The Bridge

2:00 PM

@KevinvanderVelden All intellectual property law is somewhat sketchy.

Rarely is it actually used for its intended purpose; rather it's a weapon to use on someone else that you think you can get away with for extorting.

badp

Holy shit

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah it's really broken

badp

So my mother's in some sort of round 2 pilot class for tablet-powered high school

The entire experience is awful.

Kevin van der Velden

Well yes, tablets

badp

She's gotten a 10" tablet from Samsung with an admittedly really nice display

Kevin van der Velden

2:03 PM

I mean, there's not much battery in those, how are you going to power a school with that!?

badp

The book adopted for the classroom are only available through a heavily-DRM'd, closed source Android app or a webpage

Both are incredibly slow

...and glorified PDF readers

Lazers

-1

Q: How to run Saints Row IV at a higher resolution on my laptop?

How can I get my SR4 to run at a higher resolution, say 1920 x 1080? Is that possible? My laptop's native monitor is 1366 x 768. If it can, how can I do it, and what are chances that my GPU will break? My graphics card is GeForce 840M.

badp

...without text selection

...and without text reflowing

...and they're still scans of books clearly designed to be printed on pages much larger than 10"

Private Pansy

@badp I presume your mother is a teacher and not a student

badp

@PrivatePansy Yes.

Now if I can actually send this fucking screenshot through email

Fifth attempt

Private Pansy

2:07 PM

Eh, how hard can it be?

badp

GMail must be on strike.

Private Pansy

Check your wireless network?

badp

@PrivatePansy I fill in the email, it sends "Sending message..." and then nothing happens.

Private Pansy

The mail should appear in the outbox if it hasn't been sent successfully

Otherwise it should be in the sent folder

The outbox is a queue for when the device has internet access again

badp

The device is on WiFi but those mails are stuck in the outbox

So anyway, thanks to the magic of USB cables here's how a typical page appears.

Private Pansy

2:09 PM

That's pretty low resolution for a 10" tablet

5pike

Looks like crap

badp

@5pike Actually is crap.

5pike

I reckon ones eyes would start hurting after reading those for to long.

Private Pansy

Also, I'm going to assume the JPEG artifacts are because of imgur and not the actual app

I hope

badp

@PrivatePansy No: they're in the actual app.

FAE

2:10 PM

Good afternoon, all

Private Pansy

@badp Oh ewww

Kevin van der Velden

Afternoon @FAE

Private Pansy

@FAE Good evening people from 8-ish hours ago

badp

@PrivatePansy This is a Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 I believe

Kevin van der Velden

@PrivatePansy any messages from the future?

badp

2:12 PM

You know also what's funny?

There is no table of contents.

THERE IS NO TABLE OF CONTENTS.

Private Pansy

@badp Can't be right. I don't think that tablet has such low resolution

Lazers

0

Q: Do Chica and Freddy do the same things?

It seems that Chica (Right door) and Freddy (also right door) take almost identical paths, and appear at the same door. Apart from Freddy coming out when the power is out, what differences do Chica and Freddy have?

five-nights-at-freddys

Private Pansy

@KevinvanderVelden BEWARE OF THE KILLER [MESSAGE REDACTED]

5pike

@badp Hahahaha, what? In a schoolbook?

Arperum

@badp Your concept of funny is broken.

badp

2:12 PM

If you hit the page number, it asks you what page you want to load.

Kevin van der Velden

@PrivatePansy Hmm redacted. Ah well, can't be that important.

badp

You put in the page number, then hit Ok on the tablet keyboard, and that doesn't do anything

You still have to hit on the "Go" button on the side.

Powerlord

@PrivatePansy Ah, but I have the [MESSAGE REDACTED], which is strong against that.

Now if I could just properly count to 3...

badp

PUBLISHING COMPANIES: WORRY ABOUT PUBLISHING SOMETHING THAT WORKS ON A TABLET AND STOP FUCKING AROUND WITH APPS

DO WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR FUCK'S SAKE

DO WHAT YOU WERE FOUNDED FOR

Frank

@badp But we must protect our revenue streams! Why can't digital copies cost the same as physical ones!?

Kevin van der Velden

2:15 PM

@Frank no! Where will we get our development costs from? The digital copies must cost more!

badp

@Frank Selling DRM-Free PDF textbooks for full price would be easily worth it.

Those are high school textbooks -- they are basically REFERENCE, not entertainment.

They are supposed to be yours for life, yours to keep, with all of your notes and whatnot.

University and professional publishing seems to have gotten the message somewhat

DRM in this field is for me completely and totally unacceptable.

Unionhawk

How to get stars: Step 1: Blame @Wipqozn. Step 2: Wait.

3

badp

And that's just the first of the million problems here.

5pike

@badp Yeah. It's not likely that schools start to pirate those textbooks.

The DRM is totally unnecessary.

badp

@5pike The university and professional world has learned to deal with it

Mostly through watermarking

Hell -- just sell class licenses to the PDF

The per-class-generated PDF proudly has on all pages your school and class name

and in hiding, your student id

Unionhawk

2:20 PM

Every single time.

5pike

@badp Well, you don't even need that. A school would get in major trouble. It's not likely that they just steal that stuff.

badp

@5pike Eh. WHAT IF A STUDENT BUYS ONE COPY AND THEN SHARES IT WITH ALL OF THEIR CLASSMATES

5pike

@badp Let them. They all have to pay before they get their books.

badp

Solution: DO NOT SELL SINGLE COPIES

5pike

Easy as that.

badp

2:21 PM

@5pike So, DRM?

FAE

@BenBrocka I feel like Torgue's voice actor must be exhausted after a session

5pike

@badp No, a payment deadline.

Like, what we had, around ~15 years ago.

badp

...ah.

That might work too.

5pike

And it worked like a charm.

Except one time, when the school ordered to few maths books.

badp

Ah, but here the school doesn't order books.

I did suggest they'd start though.

Frank

2:24 PM

@badp They're migrating from a purchase giving you an unlimited use eternal copy subject to entropy, to the fun license model that most digital goods use.

Because licenses means there's more revenue you can extract from your customers.

badp

Those are textbooks, not fucking Twilight romance

Unionhawk

Oh, internet.

badp

If your product has DRM it is not fit for purpose

Arperum

@Unionhawk SFW?

Frank

@Arperum Yes

Unionhawk

2:26 PM

@Arperum Yeah, it's good.

Frank

@Unionhawk I expect to see exploded phones shortly now.

5pike

@Unionhawk Eh, could be any place, really.

Unionhawk

shrug

@5pike Meh.

Arperum

@Frank Same.

Frank

@badp Unfortunately, the more people allow and accept their rights to be taken away for digital goods, the more publishers will do it, because it's more revenue for the same thing.

Jason Berkan

2:27 PM

FFS @Wipqozn.

Chippies

@Unionhawk I like how it's 60 seconds at a lower wattage and 70 seconds at higher

Wipqozn

badp

@Frank We're lucky that the apps those books are padded and bounded within are also completely unacceptable and unfit for purpose

Powerlord

@Wipqozn I'm really beginning to hate this image.

Unionhawk

...

Why

Wipqozn

2:28 PM

@Powerlord behind a text link, just for you

Rapitor

@Powerlord beginning?

Wipqozn

I love this new gravatar.

Powerlord

@Rapitor Well, it's not yet up to the point where I'll start hitting ignore on users who use it.

Rapitor

@Powerlord the only one who does is @Wipqozn

Wipqozn

@Rapitor @GnomeSlice will also do it on request.

I will make an effort to put it behind text links more frequently in the future though, instead of just pasting it directly in chat.

Unionhawk

2:30 PM

@Wipqozn Are you just counting on him doing it to prove you right?

Frank

@Wipqozn Are you using a blank gravatar now? 'Cuz I ain't seeing anything.

badp

@PrivatePansy Can confirm: Samsung SM-T530

Wipqozn

@Frank No, I'm not. Must be something wrong on your end. Try refreshing?

Unionhawk

@Frank He is, and he's trolling you.

Frank

@Wipqozn Already did. That's why I see nothing.

Wipqozn

2:32 PM

I'm such a terrible person.

It's just a white square.

Private Pansy

@badp I just checked Wiki, and wow...

How can the 2013 Nexus 7 have a higher resolution than this 2014 10" tablet?

badp

@PrivatePansy Samsung!

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Wipqozn

@Unionhawk There will be someone out there who falls for this.

@badp Shouldn't you add -wipqozn?

badp

@PrivatePansy Actually on some apps there is some sort of color smear when you scroll text.

That is, when your app is responsive enough that text can scroll smoothly. Which is absolutely NOT the case of this book reader app.

Rapitor

Sony posting pretty big losses despite their "success"

blame mobile.

badp

2:36 PM

Also, you know what's their implementation of text highlighting?

Since those are pictures, without any text information (and still somehow everything works at 8fps), the highlighter just does arbitrary rectangles.

"Text" highlighting!

Wipqozn

I've changed my gravatar again, this time to something less horrible.

Powerlord

@Wipqozn -1: Still not alot.

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn a black square!

Wipqozn

@KevinvanderVelden It does look a bit like that when it's small.

It's really Sisko, from DS9 (aka the best Star Trek).

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, this is also the reason your old avatar was good, it was clearly recognizable even at the small size

Same for @Unionhawk's old one

Powerlord

2:46 PM

I accidentally opened FTP to my former TF2 host... turns out the FTP login still works despite the server having been down for two weeks or so.

Kevin van der Velden

Nice, free open FTP! :D

Wipqozn

@KevinvanderVelden So was the white one.

badp

Nice free open FTP: 127.0.0.1

Wipqozn

but you guys didn't like that, oh noooooooo

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn lies

Powerlord

2:48 PM

Oh right, today is Thursday... aka "repeated useless meeting day" for me.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp YOU HACKED ME! :O

Powerlord

@KevinvanderVelden Actually, Microsoft did.

Kevin van der Velden

@Powerlord I blame @badp

Powerlord

@KevinvanderVelden Fair enough, we all do.

Wipqozn

One day I'll get a gravatar you guys will all like again, and then I'll return to my position as the most beloved person on The Bridge.

SaintWacko

2:50 PM

@BenBrocka squeals with glee

Ahem

Manly grunt of acknowledgement

Frank

@Wipqozn But until then, you're the most hated person.

Wipqozn

@Frank I can deal with that.

Powerlord

@Wipqozn What makes you think you're the most beloved instead of, say, @AshleyNunn?

Wipqozn

@Powerlord @AshleyNunn is a mod. People cant love her.

Kevin van der Velden

So, North Korea wrote a 53,558 word report praising their human rights situation...

Powerlord

2:52 PM

I was going to say @GraceNote, but I don't see GraceNote around so much any more.

FAE

@SaintWacko Who you going to play?

Wipqozn

You can't love mods, man.

badp

@KevinvanderVelden Five would've been enough: "At Least We're Not Detroit"

SaintWacko

@FAE Honestly, I haven't really looked into it much

Grace Note

I'm right here actually

SaintWacko

2:53 PM

I just know it's Borderlands, and so I have to have it

Kevin van der Velden

@GraceNote a wild @GraceNote appears!

Wipqozn

@GraceNote Creepy. You're like some sort of Ninja Robot Ghost.

SaintWacko

I have the Borderlands Loot Chest sitting on top of my armoire

FAE

@SaintWacko I'm looking forward to playing Athena and Nisha :D

Wipqozn

I was actually thinking about Miss Note earlier. I was thinking about switching back to an 8-bit mega man gravatar, like whne I first joined the site.

FAE

2:54 PM

@Wipqozn nostalgia!

Grace Note

@Wipqozn That or I posted an image 2 hours ago and so among other points I'm pretty fresh to catch on a ping as @Powerlord did.

Powerlord

I still wonder if the size of the 3DS screen will make Smash not as good on it as on consoles.

Wipqozn

@GraceNote A likely story. Just the kind of story a ninja robot ghost would come up with....

Grace Note

So far the larger complaint I've heard about Smash on the 3DS has been on the stick, not so much the screen size.

FAE

@GraceNote Yeah, I've mostly heard about them breaking x_X

Grace Note

2:55 PM

Lazers

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Q: Nintendo DSi Slot-1 loader broken?

When i was young, i always tried breaking the little grey line things on a DS cartridge, and I did, to my Pokemon Platinum cart. Here's a image to show what I mean. http://techforums.nintendo.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-50960-4513/DSC03920.JPG You see the little grey lines? The 20 somethi...

dsi

Powerlord

Oh wait, I'm dumb... this Thursday isn't useless meeting Thursday because they've been canceled due to half our staff being out at some conference.

Wipqozn

@GraceNote A ninja robot ghost could easily edit the chat log.

Frank

@SaintWacko EXPLOH-SHUNS!

Powerlord

(My office is the State of Michigan's GIS office)

Martin Sojka

2:57 PM

@GraceNote Genitive ("of all") or locative ("to all"), actually.

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn I'm fairly certain over half of what gets typed in here is just @GraceNote editing the chat log.

Grace Note

@MartinSojka Ohho

@Wipqozn That... or a witch! OH SNAP you didn't think about that consideration, did you?

Powerlord

@GraceNote OBJECTION! My client is not a witch!

Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (レイトン教授VS逆転裁判, Reiton-kyōju vs Gyakuten Saiban, lit. Professor Layton vs. Turnabout Trial) is a crossover adventure puzzle video game joint-developed by Level-5 and Capcom and published by Nintendo (Level-5 in Japan) for the Nintendo 3DS. The game is a crossover between Level-5's Professor Layton puzzle series and Capcom's Ace Attorney adventure series, combining gameplay elements from both series. The game features scenario designs from Shu Takumi, the series director for the Ace Attorney series. The game was released in Japan on November 29, 2012...

badp

wat

that's not how to gravity

Grace Note

@Powerlord I've been seeing a lot of commercials for this game recently.

Wipqozn

3:00 PM

@GraceNote Holy snap, crackle, and pop, no I didn't. Man, I look like a to -WAAAAIIIIIT A MINUTE! I'm onto your Ninja Robot Ghost mind games.

@badp How is Steamworld Dig?

badp

THAT THING FALLS UP

Powerlord

@GraceNote I'll warn you right now, though... if you don't like both the Layton and Ace Attorney games, you may not like that game.

Since it basically switches back and forth between their gameplay styles.

Grace Note

@Powerlord I like them conceptually but I can't say much for gameplay, having never played either.

The ads did seem to imply you'd have to do both kinds of material though.

Powerlord

@GraceNote It's a shame you haven't, I like both series.

CapCom has been re-releasing the first 3 Ace Attorney games on every platform you look at, too.

Heck I think even the 3DS is about to get a remake of them with the improved artwork they've been using in other editions

Grace Note

@Powerlord Makes it easier for me to pick up once I've got an opening for my backlog, then.

Powerlord

3:03 PM

Now.... Layton is probably harder to find, since Level 5 hasn't re-released them.

FAE

@Wipqozn I really enjoyed that game. I actually even finished it.

badp

@Wipqozn It's surprisingly fun.

Private Pansy

@badp Yup. Those things are evil.

FAE

@badp Mine ALL the things!

Private Pansy

@Wipqozn Very good, and really short. But still very good.

FAE

3:04 PM

There's going to be a sequel apparently too, but it's changing genre.

Wipqozn

@PrivatePansy I don't mind short so long as it's priced accordingly.

I'd rather a 5 hour game I actually fully enjoy and finish then a 30 hour one I get bored of after 10.

badp

@FAE Yeah, the game title kinda suggests that if there was sequel it probably wasn't going to be "Dig 2"

Wipqozn

or just trail off of... I'm so bad for not finishing games, even if I enjoy tem.

FAE

@PrivatePansy Short depends on how much you mine out.

badp

I hope the next upgrade lets me remove those annoying things permanently

Powerlord

3:07 PM

Hmm, sometimes I don't like it when game sequels switch up their formula.

eyes Jak 2

Kevin van der Velden

@FAE minecraft? No wait, that's automate all the things.

Frank

@badp Nope.

FAE

@KevinvanderVelden hehe

badp

@Frank They are EVERYWHERE now

Frank

@badp Yep.

Rapitor

3:09 PM

@KevinvanderVelden nah that's with mods. there's not too much automation in vanilla

Kevin van der Velden

@Rapitor well then don't play vanilla

AUTOMATE ALL THE THINGS

Ben Brocka

@SaintWacko I know right

Private Pansy

@FAE There is a minimum amount of mining you need to do, since you need the money to continuously upgrade your gear

@badp Yup, and getting around them is part of the puzzle for this part

Ben Brocka

@FAE I hope he gets paid well, he's fantastic and yeah I'm sure it's hard work

FAE

@PrivatePansy ...what is this "minimum". Mine everythiiiiing.

Private Pansy

3:11 PM

You are getting quite close to the end of the game though

Frank

@FAE Always mine everything. Even after you have all the upgrades.

FAE

@Frank I couldn't leave things. I don't think I could ever get the achievement for finishing in 2 hours.

Frank

@FAE Yeah, me neither.

Happily, I don't play games to complete achievements.

Okay, the new Borderlands looks pretty good.

I'll probably wait until it's on sale, though, 'cuz reasons.

FAE

@Frank I've preordered already. \o/

Frank

@FAE How's Destiny treating you?

Ben Brocka

3:19 PM

I'm getting closer towards preordering BL: TPS

Would like to hear more about Cryo, new monsters and PC features

FAE

I also just want to support them with my wallet for having 2 female PCs and hopefully show other devs that you don't lose money by adding playable female characters.

Powerlord

I just found myself playing the USB connector flip game

Frank

@FAE My thought process is just, "I have so many other games to play! I will still be playing them when this comes out, so there's no reason for me to get it now."

FAE

@Frank Like Borderlands, I have more fun playing multiplayer than solo so I haven't played in a couple days because of scheduling conflicts with friends.

Kevin van der Velden

@Powerlord How far did you get? I hear the end boss is really nasty.

FAE

3:20 PM

@Frank Yeah, that's understandable.

Ben Brocka

@Powerlord I've just memorized the orientation for the front of my desktop and the surface pro 3's USB port

Powerlord

@KevinvanderVelden Took me a few tries, but I finally beat it.

Frank

Also, PS TV will be out right then, so I'll be playing SAO on the big screen.

Powerlord

@BenBrocka I thought I had this monitor's USB ports memorized (and that my USB keychain has to have its logo upside down), but I was wrong.

Frank

Speaking of, is Best Buy or Future Shop going to carry that? goes to check

Ben Brocka

3:21 PM

I'll have the platinum in neptunia before PS TV comes out at this rate

@Frank I just ordered from Amazon

they usually do release date delivery

Powerlord

Anyway, finished copying the Xamarin installer (which makes you sign up to download it) and now to copy VS2013 w/ update 3

Frank

@BenBrocka I don't mind spending time to go get stuff from a physical location.

Powerlord

@BenBrocka Not always, though. In fact, they didn't flip it on for SSB 3DS until Monday this week

Frank

Welp, both Future Shop and Best Buy have it on their sites, but they're saying an end of the year release date.

Grace Note

@BenBrocka Platinum didn't seem like a long trial to get.

Ben Brocka

3:26 PM

@GraceNote Billionare seems completely awful, it's the main one I'm missing. Also I think I have to do a THIRD NG+ to get more stupid mega bytes--what a silly system since there's no challenge in repeating the game

Frank

@BenBrocka Ironically, EB doesn't even have it on their site.

Ben Brocka

I only look on non-amazon sites if Amazon doesn't have it

Powerlord

EB still exists?

Unless this is a different EB than I'm thinking of.

(Eletronics Boutique got swallowed by GameStop in the US)

Frank

@Powerlord It's still called EB in Canada.

Wipqozn

They changed the name of some stores to Gamestop, but there's still a lot which just kept the EB name.

Powerlord

3:40 PM

@Frank Weird... 'cause if you try visiting their site (ebgames.com), it redirects to GameStop. Or at least it does to me.

Frank

@Powerlord ebgames.ca

Ben Brocka

I miss EB. I like Gamestop less, especially since taking 'em over

Frank

@BenBrocka @TrentHawkins and I only go to EB now if we absolutely have to.

Ben Brocka

I hadn't been to gamestop in years, since one of their pokemon things, but went to get half off TLOU: remastered for trading in my naked TLOU disk (kept the case because screw them)

murgatroid99

It's raining

Normally that wouldn't be news, but I live in California

badp

3:46 PM

@murgatroid99 , man.

murgatroid99

The last time I saw rain was 6 weeks ago, when I took a trip to Baltimore

Grace Note

@BenBrocka ...wait which Neptunia?

SaintWacko

@FAE They all look awesome

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote rebirth, the only Vita one in the west

Powerlord

Is it ~~going home~~ lunch time yet?

Ben Brocka

3:50 PM

well, that isn't a spinoff

SaintWacko

@Frank MORAL AMBIGUITY!!!!!!!

Grace Note

@BenBrocka Ah

@BenBrocka Well, it's a remake, so... anyway...

Frank

@SaintWacko BUTT STOMPING!!!!

Grace Note

I do not have a Vita so alas I do not have that.

Instead I'm just treasuring my newfound +1 BEANIE OF DEDICATION

Unionhawk

@KevinvanderVelden You'll get over it.

Or not. It really doesn't matter to me.

Powerlord

3:52 PM

@GraceNote My Beanie is only vintage, not +1 anything. :(

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote you monster

@GraceNote I got that too but haven't gotten very far. To the first sword pully thingy

Grace Note

@BenBrocka When Planet Destroyer Black Heart comes out, then a Vita will be incoming.

Ben Brocka

Rebirth is great too--I dunno how bad Nep 1's gameplay was, but everyone seems to love Victory's far better, and I'd say it's overall a bit better than Victory gameplay wise, no more scouting BS, though they're still not great at adding postgame content

Grace Note

@BenBrocka The first one was ahahahaha oh man ahahahahahahahaha

Man I don't have enough air in these lungs to laugh about the gameplay of the first one.

Ben Brocka

also it doesnt' have bleed-you-dry DLC, it's $6 for everything or $1 for each of 3 DLC chars

including Histoire, she's so awesome

Grace Note

3:55 PM

I'm curious to see how the revamped story is like. It's nice to see faces on everyone, although Financier got a face in V anyway.

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote no idea how revamped the story is, other than Neptune commenting on "woah they changed the story" early on

murgatroid99

I think the rain stopped

Ben Brocka

I really hope Victory 2 does away with the "you are constantly gaining and losing characters and only have a full party for half a chapter" crap

at least let me keep the full party for NG+

Grace Note

Heh

Ben Brocka

especially since CC2 is so late in this one, she's my fav after Cave of the side characters

Grace Note

3:59 PM

I'll be grabbing it eventually, but right now I've got my hands full. I haven't even started Fairy Fencer F yet, as Tales of Vesperia (LOOK AT HOW FAR BACK I AM) is taking precedence.

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote there's this bunny...dog...whatever it is but it's fluffy and adorable

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