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12:15 AM
@enderland, I wish I could have a super-secret mode where I could hide in plain sight on SE -- definitely would not be overrated. I should change my icon to transparent.
 
@jmac privacy mode :D
or incognito mode
depending on your browser of choice
 
@MattGiltaji That means I can't access all my superpowers, and can't be a wallflower everywhere.
 
@jmac when you need the superpowers, hop back into your account
 
So Matt, when are you going to enlighten us all with a stellar meta post next?
 
@jmac when I have my next stellar idea :D
 
12:20 AM
That sounds a lot like common sense Matt. I believe I can quote the help center where it says using that can be hazardous.
 
I noticed a new diamond laced bounty
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Q: Dealing with rude senior colleagues

J. AnneI have a colleague who holds a higher position than myself and is very very abrupt and rude, in particular to people who are in lower positions than she is. I believe the management dont really see this because she treats them in a different way and makes sure she always looks good. I have no id...

its an excellent question
but do voodoo in teh closet until they get fired is not that great of an answer... I can't find any links to back it up
 
You made me remember CMW. Where oh where has he gone?
 
12:35 AM
@MattGiltaji a question just was closed as its dup and the asker lamented the answers there, since they rightly observed the answers are pretty weak (though the question is great)
I've got some rep I guess :)
 
@enderland giving away your hard-earned rep? unthinkable!
the ♦ has changed you, @enderland
 
@MattGiltaji I've almost given away 1k rep now in bounties :P
 
12:54 AM
@enderland I'm open to giving bounties too; as a mod I can already do all the things, so I don't mind giving some away. My biggest problem tends to be that I notice a great question that's too new, say "I should come back and bounty that if it doesn't get a good answer soon", and then forget about it. Oops. So, no promises, but I'll accept nominations, particularly in the tags I tend to hang out on (which you can get from my profile)...
Err, that was a reply to enderland's comment, but it's addressed to everybody.
 
@MonicaCellio maybe star it?
 
@MattGiltaji true, I should check my star list; I've probably done that in the past. :-)
 
I've starred questions I wanted to upvote after my votes reset, but I only remember to check it after I've already run out of votes that day :S
 
Haha, went to money.SE to ask a question and wrote a long answer instead
I think the traditional vs Roth 401k/IRA option is one of the most misunderstood and governmentally profitable things there is
 
1:09 AM
@enderland oft-misunderstood, and a gamble, yes. (Link to your answer?)
 
@MonicaCellio that's the thing, it's almost never a gamble
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A: Roth vs Traditional Investing assuming same tax bracket in retirement

enderland Assuming my math is correct and that I'm not missing something about Roth investments, it appears to me that either option will work out exactly the same if you will be in the same tax bracket in retirement. This is true only if your average tax rate in retirement is the same as your current...

If you can deduct, traditional is nearly always better than Roth
(this is true for 401ks, as well)
 
@enderland will read your answer momentarily, but the gamble is whether tax rates will be higher or lower when you take the money out -- which means anticipating changes to the tax law, not just anticipating your own needs. Ok, off to read your answer now...
@enderland I don't see where you accounted for earnings. For traditional you pay tax on everything that comes out, principal and interest; on the Roth you pay taxes on principal on the way in and nothing on the way out. (So another part of the gamble is how your money will grow over how long.)
 
@MonicaCellio earnings don't matter, that's why I eliminated them from my example
I don't think... ?
 
@enderland earnings don't matter in your simple example but they matter for the question of "how much money do I have". If your plan is to spend most of your money, as opposed to building an inheritance for someone else, that could matter.
 
@MonicaCellio I plan to retire quite early ;)
 
1:18 AM
Your example is about "put $X in, withdraw $Y, don't worry about the remaining balance". But I care about the balance because I want to use it. :-)
@enderland I want to retire as early as possible.
 
@MonicaCellio traditional is nearly always better then
 
@enderland I've actually done a mix. For the first (mumblety) years of my career Roth hadn't been invented yet, so it all went into trad (first IRA, then 401(k)). Once a Roth 401(k) became available to me (Roth IRA never made sense in my case), I started feeding into that instead. This means that in retirement I can choose, year by year, which flavor of money to take. It's insurance. :-)
 
@MonicaCellio A lot of it depends too on how much you intend to withdraw each year
 
I also think the calculation might be different for a 20-something at his first job and a 50-something looking to retire in ten years.
 
Yeah
I guess I'm the first and last part of that ;)
 
1:21 AM
@enderland yup. And then you get into things like trying to estimate the cost of health care/insurance...
 
@MonicaCellio yeah, obamacare is great for early retirements
 
@enderland if it's still there in 10 years. If it's there and largely unchanged in 10 years. (Or whatever -- I'm just picking 10 years here.)
 
A big thing too is that if you retire, in many cases your actual spending (and as a result withdrawals) is less than your income so your effective rate drops a lot relative to the marginal rate you put money in at
Also the "taxes on earnings vs principle" doesn't really matter because you are paying a tax on Roth earnings - if you have $150 you could have put into the traditional IRA whatever that would have earned is money you lost in potential earnings (which you then would be paying taxes on, as you correctly note)
anyways for most people this conversation is moot because most people don't save enough anyways, and either option is better :)
 
@enderland true; getting people to save at all is an improvement.
 
1:38 AM
Great feeling: buying an economy ticket, getting upgraded to business by the airline both ways on a 12+ hour flight.
 
@jmac Better feeling: not having a 12+ hour flight ?
 
@jmac woo! I mean, given that you have to take a 12-hour flight...
 
I have traveled around 250,000 miles in the past decade. That is enough for a one-way trip to the moon, or 10 times around the earth at the equator.
12-hour flights are normal, for better or worse.
 
Wow
I hope I never travel 250k miles in my entire life
 
Traveling is fun! How else will you see Istanbul, or Bali, or Japan, or Finland?
 
1:45 AM
Pics or it didn't happen
 
I've probably traveled enough in my life to go to the moon and back.
I don't think I have any photos of Finland actually. Or Austria. Or Istanbul. I do have some of London (probably of beer and pubs), and Warsaw at least. Maybe some Happen in Dusseldorf. Definitely have some of Bali.
I am horrible with photos.
I mean, why the heck would I want to take photos of everywhere I go? I will never look at them again, and other people take far better ones I can look at if I ever want to remember how it was.
(perhaps I am odd)
 
I drive home and chat is on fire
 
@jmac I guess I've never had the travel bug. My cousin spent like 4 years abroad all over the world, me, I spent a summer :)
 
@enderland I wouldn't call it the travel bug so much, I mean, I do live overseas and all that, but it's just more that once you have done it once, it doesn't seem like such a big deal to do it again. To me, "I want to go to New York!" and "I want to go to Bali!" are equivalent.
 
Yeah same, though I'd rather travel somewhere for a few weeks or even months to actually experience the culture
 
1:53 AM
And it's not like I'm doing really touristy stuff, I go to Bali just to relax, because the people, food, and hotels are tremendous, and the internet is so bad I'm not even tempted to try real work.
@enderland While I'm sure you can try, I think culture takes a lot longer than a few months.
 
@jmac oh yeah.
 
@enderland hey that's what the 45 minute video at the cultural center is for ... ducks
 
hahahaha
 
@jmac I wanted to take a Norwegian cruise last winter (north of the Arctic Circle, for the aurora, but also other stuff), but my husband and I decided that would be too adventurous for a first international trip together, so we went to London. It's funny what "use it or lose it" vacation time can prompt.
 
@MonicaCellio London is a great first trip. Same language, gorgeous city, tons of things to enjoy regardless of what you're in to -- definitely a good choice.
 
1:57 AM
I will never run out of reasons not to be at work with vacation :D
 
I really wanted to move to London...
 
I couldn't take a big city
 
@jmac yeah, we decided that "natives speak English" (more or less - ducks) was important.
 
I'm so spoiled in the midwest
 
We took a day-trip to Paris. Europe is closer together than here; it hadn't occurred to me that that would be possible.
 
1:58 AM
You would be surprised at how much of the world actually speaks English capably.
Yeah, Europe is teeny-tiny. Paris is a gorgeous city too, but it is way too expensive for my tastes.
 
Sure, they have to in self-defense. But I don't want to be that presumptuous monolingual American...
And I did have some problems with that in Israel, not in small corners of the place but in Jerusalem, even though it's a trilingual contry.
@jmac the prices in both Paris and London blew our minds. When we spend that much for dinner here in the US it's for something really special!
 
I think that people get spoiled by having 300 million people in their country speaking their language.
(Japan is really similar in that respect)
I didn't find London too outrageous, but then again I will eat at the pub, and that tends to be far cheaper, and when I was there extensively the exchange rate with the yen was so stellar I was overjoyed at only paying $3 for a beer.
(beer in Paris is poor by comparison, and twice the price. Wine and paté on the other hand, is cheap and awesome)
(you just have to leave the city)
I have been fine with English in most of Europe -- Finland, Germany, Austria, Poland -- never any real issues (not to mention countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, etc. which are essentially English native level due to schooling)
I went to the electronic's store yesterday for the first time in a long time. My poor 32" flatscreen TV that I bought in 2006 or so for $1,300 would now cost more like $300 -- I can't even believe how much prices have dropped. Incredible stuff.
 
@jmac the exchange rate didn't favor us so much. I think I ended up paying $7-8 for a beer in London (at the pub, I mean), and I didn't even consider getting a beer in Paris.
 
@MonicaCellio Yeah, in 2012, with all the war and economic uncertainty, etc. the Japanese Yen got stupid strong.
google.co.jp/?#q=gbp+to+jpy
In 2012, it was down around 120 yen/GBP -- currently at 180.
So it was a great time to be in London (or the US, or anywhere for that matter)
The USD-JPY exchange rate usually hovers around 100 (it is currently 104 JPY/USD), but back then it dropped all the way down to 75 JPY/USD. Great time to be paid in JPY and visit the US!
 
 
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3:21 PM
Wow. 52 upvotes, 3 down votes, and four close votes. Something is wrong with this picture. — Jim G. 12 secs ago
 
3:49 PM
Hey all. We got a flag on meta that I'm going to decline, and I want to explain why. Since it's a comment flag I (a) can't reply via the flag interface and (b) don't know whose it is anyway.
The flag is against a comment of the "yes I agree" variety. On main that would be toast (so please do flag there). On meta it would be toast if we'd already heard from that person. But on a meta post trying to gauge community sentiment, I'm a little more willing to let people add that much to a discussion beyond casting their votes. It's iffy and it could easily go the other way -- maybe another mod would delete the comment -- but this is why I'm declining it now.
(Note, though, that this is on a currently-active question; if you see old comments like that, like this one a few weeks from now, please do feel free to flag. By then I assume it's done its job.)
 
 
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7:15 PM
^^^ business as usual. Lemmings attack
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Q: Prevent questions on Hot List from being upvoted by casual visitors (only rep is from association bonus)

DVKI have experienced this on a couple of sites (and I'm not the only one) : You look through the question list. You see a pretty bad (or at least not-so-good) question heavily upvoted. Or even worse, a very poor answer to a good question - upvoted to stratosphere. Or even worse, a very poor/inc...

^^^ ain't gonna happen, of course
@DVK SE team is currently very busy. They work on very important problem. They are trying to figure how to protect Stack Overflow questions from ohh so harmful Meta Effect voting. (side note the longer the bounty hangs, the more eyeballs this question will collect) — gnat Aug 22 at 7:20
 
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Q: Apply for a position with a company via a recruiter. Can I apply for a different position with the same company by myself?

rafforaffoVia a recruiter I applied for a position to a certain company (earlier this week). Today, I have seen that there is another position in the same company and department for which I would like to apply. I don't know if this can be seen badly by the HR (or whoever else looks at the applications), o...

I swear that is a dup but im not finding it. I hate to answer it if it is already a dup
 
@Chad I think it is
@Chad might have been this one?
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Q: Recruiter offering me an interview two days after I applied for the same position via the company's website. Should I apply through both routes?

LenkaI applied for a job that I really like via a company's website. Two days later, a recruiter whom I've previously been in contact with offered me the same position. But by now, another three days later, I still haven't heard from that company where I applied. Meanwhile, the company says on their...

though that's backwards from what the person is asking
 
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Q: How should I handle a workplace relationship that has played a part in another employee's termination

BMMI work for a small company with a flat structure, with our company president as the lone official manager. There are ~25 employees. Several years ago a pair of coworkers (let's go with Alice and Bob) started a relationship. During the time of their relationship Alice had a increasingly antagoni...

why did that pop up in the review queue
@gnat We have Jmac on the inside now. Maybe something will happen.
 
7:36 PM
The take your CV down or else question is now closed, I see (with one reopen vote). I think the original question was problematic and should have been closed, but that the edits redeemed it. Thoughts?
 
@Chad we had Jon Ericson joining long before jmac. Nothing has changed
 
@MonicaCellio Its my reopen vote.
 
@MonicaCellio title could be clarified, as of now it tells nothing about what question is about
 
@MonicaCellio The legal portion was edited out early on, and there's no mention of company policies. I would vote to reopen if I had the repz
@gnat I'm trying to reword the title, having trouble because OP is not the one affected so it's throwing off the first person pronouns I would use.
 
@gnat Jmac is more home grown Jon was sort of a vetern we picked up on free agency for a post season run :p
 
7:45 PM
something like "Manager gave ultimatum to take CV offline" but that sounds horribly awkward
maybe "How to respond to Manager's ultimatum to take CV off job board?"
 
@MattGiltaji word "ultimatum" wasn't in the question. Why adding something out of thin air when missing details can be taken from question text? Right there, look: or "there will be consequences"
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A: Editing Philosophy

gnatA friend of mine, professional tech writer, once told me that one of the major skills in this profession is to remain anonymous. He explained that it means that to readers (including original author of the edited content), it shouldn't look like you added something of "your own", that it shouldn...

 
@gnat I was under the impression that "Do X or else" was an ultimatum
 
@MattGiltaji "remain anonymous", don't let your impression to leak in into the edit. In 99,9% cases all what is needed for the title is right there, in question text
 
@gnat true. Anybody should feel free to edit.
 
@gnat so something like "How to respond to Manager telling employee to take CV off job board or there will be consequences" ?
 
7:59 PM
@MattGiltaji "Take your CV down or there will be trouble" -- how to respond?
 
@MattGiltaji I would only use quote signs around "there will be consequences" - just like it was in the question. Other than that, looks okay
more thorough editing would probably clean up some of the drama from the question text, but this may take much time as to preserve content and details. "To me, this is tantamount to bullying and they have no right to demand that she takes her CV off of any sites like Monster etc. She has the right to work wherever she wants. Everyone moves around from company to company these days, it's the way of the world."...
... ^^^ part in italics can be spelled to "impartial tone" (Good Subjective, Bad Subjective). Part in bold seems to be superfluous
 
 
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9:27 PM
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Q: What should I do about receiving an unwarranted written warning?

Sandra MooreI was given a written warning today that I believe is unwarranted. The statement is at best an inaccurate representation of what happened and I consider it completely wrong. Since this is a written warning I fear it could follow my career with the company I hope to retire from. Is there any a...

I edited that earlier today. I think its a good question now.
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Q: How to respond to manager's demand to remove CV from Job site?

timMy daughter is desperately unhappy with her employer and is looking for another job. Her CV is posted on several sites and today her line manager has told her that she has until 4pm to take it off of these sites or "there will be consequences". We don't know exactly what that means yet. To me, t...

 
9:52 PM
@Chad that's a good edit
@Chad I'm assuming you mean the close vote? if people flag to close (who don't have close vote rep) it goes there
 
10:12 PM
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Q: Dealing with rude senior colleagues

J. AnneI have a colleague who holds a higher position than myself and is very very abrupt and rude, in particular to people who are in lower positions than she is. I believe the management dont really see this because she treats them in a different way and makes sure she always looks good. I have no id...

This has been the worst bounty ever so far
 

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