The Bridge

9:00 PM

No, don't.

Don't star all that shit.

@Strix I used to do what you just did but @badp yelled at he that there's done obscure technical reason to have mods as owners.

So it might be wise to give it back to the 4 or 5 who are chat active.

SaintWacko

o.0

StrixVaria

I don't think we need every mod as an owner, but I'll add it back on the active ones since I guess that makes sense.

Feeds

StrixVaria has added LessPop_MoreFizz to the list of this room's owners.

StrixVaria has added badp to the list of this room's owners.

StrixVaria has added fredley to the list of this room's owners.

StrixVaria has added Ashley Nunn to the list of this room's owners.

user15026

Okay, that auto refresh is startling

StrixVaria

9:02 PM

I CAN AUTOREFRESH MODS

LessPop_MoreFizz

@strix agreed. Let @badp yell at you if need be. Because whatever.

OrigamiRobot

Now the end of @LessPop_MoreFizz's name is clipped off :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

@strixvaria MOD ABUSE DOES NOT MEAN ABUSE OF MODS.

user15026

@StrixVaria I didn't know it did that! So when you removed me, I was like oh shit did I break it?

StrixVaria

I like how 3/4 active mods have been mods for one hour.

2

Lazers

9:03 PM

0

Q: SteamCMD "Error! App '237410' state is 0x10502 after update job"

I should most likely contact Steam Support as well about this, but my hope is this will be an easy fix. My friends and I recently purchased Insurgency, so, in an attempt to get a server running, I downloaded SteamCMD, set the installation directory, and ran app_update 237410 -validate Unfort...

fredley

@StrixVaria What could possibly go wrong!

LessPop_MoreFizz

Okay. Time to go buy coffee and drive home.

MBraedley

@GraceNote can meta questions have more than one mod tag? If so, I think the election results post should also be tagged [status-complete]

Jason Berkan

@LessPop_MoreFizz The blue clashes with the red of your avatar.

:P

user20683

@JasonBerkan He's mostly orange, that's complementary to blue :P

user20683

9:05 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Blue and Orange Morality perhaps? :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

@jason Doctor Teeth is my spirit animal. My avatar will always be doctor teeth.

Qwertie

@fredley How do you store paswords in your game MAMOTA? I just want to make sure its safe

Grace Note

@MBraedley They can but I feel that is unnecessary since there isn't actually an action there that happened.

fredley

@Qwertie Hashed

Grace Note

No one ever complained about blue clashing with my red avatars.

Wipqozn

9:07 PM

@StackExchange Even you!

RedRiderX

@Qwertie Well, I'd just not use any important passwords either way.

MBraedley

@fredley and salted?

fredley

@MBraedley pbkdf2

RedRiderX

There isn't a lot to lose right now in any case.

What with db resets every other day

fredley

@MBraedley I just use Django's built in hashing, which I trust

GnomeSlice

9:08 PM

cabrerabrothers.com

Jason Berkan

@GraceNote Complain is a strong word for my comment. It's more that my eye is not used to LessPop's name being blue.

MBraedley

@fredley Which means the passwords aren't salted

GnomeSlice

cyberpunk text game

fredley

@RedRiderX Oh no, much more frequently than that!

@MBraedley It doesn't?

MBraedley

@fredley I suspect not. Salt is usually something you have to add.

fredley

9:09 PM

@MBraedley Good thing I use a different hashing plugin for the stuff that matters then!

3ventic

PHP's password_hash function automatically includes a salt..

fredley

91

Q: How can bcrypt have built-in salts?

Coda Hale's article "How To Safely Store a Password" claims that: bcrypt has salts built-in to prevent rainbow table attacks. He cites this paper, which says that in OpenBSD's implementation of bcrypt: OpenBSD generates the 128-bit bcrypt salt from an arcfour (arc4random(3)) key strea...

security hash internals bcrypt

RedRiderX

@GnomeSlice thefreebundle.com

Grace Note

@JasonBerkan I'm sorry for that, didn't mean to imply that you complained. I'm just complaining that no one is complaining.

MBraedley

@fredley okay, I stand corrected

fredley

9:10 PM

@MBraedley Django has salt

Jason Berkan

@GraceNote In that case, I'm complaining that it's too cold out.

fredley

@MBraedley We've come a long way from $pass = md5($salt . $POST['password']);

MBraedley

I guess making it easier is a good thing

fredley

Just typing that felt dirty

Grace Note

@JasonBerkan That it is.

user15026

9:12 PM

@JasonBerkan This = true

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Complaining can be arranged.

9 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot

Now the end of @LessPop_MoreFizz's name is clipped off :(

user15026

sets up a complaints box

Jason Berkan

@AshleyNunn This == true (that's what Codecademy teaches, no?)

Though I guess This === true in icky JavaScript.

fredley

@JasonBerkan true == This

user15026

@JasonBerkan this === true (because then it won't change things to force equality)

Jason Berkan

9:13 PM

@fredley Doesn't read well.

Code should be readable and writable.

fredley

@JasonBerkan But prevents you from accidentally typing Dat = true

Jason Berkan

@fredley So does VB. :P

Yuki

This ==== this

3ventic

True is this /YodaVoice

fredley

@Yuki -i

StrixVaria

9:14 PM

@fredley I like this form better.

Jason Berkan

(Actually proper coding style would be if this).

badp

8

StrixVaria

if ([constant] [operator] [variable])

Yuki

@badp I thought it was "gooble gobble gooble gobble".

3ventic

while(true) sleep();

badp

9:14 PM

@Yuki what did I write?

Yuki

@badp "gobble gobble gobble gobble"

StrixVaria

@badp Why is @fredley's gravatar dilapidated?

OrigamiRobot

@Yuki It's "Gooble Gobble"

fredley

@badp My gravatar looks like something unmentionable :(

3ventic

The steak looks like it's gone bad..

Grace Note

9:15 PM

@StrixVaria Lazers

badp

@fredley The Powerpoint cutout filter didn't treat your gravatar well, sorry

Lazers

0

Q: Are there any risks of having none or few systems controlled by pirates?

I've learned that taking a system over by pirates requires destroying military bases, ranger centers, business centers and science bases, which is bad for system protection from dominators. But are there any downsides to having no or very few systems controlled by pirates?

space-rangers-hd

fredley

@badp I have a new one anyway

Waiting for it to migrate to chat

badp

but let me tell you, it treated the others just as unfairly

Yuki

@OrigamiRobot Yes. I'm correcting the image...

badp

9:16 PM

@fredley force a sync you dummkopf

fredley

@badp How?

3ventic

Yuki

1 min ago, by Yuki

@badp I thought it was "gooble gobble gooble gobble".

3ventic

That one?

user15026

I am debating a change but I like my face

OrigamiRobot

9:16 PM

@Yuki Dammit, I read what you wrote wrong.

badp

@fredley from your profile page

MBraedley

@fredley Shiny!

OrigamiRobot

Reading is the worst.

badp

@Yuki well our moderators gobble.

user15026

@badp chews on flags

fredley

9:17 PM

@badp Handy!

badp

@fredley Whenever people switched out from pony avatars and complained about chat being slow, I always clicked that button for them

RedRiderX

These are strange times we live in

fredley

@RedRiderX It looks as much like meat as it does a diamond

RedRiderX

True

Also needs more transparency.

fredley

@RedRiderX Also I think I'm going to edit it, the asymmetry hurts.

badp

9:20 PM

@RedRiderX Meat + LAZERS = diamond

2

fredley

@RedRiderX It has, SE does not has

RedRiderX

badp

It's still carbon, you see; it's just arranged differently.

RedRiderX

Ah okay

Yuki

@AshleyNunn I can't stop laughing.

3ventic

9:22 PM

Time to do some moderator recruitment of my own, see ya

user15026

@Yuki What even omg

SaintWacko

Woohoo! Just found an easter egg in Risk of Rain!

Feeds

badp has removed StrixVaria from the list of this room's owners.

Yuki

So I saw The Amazing Spider-Man last night. Not sure how I feel about it.

Feeds

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badp has added Raven Dreamer to the list of this room's owners.

badp has added Oak to the list of this room's owners.

Undo

9:27 PM

@badp But mods have room owner powaz anyway!

Feeds

badp has added jmfsg to the list of this room's owners.

badp has added agent86 to the list of this room's owners.

Wipqozn

@Yuki You should think it was terrible.

Feeds

badp has added Wipqozn to the list of this room's owners.

Yuki

@Wipqozn I like his fighting style better than the first trilogy, I can say that for sure.

But I'm meh about the rest of the movie.

badp

@Undo I have been a mod longer than you have been a user. Moderators have room owner here. Trust me.

I can explain it to you in private, if you insist, but moderator room ownership is a thing that will keep on happening.

Undo

9:32 PM

@badp If you'd like, you can explain here. Mods can do anything owners can anyway, right?

badp

no, I will not explain it here.

Undo

@badp Ok, I'm fine with it being private then.

badp

@Undo Okay. It is possible for moderators to lose their diamond on chat temporarily. Keeping room ownership gives us a modicum of control over this chat room even if that happens.

Don't tell anybody!

2

Undo

@badp Ah, forgot about that. Yeah, chat parent users can be a little tricky :P

Yuki

@badp So tempted to ~~pin~~ star this... I shall resist!

Just remembered I can't pin. My brief two seconds of room ownership seems to have tainted my mind.

hichris123

9:39 PM

@badp Um... how?

RedRiderX

Hey I have 3 popular questions now!

badp

@hichris123 Glitches.

They happen.

hichris123

@Undo here had one of those. ;) Lost 5/6 of his chat rep.

Undo

It was horrible. I couldn't see any ~~useless~~ 100% accurate flags from this room.

Unionhawk

>_>

RedRiderX

9:43 PM

?

badp

Okay, let's be crunching numbers!

1. LessPopMoreFizz
2. fredley
3. Ashley Nunn
4. StrixVaria
5. Frank
6. Wipqzon
7. shanodin
8. Jason Berkan
9. 3ventic
10. Ullallulloo

Some of these make me go :(, others make me go :)

Undo

crunches number

OW! NUMBERS ARE HARD!

user15026

@badp Sorry, but now you are stuck with me :P

user15026

Speedy delete, there, but I still caught it :P

Yuki

@AshleyNunn Oh, what'd he say?

Undo

9:46 PM

@AshleyNunn As a mod you can see deleted chat messages ;)

user15026

@Undo True, but seeing it live is funner

badp

Yup! chat.stackexchange.com/messages/13589294/history

user15026

@Yuki Words!

Undo

true

Yuki

@AshleyNunn Frozen/Mean Girls mash-up.

user15026

9:48 PM

@Yuki I loved Mean GIrls so much.

Yuki

Actually, have you still not seen Frozen, @AshleyNunn?

user15026

@Yuki I havent because I am fail

user15026

I need to fix this

Yuki

@AshleyNunn YES YOU DO.

I hereby refuse to show you any more cool Frozen-related things until you go watch it.

user15026

@Yuki Meanie.

Yuki

9:49 PM

I will just say "Oh hey, I found something interesting, @AshleyNunn, too bad I can't show it to you because you haven't seen Frozen yet.".

user15026

@Yuki cries

shanodin

Hey, just thought I'd drop in and congratulate our new diamonds :)

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn *meabie

Yuki

@AshleyNunn Think about it this way: Once you do watch it, I'll post everything at once.

user15026

@Yuki Frozen Flood!

SaintWacko

9:50 PM

fin

Lazers

0

Q: what is the best male follower and female follower

I am on the ps3 and don't want to use any mods so which is the best male and female followers. I don't want any animal though such as the dogs or shawdowmere and I would prefer human follower such as Nord's or bretons . if you could name a few that would be great.

skyrim

Yuki

Oh hey, I found something interesting, @AshleyNunn, too bad I can't show it to you because you haven't seen Frozen yet.

user15026

@Yuki I may be working to fix that.

Yuki

@AshleyNunn Yay for motivation!

OrigamiRobot

@SaintWacko How many loops?

SaintWacko

9:53 PM

@OrigamiRobot Um. 3 or 4? Hang on, I'll finish it and see

kalina

'grats to the three

badp

3

GnomeSlice

@kalina Why are you a default gravatar?

OrigamiRobot

WHY ARE YOU GREEN?

ONLY @JOHN CAN BE GREEN

kalina

why does it matter?

badp

9:57 PM

@OrigamiRobot You are green too

kalina

@badp that's quite some gap

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot I was on my fifth loop

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Change scares me.

SaintWacko

Had 35 drones

GnomeSlice

@kalina What?

kalina

9:57 PM

@OrigamiRobot you only just recently changed your avatar

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Yes, and I don't like it.

kalina

*shrug* get over it

badp

@kalina I guess the race for third was close enough to make Meek matter

OrigamiRobot

I'd change back, but then I'd be even more scared.

kalina

@badp it certainly looks that way

Sconibulus

9:59 PM

Well... the outcome is the same as if it only looks at first votes, right?

badp

@Sconibulus No, Frank would be 4th if you did that

And Strix would be 8th

Jason Berkan

@badp Frank, moi and Shanodin would be in a tie for fourth.

Sconibulus

@badp Outcome only cares about the diamonds!

badp

@Sconibulus If we need to replace just 1 mod, we might give 4th place a call!

It has happened. On Stack Overflow.

Sconibulus

oh, ok

Ullallulloo

10:11 PM

So if we ever need seven new mods urgently, I have a chance?

user20683

@Ullallulloo maybe?

Yuki

@Ullallulloo <starts inspecting his pistols> Maaaaaybe?

FAE

@badp Hey now.

Yuki

So, the due date for our second homework has been postponed by two weeks now.

RedRiderX

Well that sounds nice

GnomeSlice

10:13 PM

@Yuki More time for video games.

Yuki

I finished it two weeks ago.

FAE

Congratulations @LessPop_MoreFizz, @fredley, and @AshleyNunn!

badp

@FAE it was a terrible pun. Sorry

FEichinger

KSP .24 goals

Yuki

@FAE More like congratulations to @StrixVaria, @Frank, @Wipqozn, @shanodin, @JasonBerkan, @3ventic, and @Ullallulloo.

Ullallulloo

10:14 PM

Then I just need to cause a 80% increase in traffic overnight.

Yuki

Yay, you didn't get elected as mods! We have, on the other hand, condemned @LessPop_MoreFizz, @fredley, and @AshleyNunn to an eternity in modship.

badp

Yes, let me share a big thank you to all runner-ups, all candidates that didn't make it to the primaries and to all that voted!

Frank

Just got home from visiting my buddy in the hospital.

He's doing better, so that's good.

John

@KALINA IS STEALING MY GREEN-NESS

kalina

blame SE, they assigned me these colours!

Yuki

10:16 PM

@John I see no signs of your dismay.

John

@kalina They assigned me mine first!

kalina

that... is probably true

John

@Yuki How about a classic ":("?

Yuki

@John There we go.

Frank

@badp I beat @Wipqozn. That is somewhat of a surprise.

Wipqozn

10:19 PM

Pretty sure I lost because of this:

Jan 27 at 20:09, by GnomeSlice

If @Wipqozn gets elected I'm going to delete my account.

People just didn't want to see @GnomeSlice go!

GnomeSlice

Sorry... I didn't actually mean it.

Wipqozn

I can't tell if you're being serious or nor, because I was joking.

Frank

@Wipqozn Way to go, blaming @GnomeSlice for your failures. :P

I blame you for not being awesome enough!

Wipqozn

@Frank Just getting practice in for the next election.

Frank

@Wipqozn I am honestly surprised I had more first votes than you did.

Krazer

10:21 PM

@Wipqozn The community could never handle a mod as handsome as you anyway!

Frank

I'm a pretty polarizing kind of guy.

Yuki

@Krazer I think you're missing a negation in there somewhere.

And perhaps incorrect tense.

I could be wrong.

Wipqozn

ALso, time to kill monsters.

Krazer

@Yuki Sorry I didn't mean to upset the grammar patrol

Frank

@FEichinger Better physics! Yay!

Yuki

10:23 PM

@Krazer I normally don't really care, but missing a negation completely changes the meaning of your sentence, typically.

GnomeSlice

@RedRiderX Is that related somehow?

Yuki

I only care about spelling and grammar when whatever you're trying to say is not immediately obvious.

Krazer

@Yuki that's what I get for not sleeping

GnomeSlice

Oh, right, they operate the freebundle

RedRiderX

@GnomeSlice Yes

Although I probably shouldn't have linked it yet.

The site is usually down for the first few days after a bundle is announced.

FAE

10:28 PM

More importantly, thank you to @3ventic, @Fluttershy, @Frank, @JasonBerkan, @JeffreyLin, @kalina, @M'vy, @shanodin, @spugsley, @StrixVaria, @Ullallulloo, @Wandang, @Wipqozn, and @WorldEngineer for nominating, whether you decided to stay in the running or not. As someone who's ran twice before, I know it can be stressful to put yourself in the community spotlight for scrutiny in that way. I hope all of you, whether you made it to the election phase or not, found it a valuable experience and ->

3

you'll continue to help the site and its underlying community grow.

Stupid character limits.

kalina

@FAE this basically sums up everything wrong with the world

FAE

Which I contend is probably the running theme of this election.

Yuki

@FAE It's probably the running theme of every election.

Frank

@FAE That it was.

I had much more I could have put in there, and had been planning on.

FAE

Also, apologies if I missed anyone in there, as the election page doesn't keep track of people who withdrew during the first phase, and I haven't been out of bed very long.

Wipqozn

10:30 PM

@FAE You hit the ping limit too.

Yuki

@Wipqozn One would hope so.

If @FAE didn't hit the ping limit with that message, I'd be worried.

Frank

@FAE Yeah, the level of scrutiny was a bit off-putting.

FAE

@Wipqozn I can't remember what that is right now.

Ullallulloo

Many thanks to @ronnie for subjecting himself to and enduring the stress of an election and the publicity that comes with it.

Wipqozn

@FAE Max number of people you can ping with one message. I think it's around 5.

FAE

10:32 PM

@Wipqozn I mean I know what it is, but not the limit off the top of my head. Forgot about it. See aforementioned message about just waking up.

Wipqozn

@FAE No. I refuse. REFUSE I SAY!

Frank

Anyways, yay, more free time! No need for me to be ~~polite~~ civil to everybody!

And now I can ignore @GnomeSlice again!

GnomeSlice

Not funny.

Wipqozn

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha, oh frank. I don't know why I found that so funny, but I did.

Frank

@GnomeSlice It's the only reason I unignored you, dude.

GnomeSlice

10:33 PM

@Frank I figured.

Has it been terrible?

Frank

@GnomeSlice Not particularly, no.

GnomeSlice

I see. Well, bye again, I guess.

Wipqozn

Keep on keeping on dude. Destroy everyones preconceptions that all Canadians are polite 110% of the time!

Frank

Then, we haven't really gone at site policy during the election phase.

Yuki

@Frank Well, saved as material for attack ads in the next election.

FAE

10:34 PM

@Frank Well, considering that mods are under that type of scrutiny all the time, it's probably fair for the candidates to know what kind of experiences they need to be prepared for. If they're not ready for that in the nomination phase, it's not unfair to conclude that they may not be ready for it in a moderator position.

Frank

@Yuki Personally, I think I'm too nice, sometimes.

Yuki

I'll be running a modern campaign next election! Attack ads, completely ignoring the issues, blatant corruption and bribery!

Lazers

0

Q: How do I update my StreetPass profile?

How do I update my character's StreetPass profile in Bravely Default?

bravely-default

Yuki

There shall be mud EVERYWHERE!

Now to come up with ridiculously offensive nicknames for all my possible opponents...

Wipqozn

@FAE Todays meta drama is a great example of that.

Ullallulloo

10:35 PM

@Yuki I can guess mine.

FAE

@Frank That's... not very nice.

GnomeSlice

@Arperum When you played star-twin over LAN, did you have to do anything special?

Yuki

@Ullallulloo Can you tell me? Because I'm horrible at coming up with offensive nicknames.

FAE

@Wipqozn I was asleep and missed it.

Fluttershy

@Yuki You stole my platform for the next elections! D:

@FAE Thank you. :)

Frank

10:37 PM

@FAE It was supposed to be a punchline. Guess it didn't work so well.

Ullallulloo

@ullallulloo ah damnit it's purple clippy

Tweeted by SirTapTap on January 16, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Wipqozn

@FAE I was working for it so I couldn't really get involved. It was pretty dramatastic though.

kalina

@FAE it was a fantastic misunderstanding where somebody had been vague rather than straight up about what they wanted me to do, and when I requested clarification it was like pouring fuel onto a fire

even I wasn't expecting a flashover like that

Arperum

@GnomeSlice Nope, nothing at all.

OrigamiRobot

@Yuki Poollalluloo

GnomeSlice

10:38 PM

@Arperum I'm trying to do it through hamachi with someone and it isn't working.

Arperum

@GnomeSlice No idea.

RedRiderX

@Ullallulloo You have 51 followers on Twitter!?

Nice.

FAE

@Frank I think the lack of tone in text hurt you here.

Yuki

... why are we talking airplane auto-pilots in my probability and statistics course?

Ullallulloo

@RedRiderX I have no idea why.

I don't ever post or even like Twitter.

RedRiderX

10:40 PM

@Ullallulloo Did you buy them?

Ullallulloo

>.> <.< >.>

shh

Yuki

Why do all of my courses this semester have this weird tendency to go off on wild tangents?

RedRiderX

oh whooops sorry let the cat out of the bag on that one

FAE

@kalina I see. Are things settled?

Arperum

@kalina is the default Gravatar a specific choice or some SE bug?

kalina

10:42 PM

@FAE yeah, somebody said the few words that needed saying without...

I can't word this in a way that is appropriate, I don't want to start a fire

yes it's sorted

FAE

No need for details if it's going to stir things up again, glad it's worked itself out.

Fluttershy

Vidya card question: ASUS R9 270, or Power Color 7870. Which is better?

Yuki

@Fluttershy Two midgets with an Etch-a-Sketch.

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy GnomeSlice

kalina

@Fluttershy tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1922577/…

Fluttershy

10:47 PM

@kalina I found something similar! Thanks. :)

Yuki

@Fluttershy So you're going with the two midgets and an Etch-a-Sketch? Smart choice.

Fluttershy

@Yuki It isn't for me. I'm satisfied with my video card. :P

Frank

Anyways, back to FF 14!

My playtime is going to drop precipitously in about a week.

Sterno

and the seal goes ow ow ow

Frank

Damn, @badp. You took a lot of flak on that declined comments meta post.

Props to sticking it out and handling it well.

badp

10:53 PM

@Frank What's the score on it now?

Frank

@badp +6

I gave it a helping hand.

badp

@Frank It helps that I was getting stuff done in the meantime so I didn't reply as much as I was doing it.

@Frank It was -4 shortly after posting.

Frank

@badp Yeah, I've had that happen, too.

kalina

@Sterno but there's one sound, that noone knows

Mana

noone

kalina

10:55 PM

noone

RedRiderX

noone?

Are you sure?

yes

Wow

absolutely

need webcam. daughter is dancing on my lap to it right now

kalina

10:56 PM

World of Warcraft/Doge has nothing to do this

@Sterno dammit, fine, I'll watch it too

Sterno

Youtube ads make toddler furious

kalina

the problem is, I watched the youtube rewind before I watched what does the fox say

so whenever I hear the intro, I think I've started the wrong video

badp

Top popular ballots:

1. LPMF, Strix, Fredley
2. LPMF, fredley, Strix
3. LPMF, fredley, Wipq
3. fredley, LPMF, Strix
5. LPMF
5. LPMF, fredley, Frank
5. LPMF, Ashley, fredley
5. fredley, Strix, LPMF

3ventic

Yay for working quiet hours function

That is all. Night

kalina

@3ventic sarcasm?

@3ventic night

3ventic

10:58 PM

No

badp

@3ventic Late night is so good for working

kalina