The Bridge

It means I can finally keep an old cellphone plugged in in my car, and have it automatically update itself with my new music whenever I'm parked near a wifi hotspot

Journeyman Geek

3:05 PM

lol

thats what I was doing

Ben Brocka

I do wish I could use Google Music instead of iTunes. Both are really hard to add music to properly though

I've had to delete my itunes library 3 times now

Journeyman Geek

lol

Ben Brocka

and google music is just kinda slow

Journeyman Geek

my offline music listening gear is an external hard drive and foobar2k

Ben Brocka

great on mobile when your stuff's already added

Journeyman Geek

3:08 PM

(oh and a nice pair of cans with an amp)

fredley

@badp You now have your log

MBraedley

@fredley chatse is looking and working nicely now

fredley

@MBraedley Cheers

badp

@fredley \o/

MBraedley

Now when do we get an ios port?

Journeyman Geek

3:09 PM

and considering its foobar2k, if I wasn't dog tired, I would be PRETTY sure there's a plugin ;p

fredley

@MBraedley Two words: Apple Review

i.e. never

Journeyman Geek

@fredley: as unpopular as it is... metro might be useful

fredley

@JourneymanGeek metro?

Journeyman Geek

windows 8

it allows for pure js apps, and you can dock those apps on the side

fredley

@JourneymanGeek Windows 8 mobile chat app? What are you, mobile Friday Hitler?

Journeyman Geek

3:10 PM

so you'd have a dockable chat app

@fredley: no ... desktop

Ben Brocka

metro apps can be pure HTML/JS? Interesting

Journeyman Geek

pretty sure so

badp

@BenBrocka It's been the case since day 1

Ben Brocka

might actually be useful once I can put those suckers in a window

Journeyman Geek

heck, the google search app makes for a decent fake-chat app

badp

3:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek I think you can get most of the way there with just an internet explorer window

Powerlord

I wonder if this thing in TF2 can be used to force reset the flag.

Journeyman Geek

@badp: it would be chromeless

Krazer

@BenBrocka W8 is built in a way you can choose to develop apps using C#, C++, or JavaScript

badp

@JourneymanGeek internet explorer for metro is already chromeless

The catch is you have to put IE as your default browser to use that

Journeyman Geek

@badp: precisely

while a standalone app dosen't force that

Ben Brocka

3:13 PM

@Krazer Neat. This could have been really cool if they didn't almost completely and utterly neglect desktop users for a year at the start...and even the Start Menu update won't be the last of undoing damage since it doesn't include the metro windows I think

badp

It might be that there's already a standalone browser app already?

Journeyman Geek

nope

cause they're not allowed to ;p

but the google app vaguely works like that

badp

I'm seeing plenty of results

Bob Browser for example

The description of "Switch Browser" is completely unreadable but it might also work

fredley

@BenBrocka I had to help my father with Windows 8 over Easter

good god it's a pile of usability crap

He'd just about got used to Window XP, and now this

badp

It could do better with discoverability

fredley

3:16 PM

On an underpowered non-touch laptop

Journeyman Geek

lol

you could throw on classic shell

or start8

takes a few minutes but its pretty much a windows xp/7 style experience once you set it up

Ben Brocka

@fredley yikes. I think it's mostly back to "normal" after the start menu fix though. Though good lord that "START SCREEN ONLY NO BOOT TO DESKTOP" thing at launch was a complete fuck you for no reason

yeah I've heard good things about classic shell but I didn't want to pay someone to fix the basic UI of the OS, I'd rather just use 7 for now

badp

Start menu "fix"

Ben Brocka

and as much as I usually hate skeuo, I have to sall I'll miss the glass

fredley

@BenBrocka I had already fixed that for him with some registry hacks

Journeyman Geek

3:19 PM

classic shell is free ;p

fredley

The thing is, he had an app that restored an XP-like start menu that sat in the right place

Now on 8.1 he has two start menus to contend with

utter chaos

Ben Brocka

can't you remove the fake start button?

RedRiderX

@BenBrocka Again very much why I wanted it

Ben Brocka

@JourneymanGeek oh it is? Didn't know that

fredley

@BenBrocka Yes, but that's the one he wants to use

The new one is different and he can't use it

RedRiderX

3:22 PM

Wait Drive uploaded the folders but not the Files!?

Blergh

badp

@RedRiderX it will probably take a while, won't it?

Ben Brocka

it should show a progress thinger in the tray

Unionhawk

@fredley @redriderx ChatSEy hangs on login for me. I can log in, but it doesn't redirect from "logging you in to chat.stackexchange"

fredley

@Unionhawk What method do you use?

Unionhawk

Google

fredley

3:31 PM

@Unionhawk Phone?

user15026

@fredley I have the same problem. (Using Google 2 factor auth, on a samsung galaxy nexus running 4.2.1)

fredley

@AshleyNunn It just hangs, or it tries to break out of the app?

user15026

@fredley It just hangs forever

fredley

@AshleyNunn Strange. If you close the app and reopen are you authenticated?

user15026

@fredley Nope, it just makes me start over

fredley

3:34 PM

@AshleyNunn :(

user15026

@fredley I think it hates me

fredley

@AshleyNunn Although I have removed bugs, I haven't even attempted to remove hate

@Unionhawk Device?

Are you two in the same part of the world?

user15026

@fredley sadness forever

fredley

@AshleyNunn D:

@AshleyNunn I have a feeling it could be to do with the very large amount of redirects Google auth does, and the version of Android you're running

user15026

Hey - at work we are having a lot of trouble with finding consistent info on start times of egame matches (specifically, dota2, starcraft 2, and lol) - is there somewhere I can find that, or am I stuck using liquidpedia/in2lol/joindota/starcraft.de and hoping?

user15026

3:37 PM

@fredley Entirely possible.

fredley

WebViews got a big overhaul in 4.4 I think

I have no older devices to test on :(

user15026

I suspect I could turn off the 2 factor auth, but I am not sure if that would help or not

fredley

@AshleyNunn Oh, 2FA untested

That is almost certainly the issue

Does 2FA open a new window?

(normally)

user15026

@fredley It does, yeah

Kevin van der Velden

@AshleyNunn specific matches are usually played one after another, so they are usually different from what's been scheduled

fredley

3:39 PM

@AshleyNunn Aha, there's your problem

Kevin van der Velden

Especially later on in a tournament

fredley

This is probably fixable, but difficult

user15026

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, thats what we figured, but we were kinda hoping we were wrong.

Kevin van der Velden

Sorry, you're correct

user15026

Boooo

fredley

3:39 PM

@AshleyNunn Can you generate a one-time password and see if that works?

Kevin van der Velden

Off to do grocery things :)

user15026

@fredley I can try, if I remember how :P

Krazer

@AshleyNunn have you used teamliquid.net/calendar (SC and DOTA2)

fredley

@AshleyNunn support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

user15026

@Krazer Yeah, but it is only good up to a point, we've found

Krazer

3:41 PM

@AshleyNunn what 's missing?

Panic Bomb

@fredley The emulator works pretty well for simple things!

fredley

@PanicBomb True!

user15026

@Krazer we want specific times for each individual match.

Panic Bomb

We only have maybe one or two physical devices here running 2.x because I can rely on the emulator for most of that compatibility testing

user15026

@fredley I can't get the star list on my phone - can you drop me a link to ChatSEy please? :)

fredley

3:43 PM

@PanicBomb Although if @AshleyNunn's ASP works I'll just capture the 2FA request and redirect to that support page

StrixVaria

Hey guys I bought a house.

7

fredley

1 hour ago, by fredley

ChatSEy 1.0 released, kill mobile Hitler

@StrixVaria Congrats!

I'm trying to at the moment

Houses are expensive

Panic Bomb

Ooh, I'll check that out

StrixVaria

Houses are expensive.

fredley

@StrixVaria Especially in London :(

user15026

3:43 PM

@StrixVaria Yay! :D

StrixVaria

@fredley Yeah I heard that from some coworkers who live there.

Closing date is early June, so I can't actually live there yet.

Lots of stuff to do first.

fredley

@StrixVaria Oh wait, you work for Google don't you?

Lazers

0

Q: What should I do to play Legacy StarCraft with my roommate over LAN?

This question is a follow-up question of Do I need two licenses to play StarCraft 2 multiplayer over a LAN?. Constraints My internet connection is unstable for online game so I have to play a LAN game. I choose Legacy StarCraft rather than StarCraft 2 because I think the former provides playin...

StrixVaria

@fredley Unfortunately they don't share all that with me.

fredley

@StrixVaria Shame

Money is really handy when buying houses

Krazer

3:45 PM

@AshleyNunn you'll probably need to get it separately by the league. E.g., majorleaguegaming.com/schedule or contact the PR for those leagues

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria That's pretty fantastic.

Are you changing states?

StrixVaria

I will finally be able to play Rock Band again!

No, it's like 5 minutes from where I live now.

Just a house instead of an apartment.

Fluttershy

I just want a studio apartment.

Something that's just one big room, and a bathroom. <_<

Ben Brocka

Cheap dualshock 3 ($30)

Origami Robot

WHENEVER I GET A HOUSE, YOU CAN ALL FIGHT OVER WHO GETS TO LIVE WITH ME

user15026

3:47 PM

Ideally I want a onebedroom not underground :P

user15026

(aka I wanna move eventually)

Origami Robot

MY BETS ARE ON EITHER @Wipqozn OR @Fluttershy

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot I will stand victorious.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot but then I'd need to live in the states.

user15026

@OrigamiRobot I'd fight, but you are in america, and I am rather firmly attached to my health care. (Because brain surgery is expensive, yo)

Wipqozn

3:48 PM

I rather enjoy living Canada, The Land of Free Healthcare.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn ARE YOU SAYING I'M NOT WORTH IT? :(

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Just buy a house in Canada.

Origami Robot

ROBOTS AREN'T ALLOWED IN CANADA

3

Wipqozn

I think you'll find we're more than happy to accept robots into Canada. We even allow Robot marriage!

Origami Robot

MY SOLUTION TO THE HEALTHCARE THING IS TO JUST NOT GO TO THE DOCTOR.

Wipqozn

3:50 PM

@OrigamiRobot I'd call that part of the problem, not a solution.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn EVEN IF WE HAD FREE HEALTHCARE, I WOULDN'T GO TO THE DOCTOR.

THEY CREEP ME OUT

Wipqozn

Just find less creepy doctors.

Origami Robot

ALL DOCTORS' OFFICES ARE CREEPY

LOOKS LIKE @Fluttershy IS IN FIRST PLACE SO FAR!

badp

With massive use of relief lines I stretched the game all the way to 2k

user15026

@fredley Still hangs :(

badp

3:53 PM

fredley

@AshleyNunn :(

badp

That blue line is a mess but it didn't blow up

user15026

I am destined to never have non-terrible mobile chat :(

fredley

@badp Orange! Loop!

@AshleyNunn D:

badp

@fredley no! that would give me three cirlces in a row

when I broke the loop the orange line kinda got under control

Perhaps I should've done the same for the red loop

The circle-triangle balance is super important in this build

The blue line is all over the place, but it's all circle-triangle-circle-triangle so that was somehow easily under control

Comparatively the red line is just six close-by stations in a tight loop with two cars

and it blew up

fredley

3:58 PM

@badp Interesting

badp

It might also be that the oldest stations produce the most passengers and thus you're just going to blow up in there regardless anyway

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn CLEARLY THE SOLUTION IS TO BUY ONE GIANT HOUSE HALF IN CANADA AND HALF IN THE US

badp

They said the next build's going to be harder and games won't stretch this far anyway.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot That makes the most sense.

fredley

@badp I wish this game had a fast start option

badp

4:00 PM

@fredley All of the stations are panicking and game is over in under 5 seconds.

I'm afraid they're more interested in cutting the latter end rather than the early end.

Origami Robot

I VOTE THAT THE KITCHEN BE ON THE CANADA SIDE SO @AshleyNunn CAN MAKE CUPCAKES ALL THE TIME

user15026

@OrigamiRobot I see how it is. Because I am the girl, I have to cook. ;)

Origami Robot

NO, YOU HAVE TO COOK BECAUSE YOU CAN COOK AND YOU LIKE TO COOK

Wipqozn

I can cook too.

Although my likeness of it is hit and miss.

user15026

@Wipqozn Excellent, we can split that then :)

Wipqozn

4:03 PM

Sometimes I enjoy it, other times I don't.

Origami Robot

MORE SUPPORT FOR A CANADIAN KITCHEN!

I CAN COOK STEAK AND BACON

AND I CAN MAKE BEEF JERKY

user15026

@OrigamiRobot I will trade you jerky for cupcakes.

Origami Robot

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

AND KD IF YOU COUNT THAT AS COOKING

Sterno

I wonder what the estimate is for the amount of money in Scrooge McDuck's vault. There's got to be an SE for that, right?

fredley

@badp Holy shit, you can pause the game and alter lines

@badp High scores incoming

badp

4:05 PM

@fredley Yes, yes you can.

You've always been able to do that

Origami Robot

@Sterno IT WOULD BE ACCEPTED ON SFF

fredley

@badp Keep one line spare to use to empty crowded stations

win time

badp

@fredley yes, that's the whole idea behind relief lines

fredley

@badp I did not know this

Tim Stone

6

Q: How wealthy is Uncle Scrooge in the Don Rosa/Carl Barks universe?

I'm particularly interested in these two writers because Carl Barks was the original, while Don Rosa innovated heavily while staying very true to the original. Scrooge frequently makes remarks on his wealth: it is Five multiplujillion, nine impossibidillion, seven fantasticatrillion dollars and ...

disney

Origami Robot

4:07 PM

100

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot YOU WIN THE INTERNET TODAY, SIR

Origami Robot

OOPS, THIS ISN'T AUTOCAD :(

Panic Bomb

I've decided the correct answer to every http://scifi.stackexchange.com question is "who cares?"

Tweeted by codinghorror on July 18, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Sterno

@TimStone I like this article better

Origami Robot

100 IS HOW MANY AMPS THIS FUSE NEEDS TO BE

Sterno

4:08 PM

Though anything not from SFF is probably better

> Calculating his velocity (roughly 5 m/s2) suggests that this mountain (of which we cannot see the summit) has a slope of 35 degrees, putting a rough estimate of the entire hill at 73.5 billion. Is it possible that McDuck pushed together his wealth to make this monstrosity? In theory, yes, but the eye line of McDuck (fixed at 8 degrees above the horizon relative to the slope) suggests that there are at least two other such mounds, putting his total wealth at over 210 billion...

RedRiderX

I find this interesting, because I'm a nerd

Origami Robot

KEY NERD!

badp

2

BEST VALUE

SaintWacko

@RedRiderX That's awesome

@badp Oh god, I didn't even think about that

user15026

@badp This horrifies me.

Panic Bomb

4:14 PM

The good news is that the proposed regulation does have some provisions that would prevent providers from doing anything anywhere close to that (completely blocking sites)...but even letting the providers test those limits is still scary.

Sterno

People would pay for Daily KOS?

That should give you money back

badp

@PanicBomb oh they don't have to block access. But they might need to throttle it to dialup speeds for technical network management purposes!!

I hope you like progress bars.

Panic Bomb

@badp Yep. Like always, it's going to come down to "how far can we push the envelope without getting excessively fined for it"

SaintWacko

@PanicBomb And we've seen how well that's gone

The whole LTE thing

the FCC bent over and took it from the carriers

Unionhawk

@fredley Droid Razr Maxx first generation, Android 4.1

badp

4:17 PM

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO COMPETE WITH GOOGLE OTHERWISE

fredley

@Unionhawk Hmm, seems to be older Android versions

SaintWacko

@badp Haha

Ben Brocka

The FCC just doesn't give a damn, unless it's swearing on TV

badp

THINK OF THE CHILDREN, AND THE MONETIZATION THEREOF

4

Panic Bomb

The funny thing is that the ISPs are probably going to suffer the biggest blowback if they impact peoples' ability to access free porn, more than anything

2

Sterno

4:19 PM

I need to figure out how to monetize my offspring.

badp

@PanicBomb $29.99/mo, discreet billing

Unionhawk

@BenBrocka Originally, the FCC was like "NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE" when the whole "Net neutrality is not a thing" happened in court, but...

SaintWacko

Even if it gets cheaper, I will leave any ISP that breaks net neutrality

Tim Stone

It would be kind of funny if the FCC did an abrupt about-face the first time one of the ISPs step over the line. "Yeah, so you guys remember how you claimed this was necessary and you wouldn't abuse it? waves middle finger around the room Common carrier status for you all!"

Ben Brocka

the inherent problem with current ISPs is that most people CAN'T leave their ISP

@TimStone I can't see why they would though...even the idiots at the FCC must realize the only "uses" for this are exactly the "abuses"

Origami Robot

4:23 PM

@Sterno BABY FIGHTS

Lazers

0

Q: Minecraft Error, java.lang.VerifyError:

I played Minecraft just recently and decided to update some of my mods. After I updated I got this error (link below) http://pastebin.com/tr0iHD9D If someone got knowledge about this, please tell.

minecraft technical-issues

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka While I agree in the sense that I doubt they're that clever, I suspect that imposing such restrictions would face a lot less "OMG BUT CAPITALISM!" backlash if the politicians who would fling such mud had the opportunity to be impacted first.

Ben Brocka

I earnestly doubt the FCC has any good intentions here

Panic Bomb

Just let the free market* sort it out

*assuming an impossible market with infinite competition and infinite potential for new competitors to enter the market

Ben Brocka

It's fine, there's google fiber in like 3 cities. That means there's competition country wide

Tim Stone

4:27 PM

Also Comcast has great profits and an unexpected influx of new customers, which is plenty of reason to feel bad for them.

Panic Bomb

@BenBrocka I read a thing that said that Google doesn't even intend to actually compete, Google Fiber is designed to motivate other providers to deploy fiber so Google's primary business can benefit from more people having better internet connections

Tim Stone

Wait, is that how logic works?

Panic Bomb

No idea how true it is, though, but it was interesting

Ben Brocka

@PanicBomb yeah they do that a lot. I hope they keep it up with Fiber though, they're the only non-awful ISP, whether they intend to compete or not

badp

@TimStone BUT COMCAST AND WARNER ARE NOT COMPETING ANYWHERE SO CLEARLY IT'S NO MORE AWFUL RIGHT?

THE INVISIBLE HAND IS DOING JUST FINE

Origami Robot

4:30 PM

@BenBrocka FINGERS CROSSED FOR CHARLOTTE

Tim Stone

Yeah, it's aggravating because I like Verizon FiOS from a technical perspective (my connection is entirely reliable and has speeds greater than what I pay for), but Verizon as a company is completely objectionable. |:

Panic Bomb

@TimStone I don't know if it's just my market or what, but FIOS would cost me more (for less speed) than what my cable company gives me already

Braiam

@PanicBomb really?

Panic Bomb

@Braiam As of about a year ago when I checked the prices, yeah

Braiam

:/

Ben Brocka

4:31 PM

I have zero option for FIOS and 1 option for cable. and 1 option for DSL

Panic Bomb

let me check again

Braiam

I am biased towards fiber services

the latency is just too much for me

Ben Brocka

so there's only one option if you want >1Mbps

badp

I'm happy with my ISP but wish I had twice or four times my upload speeds :/

(...it's just an ADSL 2+ link)

What I had in my six months in Germany was twice as fast and many times as unreliable, plus their cable router thingadongdong didn't offer a setting to change the DNS server

Tim Stone

@PanicBomb Yeah, we have TV through FiOS too; could probably have reduced our bill more by bundling with a home phone line (which we don't have), but either way it's the most cost-effective option for what I want. I'm not even sure if anyone else offers these kinds of speeds in this area anyway.

Sterno

4:34 PM

SaintWacko

@Sterno inf

Panic Bomb

And now they're telling me I can't even get it at my address, so I have no idea

Tim Stone

Verizon has a pretty strong presence here though, so that probably helps

Sterno

boo

user15026

@Sterno Doing stuff like that is why you have children, right?

Sterno

4:39 PM

@AshleyNunn Pretty much

Origami Robot

@TimStone TV? GROSS

Panic Bomb

stuff rots yer brain i herd

Ben Brocka

There's a cheap 120GB SSD on newegg I'm sure would be awesome in my parents' computers but I'm sure they'll never understand the benefit of them if I explain it

Sterno

I still haven't installed the last SSD you told me about!

Origami Robot

@Sterno IS TERRIBLE AT USING THE THINGS HE BUYS

Ben Brocka

4:43 PM

you don't have to buy everything I mention

Sterno

I'm awesome at using the things that I buy that I use, though!

Origami Robot

HE JUST BUYS THINGS TO BUY THEM. A TRUE AMERICAN.

Sterno

@BenBrocka Wait... I... I don't?

This changes my world view.

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot #FREEDOM

Sterno

But the SSD was because we still don't have the desk put together to put my wife's computer on

Origami Robot

4:44 PM

@Sterno SUCH PATRIOTISM

Tim Stone

@Sterno I had two 512 GB SSDs it took me 6 months to install.

shakes head at self

Sterno

@TimStone See? It's only been 2 months for me!

Clearly I'm less horrible than @TimStone

Tim Stone

You're doing good then!

Ben Brocka

@TimStone I have a CPU cooler I haven't installed since christmas. I hate installing these things

Tim Stone

Ah yeah, that's a pain in the ass

Origami Robot

4:46 PM

I AM WELL OVER A YEAR BEHIND IN THE COMICS I BUY WEEKLY

Ben Brocka

I dunno if it installs without swapping the backplate or not. It didn't before, but the intel backplate's screws seem to be in a similar config

StrixVaria

@fredley Your app only shows me 3 starred messages instead of 10.

Lazers

0

Q: How to cast the wisp?

I'm playing Necromancer. So you can see from my skill tree that I have the Wisp skill unlocked, however my skill bar I only have access to the Skeleton Marauder. How do I activate the Wisp?