The Bridge

kalina

3:00 PM

there is no tried and true method

Retrosaur

@Fluttershy LessPop is here to blame

kalina

some people write punchy comedy and that attracts people

Retrosaur

Wait, I lied

@RavenDreamer did that

kalina

titles with puns, minecraft questions, etc

Fluttershy

@Retrosaur LessPop didn't do anything other than what Raven did. If it's anyone's fault, it was yours for not asking more clearly.

Retrosaur

3:01 PM

@Fluttershy I noticed that, apologies @LessPop_MoreFizz

kalina

let's not have another day of drama

Ullallulloo

@Fluttershy He changed all instances of "great" into "hot". "Hot" pretty clearly refers almost exclusively to the super collider, whereas great just means a good question.

kalina

ultimately, to write the best questions possible, give it an intelligent and catchy title to attract people in, make sure the question contains all of the information you feel is pertinent and provide images with freehand circles where required

keep it all on topic and fill it with puns

guaranteed repcap

just don't exact one line questions about a game that only you play to do so well

Fluttershy

> You know, the questions that appear occasionally on the super drop-down collider

kalina

ultimately though, it's about getting answers, not reputation

Retrosaur

3:03 PM

@Fluttershy on the super drop-down collider, or questions that seem to garner a considerable amount of votes.

Fluttershy

@Ullallulloo The question was already pretty clearly pointing at that.

@Retrosaur That wasn't in your original question.

kalina

@Retrosaur your answer is up there ^

all them things I said

Ullallulloo

@Fluttershy When I first read it, I understood what he meant pretty easily.

Martin Sojka

@Retrosaur I typically ask the questions as wordy as I need to to make them precise, while avoiding game-specific jargon (though not gaming-specific jargon) or at least explaining it when I use it so that the intent and scope of the question is understandable even for those people who don't know the game. On the second pass, I add in illustrations (for example, portraits of the character if the question is about the character or something typical for that character), general

Fluttershy

Basically, what it comes down to is this: You asked a duplicate question, it got closed, you changed the intent of the question, and then asked why it got closed.

Martin Sojka

3:06 PM

... optimisation for search engines and internalisation, and formatting (for example, adding headings or splitting off "introduction" from "main body" by horizontal lines).

Fluttershy

That's how I read it at least. It could just be my crappy mood today.

kalina

@Fluttershy you are in a crappy mood today.

...also, Fluttershy for mod

Retrosaur

@MartinSojka Thanks for the advice! You could put that as an answer, once it gets reopened!

Ullallulloo

@Fluttershy Doesn't that pretty clearly mean that it's not exclusively referring to those though?

StrixVaria

I don't want to be mod because then I would have to un-ignore and deal with certain people.

kalina

3:07 PM

@Retrosaur you thank him but not me?

fine! I won't waste any more words on you!

HMPF

Retrosaur

@kalina Oh, I thought you hated me ;_;

Sorreh

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria And you can't cast normal close votes.

Retrosaur

Apologies on this part.

kalina

@Retrosaur I do, I still helped

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I would have mod close votes, though.

Retrosaur

3:08 PM

Regardless, thank you @kalina. Your brave, valiant efforts are only matched by the efforts of @Ullallulloo and friends!

Wait, I made that a tad too dramatic

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Which you wouldn't be allowed to use most of the time.

Fluttershy

@Ullallulloo It does now. Because of that single extra line of added intent.

kalina

@StrixVaria I don't want to be a mod because then I wouldn't be able to vtc or vtd without fully committing to my choice

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot "allowed"

murgatroid99

@Retrosaur I honestly think your question is basically just asking how to get people to be interested in your writing, and is kind of pointless to ask here

Sconibulus

3:09 PM

@kalina that always struck me as a not-good thing

Mods should have a regular vote button, and a super vote button

kalina

@Sconibulus what, me having power to nuke stuff? Yeah... not a good thing

Ullallulloo

@Fluttershy That was in the original question though...

Sconibulus

@kalina As long as I've launched my colony ship, you can have all the nukes you want :)

kalina

I might go for mod on movies & tv if it ever gets out of beta though

badp

@Retrosaur there you have it.

Retrosaur

3:10 PM

Thanks everyone!

Mad Scientist

@Sconibulus As a mod I only close when I'm sure, I don't see the lack of a non-mod close as a bad thing

badp

@MadScientist would you see its presence as a bad thing too?

Sconibulus

@MadScientist There haven't been cases where you would vote as a user, but don't because you're a mod and you're not convinced the question is that bad?

In my mind, it takes a much worse question to unilaterally close than it would to close vote

Mad Scientist

@badp I think it would cause more problems and more arguments if this was added

badp

@MadScientist In a way they already exist

Mad Scientist

3:13 PM

@Sconibulus I don't intervene in borderline cases as a a mod, unless the whole thing derails

kalina

@Sconibulus I agree

Martin Sojka

@Retrosaur I could, but then it would miss the point of your question. It's not a way to write a question to appear on the "Great Questions" list. It's just a way I try to use to write my own questions so that they are accessible and useful.

M'vy

@Sconibulus the mod is here to take immediate actions when necessary

badp

the choice between "close" and "super-close" is the same choice as the one between "wait" and "super-close"

M'vy

The community can deal with the rest

Retrosaur

3:14 PM

@MartinSojka Ah, okay. So short and concise, making it useful for everyone, not try to be a repwhore and gain upvotes. I'll take that advice :3

Ullallulloo

@M'vy They're suggesting to let the mods be a part of the community though, and not act like a mod all of the time.

Sconibulus

@M'vy Right, I get that. But why does a mod lose his ability to be a member of the community?

badp

@MadScientist okay, but what if I find a comment that I find personally over the line but I don't feel strongly about it enough to one-click nuke it?

or a post, or a chat line, or anything

Why don't I get to put it for others to peer review?

M'vy

@badp don't mods have mod-chat or something?

Martin Sojka

@badp Because you get paid?

badp

3:15 PM

...yes, so? Why exclude the other 10kers from the discussion?

@MartinSojka HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA no.

FAE

@MartinSojka ...wha?

Martin Sojka

@badp I thought so.

Mad Scientist

One positive aspect of the lack of a non-mod vote is that it emphasizes that mod decisions are always binding and that mods should be sure about their decision before acting.

@badp Comments are expendable, "personally over the line" is enough justification to nuke an entire conversation

Arda Xi

@badp What about former 10kers?

Martin Sojka

In any case, I think mods should get to use special "mod accounts" or have a "mod account mode" separate from the main account. Just like we tend to use special "mod voice" (typically red bold lettering) on forums to make sure others don't confuse our private opinions with our mod activity.

kalina

3:19 PM

@ArdaXi YOU DON'T COUNT

badp

@ArdaXi Are former 10kers 10kers?

kalina

your account has no power

Arda Xi

@kalina oh ok

I feel better now.

kalina

good

Fluttershy

@Ullallulloo The line about the super whatever was. Yes. The line after it was not. The added line was what caused the change of intent when I read it.

Arda Xi

3:19 PM

@kalina ♥

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@ArdaXi <3

violins

@badp so mature

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