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@pixel which apps page are you talking about?

@agent86 gaming.stackexchange.com/users/apps/<userid>;

@badp Good luck with that. One member of the RUGC Midwest community was complaining about wildly inconsistent framerates in Linux TF2.

@agent86 click your name (top banner) > apps

that one

is that because I added the app <at some point> and you've since moved it?

@pixel ah, I think I remember where that's set. Let me see if I can fix it.

5:02 PM

kk

@pixel ok, I think I fixed it. I don't know how long it takes to replicate that info though.

seemed to be immediate here, though

@agent86 seemingly instant

@pixel Huh, somehow I never noticed this page.

there's like... 3 different places where you put metadata about your app - one is in the question, one is in the question header and the third is in a special "api key" page

@GraceNote I click stuff, it breaks, I'm product testing's worst nightmare incarnate

5:04 PM

I just accidently a part of the path in the third one

@pixel That sounds like the best thing a QA department can ask for.

@GraceNote QA department at my current job hates me

@Powerlord Oh I fully expect disastrous results, but mostly due to my GPU

You'll be a nightmare for the developers, sure, but the product testing department prefers people who find the absolute stupidest ways to break things. At least, from my experience.

because they release their shiny new build and I reject installing it on a customer site because of <list of issues>

5:05 PM

That sounds like you have an unscrupulous QA department.

@GraceNote our PQA department takes it as a criticism of their work because they didn't find it

Perhaps they should add you to the department.

I refuse to work in any such job

I see that as a demotion from 'support'

You do it anyway!

and I refuse to do that either

5:07 PM

@GraceNote I hate QA that goes to unreasonable lengths to break my code.

"If I press this button, dance a jig, smash my head on the keyboard, it brings up this error message"

@fbueckert I go to unreasonable lengths to break my own code

@fbueckert your definition of unreasonable in this case is broken, we've had this discussion before :p

If it's breakable, you missed something... end of

the way my boss says "cloud" is funny. like "clowd" but you can also hear the quotes.

@pixel No, it's, "I'm going FAR outside of reasonable data entry to see how the code handles it."

It's even past what the stupidest user would do.

I once got a defect that was "insert brick into <unit>. <unit> does not function"

5:08 PM

@fbueckert breakable is breakable

There's "robust", where it can withstand 99.5% of user entry.

response: "remove brick."

I'm pretty sure there's a cute blog entry from someone about how they actually outwitted a nightmare QA consultant who even went as far as inputting negative monetary values (to which they put a custom error message just for him).

And then there's, "It'll survive a nuclear holocaust."

@fbueckert and you should NEVER underestimate the stupidity of a user

5:09 PM

@pixel I don't.

I did tech support for two years.

And you've heard my horror stories about my last job.

@fbueckert maybe you should apply some of that tolerance to new users on here then :P

Sterno

Did I miss an argument? @GnomeSlice pinged me but now it seems over!

I did say these people were nightmares for developers. Even if it gets stuff unbroken, it doesn't make their job any pleasant.

although I think I told that story before, sigh.

@pixel No.

I've been in the trenches.

5:10 PM

@Wipqozn That's a stupid argument. Downvotes don't have to be explained.

@GraceNote this is why I would never do testing, ever... I am a creative person myself, and I see development as a creative process in the same way I do making music or painting

I'm lifting people OUT of the trench, not getting back into it.

@Fluttershy Yes.

but with software I am unrelentingly critical of developers not treating users correctly

@Sterno I think he wanted you to support his argument at the time.

5:11 PM

bah I can't make Steam for Linux give a shit about the fact I do have a Steam Backup for TF2 right here

It seems like it'd much rather redownload all 12 GB instead

the line "the user is doing it wrong" does not spell "user=stupid" to me, it spells "developer=stupid", for not considering that the user might try and do that

which is why @fbueckert and I disagree on software testing and end users

@pixel There's a line at which you can't smash all bugs.

The closer you get you get to 100% bug-free, the time and money spent getting closer increases exponentially.

You have to step back and go, "This is good enough."

nothing is bug free, but there are plenty of developers that will ask "why did the user do that?" -> "because you didn't stop them from doing it" and find that unreasonable

Which plays havoc with my mindset of, "No! Everything must work perfectly!"

Wow, my picture has already left the stars list, people have been busy.

5:14 PM

@RonanForman today has been one of those days :)

@pixel And I missed it? Awww.

@pixel Why am I always in the thick of it, I wonder?

I see my terminology question is still open, with people still down and up voting it

@pixel for now. :P

@fbueckert because like it or not, you're still just as dismissive of criticism as some others you complain about

you have a very solid "I'm right, go away" attitude at times

5:16 PM

@pixel Do I disregard your arguments? I'm honestly curious.

I try to address your points, even if I disagree with them.

@fbueckert I can't tell you if you dismiss my arguments, that's for you to answer. I can tell you it appears that way though

user15026

@powerlord :( not surprised shipping isn't cheaper, but it would have been nice! :)

@fbueckert and no, that's not because you downvoted me, it's just an observation :P

@pixel I honestly didn't think it was.

@fbueckert it's also not consistent, I'd reckon its probably when you're having a busy/bad day the most

since, later in the day you're much easier to discuss things with normally

5:19 PM

I like having a good argument, but I absolutely HATE it when someone goes, "I'm nitpicking this point in your argument, therefore the rest of your points are invalid."

also, it could just be me :)

So, I try not to do the same to anyone else.

@fbueckert no it's not like that

Morning all

@James Evening.

5:20 PM

@pixel To be fair, your workday ends when mine begins, so most of my long arguments will occur during your usual nighttimes.

It's more like "I disagree with you and there is nothing you can say that will even make me consider changing my stance" than "<this point>x100"

@RonanForman How goes Mr 8hrs ahead? :)

@fbueckert surely you've been at work hours by now :)

@James o/

@pixel Halfway through today. :P

@pixel \o

5:21 PM

It's Friday, though.

@fbueckert I just got home, and I've just lit a huge joint

@fbueckert I thought it was Saturday :(

@fbueckert gotta get down!

@pixel See, this, I'm alright with.

@James poor you

5:22 PM

I usually pull that out after, "Alright. We understand each other, we're not going to agree on this. Alrighty then."

@James Not bad... Just got back and am watching YT videos.

@pixel I've been stupid productive this entire week.

@RonanForman Uh oh.. are they from @Sterno? Cause ya know its friday right?

@James Thankfully not.

@James Oh, wow, it is. I don't think anyone's posted that yet

5:23 PM

@fbueckert still too hard on new users :P

Also looking at all the complaints for the new layout.

Mainly just the "I don't like change" ones though.

@SaintWacko nope, not once that I've seen

@SaintWacko I posted a picture earlier

@RonanForman Change is scary.

@OrigamiRobot how long until you're home?

@pixel Is there any reason you feel the need to announce to us when you are smoking pot?

5:26 PM

hmmm

@Fluttershy She's high at the time?

I'll go with @RonanForman's answer, but no, not really

Sterno

@James It's been weeks since I linked Rebecca Black. WEEKS

@Sterno I'm not sure if you realize this, but I've always imagined you look identical to Vault Boy.

Gwen

Does she even have a second song?

5:41 PM

@Sterno Hmmm I am pretty sure I saw one last week :P

2 3

@pixel I'm alright with that.

THERE

FAE

@Ullallulloo Markdown really didn't like you there.

@FAE Apparently you can't do links in multi-line messages.

5:46 PM

@fbueckert blah

user15026

I found a better song about it being Friday but it is country and thus I suspect would garner me a lot of hate.

Gwen

TGIF?

@AshleyNunn Good music is good regardless of what genre it comes from.

@AshleyNunn I like country more than most genres.

from today's Error'd

5:48 PM

@fbueckert That doesn't mean non-crispy

Sterno

@James Screenshot or it didn't happen

@OrigamiRobot Show me crispy bacon that still has the vast majority of it's taste left.

Because all I get out of crispy bacon is crunchiness.

@fbueckert Apparently you just haven't had good bacon.

Also, sidemeat > bacon

@pixel another hour or so

@Sterno I am honestly not that interested already :)

I am more interested in my SSDs arriving today, along with miscellaneous fans and such :)

user15026

Better Friday song

user15026

6:00 PM

@fbueckert Yeah, and that is not fun.

user15026

I demand my bacon still be tasty

@AshleyNunn Which it rarely is when it's crispy.

11 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert Apparently you just haven't had good bacon.

@OrigamiRobot Perhaps.

I sort of doubt that, though.

crispy != burnt

user15026

6:02 PM

@origamirobot define good bacon.

Good bacon should be slightly chewy.

@fbueckert Only the fat part.

user15026

@fbueckert yes. This.

Q: Do ESFs have different abilities?

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As a member of the Vanu Sovereignty, I know that the Scythe has a speed-boosting ability, but it looks like the TR Mosquito has some other ability. What's that do? I assume that the NC has a third?

planetside-2

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Q: Is there any way to tell that a Care Package is booby-trapped?

In Black Ops 2, the ability to booby trap a care package is available with Hacker Pro. Is there any visual clue or other way to tell that a care package has been booby trapped, if you're on the other team?

call-of-duty-black-ops-2

@AshleyNunn Sidenote: now that I own a whisk, the bananaberry pancakes turned out VERY well.

They were extremely filling, too.

6:04 PM

@fbueckert ... Now that you own a whisk.. Now?! The hell?

@James Expert at jury rigging needed equipment.

@James I only just bought silverware the other week.

It's amazing what you can do, even if you don't have the proper equipment.

@fbueckert Ya mean you used a fork until now?

@James Nope. Spoon.

6:05 PM

@fbueckert :O

@James I also fix things wrong with my house myself.

Like my vent stack getting plugged.

That was fun.

@fbueckert With a spoon? Impressive.

@OrigamiRobot Hah. No.

@fbueckert Too late. I already stored it in my memory banks.

@OrigamiRobot Fine. I'm the McGuyver of the house repair industry.

A spoon and duct tape is all you need.

6:07 PM

Noted.

Q: Map of all SE sites (except the 3 biggest)

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I've just made a map of all StackExchange sites, except for the 3 biggest ones: The graph is based on users with rep>=200 at a given site. Node size is related to number of such users. There is an edge between two sites if there are common users more often that one would expect on random, see...

discussion all-sites self-promotion site-promotion

size = 200+ rep users, connection = many users in common, color = nodes that have more connections within a group than without

In other words, users who are in Gaming are also into Workplace, Productivity, Fitness, Sports, Martial Arts.

@badp At least we're no where near math.se.

So, I just had lunch with the people that I was working with on a project a few months back. The manager asked me if I was interested in working on another... longer (1.5 year-long) project for them that starts in a few months.

@Powerlord That would mean doing actual work!

@pixel Change of plans. I am going to the store after work. It'll probably be about 3 hours till I can play.

user15026

6:22 PM

@fbueckert reading the Phoenix Unchained - "next you will tell me there used to be no Centaurs in the city!" wow, how things have changed :p

@badp game dev isn't listed under arts :(

@AshleyNunn Time will do that. :)

Is it odd that I am excited to get my hands on SSDs?

user15026

@fbueckert Aye, it's just fun to compare it.

I mean I have them in two laptops but this will be the first time I have had them just in my hands :)

user15026

6:23 PM

@James nope

@OrigamiRobot The clustering is automatic

@AshleyNunn Good :)

I like how that clusters programmers away from gamedev, webmasters, unix, security, dba, ...

@badp Technically, I did actual work today; fixing some of the bugs in our app that deal with the single signon system that suddenly got added to the requirements list.

@OrigamiRobot Where's arts?

6:24 PM

@Powerlord shock! horror!

@AshleyNunn Indeed.

Finished season 1 of Chuck yet?

Crap, that reminds me, I have other bugs to fix related to that. For whatever reason, our app is dumbly coded to redirect to the login page for a lot of different things.

Including any non-500 errors (which are almost always due to the app server throwing exceptions)

@Ullallulloo stackexchange.com/sites#arts

@badp ... someone had to make the distinction.

I also created a new 500 error page, since the old one looked nothing like our actual app pages... 'twas a temp error page that became permanent

@badp Dude, Those are some serious connection lines between SO, RPG, Security and UX all tied into Martial Arts.. Lesson to learn? Dont eff with Nerds :)

user15026

6:27 PM

@fbueckert not yet. :)

@James SO isn't even on the chart

user15026

@James its because we are all secretly ninjas

@badp META.SO is

SO is so large the guy couldn't grab the data he needed off the API

@AshleyNunn Shhhh! Don't give out secrets! :D

6:27 PM

@James I see you've missed the C++ Lounge drama :P

@badp Only other channel I visit from time to time is gamedev's chat

user15026

@James sorry. :p

@AshleyNunn :)

Q: How do I create a link to a specific portal on the Intel map?

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I want to share a url that links to a specific portal on the http://ingress.com/intel map. How can I do that?

ingress

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Q: Is there a way to open everything in my park at once?

I'm building a park in sandbox mode and it's so boring and takes forever to go around clicking each vendor and setting it to 'open'. Is there a shortcut for opening everything simultaneously?

roller-coaster-tycoon-3

@James Played with the new version of KSP yet?

6:34 PM

@fbueckert That I have not. I have however played a bit of the Wii U last night

@James Boo.

@AshleyNunn Star Command will be soft released in January, apparently.

@James Also, docking is freaking hard the first time you try it.

I can get a total mission time of under two hours now, though. Rocket go up, add fuel tanks, come home, all in time for lunch.

hey @badp, did you end up enjoying half minute hero: whatever blah blah steam edition?

it's on sale today, and I'm tempted.

@fbueckert I would imagine it is.. The lack of computer controlled navigation is annoying in KSP.

@agent86 The PSP version was pretty darn good, actually.

@agent86 You must put up with the fact that it's honestly a bad port but the game is enjoyable.

6:41 PM

@James There are now flight maneuvers.

Also you have to switch between graphic modes to play all game modes

Click on your flight path, and move icons around to denote burning at prograde, retrograde, normal, anti-normal, and two others I have no idea what they do.

I've gotten 40% through the main game and 100% in the dark lord game, theOOOOH SHINY

@badp like "really requires a controller" bad port, or "god, the bugs and slowdowns kill this game" bad port

@agent86 mostly an input thing

6:43 PM

And the HUD will point out how long until you get to that point, the heading you have to point at to get there, and the amount of burn you need to achieve your change.

oh, if you do plug in a controller, the on-screen messages still will display the default keyboard keybinds

@badp facepalm

You can technically rebind everything but... it's really the weakest part of the game

well, I'd probably play with a controller (either my bluetooth ps3 or a wired xbox 360) so that might not be as much a problem, although it seems like it still might be somewhat of a problem

@badp The port is awful, and the devs have basically said, "If you want half-minute hero two, more people need to buy the first one."

6:44 PM

►

This is the worst part of the game

If you can get around this then you'll be okay.

(and you should get it)

@badp So the menus blow but once you get in game its pretty kewl?

Aw dang... I fat-fingered a flag in the review queue earlier and now I'm stuck with a disputed flag. =(

@Fluttershy Disputed is not declined.

@OrigamiRobot But it isn't helpful either!

@Fluttershy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHA

6:51 PM

@Fluttershy Helpful flags are overrated, anyways. :P

@fbueckert Whatever you say, Marshal.

@Fluttershy I've flagged 300+ things since that badge.

@Wipqozn If you ever do a GW2 dungeon with me, I am going to make it my sole purpose to get you killed every pull.

All it does is get you in the habit of flagging stuff. :P

@Fluttershy I disagreed with a Not an Answer flag and the post was not deleted as Not an Answer, but my flag was still marked disputed.

6:53 PM

@Fluttershy My friend does a similiar thing when we play board games.

@Wipqozn I can understand why.

@OrigamiRobot It still sucks!

WTF YouTube why is the title below the video now? That's stupid.

@Fluttershy Meh, I know all my flags have been correct.

@InvaderSkoodge I think they said to make the video the most important thing on the page.

@Fluttershy He just likes to see me rage. I get very competitive when I play board games. Also, he usually loses.

6:57 PM

@RonanForman The title of the video is part of the video.

@badp Looked neat enough, snagged a copy of the game :)

@InvaderSkoodge Almost as stupid as the main page switching from showing videos of people you subscribed to (or subscribers other activity) to showing you videos based on what it thinks are your preferences.

Which also means that randomly following video links linked in chatrooms will influence your Youtube main page.

Wait it doesn't show you your subscriptions any more?

@InvaderSkoodge Not unless you click "My Subscriptions" on the left menu

@InvaderSkoodge It does, but at youtube.com/feed/subscriptions rather than youtube.com

7:03 PM

And I have to do that every time I hit the main page?

The main Youtube page is almost entirely useless now, and I suggest everyone who hates it click the Feedback link that appears in the bottom-right corner of every page.

@InvaderSkoodge Yeah.

@Powerlord IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!

YouTube is a bunch of idiots.

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Q: What makes up your story Tattoo?

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I just noticed that retrieving Relics sometimes add to your tattoo. I also know skills make your tattoo more elaborate. What unlocks parts of your tattoo? It also seems relics unlock a different part of your tattoo then skills. Extra credit if you know what unlocks each part.

far-cry-3

@InvaderSkoodge They're making youtube what it should (in their opinion) be used for rather than what it is used for.

7:07 PM

My iPod broke today.

On the anniversary of me getting it, actually.

@RavenDreamer Time to get a non-apple device!

@SaintWacko Well, I wasn't using it as an iPod as such.

I was using it as an alarm

But the touch screen broke today.

@RavenDreamer Time to get an alarm clock!

Doesn't register input

@RavenDreamer Which anniversary? First?

7:08 PM

@SaintWacko Yeah...

@Powerlord 6th or 7th.

It was an 8gb iTouch

I usually use my phone as my mp3 player

but I also have a Zune HD and a Sansa Clip

@SaintWacko Well, my new phone has yet to get here!

@RavenDreamer What kind of phone?

@SaintWacko Nexus 4

@RavenDreamer Ooh, let me know how it is!

7:10 PM

Demand > Supply for some time.

I was debating between that, the Optimus G, the One X+, and the SGS3

I got a 6-7 week shipping estimate

But then I got an opportunity to get the SGS3 for 96 cents, so I went with that

user15026

@saintwacko 96 cents?

There was a contract involved.

7:16 PM

I just spend a solid half day trying to fix an error message, and it turns out I've been bashing the wrong area of my code.

@fbueckert Whoops

@fbueckert High five! I know that feel, bro.

@AshleyNunn Yep, on contract

@RavenDreamer It's frustrating, because I haven't figured it out, and a relief, because, oh hey, I made I mistake. Lesson learned, move on.

It doesn't help that Sharepoint likes to barf on random occassions.

oh wow

Today's my last day at Google. In January I start a new job at Dropbox: https://tech.dropbox.com/2012/12/welcome-guido/

Tweeted by gvanrossum on December 7, 2012 at 7:05 PM

(He is the main mind behind Python)

7:23 PM

@badp Ah

Progress! Finally!

@fbueckert Always lovely when that happens.

user15026

@fbueckert yay progress!

Q: Which LOL champion has the lowest basic attack at level 18?

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Which League of Legends champion has the lowest basic attack damage at level 18? Any ideas?

league-of-legends

0

Q: How do I find trustworthy players in EVE Online

I see alot of stuff about scamming in EVE and how it's allowed by the developers. How can I find trustworthy people to play with? Secondly why do they allow this sort of griefing activity that would get you a rapid ban in other games?

eve-online

@James Just accept the default keybinds and avoid Princess 30 and you'll be fine :)

7:40 PM

@badp Princess 30?

@James There are multiple game modes

@badp Ahh

The main one, the longest, is Hero 30

@badp And in my opinion, the best.

Likely, although I've only tried Hero 30, Princess 30 and Dark Lord 30

There's also Hero 3 but it's a single level AFAIK

and one Hero 300 level

What the hell is a Skald

oh, some kind of bard

bah, to launch TF2 I must have the shitty nVidia graphics drivers and put up with their shittier configuration utilities

7:56 PM

Question! A new GW2 question was asked relating to map completion in dungeons... It can be answered by my answer to another question, if I make a minor edit. That's what to do in this case, right?

Basically this answer, with the edit, answers this question.

<_< Anyone?

@Fluttershy That sounds like a subset of the question for your answer.

So yes, I believe your answer should answer that question.

Anyone who is disagreed with less often than @fbueckert? =P

@fbueckert I agree with you! Just poking fun. >_>

@Fluttershy It's all good.

@badp Not a surprise.

@Fluttershy If the two questions aren't dupes, I'd probably write up a short answer to the second that references your answer to the first.

8:04 PM

I hear Counter-Strike: Source will probably be getting a Linux version soon, too!!!

@Powerlord It iddn't stop me from trying

@Lazers Scrolling up a bit, this sounds like a bad subjective question to me

Q: How to kill a Zombie using blunt weapons?

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I can't figure how to quickly dispatch zombies using blunt weapons, it appears that there is no way to tell if your hitting them in the head. Hitting them in the head is supposed to kill them faster, it would be nice to use that technique with each hit. Any good tips for braining a zombie?

warz

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Q: Does World Completion Title includes Dungeons?

Does the "World Completion" achievement and title includes the points of interest (Waypoints and Pois) inside dungeons or just WvW / Open World Points ?

guild-wars-2

user15026

@fbueckert I am seriously tempted to make pancakes for dinner tonight.

@AshleyNunn I have leftovers. :P

Made a double-batch.

user15026

8:08 PM

@fbueckert that doesn't help me any ;)

user15026

Also, did I mention your pancakes sounded amazing?

@AshleyNunn I had pancakes for dinner recently. it was good. I can recommend this.

@agent86 But the answer would just be "As stated in [this answer], no. Dungeons do not count."

user15026

@agent86 I do love having breakfast for dinner.

Oops. I just answerd it.

8:10 PM

@AshleyNunn it's kind of hard to beat brinner.

Scumbag @RavenDreamer. Beat me to the answer by 4 seconds! I shouldn't have wasted all that time considering whether or not it was actually a duplicate.

Krazer

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@RavenDreamer And you didn't even link to my answer! <_<

@AshleyNunn shhhhh the pancake police is watching

user15026

@agent86 this is a very true thing.

8:11 PM

@Fluttershy yep, and I think that's OK, personally. I mean, you could go into a bit more detail if you wanted, but if it's a non-dupe question, why duplicate the answer's work, y'know? Just more to update if they patch it or whatever.

@Fluttershy To be fair, @RavenDreamer needs the rep more than you.

@Fluttershy Because I didn't reference your answer!

user15026

@badp oh noes I forgot about the pancake brouhaha yesterday is very quiet now about pancakes

@Wipqozn how do you think we get all our rep? it's all dupes. all of it.

@Krazer Yo-ur suit is one-hun-dred tw-enty per-cent skin-ti-ght com-man-der

8:12 PM

@agent86 It all makes sense now.

@agent86 In this case, it wouldn't be affected by a patch or anything... It's just a subset of the question I already answered...

@agent86 I also have a lot of Skyrim.

@AshleyNunn @ArdaXi ate the pancakerobot.

@Wipqozn I've written one answer, and then copied and pasted it 900 times.

There is no more pancake police.

8:13 PM

Do we want a ton of "Does X count toward map completion?" questions cluttering the GW2 tag, or just one general question?

Also, I think the best course of action is to just make a slight modification to the original question to make it a more generic "what's map completion" question. That will make it easier for others to find, and it doesn't make sense to have a few questions all asking roughly the same thing floating around.

@Fluttershy Not... quite. You answer it in your answer, but the two questions are not obviously related (Can I get 100% world completion without exploring all the maps? Yes. Do I need to get the POIs in dungeons? No)

If the former, we should re-open all of the Skyrim "Lost my follower" questions...

@Fluttershy See what I just said.

Aaaand there's the strawman.

8:14 PM

@RavenDreamer I feel weird if "Strawman" isn't mentioned at least once a day. =P

Mmm. Now I am craving strawberry.

I agree with @Wipqozn though. Make the original a more general question concerning map completion as a whole.

user15026

@fbueckert oh, well, then I feel much safer.

I think having a general question would be easier for users. Making it easier for users to find answers to the question should be one of our top priorities.

user15026

@raven just a single strawberry?

8:15 PM

@AshleyNunn Straberry gelato

@Krazer that mariachi outfit is flattering. Revengeance is the dumbest made-up word in a video game title, though.

@Wipqozn Would a simple title update suffice in this case? Or would we need to edit the body as well?

@Fluttershy I'm going to fix it up, but the title alone should be enough. I'm going to try and touch up the body a bit too though.

@Wipqozn Alright. Should we VTC the newest one then?

Kewl

Finally getting a new star trek movie

8:22 PM

@Fluttershy Done and Done.

@Fluttershy Feel free to take a look at my edit to see if you see anything else that could be improved.

I wasn't quite sure what word to use, so I just went with "Factors". I'm certain there is a better choice.

Krazer

@badp Didn't you know? While revenge is served cold and vengeance is served hot, revengeance is often seen served Cajun with a side of onion rings and often dumplings in the Orient.

@Krazer Is it served with Bacon.