The Bridge

StrixVaria

6:00 PM

Huh. Someone else withdrew from the race.

Oh, there's the snow that's going to really start accumulating.

kalina

@StrixVaria :o

spugsley

@StrixVaria It was me

@spugsley withdrew?

yes

@spugsley Ohh ok.

6:01 PM

@spugsley Y U DO?

You were the frontrunner! You're Internet Famous!

spugsley

Someone said a mean comment earlier and I realized I wasn't ready. I think I'm going to focus on more meta involvement this coming year. And just hang out with you amazing people who I love like family <3

kalina

<3

3ventic

@Yuki lol

Yuki

@spugsley I think I might need to pay a neighborly visit to this someone... I might even bring a nice "housewarming" gift.

Questions are okay, but there's no call for being meab.

spugsley

@Yuki haha :) yeah he had a good point but said it in such an agressive way. I was like...I have no idea how to respond to this. I would be a terrible mod

Tim Stone

6:07 PM

REAPER!

user15026

@spugsley hugs

Tim Stone

Woah now, who was being meab to @spugsley?

Krazer

@spugsley "Sticks and stones will my break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

FAE

@Krazer Yeah, I wish it worked that way.

Krazer

@TimStone We'll shun the heretic! SHUNNNN~

Kevin van der Velden

6:09 PM

@TimStone wait, it's physically possible to be meab to @spugsley?

user15026

@Krazer Yeah, that is a very very untrue thing.

Kevin van der Velden

I had no idea that was a thing, that should not be a thing =[

Yuki

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but anyone who's meab to @spugsley needs to... be paid a 'visit'."

LessPop_MoreFizz

This is a lot of snow.

Krazer

@KevinvanderVelden Who would ever do such an unspeakable thing?!

user15026

6:10 PM

Steam just updated and now is like "There is a problem with your install, please reinstall steam"

Krazer

@LessPop_MoreFizz Get some syrup and have a snowcone buffet~

user15026

It was fine before then.

spugsley

It wasn't someone who I recognized. Must not come on chat. He essentially compared me to all other canidates and said that I was worse than "even Wandang" and that I "only wanted a diamond and had no intention of moderating".

Krazer

@AshleyNunn Steam itself can be easily reinstalled; the game files are separate from the Steam client itself, so you don't need t dl them again

@spugsley He's just bitter that you're so World Famous. Pay him no mind!

user15026

@Krazer Yeah, I know, I am just annoyed that I have to do it because it broke itself.

spugsley

6:13 PM

and that's fine. I realize I'm not as active on meta as I should be. Others had said it with more tact like @Sterno. But I give zero shits about a diamond. I care about you guys. I've seen situations on here where if a mod had been present they may not have escalated so quickly and wouldn't have upset or offended people to the point of logging off chat for hours to cool down. It's happened to me. That's what I care about :/

Frank

@spugsley Was that...Matthew Read? I thought I saw something there that he said.

Yuki

@spugsley Okay, I might need to bring my... "friend" with me when paying this visit.

spugsley

@Frank yeah. Like I said, he had a good point. Really, the same point as Sterno, but just not said nicely

Krazer

@spugsley that's what room ownership is for

FAE

@spugsley To be fair, he didn't say that you were worse than Wandang, he said your Meta activity was worse.

Frank

6:14 PM

@Krazer And why the MH3U is in gallery mode.

Because it was created at the same time as some of that stuff was going down.

Krazer

@Frank I've been meaning to ask the story behind that

LessPop_MoreFizz

@spugsley you didn't articulate this anywhere near this well in your declaration. Which is what prompts the "do you just want the diamond?"

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz I thought I did okay given the character limit.

Frank

@Krazer It was essentially to ensure it didn't become exactly like the Bridge, since it was being disrupted by entities.

spugsley

it doesn't matter

there are people running who I love and think would be the best mods and that's what important :)

user15026

6:16 PM

@spugsley you are such a sweetheart.

FAE

...well then @ flag

Yuki

@flag People are so weird.

Lazers

0

Q: Why does Origin break everything?

I keep trying to sign into my Origin account while playing Tapped Out, but I keep having the same problem. If I play without the Origin login, everything works amazingly. If I sign into my Origin account, I just get server error after server error, and it just refuses to connect to the server ...

FAE

@Lazers Because it sucks.

spugsley

lol

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:18 PM

@spugs yeah the chat limit is an absolute killer.

user15026

@FAE amen to that.

MBraedley

I don't often star messages from @Lazers...

Frank

@Lazers Already has a close vote.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz I think she meant the character limit for nominating.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Besides, if you think you've gotten nasty comments, you should see the ones that aren't showing up yet on mine.

@fae so did I. Autocorrect fail.

kalina

6:19 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz if you want blunt aggression...

Tim Stone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Best worst bug.

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz They're still broken? :(

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz Haha, I saw some of those (before they disappeared). Wasn't there something about wanting to be a dictator or something?

Wandang

i hereby withdraw from election

user15026

Mine seem to be all there, but then again, would I know? :P

FAE

6:20 PM

@AshleyNunn You'd get notices, but they wouldn't actually show up on the nomination page.

user15026

@FAE True. I think everything of mine is there, based on me remembering things.

3ventic

Am I crazy or does Steam finally let you be logged into two computers at the same time.. yay!

Tweeted by garrynewman on January 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM

FAE

We'll be going straight to Election phase then, if we don't currently get any more candidates.

Yuki

@FAE I nominate... is @GnomeSlice running?

user15026

@FAE We still have days yet :)

badp

6:22 PM

@3ventic well, duh. Game streaming.

Arperum

@Yuki Nope, and he isn't planning.

Sterno

Looking at older elections, it seems like nominations used to have a larger text limit

MBraedley

@spugsley you withdrew too? :(

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz really I don't think anyone should accuse any of the candidates of just running for a diamond. I'm sure everyone has different reasons but I really don't think that's one of them

3ventic

@badp Yeah, I already knew that.

user15026

6:22 PM

@Sterno Yeah, I think they did.

Yuki

My goal for this election: Get @Frank and @GnomeSlice elected as mods just because that'd be hilariously funny.

5

FAE

@AshleyNunn Indeed.

spugsley

@MBraedley yes. I'm going to focus on participating more on site and on meta. I'm really active in here and you guys know me but no one out there does

user15026

@spugsley That just bugs me because it undermines anything you would have said in your nomination.

Frank

@Yuki Oi.

FAE

6:23 PM

@Sterno Yeah they did.

spugsley

@AshleyNunn anyone's nomination. No one is saying "I WANT TO BE MAD WITH POWERRRRR"

Yuki

That's weird. The starlist is showing 3 stars for my previous message, but only 2 next to it.

FAE

@spugsley That's a lie, @Less_Pop did!

Tim Stone

@spugsley It's true, I want to be drunk with power.

Yuki

Tim Stone

6:24 PM

A very important distinction.

@Yuki Yeah that happens sometimes.

MBraedley

spugsley

@FAE hahaha :) Nope. I don't even think he is. He's just more interested in being present and I can absolutely understand that

Sterno

I want power, but I do not enjoy being drunk.

Frank

I already unignored him, so I can answer any questions he has about modship.

Sterno

Tipsy with power, maybe.

Wandang

6:25 PM

@spugsley same here. guess i never had a real chance anyway. gonna try to meta up

spugsley

@Wandang me too :)

user4704

@spugsley I do!

Sterno

I firmly believe that a user can enact greater change (or ensure things they like stay the same) by participating on meta rather than by becoming a mod.

LessPop_MoreFizz

If you check the responses tab on your profile you can see all comments that have been left.

user15026

Hot damn, I have never gotten close votes for "unclear what you are asking" before.

spugsley

6:27 PM

@Sterno I agree :) When you said that, the way you said it made a lot of sense to me. So thank you :)

FAE

@Sterno Indeed. Again, see @Less_Pop.

user15026

Not my fault that the game tells you nothing. :(

Wandang

@Sterno we will see

LessPop_MoreFizz

@sterno this is why I didn't run in the past.

Wandang

since i guess i will be flagged there too

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:27 PM

I'm of the opinion that I've done what I can in that arena however. Time for new challenges.

Fluttershy

Hullo all.

Sterno

@Wandang Where were you flagged?

user15026

@Sterno Yeah, active change usually comes from grassroots meta stuff.

Sterno

@LessPop_MoreFizz Whenever you say that, I imagine a mod gladiator arena.

Wandang

@Sterno not important

user15026

6:28 PM

@Wandang Then perhaps you should not bring it up.

FAE

@Sterno This would be amazing.

Sterno

@Wandang Then why are you bringing it up? You can't just dangle potential drama in front of me like that.

Frank

@Sterno Sure we can!

Sterno

It's not nice to taunt your elders.

Frank

That's why it's fun to tease you!

Wandang

6:28 PM

@Sterno but i like to make your tummy go tutut

user15026

@Sterno I assume you mean like roman gladiators, but I totally imagine that American Gladiators show

FAE

@AshleyNunn My sister and I used to use swim noodles and stand on a log and pretend we were fighting like American Gladiators.

RedRiderX

@AshleyNunn I don't know which would be better.

spugsley

Hey guys, I have a question.

so when a question is closed as a dupe

Wandang

@spugsley shoot

user15026

6:29 PM

@FAE Awesome :D

Sterno

spugsley

and it's a new user who asked it

should we say something?

Wandang

sure you should welcome him to the site

Sterno

@AshleyNunn Yeah, I was thinking blood and sweat and tears

Mostly tears.

Wandang

and tell him to search first

RedRiderX

6:30 PM

Yeah they get some auto explanation when it's closed but you can give them one too.

Wandang

so he knows why it is closed exactly

user15026

@spugsley It might be nice to point it out, in case tehy dont see the comments that are generated.

FAE

@AshleyNunn Those should go to their notification box though, neh?

spugsley

it's happened a few times over the past couple of days and I noticed that no one has said anything. I figured it would be good to let them know there's a search option and just...be nice?

Sterno

I disagree with telling them to search first. It's pointless advice. It's like telling someone who just burned their hand on the stove to not touch it when it's hot. It doesn't educate them... they either just learned that lesson or they didn't. It just rubs it in.

Wandang

6:31 PM

@spugsley or delete their account evil laugh

spugsley

@Sterno then what do you think should be said?

Yuki

@AshleyNunn @Sterno is remembering his first gladiator fight. I think he liked the guy with the trident.

user15026

@FAE Yeah, that's true.

Oak

@FAE my friend and I once raided the school gym and got skipping ropes, soft practice balls and large pool floaters, we used those to create flails and shields

spugsley

See....like this is something I'd like to talk about on the meta but I get very intimidated by going there O_o

Sterno

6:31 PM

"Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"

It sucks being old sometimes because people aren't likely to get old movie references.

spugsley

I don't want to start any arguments!

FAE

@Oak That's awesome.

Wandang

@spugsley thats what meta is for

Sterno

@spugsley Only about 1 out of 5 meta topics get heated. :P

spugsley

@Wandang it is but it doesn't and has never felt welcoming to me

FAE

6:32 PM

@spugsley You have to be willing and open to defend your position if you want to get involved on Meta.

Wandang

@spugsley more then chat because chat can get you bans

spugsley

@Wandang I've only been banned once and I deserved it :)

FAE

And like @Sterno said, most stuff doesn't get confrontational.

Unionhawk

You probably did :P

Wandang

all my stuff would i guess

spugsley

6:33 PM

@FAE is it not ok to just bring something up and see how people feel about it?

user15026

@spugsley I think pointing out it exists isnt a bad thing, a lot of people don't notice the tiny box. It's important though not to be a giant meanface about it, especially if people are new and dont know all of the bits of how things work. There are a lot of bits to remember and learn.

Sterno

Most of the confrontational stuff starts out that way, and is a result of "WHY DID YOU CLOSE MY QUESTION YOU JERKS?"

Oak

@FAE it was! The rest of our friends were playing basketball in the background, what a waste of time

user15026

@Wandang You can actually get banned anywhere.

user15026

@FAE Unless you aren't taking an active position, which is a possible stance.

FAE

6:34 PM

@spugsley Yeah, that's fine, but you still have to accept the fact that it might devolve into a heated discussion whether it was your intention or not.

Wandang

**You** can actually get banned anywhere.
fixed

damnit

Sterno

And don't feel bad about meta downvotes. Voting works differently there. It might not be that they hate your idea... they might hate you.

user15026

@Wandang You're not special. Anyone can get banned anywhere.

Wandang

doesnt work

@AshleyNunn :(

FAE

@AshleyNunn Aye.

Yuki

6:34 PM

@Wandang Markdown doesn't work on multi-line messages.

I feel like that should pinned somewhere.

user15026

@Wandang There is markdown help someplace. I think if you click the little help link.

spugsley

@Sterno ....O-o

Sterno

@spugsley (joking)

(mostly)

user15026

@Wandang I just don't want you to think we are following you and banning you unfairly.

user15026

WTB working "f" key.

Wandang

6:35 PM

@AshleyNunn wow, much glowing, such picture

Yuki

@AshleyNunn Good, throw him off the trail.

FAE

@spugsley Did you miss the whole "be nicer" movement here?

Powerlord

Ugh, I shouldn't read Meta.

Sterno

42

Q: Let's be nice to each other

As a moderator, I'm often staring at a list of the most offensive content currently available on the site. I keep seeing certain patterns emerge, and I think these patterns are potentially dangerous. At least once a day, I see a comment chain that looks like: User1: (unconstructive critici...

discussion chat comments

user15026

@Sterno But we had posts about being nice!

Wandang

6:36 PM

@AshleyNunn i dont think that at all

but at some points i feel treated differently then kalina

thats all

kalina

@Wandang how so?

what actions do we both take that result in differing actions against us?

FAE

We also have the whole "new user experience" discussion

35

Q: What about the new user experience here is turning people away?

This is a case of straw that broke the camels back, in general I have found the community here to be very unwelcoming compared to other SE communities and the restrictions on question types seem to restrict them purely to things I could answer with a google/wiki/GameFAQs.com search ins...

discussion new-user

Powerlord

because when I do, I see answers like Yuki's to the "Cheats as an answer" question and want to shout "Then maybe you should actually stick to answering questions about games you're familiar with!"

Wandang

@kalina we already had that and you apologized

user15026

@Wandang well, generally, we aren't going to treat everyone 100% the same, being, well, all different people with differing opinions and personalities and junk.

user15026

6:37 PM

@Wandang Then why re you bringing it up?

kalina

@Wandang so why did you feel the need to bring it up again?

Wandang

what is with all the "bring it up" oO

user15026

@Wandang because you keep making vague references to things and then we ask you more and you say you essentially dont want to talk about it, which is confusing.

kalina

It's an honest question, if the issue was fully resolved you wouldn't feel the need to mention it, if you tell us how you feel you're treated differently, something can be done about it

Fluttershy

@Sterno Given @LessPop_MoreFizz's declaration, I wish this was named "Be excellent to each other" instead.

Sterno

6:38 PM

@Powerlord So your position is that cheats should be flagged as NAA if and only if there is some other non-cheat answer that is viable?

Ben Brocka

Have these hilariously fake "Nintendo fusion" specs been shared yet?

user15026

We basically are making sure there isn't still an issue we need to fix.

Sterno

@Fluttershy Righteous!

Wandang

@AshleyNunn it already was fixed i was just giving an example from the past that was cleared afterall

kalina

@AshleyNunn you and I approach these discussions in such a similar fashion

Michel

6:40 PM

Yoo

Wandang

sry if i shouldnt talk about pasts

Michel

Nice to be back ^.^

FAE

@Michel Welcome back, how's it going?

Wandang

the only thing that wasnt fixed was the slaying game where i lost 100 points

spugsley

@Michel hi :)

kalina

6:40 PM

@Wandang The problem is, you didn't provide an example, you made a passing reference to some incident

Wandang

but i will open a meta for that soon

Michel

@StrixVaria Congratz on the marriage! (And my vote is yours)

user15026

@kalina Get out of my head!

kalina

@AshleyNunn <3

Wandang

@kalina i did not want to bring it up . thats the point. making a reference for you to understand since you were a part of it

Michel

6:41 PM

@FAE Changed Job, City AND relationship ... no big ... :P

@Michel Hey!

@Michel Thanks!

and no one else

@Michel Wow. Weren't you engaged? :/

Michel

@spugsley Hi ^.^ Tks for the welcome "hi"

user15026

6:41 PM

@Wandang But the thing is, we are all here and looking at it, so it is natural those who do not understand will have questions.

Yuki

@Powerlord Wait, I answer questions about games I'm not familiar with? I'll admit that might have happened once or twice, but I don't think it's a habit.

user15026

That's part of it being a public chat.

Frank

I thought you were my deputy! :(

Wandang

@AshleyNunn i wanted to make it like a wink to kalina, nothing more. not for all

kalina

@Wandang Ok, but you didn't provide me any information about anything, you merely said at some point in the past something happened. Let's drop this since it's not going to go anywhere without us being provided more information, unless of course you want to provide more information

user15026

6:42 PM

@Michel Hello! Been a while since you've been about!

user15026

@Wandang That's unfortunately not how chat works.

Powerlord

> How do we know when "there is no other way"? Like our problem with lore, that implies that we need to paradoxically know the answer before we know there's an answer.

You'd know the answer by being familiar enough with the game to know there's a non-cheat answer.

Wandang

@kalina if it makes it more clear to you: the thing where you posted a spam and i quoted the spam containing slur words

you said yourself you should not have oneboxed that

thats all

3ventic

@Powerlord There are games where this is impossible.

Michel

@FAE I was married for 6 years. She dump me for another guy (this is when I stopped come to arqade), I had to move out of her house, find another job (I quite my to spend more time with her... (I'm ashamed, But I was desperate at the time).

kalina

6:43 PM

@Wandang oh right, this was explained at the time - yeah I should have wrapped it up as a link but I didn't personally say anything wrong, while you - quoting - did.

The thing is, you didn't just quote, you then also made a dodgy comment about the quote

FAE

@Michel I'm so sorry to hear all of that. I hope things are going better for you and I wish you all the best.

Michel

@AshleyNunn Busy busy xD~

Wandang

@kalina just because i thought taking quotes from chat is allowed to make fun of

kalina

@Michel oh, this sounds like you've had a pretty rough time - I had wondered where you had gone

@Michel are you doing ok now?

spugsley

dumb question about formatting.....anyone?

Yuki

6:44 PM

@Powerlord So... you're not directing that yelling to me? I was confused by the wording your message. Actually, I kinda still am.

kalina

@spugsley 'sup?

spugsley

if I want to link to a question how do I make it look all pretty?

user15026

@Michel Sounds like! :)

spugsley

rather than just a link

Wandang

just onebox it

Sterno

6:45 PM

@Yuki Don't argue with the guy who doesn't have an account. Particularly over the issue he deleted his account over.

kalina

@spugsley in chat, or in a post?

Wandang

just post the link and send it

spugsley

in a post

Michel

@FAE Thanks for your concern. Things were going great (besides my last job that was hell (12~15h work 7/7...) now I moved for another city and changed my job. Let's hope (and work for it) that things get as good as possible

Unionhawk

In chat or on main/meta?

Wandang

6:45 PM

oh sry, thought u mean chat

Yuki

@Sterno I just want to know if I'm doing something wrong.

Unionhawk

Dammit internet

kalina

If the link is to a Stack Exchange post, simply pasting the link in should work

Sterno

@Yuki You aren't.

Frank

@Michel Good to hear you're doing better, dude!

spugsley

6:45 PM

@Michel that's nice :)

kalina

if not, you can do [The text you want](http://thelinkyouneed.com)

Unionhawk

STOP MAKING EVERYONE INB4 ME INTERNET

spugsley

@kalina oh excellent :) I thought people had magical formatting powers

Michel

@kalina My history IS really sad... I can tell you if you want, I don't mind... but usually people don't want to hear/read sad long stories ^.^

FAE

@Michel I'm glad to hear. :)

Yuki

6:46 PM

@Sterno Okay, that's good. Being wrong doesn't feel nice.

Powerlord

@3ventic In that case, you may be familiar enough with the game to know there's no other way.

user15026

@spugsley Nah, there is some behind the scenes magic.

spugsley

@Michel we are pretty awesome at listening here :)

Michel

xD

kalina

@Michel if you want to, sure, go for it

Michel

6:46 PM

@spugsley Thanks

spugsley

@AshleyNunn that's the best kind of magic for people like me who are internet lacking

user15026

@Michel I hope things get more awesome for you :)

Michel

@kalina Ok

@AshleyNunn They are Thanks Ashley ^.^

Unionhawk

Okay, related formatting question: how do I explain formatting to people without just doing the formatting? (escape character, or whatever)

Arperum

@Unionhawk Backticks I think.

3ventic

6:49 PM

backticks or \ should do the trick..

Sterno

@Unionhawk Trying to answer this is so meta!

user15026

@Michel No problem. :)

FAE

@spugsley If you're writing up something in regards to comments when closing, etc., I'd just make sure your question isn't a dupe of stuff we've already covered in the posts that Sterno and I linked.

Sterno

Or the 12 other posts about that.

I'm pretty awesome at asking dupes on meta.

Jason Berkan

@Sterno At this point, there isn't much that isn't already on meta.

kalina

6:51 PM

@Unionhawk I use backticks

FEichinger

@Unionhawk Backticks, yes. Anything that applies code formatting, really.

Unionhawk

Oic

Dear my internet: STOP BEING TERRIBLE. <3 @Uni

spugsley

@FAE I'm searching now. So far I don't see anything that exactly covers this

and now I'm far enough back (2012) that I feel it probably needs to be brought up again even if has been asked. Still don't see anything though

LessPop_MoreFizz

Huh. Grubhub now gives me discounts for referring friends.

This doesn't make up for killing Yummy Rummy, but it's a start.

Sterno

@spugsley Not too many dupes actually get closed as such unless they're either recent dupes, or the old one had really good answers that are still relevant

spugsley

6:55 PM

@Sterno that's not my point.

Sterno

@spugsley I thought that was relevant to your "it probably needs to be brought up again" point

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Michel Oh wow blast from the past.

spugsley

my point is communicating with new users who ask dupes because they could potentially be great for the community. I think it needs to go beyond the pre-filled "this is a duplicate" text

and I'd like to see what others think

IS THIS HOW TO META I DON'T KNOW

Sterno

Yes.

spugsley

<3

Unionhawk

6:57 PM

This is my understanding of how to meta too.

OrigamiRobot

3<

Fluttershy

<4

Frank

@spugsley And that's a good question, too.

spugsley

@Frank well I am making my first meta post :) about this yay me

Sterno

@Fluttershy I'm not sure how I feel about you stealing ronnie's platform.

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:58 PM

@spugsley I don't think it's incumbent on anyone to do that, but I also don't think it's harmful. The beauty of dupe closure is that it functions as "Hey, this has already been answered over here."

Fluttershy

@Sterno I'm not stealing it. I'm honoring his legacy.

spugsley

@LessPop_MoreFizz and you're welcome to voice that opinion ON MY META POST

LessPop_MoreFizz

If, at the end of the day, our goal is to solve peoples problems and answer their questions, the current process accomplishes that admirably.

spugsley

sorry, I'm just excited

because I'm going to figure out how to do this this year

without being scared

Frank

Well, this is going to suck.