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user15026
7:00 PM
Like I would see $100, then go pay, and it would say list price: 100, tax:5, total :105
 
@AshleyNunn So when you buy things on Steam you have to hit checkout to know exactly what you're paying?
 
user15026
@badp Yeah. I mean I can do it roughly in my head, but yeah
 
Weird, I didn't expect Steam to work differently based on where you are
 
@KevinvanderVelden There is no VAT in the US. Each state has its own sales tax and it is not typically charged for online purchases.
 
I honestly feel you guys are crazy for living in a place where you never know how much you're paying exactly until it's too late
 
7:04 PM
@badp I'd get you a screenshot, but steam seems to be reporting 0.00USD in taxes on the checkout screen, so now i'm unsure.
 
@badp It's easy enough to do the math.
 
user15026
@badp You get used to it.
 
Price + Tax percentage = done.
 
I've never been charged tax on a Steam purchase.
 
"Oh yeah this steak is $15 so I guess I'll be paying $18... $19... ish? I guess?"
 
user15026
7:04 PM
Like right now it's 15% so it's not super bad math
 
You're technically supposed to pay the tax for online purchases when you do your taxes every year, but...
 
@OrigamiRobot Yeah, screw that noise.
 
@AshleyNunn We have 22% tax, but it's basically illegal to show prices before VAT here.
brb paella
 
Sales tax in Charlotte is like 7% right now
Unless it's unprepared food. That's 2%
 
user15026
7:07 PM
@badp mmmmm
 
@OrigamiRobot Since you're not capsing, I assume you're home?
 
However, I am charged in USD, so I pay a bit extra based on what the current exchange rate is.
 
@GnomeSlice I am not home.
 
@badp I kinda wish it was that way (not the 22% part), even if I am used to mentally adding tax to the shelf price.
 
I don't really understand the difference between VAT and sales tax, but apparently there is one.
 
7:12 PM
@TrentHawkins Steam doesn't charge taxes on things in the US. Not sure about Canada.
 
@badp Don't forget the not entirely required but incredibly socially enforced tip on top of the tax
 
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Q: Can one receive the non-gold version of a Promo Set card from a Hearthstone pack?

Trixie WolfI see conflicting reports on us.battle.net concerning whether or not it is possible to pull the non-golden version of a Promo Card (that is, non-golden Elite Tauren Chieftain or non-golden Gelbin Mekkatorque) from a regular Hearthstone pack. Some people there say yes, other people say no, and I ...

 
@Powerlord I don't ever remember seeing tax on anything I've bought, just exchange rate differences.
 
PSN Plus games for August:
> Dragon’s Crown (PS3, PSV)
Road Not Taken (PS4)
Fez (PS3, PS4, PSV)
Crysis 3 (PS3)
Proteus (PS3, PSV)
Metrico (PS3, PSV)
Which of those is worth playing?
 
Legend of Dragoon
 
7:24 PM
@OrigamiRobot Own it, played it, beat it.
 
And it is woth playing
 
@Frank Dragon's Crown, Proteus, Road Not Taken.
wtf
Road not taken is out?
 
@OrigamiRobot But it wasn't in the list.
 
holy shit RNT is out on august 5th
 
@Frank I know, but I don't know anything about those games. Any information is better than no information, right?
 
7:26 PM
@OrigamiRobot In this case, no.
 
@OrigamiRobot Dragon's Crown I think @GraceNote can tell you about
Fez is worth playing, but it's not for everyone
 
@Frank Dragon's Crown and Fez are commonly recommended, I can confirm DC is great. Proteus is a bit weird but definitely worth poking around in, very short anyway. Metrico looks weird but neat
 
@Frank you're a dance expert, I think, what's that dance style called where the guy throws and spins the woman around?
 
Proteus is an art game. I really love it. You just walk around an island and play with the sounds.
Road Not Taken is a roguelike puzzle game (?) from the people who made Triple Town
 
@Chippies I don't think that's a style so much as just a move many dances have.
 
7:28 PM
@Frank it usually has upbeat music and usually involves sliding the woman under the man between the legs (I mean, it's a popular move in that style)
 
@Chippies I used to spin my sisters around in chairs. Does that count as dancing?
 
@BenBrocka Have you actually played Fez?
I'd be interested to know what you thought of it.
 
@Chippies Swing?
 
@OrigamiRobot yeah, I think that's it!
thanks
 
@OrigamiRobot That's about the only one I can think of where that's done on a regular basis.
 
7:29 PM
IT seemed interesting but it felt like a collectathon with a convoluted map I'd eventually hate attempting to 100% so I quit
 
My takeaway is that I am better than @Frank at dance question.
 
Love the visual effect of it though
 
I will not be taking any further dance questions so as to retain my title.
 
@OrigamiRobot you win the Dance Trivia
 
I'll be checking out Road Not Taken but I've heard nothing about it myself
 
7:30 PM
@BenBrocka I really like the visuals as well. My main problem was that the main collectibles were super easy to get, and the 'dark' ones were obscure to the point of being impossible unless you did a lot of research online. And the map made no sense
After like a week of going in circles I just quit
@Frank Also if huge boobs offend you you should consider skipping Dragon's Crown
 
I saw significant branching paths with collectibles and basically gave up honestly
You can just play as someone without huge boobs, that's 4/6ths of the cast
 
I'm tired of this guy ...
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A: Early and Late game Runes

MichelDepend agains who you're going and what champion you pick. MR runes are very important to survival in the lane (keep in mind that you want to stay as long as possible in the lane and farming/leveling), and usually you're going against another Magic User (ap). Glyphs are the way to go in those ru...

for real >.<
 
@Michel IF comments are going nowhere you can just stop commenting. Few situations require more than a few back and forths, that's usually a warning sign
 
WHAT DO I WANT FOR DINNER GUYS?
 
7:38 PM
Someday DOS will find you
 
@OrigamiRobot food
 
user15026
@OrigamiRobot I am going to have soup and a sandwich
 
May 6 at 22:15, by Origami Robot
Apr 25 at 16:56, by Origami Robot
Jan 23 at 17:15, by OrigamiRobot
If someone says "food" or some other snarky variation thereof, I will eat them for lunch.
 
@OrigamiRobot sounds kinky
 
@OrigamiRobot tacos
 
7:39 PM
@OrigamiRobot @Batophobia
 
@OrigamiRobot but you're having dinner! You can't wait until next lunch!
 
@Michel I'm sorry but I can't speak LoLese
 
@OrigamiRobot Dude, you wouldn't follow through with naming your cat, so how can we believe you're going to follow through with this one?
 
fuck I have to go to a job tomorrow
that's scary
@badp 'for real' is lolese?
 
@Frank WHAT DIDN'T I FOLLOW THROUGH WITH?
 
7:41 PM
@BenBrocka Paying people less than minimum wage because of tipping is what should be socially reprehensible
 
yesterday, by Origami Robot
I'M NOT NAMING MY NEW CAT "FUCKBUCKET"
 
I SPECIFICALLY SAID "NOT"
 
@GnomeSlice No, but most of the comment thread he's tired of is.
 
Tipping is expected regardless of minimum wage
 
@BenBrocka Well there goes the rationalization
 
FAE
7:42 PM
Why is the Soundtrack DLC for Crypt of the Necrodancer showing up as N/A? O_o
 
@FAE It seems that it's not for sale
 
I THINK I'LL HAVE EGGS FOR DINNER
 
The main game apparently has good old .ogg files in it anyway
 
I'd wait for it to show up on bandcamp or something
@OrigamiRobot I did that yesterday
 
@badp expected tipping is awful in basically all regards. Different minimum wage is a related but slightly separate awful thing
 
7:43 PM
@OrigamiRobot I'm imagining you just getting a bowl filled with boiled eggs and eating them one by one
 
@KevinvanderVelden YES, THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT I WILL BE DOING
 
@badp OSTs usually have tracks better designed for single listen than the optimized-for-loop versions ingame
 
@BenBrocka but I like my songs looping
@BenBrocka How hard is it to expect that something that costs $5 costs $5? D:
Apparently as hard as phrasing that sentence correctly is
 
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@badp This confused Jochem a lot when he first came to the US.
 
@badp game files usually arent' good for that either--usually have an intro and programatically skip to the start of the loop instead of just actually looping the whole file
 
7:45 PM
@BenBrocka Yeah :(
 
FAE
Him: pulls out a $10 bill Me: No, you forgot tax, you'll need more than that. Him: a;jkldsf;ajds WHY
 
because people want lower numbers and including VAT means giving people larger numbers even if they end up paying the same
 
To make it even more confusing some places do actually just charge X dollars, you know, the proper way
 
FAE
@badp Also sales tax can vary not only by state, but by county
 
@BenBrocka Well, in the US it's legal to pay people less than minimum wage if they work in professions where tipping is standard (restaurants for instance)
 
7:47 PM
why I use credit cards .jpg
 
@FAE yeah but what online purchase doesn't ask you what your shipping address is?
 
FAE
In the country I grew up in, it's like 7.5% now I think, but where my aunt and uncle live 2 hours away, it's 8.5%
 
@FAE TECHNICALLY, THE STATE TAX IS ALWAYS THE SAME AND COUNTIES CAN IMPOSE MORE TAXES.
 
@Powerlord That doesn't excuse it though, that's just compounding the badness of tipping culture
 
No matter how complicated it can get, it's still a glorified city/zip code to tax rate table lookup
 
7:47 PM
@OrigamiRobot You think that's bad? In California, cities can apply taxes as well.
 
I wish they would just give you the price with tax at places
 
This is a big part of why I never use tax unless I have to
 
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@badp This is why I sometimes use @Fluttershy's for places that don't check my billing address, because his state doesn't do tax for online purchases and mine does. :P
 
@GnomeSlice Come to a country that makes sense then.
 
@FAE This is also absurd for us, because changes in VAT should not automatically change the actual price of something
When our VAT got bumped from 20% to 21% and 22% later, most things didn't change in price and companies simply accepted taking 1% less income.
 
7:49 PM
@GnomeSlice But then they'd either 1) make less money because people would see the higher prices and not want to buy stuff or 2) make less money because they'd have to lower prices so people would still buy stuff.
 
@GnomeSlice Technically, they did, but they got rid of that because it was invisible and gave us the GST, which was visible.
 
@badp That is mean >.<
 
@badp ...and people wonder why games/electronics are overpriced by default in EU
 
@BenBrocka Gaming is like the cheapest hobby ever.
 
@BenBrocka VAT is part of the price, not something on top of it.
That's where the major difference in thinking is
 
7:50 PM
@badp That's what he was getting at, yes.
 
Exactly, so you set a higher price by default so you don't get screwed by a tax increase
 
@BenBrocka IF THE WAGES + TIPS COMES OUT TO LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE, THE EMPLOYER HAS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
 
@BenBrocka So why does this only matter for games and electronics pray tell?
 
FAE
@GnomeSlice Depends on what you play. I've got a couple hundred euro worth of games that I'd like to get before the end of the year, but...
 
@FAE :O
 
7:52 PM
@badp I only hear bitching about prices for that stuff. But it's easy to compare directly to US
 
FAE
@Powerlord I like Collector's Editions. :(
 
I've only got like... $70 worth of games I'm eyeing by year end. Maybe more if I decide to get Alien: Isolation.
Then again, I'm annoyed by the whole preorder bonus thing with that game.
 
FAE
Destiny alone's going to be over €100.
 
VAT is part of the price because it is paid in full by the consumer only. All intermediate steps in a product chain pay VAT on what they buy and get the VAT back on what they sell
 
I wanted alien isolation but the preorder bonuses have...made me not want to preorder
 
7:52 PM
@StrixVaria YEA, BECAUSE THE HUMAN BRAIN IS STUPID. IT'S THE SAME REASON THINGS ARE PRICED $5.99 INSTEAD OF JUST $6.
 
FAE
Then there's Civilization Beyond Earth, Dragon Age Inquisition, Borderlands the Pre-Sequel...
 
I LOVE when prices are listed as $6 instead. I don't need those extra two numbers piss off with the .99
 
FAE
And I had wanted to get a WiiU but I'm not sure what to do because I need a NA one...
 
@BenBrocka That said we get screwed up hard even when you factor everything in
GTA 5 is $59 or €69
 
@BenBrocka ME TOO, BUT SADLY THIS IS NOT THE MAJORITY CASE ACCORDING TO MARKETING.
 
7:54 PM
@BenBrocka You must like fancy restaurants where they do away with the $ symbol and the .00 also.
Caesar Salad 9
 
(€69 - taxes - currency exchange fees) is still 120% of $59
 
FAE
If I wait until I buy one in the US, I won't be able to download the day 1 patch because my parents on on dial-up. :(
 
@StrixVaria Yes I do like the menus. Prices and portions less so
but I've been at some hole-in-the-wall places that do it too
 
@FAE Go to a Starbucks and plug it in. :P
 
7:55 PM
AT HAPS GRILL (BEST BURGERS EVER) TAX IS INCLUDED IN THE PRICE.
 
@FAE I would assume recently shipped consoles have a newer OS version...but I can't say for sure
Also it's sold so poorly I have no idea if they're just reselling older stock and if they'd reflash the OS if that were the case
 
@BenBrocka Depends on when they were shipped from Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo
 
Nintendo's selling some Wii Us as "refurbished" that appear to be new (claimable on club nintendo)
 
Speaking of which, what was the latest 3DS update for?
 
@MBraedley: Tickets go on sale for Video Games Live Friday. Concert showing will be March 10th and March 11th.
 
@Powerlord yeah, but recent bundles I would think should have recent stuff. I've never bought a post launch console and had something to compare OS versions with though
 
@GnomeSlice AFTER SEEING THAT EARLIER VIDEO, I WANT THIS GAME
 
@BenBrocka They tend to ship whatever is the latest security update when the console was boxed and shipped.
 
I'M GLAD THEY ADDED ACTUAL NUMBERS IN THE MENUS
 
@OrigamiRobot You can preorder that shit
 
7:58 PM
Which is a good thing for systems that had a lot of updates that changed the entire GUI or something (Xbox 360 for instance)
I remember connecting my brother's Xbox 360 to the Internet for the first time... bugged me to update it which changed from the old blade interface to the new one.
 
@GnomeSlice WHEN DOES IT COME OUT?
 
@OrigamiRobot Early Access this september
 
@Powerlord yeah the 360's UI changes were pretty hardcore
 
They haven't mentioned when the full release will be yet
 
7:59 PM
Even Steam hasn't changed THAT much
 
... I wonder why I don't have my backer key
 
unless you count Big Picture I guess
 
I just did the key resender and still don't have it
this is ungood
 
@GnomeSlice I think the real question is why doesn't your mom have your backer key!
Oh buuuuuurrrnnnnn
 
8:00 PM
@GnomeSlice oh yeah, that sounded pretty cool
 
25 bucks nerds
Maybe they just haven't distributed the keys yet?
It's weird that there's a button for it on the site though.
 
@GnomeSlice THAT'S A NEAT REWARD
 
humble? It can take a minute
 
@BenBrocka I just looked at the site, the new site has been up for quite a while
@OrigamiRobot Yeah!
 
FAE
yay, Crypt of the Necrodancer get
 
8:03 PM
that button just goes to the humble key resender
 
@FAE I've been spoilt by steam, £10 is now apparently too much for me.
 
@FAE please share impressions. I'd buy on day 1 but I'm leaving my computer behind for ~three weeks tomorrow
 
don't wanna work. wanna see velocity 2x
 
I've waited since ~May, I can wait more.
@BenBrocka Just 2 fasts isn't alot of fasts.
 
@BenBrocka I DON'T WANNA WORK BECAUSE RIGHT BEFORE I LEFT, MY NEW CAT DECIDED IT WANTED TO CRAWL INTO MY BOX SPRINGS AND HISS
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SCARED HER OR COMFORT HER
 
8:06 PM
@BenBrocka Steam's UI changed a lot in 2010. Which coincided with the OSX release and the dumping of IE as the rendering engine (it's Webkit embedded or something now)
 
@badp depends how fast the original fasts were. Judging by the original, the level of fast is already decently fast
 
I HOPE SHE'S CALMED DOWN :(
 
@OrigamiRobot Your bed is definitely destroyed.
 
@Powerlord It's better, but it hasn't changed remotely as much as the 360 UI, which is easily the biggest console UI change
 
Oh, I don't get a key yet because I didn't back into the early beta or alpha
 
8:08 PM
 
I need to wait for september
@Wipqozn wtf
 
@GnomeSlice ah. I was confused when Neverending Nightmares did that
 
FAE
@badp I like it a lot so far. It's also got a perma-upgrade system sort of like Rogue Legacy does, which I didn't realize. You can use diamonds you get to unlock stuff like more hearts or making items available to show up in chests during a run
 
they do updates waaaaaaaay too often too
 
@GnomeSlice Rob Ford went for a coffee run with that guy.
 
8:09 PM
@Wipqozn Do you know who 'that guy' is?
 
KS needs different levels of updates so you can be like "tell me when it's done or if you're out of money"
 
@BenBrocka THIS PLEASE
 
FAE
Eh, Neverending Nightmares hasn't been too bad.
 
@GnomeSlice Some guy
 
@FAE How many beats can you miss without dying?
 
FAE
8:10 PM
City of Titans was ridiculous for a while.
 
@Wipqozn He's probably the world's most famous DJ.
 
@FAE 90 updates
 
FAE
@badp If you miss a beat, you lose your coin multiplier
 
@GnomeSlice aka some guy
 
8:10 PM
@FAE I've seen streams where people got killed by MISSED_BEAT, so...
maybe they changed it or it's an advanced game mode
 
FAE
@badp Maybe that's Hardcore
 
Hahaha what the hell kind of car is that
 
@GnomeSlice Even Gandhi was some guy.
 
is that a ferrari or something
 
FAE
@BenBrocka Yeah but they've come way slower than CoT's did. CoT was like up to almost 50 before the KS ended.
 
8:11 PM
@GnomeSlice I think he mentions the name a few minutes in.
 
@Wipqozn CC @Lesspop
 
Nooo, it's too late for me to edit an old message and pretend I thought to ping @LessPop_MoreFizz.
 
FAE
@badp I just tried Hardcore and it didn't kill me for missing, hrm.
 
He has a ferarri painted with nyan cat
Jesus Christ
 
@GnomeSlice not painted. its a decal, but yeah. deadmau5 is.. fun
 
8:15 PM
@FAE I read "it didn't miss me for kissing" and this became a very different sentence...
 
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Q: devil beast (tales of xillia)

GabySo i recently saw a guide on how to encounter the 6 beast and i read that you have to pass the ''The Shape of our World '' quest to being able to encounter Folzam but it says i failed that mission. Is there another way so i can encounter him? will it affect the other beast somehow so i won't be a...

 
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@OrigamiRobot >_>
@badp It's really nice that it lets you practice against individual enemies too in a little training area
 
 
@Blem nope.
 
Rob Ford keeps pronouncing it 'expresso'
ugh
 
@Blem Were they ever NOT?
 
@Frank they were reasonably sane in some small parts back when they founded america
Excepting the whole slavery bit, oh and the lack of womens rights, and so many other things
 
> They object, for instance, to his order unilaterally easing deportations of some young illegal immigrants, and the prison exchange that won the release of a US soldier held captive for five years by the Taliban.
 
"You're not properly implementing that law we despise!"
 
Wow I fucked up the iceber.gs export now
it's stuck
ugh
now they're talking about playing Risk
 
8:37 PM
@GnomeSlice Sounds risky.
cc @Frank
 
@Wipqozn Eh?
 
@Frank I made a joke.
I thought you'd enjoy it.
 
@Wipqozn I'm missing context.
 
@Frank Oh right.
 
Kids, do NOT do this at home!
 
8:38 PM
@Frank: Gnomeslice said something about the board game Risk.
 
Risk is an unbalanced and boring game, get a proper board game
 
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Q: How do I unlock beast tribes quests

PhaDaPhunkI got to level 41 which seems to be the only requierment. I am now level 47, my main quest is up to date (lvl 46) and I still don't see the quests for the beast tribes. According to the wiki, Beast Tribe Quests don't unlock until you reach level 41 of the Main Scenario Quests, even if your ...

 
Speaking of board games, why wasn't the updated version of Monopoly with modern day locations/prices made the default version?
 
@Blem Risk is actually very balanced, but I agree it's not that good of a game.
Too much luck.
And by too much, I mean the game is 95% luck.
 
@Wipqozn You just had to wait until I was on the road, didn't you?
 
8:42 PM
@MBraedley Correct
 
Worst board game that exist when it comes to popularity vs balance/luck is Monopoly, who ever thought that was a great idea should be shot
 
@Wipqozn And why are tickets going on sale now if the concert isn't until March?
 
@MBraedley Because reasons? I don't know.
Symphony n
oh wai, I bet I know wh
 
@Blem You're just not playing with auction rules
 
that's probably just when symphony nova scotia tarts selling tickets for the 2014/2015 season
 
8:43 PM
which are the real rules, BTW
 
@Wipqozn You're getting worse with your typos.
 
 
@Blem wtf
 
FAE
@GnomeSlice Attack on Titan
 
8:47 PM
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Q: In Boom Beach are there reasons to destroy all buildings?

Jason CoyneWhen destroying buildings 1) You get more energy which could be used for healing/bombs 2) If it was a defensive building it stops hurting you. Other than that, is there a reason (mainly loot) that one would want to destroy all the buildings in the map? Is the answer the same for PVE and PVP? M...

 
why was that flagged?
 
@FAE that's gross
 
@Blem I can't imagine it's good to get rain in your exposed muscle tissue
 
@BenBrocka Something that regenerates as fast as a titan does has no need of puny skin coverings.
 
Do .json files actually contain the exported data?
 
8:53 PM
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Q: Why Solo Queue over Duo Queue?

zETOI've heard some people telling that they go only Solo Queue and never duo. And I would like to know, what is the reason behind this? Do they think that the other person might not be as good as them? They don't want them to be the duo in their team so maybe some other players in their team will ha...

 
It's only 100 kb...
 
you can just open the .json file in a text editor and look at it
 
@badp
 
wat
 
user15026
Has anyone here played Shovel Knight?
 
8:56 PM
nop
 
posted on July 30, 2014

We will be performing a brief read-only test of our Oregon data center tonight starting around 9 pm EST. We are load testing the configuration there for about 10-15 minutes before moving traffic back to New York. There is no planned downtime during this test, only a period of read-only functionality on the sites.

 
@GnomeSlice It should. Open it in a text editor - it's human readable.
 
@JasonBerkan uh... huh.
 
@Batophobia Does having more than one crafting table do anything for you?
 
it's a big string of some kind of code
 
8:57 PM
@JasonBerkan that will not help him, he is a gnome
 
We will be performing a brief read-only test of the Oregon data center tonight: http://stackstatus.net/post/93337822009/read-only-test-july-30th-2014
 
@GnomeSlice try running it through something like this
 
K yeah that makes a little more sense
 

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