badp Mine would flow and level because I like less thick pudding

badp

9:48 PM

better question: does it spread?

user15026

but if it were commercial pudding, it would keep the spoon shape for longer

user15026

@badp Mine does

badp

I guess it's breakfast food if you want it to be then

user15026

If it didn't flow like that, would that change?

badp

I guess it would be more like a... budino. Which translates to pudding.

OH WELL

Consider me slightly more aware of what pudding is.

Here, have a picture of not-very-appetizing-looking branded cupcakes.

They may or may not be cupcakes, too.

That should either make you nauseous and remove all will of further sweet, or proud of your artigianal produce and further willing to consume your own home-made pudding.

Either way your choice is now easier.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

user15026

9:54 PM

@badp The cake doesn't look like it would be too tasty.

badp

@AshleyNunn Clearly you should team up with @spugsley to make appetizing photos of delicious sweets.

user15026

@badp Step 1 - start with delicious sweets. It helps.

badp

THEY WILL SELL LIKE FIGURATIVE HOTCAKES. LITERALLY

user15026

@badp facedesk

badp

It is tough to apply ART to wordcraft BUT I AM TRYING

Flyk

10:00 PM

has anybody seen any of Better Call Saul yet?

Unionhawk

I have not, @LessPop_MoreFizz has.

I've been meaning to

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk It's probably a bad idea to ping @LessPop_MoreFizz with that, he will not shut up about it

Flyk

does that mean he thinks it's worth watching?

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, very

Unionhawk

Yes

Flyk

10:01 PM

I shall summon some free time into existence soonish then

GnomeSlice

10:22 PM

LEFO X FEAT. GARY FRAD - "PRECIOUS TIME" (ORIGINAL MIX)

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MBraedley

Whew, second day of trials is complete. And luckily, tomorrow isn't as early (and therefore not as long) as today or yesterday, although I may choose to head into work early to do some analysis.

Matt Giltaji

@MBraedley cool, what kind of trials?

MBraedley

@MattGiltaji It's for work, which I don't discuss with internet friends.

Matt Giltaji

@MBraedley sorry, didn't mean to pry

MBraedley

I bitch and moan about IT and legacy code, but never specifics.

Matt Giltaji

10:30 PM

@MBraedley fair enough

Flyk

when he says trials, he was submitted for medical testing of experimental anti-ebola drugs, and has so far survived two days, which is a good thing

MBraedley

Yes, work is forcing me to test a dangerous vaccine so that people in Africa can be safer.

Flyk

you're doing good work, keep it up

Kevin van der Velden

@MBraedley wait, you actually believe that? Good!

scribbles notes

MBraedley

@KevinvanderVelden I thought this study was double blind!

Kevin van der Velden

10:34 PM

@MBraedley Notes have to be taken, whether you are in the experimental mind control group or in the experimental behavior control group

Flyk

it's ok, he's unaware of what's happening

his pen is actually giving him a dose as well

Matt Giltaji

@Flyk good use of a space there

MBraedley

@KevinvanderVelden But I didn't know you were my monitor. I've ruined the study!

Kevin van der Velden

(I just read my sentence before pressing enter and though "no no, control is not the right word there", I think I should go to bed, control is in both places the proper word)

Flyk

@MattGiltaji I figured the easiest way to achieve my goals was to just enroll every single person in the trial.

Kevin van der Velden

10:35 PM

@MBraedley naah that's okay, it's not like you have long term memory currently

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Flyk it is very good and also @KevinvanderVelden is wrong because having said that I am going to go drive home. Bye again.

Flyk

@LessPop_MoreFizz until next month/year/whoknows

Kevin van der Velden

@LessPop_MoreFizz will you be ranting about it in your car?

Matt Giltaji

@KevinvanderVelden if only he rode the bus like @gnomeslice with his funky phone

Flyk

I am going to go as well, my ears need to rest and I'm tired of being sat at this PC

see you all whenever o/

Kevin van der Velden

10:36 PM

Bed sounds like a plan

Take care @Flyk!

Don't forget us when you're all super duper famous

Matt Giltaji

@Flyk o/

Lazers

0

Q: How can I save my chat log or chat history?

I would like to save my chat logs, or my chat history, for archival purposes. Most chat clients that I use already have a logging function of some kind. Does the Diablo 3 game client save the chat session anywhere?

diablo-3

fredley

Quite possibly the most horrifying thing you will ever read.

5

Ideal bedtime reading

user15026

@fredley Not going to click.

fredley

@AshleyNunn Correct choice

GnomeSlice

10:46 PM

@fredley I am hyperventilating a bit, that was horrific.

I am also terribly terribly afraid of bugs

fredley

@GnomeSlice Incorrect choice

user15026

@GnomeSlice Slow, deep breaths.

GnomeSlice

@fredley Hahaha yeah.

that's fuct

Tim Stone

@fredley It's even more horrifying because I used to live in Corpus Christi

But luckily I never had a roach in my ear.

fredley

@TimStone Remind me never to go there

/anywhere with roaches

Tim Stone

10:47 PM

I was bitten by fire ants at the age of 1, which apparently I am allergic to, and had to be rushed to the ER.

Lazers

0

Q: Merge Starter and Standard Edition?

I just upgraded my starter edition account and now I have two versions of WoW (WoW1 and WoW2). WoW1 is the Starter Edition and WoW2 is the Standard Edition (Mists of Pandaria). The characters I created in the starter edition are not available in the standard edition. Is there any way to fix thi...

world-of-warcraft

0

Q: Why isn't my connections to the highway valid in Cities: Skylines?

I have just bought my first neighboring area and want to hook into it. I first tried with a large roundabout and then with a three-way intersection, but none of them works. I keep getting the "broken" icon and the cars just disappears once they enter the area. What have I done wrong?

cities-skylines

Tim Stone

But no roaches. Thank god.

GnomeSlice

lol I just put my hood up involuntarily

fredley

@TimStone Nice.

The most dangerous creature I've ever had to deal with was my own dumb self

Tim Stone

@fredley The ones in Hong Kong were big and could fly. We had them in our apartment, which was on the 44th floor. Stupid roaches.

fredley

10:48 PM

Went through a phase of smashing my head on things. Now my hairline is receding, the scars are showing through

@TimStone D:

Tim Stone

You'd think they'd have better things to do than manage to find their way up there, but no.

GnomeSlice

I have a shitton of scars on my back from the cystic acne problem I've had for the past year

Finally got my prescription for accutane filled so I can start taking that

it says it's going to make it somehow even worse for the first few weeks

Chippies

@fredley I remember watching a movie about some army people where that happened, they used some hot metal stick to get it out or something. Either way, it's something I feared for a long long long time every time I went to sleep

user15026

I have all sorts of fancy surgery scars and also one from breaking my chin open :P

fredley

@AshleyNunn I have scars through both eyebrows, one down the top of my head, and a big one on my knee - all juvenile

Chippies

10:52 PM

I have very tiny teeth marks (not really noticeable unless you know to look for them) on my face from when a stupid dog bit me when I was like 4'ish

Matt Giltaji

> For some reason, he pulls my pajama top off. I still ask him why, but he doesn't know. Either he didn't want my shirt to get wet, or titties.

Chippies

the weird part was that the rabies shot hurt more than the dog bite...

user15026

@fredley Fun! I have two on my head, three on my belly, my chin one, then various smaller ones (because I was a klutzy kid.)

user15026

Also a weird floating lump in my knee that my nurse sister says is nothing to worry about.

user15026

@Chippies They generally do :(

Chippies

10:54 PM

I also had to have stitches in my head once and I thought it would hurt, so I cried (I was 4 or 5). When I found out it didn't hurt, I kept crying, because I was too embarrassed to admit me being wrong >.>

and my favorite scar goes through my index finger and into my middle finger, from when I stabbed myself with a knife when I was little

that one always gets people to go "wow"

user15026

@Chippies Yeah, scalps don't hurt so much, they're pretty easy with a local.

Chippies

probably while thinking "wow, you were really dumb as a kid"

user15026

@Chippies you said it, not us ;)

Chippies

@AshleyNunn try and explain that to a child who's about to get his head stitched ;)

user15026

@Chippies yeah, I know. :) it's like when I got my staples removed from my scalp when I was 12