The Bridge

5:00 PM

I kind of want to write, like, an open letter to Ken Ham etc, explaining as someone who believes creationism and evolutionism are not necessarily mutually exclusive (though Mr. Ham's school of thought is pretty much not compatible with anything), but effort.

And the other side of the argument is just "You're wrong", so there's really no point.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE Calling them Image Macros always makes me feel so old. But also so superior.

TZHX

creationism is only compatible with evolution if you don't take any of its concepts from the bible.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz hahaha

RedRiderX

@Unionhawk Yes Ken Ham in particular feels that there is no room for OEC

LessPop_MoreFizz

@TZHX biblical text as metaphor is a perfectly acceptable reading that's quite compatible.

RedRiderX

5:02 PM

But then again, neither does Nye really.

Unionhawk

@TZHX What I believe, is that if you don't take the Bible as a literal work of history, then it very much fits in.

Ken Ham, on the other hand, takes it as literal history.

FAE

@RedRiderX OEC?

RedRiderX

Old Earth Creationism.

TZHX

if you're not going to take His word as truth, what's the point of it?

FAE

aaah, gotcha

RedRiderX

5:03 PM

As opposed to Young Earth Creationism.

@TZHX That is very much the opposing argument.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@TZHX Truth is not the same as Fact.

RedRiderX

Hmmmm.

plz explain

TZHX

most of the 'creationists' I've come into contact with, who are otherwise actually reasonably sound in their science knowledge, seem to be of the Young Earth types.

Lazers

0

Q: Does "Adropter" modification bonus stack with Blast Wave Localizer effect?

The Blast Wave Localizer artifact increases the chance of loot drop by preserving destroyed ship equipment from damage. But does its effect add to the "Adropter" weapon modification's similar effect? Or should I use only the artifact in favor of potentially higher firepower modifications?

space-rangers-hd

0

Q: Warframe PC Version - How to roll

On this page, on the gamepad control section it says 2: You can sprint by holding down the left joystick. If you tap it, your character will perform a roll. On the Keyboard Controls section, there is no trace of rolling. IS there a way?

warframe

RedRiderX

@TZHX Hmm yes and it seems like Ham wants to make the distinction between "observational" and "historical" science.

Or something like that

Martin Sojka

5:05 PM

I can typically agree when people claim that Earth is young. As long as we're still talking "young" as in "about 4.5 billion years" and compare that to the age of the universe.

SaintWacko

@LessPop_MoreFizz evolution idiots

RedRiderX

@SaintWacko Yeah I wasn't going to say anything but...

Unionhawk

Basically, I believe that the creation narratives in Genesis are, generally, but not specifically, how it happened. It's complicated.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@SaintWacko rhetorical question. :P

TZHX

@MartinSojka I think they're thinking several orders of magnitude below that.

RedRiderX

5:08 PM

@TZHX Heheh yeah most YEC estimates are ~6000 years

Gaming Topics From Outside

0

Q: How to run Llanfair on Ubuntu?

Now, to define, Llanfair is a stopwatch esque program, used by speed runners, which is found Here . The program is available as a Windows download, as well as a .Jar file for use on all other Operating Systems. I went ahead and installed JDK Java Runtime 7 from the Software centre, set the Execut...

13.10 java games executable

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz HOLY BALLS THIS IS THE WORST THING I'VE EVER SEEN

also hi guys :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@spugsley How did I know you'd love it?

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz it's weird. I hate it so much that I think it might actually be the most brilliant thing I've ever seen

LessPop_MoreFizz

@spugsley Exactly!

@spugsley Be sure to check out the other work.

spugsley

5:10 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz oh god there's more?

I'm going to click on this even though every part of my brain says not to

TZHX

so, is a tag wiki that doesn't meet the meta consesus for format better than none at all?

SaintWacko

Lazers

0

Q: how can i make counter strike 1.6 third person?

I want to play it in third person. I tried these things: I did set cam_idealyaw 0 And then I wrote "thirdperson" in console. But it didn't work. how can i do it?

counter-strike third-person-view

LessPop_MoreFizz

SaintWacko

While on a road trip with my girlfriend, we passed a bookstore whose owners are very firm believers in a young earth

StrixVaria

5:12 PM

@SaintWacko Don't you live in Oklahoma?

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz That is amazingly creepy.

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz god I hatelove this

Jason Berkan

@LessPop_MoreFizz That is unbelievably creepy and awesome all at the same time.

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria Yeah

This was in Woodward

FAE

@JasonBerkan They're brilliantly disturbing.

StrixVaria

5:12 PM

@SaintWacko I feel like the further you get from an ocean, the more likely that kind of thing is.

LessPop_MoreFizz

3 hours ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

Torso made of doll parts

SaintWacko

This is the sign they had

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz aaaaa why this thing

FAE

@SaintWacko This link wants me to download it

StrixVaria

@SaintWacko Please rehost on imgur. It's prompting me to download instead of just showing me in browser.

user15026

5:13 PM

moreover, do I wanna know how you find this stuff?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn To terrify @spugsley of course.

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria

And the other one

Actually, there are a lot more

fredley

@SaintWacko Designed to do exactly what they did

FAE

> not because of the evidence

...

SaintWacko

@fredley I like your diamond

fredley

5:15 PM

@SaintWacko Thank you

SaintWacko

I know, that sign was killing us

Tim Stone

@SaintWacko They were designed to do exactly what they did!

LessPop_MoreFizz

X GON' GIVE IT TO YA

SaintWacko

And the bit about carbon-14 dating

FAE

@fredley I'm disappointed. I wanted a diamond pork chop.

SaintWacko

5:16 PM

For those who don't know, radiocarbon dating doesn't work on things older than 50,000 years

fredley

@FAE That could still happen tbh

I'm not comfortable with change

Martin Sojka

@RedRiderX Which is kinda strange, given that we know of multicellular organisms (well, plants, since animals suck at the whole "not dying for a significant amount of time" thing) which are ten times as old.

Tim Stone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Wait, is this really real?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@TimStone YES. IT IS REAL.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz I heard about this and I expected it to be like an Onion headline

Martin Sojka

5:16 PM

Pando (tree)

Pando (Latin for "I spread"), also known as The Trembling Giant, is a clonal colony of a single male quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) determined to be a single living organism by identical genetic markers and assumed to have one massive underground root system. The plant is estimated to weigh collectively 6,000,000 kg (6,600 short tons), making it the heaviest known organism. The root system of Pando, at an estimated 80,000 years old, is among the oldest known living organisms. Pando is located 1 mile southwest of Fish Lake on Utah route 25. in the Fremont River Ranger District of th...

LessPop_MoreFizz

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS GOING TO GET THE SHIT POUNDED OUT OF HIM BY DMX

FAE

@fredley I'm picturing your old gravatar but with the diamond kind of texture

SaintWacko

RedRiderX

@MartinSojka Yes at that point they cast doubt on the validity of the different dating methods

fredley

@FAE I'll see what I can do, my pixel art skills aren't great

RedRiderX

5:17 PM

But I'm not familiar with all the arguments on either side.

SaintWacko

also, my girlfriend just sent me a link to this

Martin Sojka

@RedRiderX At which point I'd suggest they go talk it over with the tree himself. ;)

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka The tree will do as good a job of changing their minds as anyone else

Tim Stone

@LessPop_MoreFizz I have no words

LessPop_MoreFizz

1

Ask Alternative

Proposed Q&A site for Questions regarding alternative lifestyle, such as Alternative clothing, accessories, music and general alternative lifestyle.

Currently in definition.

Martin Sojka

5:19 PM

@SaintWacko Yes, but they won't bother anyone else, and I'm pretty sure Pando will deal with it just as it did with the hundreds of human generations before them.

Tim Stone

@SaintWacko God made the red rainbow that's formed by connecting all those points so your argument is invalid.

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka True

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz HotTopic.SE

SaintWacko

@TimStone Damnit!

LessPop_MoreFizz

Is it 1996?

user15026

5:19 PM

Politely, I would like to ask we don't have an intense anti-Christian theology discussion in here, as, well, I'd prefer my belief system not poked at too heavily. I get that there are people who believe odd things (such as the young earth thing), but....well....yeah.

10

3ventic

Religious discussions on the internet are a bad idea as a whole.

FAE

@AshleyNunn You missed most of it, don't read backscroll.

user4704

@AshleyNunn You don't have to be polite any longer you know :P (also congrats).

user15026

@FAE Reading the backscroll prompted my current point.

Martin Sojka

@AshleyNunn But I like to criticise my own religion (which happens to be Roman Catholic) ... ;)

SaintWacko

5:21 PM

@AshleyNunn Sorry, didn't mean to be anti-Christian. The bible thing may have been a bit much. You are quite welcome to remove it, it's too late for me to do so

user15026

@SaintWacko Nah, it's okay, I get where you are coming from. I just figured I would stave off anything further.

user4704

(presumably there are other chat rooms related to the various religion SE sites that would be more appropriate for the topic though)

user15026

(I think that is the right word I wanted.)

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn (Yep)

3ventic

@JoshPetrie Bringing up what's on-topic based on the site is probably not a very good point to make in a room that's barely ever on-topic based on the related site...

spugsley

5:22 PM

(I agree too in parenthesis)

Tim Stone

(I just want to be one of the cool kids)

user15026

@JoshPetrie Habit, man. You've not broken me of the niceness yet!

RedRiderX

(are we talking in parentheses now?)

user15026

(I don't know what I started)

Lazers

0

Q: Not always seeing particles in game

Recently I've been experiencing weird behaviors while playing League. My ping stays around a normal 80-90ms. Occasionally everything will stop moving then a few seconds later everything will happen all at once. All the while ping is still where it was before. Other times I won't see particles ap...

league-of-legends

0

Q: Which game is this animation from?

I don't really know if it's from a game, but it surely looks like: This animation is used as avatar in several different forums over the internet.

arcade

Mad Scientist

5:23 PM

@AshleyNunn Creationism is pretending to be science, so it does not get any protection based on trying to respect religious sensibilities. And it is certainly not anti-christian as more than half of Christianity are not creationists

spugsley

(I like it. It feels very quiet)

FAE

@spugsley To me, it just parses as people talking OOC.

FEichinger

@MadScientist Or we could just drop the topic ...

Tim Stone

@Lazers (I first read this title as "Not always seeing parentheses in game")

LessPop_MoreFizz

Oh hey an artifact based ITG that isn't garbage!

spugsley

5:24 PM

@FAE lol same. Ahhhh the days of RPing. I miss them. Sometimes.

3ventic

@TimStone You've been seeing too many parentheses.

Mad Scientist

@FEichinger I'm not saying this topic should be continued, but I also don't think it is problematic to discuss this in here

FAE

@spugsley I still do sometimes. I've never actually done any PnP games *off*line, so.

Fluttershy

@Lazers A Boy and His Blob.

spugsley

@FAE I never RPed anything specific except LOTR and Dragonlance. And that was WAY back in the day. Like when I was 14. Then I moved on to general like...Medieval/Fantasy world stuff. I was a weird kid I guess :p

user15026

5:25 PM

@MadScientist Please don't.

user15026

@spugsley I read it as whispers.

FAE

@spugsley My first online RP was Animorphs, so I can't throw stones at anyone yo.

Sepia Lazers

0

Q: Should I be able to review tag-wiki edits, if I can't make them?

Suggested edits to tag wikis appear in my review queue on the site. However, if I go to edit a tag wiki (excerpt in this case), that also goes into a queue. Is it a mistake that I'm able to review actions that I can't actually perform? Or is it a case of multiple-people review, so one person ma...

support

spugsley

@FAE that's amazing :D

FAE

@spugsley I played Cassie!

spugsley

5:26 PM

:DDDDD

FAE

Was just free-form RPing with a bunch of people. It was fun.

Back on gasp AOL.

spugsley

@FAE lol ah yes

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE Oh god, back in the day

user15026

@FAE Oh man, I remember when I figured out how to get around parental controls on AOL so I could RP in a Tamora Pierce roleplay.

Fluttershy

Anyone remember CheetaChat?

spugsley

5:27 PM

I RPed on Neopets most of the time. But then they got CRAZY strict with their rules. And I got banned. A lot.

3

RedRiderX

@spugsley Oh my

spugsley

@RedRiderX yeah, and for exactly the reasons you would think ;)

Arperum

@spugsley You kicked too many babys?

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz I didn't have my first home internet access until 1995, that was only briefly for a month, and then I didn't have it regularly until 1999.

spugsley

@Arperum of course! :D

FAE

5:28 PM

So I was a latecomer to the interwebs.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@spugsley I remember the day I hooked up AOL at home for the first time vividly.

user15026

@spugsley I tried to check my Neopets the other week.....apparently I got hacked so I can't access it anymore.

LessPop_MoreFizz

April 5th, 1994.

FAE

Never did the old BBS stuff or anything, never had CompuServe

user15026

My parents only stopped using AOL when their computer refused to install it.

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:29 PM

I mainly remember it because the first time I ever signed on to AOL, was the night Kurt Cobain died. It was how we found out.

Coronus

@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh my.

spugsley

My dad was the first to get internet and my parents were divorced. He got it in 1995. And my mom didn't get AOL (DIAL UP AOL) until 2005. I was in high school.

LessPop_MoreFizz

And I remember sitting there with my dad, trying to figure out how to use AOL

Arperum

Also: 3DS get! The shop was being redesigned/ stuff was being moved all over the place, so finding the 3DS's was quite an adventure.

LessPop_MoreFizz

and somehow we stumbled into one of the Breaking News Chat Rooms where people were getting very bent out of shape about Kurts death

Frank

5:30 PM

scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2014/02/04/…

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LessPop_MoreFizz

and my dad, being who he is, proceeded to troll the fuck out of them without even knowing that that was A Thing That People Do On The Internet.

FEichinger

@spugsley Teeheehee.

Frank

Play games to help cancer research!

spugsley

@FEichinger :3

Sterno

I remember really wanting to dial in to Prodigy so I could play the Neverwinter Nights MMO in like 1992. And I did, once. But the phone bill was ridiculous per minute.

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:31 PM

(He proceeded to not use the internet again for another decade after that before I finally managed to get him to, kicking and screaming, set up his own email address.)

FAE

@Frank So like Folding@Home kind of thing for cancer?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Sterno NWN was on AOL not prodigy.

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz nice :p He still beat my mom to the Internet game

LessPop_MoreFizz

I know because I played it and it was the shit.

Sterno

@LessPop_MoreFizz AOL then!

Frank

5:31 PM

@FAE Except it's using more human pattern recognition than just processor power.

user15026

My parents had dialup til.....2011?

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz Do I even want to know what he did?

spugsley

@AshleyNunn awww you win :p

FAE

My parents still have dialup. :(

user15026

@FAE Rural?

spugsley

5:32 PM

@FAE YOU WIN!

FAE

@AshleyNunn Yep. Cable and DSL don't provide service as far out as where they live.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FAE just dumb shit like "THE JUNKIE IS DEAD HA HA" and other such nonsense IIRC.

user15026

My parents got lucky, someone agreed to set up a microwave relay tower on their silo, so the town could get highspeed.

Tim Stone

I never had AOL, thankfully enough.

spugsley

@FAE awwww

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:32 PM

I don't remember, just that he got a bunch of people angry at him and thought it was very funny.

FAE

@spugsley No, I really really lose. This is why I'm barely around when I go home to the US.

user15026

@FAE Mine neither, they have some microwave relay set up that has blown off hte silo a few times :P

FAE

It can't handle chat.

user15026

@FAE :(

spugsley

@FAE :(

FAE

5:33 PM

@AshleyNunn Friend of mine who lives in Arizona has something like this.

user15026

@FAE It works pretty well, for what it is.

FAE

@Frank There's a protein folding game that I can't remember the name of where you can do that.

RedRiderX

fold.it/portal?

Frank

@FAE Yeah. I think that's where they got the idea from.

FAE

@spugsley What's worse is they only have one phone line, so I can't get online during the day when I'm there because it has to be open for calls.

user15026

5:34 PM

@RedRiderX Beat me to it!

FAE

@RedRiderX Yes

user15026

@FAE WHen I was a teenager I bought my own phone line so I could have internet. It had been owned previously by an older couple, and I got SO MANY of their phone calls.

user15026

@Frank Downloading it now :)

fredley

Thoughts?

Alex M.

TeS Online beta key here, anyone who'd like to get it?

FEichinger

5:35 PM

@fredley diamond chop

3ventic

It looks like a cyan bean.

MBraedley

@fredley A little tough to eat, I would think

fredley

@MBraedley Crunchy

spugsley

@fredley is it a lima bean?

FEichinger

@spugsley No, that'd be more green, wouldn't it?

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:36 PM

@fredley Needs darker scoring for texture

RedRiderX

@fredley Nice

spugsley

@FEichinger maybe it's a prettier lima bean

fredley

@LessPop_MoreFizz eh?

FEichinger

@spugsley You're a "prettier lima bean" ... Wait.

3ventic

I don't like it when moderators have long names... it hides their diamond :(

Alex M.

5:36 PM

aaand, it went away

spugsley

@FEichinger :D

FAE

@fredley You know the color that you used at the border of the black on the bottom? Use that one or the one above it to make the dark "grill" patterns on the porkchop

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley there are lines on the porkchop, which I presume are supposed to be scoring - grillmarks.

user4704

@fredley Congrats.

LessPop_MoreFizz

But they are nearly invisible. They ought to be darker.

fredley

5:37 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Ok, I'll see how I get on

SaintWacko

@FAE This

fredley

Better?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley Gettin there. I'd go darker still.

fredley

Much darker than that looks bad

Gravatar size

RedRiderX

maybe too dark

fredley

5:42 PM

MAKE YOUR MINDS UP

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley that looks substantially better. Especially shrunk.

fredley

Bottom left hand corner needs fixing

SaintWacko

@fredley Yeah, that looks good

user15026

@fredley That looks good in the tiny size.

SaintWacko

Maybe remove the grill mark in the bottom left

Because in the small size it just looks like the line is messed up there

TZHX

5:43 PM

would it be appropriate to tag this question with faq?

FAE

@fredley Much better

3ventic

@TZHX It would, but it would be good to have a clear answer. As it stands, the answers merely hint at the disapproval of multiplayer cheats.

TZHX

@3ventic Ok...

fredley

The porkchop is back

Adds and removes everyone as room owner to refresh their pages

kalina

your meat looks like it's... a bit off

Krazer

5:51 PM

@fredley not blue enough.

fredley

@Krazer It's the same palette as the diamond

@kalina If by 'off' you mean MADE OF PURE DIAMOND

You'd be right

Krazer

@fredley diamonds are blue on SE

kalina

@fredley pure diamond isn't blue, it's clear

Krazer

I guess you didn't get the memo

fredley

@kalina Lies

kalina

5:52 PM

but no, it looks... off

fredley

@Krazer Diamonds are also blue in Minecraft

kalina

I think you should make it pink

fredley

@kalina No.

kalina

pink is best porkchop colour

Krazer

I agree with pink

RedRiderX

5:53 PM

@fredley Well...

teal

ish

fredley

@RedRiderX They are precisely this colour

RedRiderX

@fredley Indeed

fredley

@kalina If you want to get food poisoning, yes

FEichinger

@fredley No, that'd be green.

spugsley

Pork can have parasites in it :3

Krazer

5:54 PM

@fredley not enough boron impurities

OrigamiRobot

@KALINA PREFERS FREDLEY'S MEAT TO BE PINK: DATA ACCEPTED

fredley

@spugsley this

Diamonds look like this:

FYI

FEichinger

@spugsley Is ... is the ":3" really all that fitting?

kalina

@fredley looks like an egg

spugsley

@FEichinger ummmmm yes :3

kalina

5:55 PM

I was pretty sure it was an egg for like, the last 24 hours

Krazer

RedRiderX

spugsley

@fredley this is the most egg looking thing

Unionhawk

@spugsley More egg looking than an egg?

spugsley

@Unionhawk yes

Unionhawk

5:57 PM

@spugsley Wow.

Wipqozn

@fredley oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh, now I get it. I thought it was an egg.

FEichinger

I guess I'm now supposed to say "Oh, that wasn't an egg?"

Krazer

spugsley

@Unionhawk Much egg.

Wipqozn

I haven't played Minecraft in so long I forgot what Diamonds looked like.

RedRiderX

5:57 PM

@Krazer Heh

OrigamiRobot

I want to play FtB again :(

Wipqozn

I want to play Banished.

Jason Berkan

I never want to play FtB again.

RedRiderX

@JasonBerkan This

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot I kind of do too. A little.

Meraj99

5:58 PM

Morning, bridge! (Actually, night here)

Tim Stone

Meraj99

And congrats to the new mods.

Frank

I want to play Lightning Returns

Tim Stone

I pressed up and this was in my command history for some reason.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot New blog post shiningrocksoftware.com/?p=2214

Tim Stone

5:59 PM

What the hell was I doing?

spugsley

@Meraj99 hi!

Wipqozn

cc @TimStone @GnomeSlice

fredley

RedRiderX

@TimStone ...

@TimStone Interesting...

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