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12:25 AM
Alex Miller on October 28, 2013

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast #53 with special guest Gabe Koscky, our new Brazilian community manager, and usual suspects Jay Hanlon, Joel Spolsky, and David Fullerton. Today’s show is brought to you by the National Security Administration!

Site Milestones: We launched Astronomy, which is not the same thing as the Space Exploration site we’d previously launched. You can ask questions about gravity (the force) on Astronomy. You cannot ask questions about Gravity (the movie). Astronomy and Physics have a lot of overlap, and that’s okay! Also, you can’t say Count Dooku in Portuguese. This is an adult-only podcast. …

 
I think this shouldn't be closed:
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Q: What do I have to consider when working with muslim colleagues?

CMWWe have a new colleague in our team and she's muslim. Technically she's my subordinate, so I want to avoid as many pitfalls as possible. What are things one needs to know in this context? Prayer-related details, food/drink choices we should/shouldn't offer, even behaviour related things? Please...

 
"And now, this week’s Featured Site: The Workplace. It’s still in beta, and we don’t usually talk about betas in our featured site segment, but this site is especially interesting because its answers are much less factual than most other sites… and yet it’s still successful."
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@jcmeloni Awesome! Finally, we get our recognition! May this bring floods of useful questions! (I really wish they'd have linked to the help center though)
For reference and record, prior to said blog post, the first linked post had 3436 views:
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Q: How can I tell people to get to the point?

MrFoxI've recently come to a work place where people use a lot of useless business lingo and generally inflate communications with long unproductive fluff. I frequently find myself nodding and hoping they get to the point. Typically, we'd be sitting there with our team doing our thing when a certain ...

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Q: How do I deal with talented, but difficult employees?

GravitonI am managing a team of 10+ knowledge workers (developers, testers, technical support, no sales person). There are employees in my team who are extremely talented, who can consistently provide better technical support to clients, develop better features, and whose understanding of the software i...

let's see how much of a bump we get through this.
The second had 5950:
 
1:23 AM
@enderland Be incredibly careful about intra-company job postings. Unfortunately, different departments may see your posting and say, "Why are we looking for someone outside at $80k/year when there is an internal guy available for $60k/year? Clearly we're overpaying!" rather than your desire to use this to leverage your value up to $80k/year (all numbers made up).
@enderland Also, you say you won't apply for it, but it's very hard to leverage a job offer unless you actually have it in hand (I have tried negotiating a raise based on being headhunted by a competitor, but the company basically said, "unless you have a signed deal, they are just fishing for information on our salaries/benefits.") Of course your case may be different, just urging caution lest it get interpreted the wrong way.
 
 
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9:26 AM
What do you guys think of this question? Is it fine as-is? Need improvement?
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Q: Is there an industry approach to organizing places where people can have private phone calls without disturbing others?

sharptoothHere's a problem: there's a cubicle farm office where most of people don't need to use phone much during their workday and silence would be great for productivity. Yet sometimes people will have private calls. often unplanned, and there's a need to organize some place where they could have such c...

Here was my general reaction:
A read through Good Subjective, Bad Subjective may help, but basically there are two issues as I see it. The first is that you seem to have already solved the problem (I want to add a phone booth style thing to the office), and are asking for help with implementation (questions asking how to do a job are off topic here). The second is that any answers explaining how to implement it would not really explain why or how because you already picked the "proper" solution. — jmac 17 mins ago
 
9:46 AM
@jcmeloni Hey that's awesome! Workplace is breaking trends!
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11:28 AM
@jmac I pretty much agree with this concerning that question
 
11:39 AM
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A: Why is the question about risks for working for a consultancy closed as opinion based?

jmacWhen you originally asked in chat, I pointed you to this question: What is the difference between freelancer and contractor? This question was upvoted and had useful answers, so I thought that asking a similar question about switching from full-time salaried employee to contractor would be good...

@jmac you werent actually one of the closers, according to his question anyway
 
 
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12:54 PM
@jmac yeah. I'm definitely going to be really careful about it, fortunately my boss is pretty awesome and I think it'd be easy to present it as, "even though this job is pretty much perfect for me, I don't think I'm going to apply - but it would be great to have a bit more of an actual career path laid out so I know I am not turning down something which I will regret later"
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Q: my job experience is classified

ewokI have worked for 2 years at a government contractor on a number of classified projects. I am now in the hunt for a new job, but I am running into a significant problem: I can't answer questions about my previous work experience, because it is mostly classified, and the unclassified stuff is wil...

this is NOT a duplicate of the linked question, one is talking about interviews the other resumes
 
1:05 PM
@jmac I guess I don't see how that question should be reopened. I don't see anything specific to muslims in teh question scope for this site
is a "how to work with christians" questino on topic?
what about "how to work with Christians in India" ?
 
1:31 PM
@enderland Yes, definitely yes. I work with all sorts of cultures/religions. How to deal with them in situation X is definitely something I think is on-topic in regards to the workplace.
@enderland If someone came to the US from, say, Kazakhstan and asked, "I have never lived or worked in a Christian country, what if anything should I be aware of when working with Christians in the US?"
That would be an awesome question!
 
1:43 PM
:)
 
2:02 PM
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Q: CS degree. Should I start schooling again?

thenewbieI just want to see your insight about my problem. I am an IT graduate. I have some experience in software development. But now that Im in a foreign country finding IT jobs is very difficult than it was on my home country. They disregard my experience in software development and I havent been out ...

pew pew pew, close away?
 
Frustrated by this meta thread and would delete my answer if I hadn't put effort in to it.
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A: Can you ditch the attribution for own content clause from the Terms of Service?

jmac Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. There is a lot of hubbub in the contents which I suspect stem from a misunderstanding of what the license concept is, and what the responsibilities of each party is under the TOS. Finally I will explain what the consequences of not following this statement woul...

 
you've still gained a lot of rep over it :P
 
@enderland I don't care about rep. The downvotes are silly.
 
2:37 PM
@jmac well, in that case, I'll stop upvoting your content! :)
 
@jmac meta SO is a popularity contest, give an answer they want to hear or get downvoted
 
 
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5:34 PM
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Q: Is a complex test which benefits the company an ethical practice?

randunelHere is the situation. One of the companies I applied for as a software developer asked for a complex and "thorough" test. I agreed to it, but I noticed that I was supposed to add a module to their in-production services that automated certain e-mail notification based on some filters. I'm certai...

this question doesn't have a questino other than "what do you guys think" ?
 
6:11 PM
On this question:
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Q: Is a complex test which benefits the company an ethical practice?

randunelHere is the situation. One of the companies I applied for as a software developer asked for a complex and "thorough" test. I agreed to it, but I noticed that I was supposed to add a module to their in-production services that automated certain e-mail notification based on some filters. I'm certai...

This is one of those good-for-discussion, bad-for-SE questions IMHO.
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However, if there were still folks working on the WOrkplace blog, this might be a great topic to throw down right out of the gate.
 
 
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9:35 PM
This question appears to be off-topic because it is about managing employees and would be a better fit on workplace.SE — ratchet freak 5 mins ago
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Q: Preventing possible burnout in a junior dev, or perhaps I'm not doing enough?

m.edmondsonI'm a software developer with 5 years experience over 3 companies. Within the last year a junior (brand new to the industry) has started at my current employer. I believe he is an excellent developer, who always delivers and is skilled as solving complex problems. However I'm slightly concerned...

guys what do you think of above suggestion to migrate?
 
I would drop an edit on it on arrival but other than that it seems fine to me
 
we better learn how to handle stuff like that on larger scale after graduation :)
I feel like we will need a slot for Workplace after it graduates (will likely happen in 4-6 months; that's the time at their rate of ~5 questions/day to build a 3K questions backlog) — gnat 11 hours ago
 
its a shame there is no such thing as a migration queue
migrations are dropped in it
reviewed by people with enough rep
edited if needed
before being displayed to the site as a whole
 
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Q: Suggested migrations review at target site

gnatFor more control over incompetent migrations (see example complaints in posts tagged migration-rejection), would it make sense to try a new kind review? I would call it suggested migrations queue Located at target site, it would contain a list of questions flagged / voted for migration. Target ...

 
have you wrote a meta post on everything!?!
but agreed, have some votes
proposed a year ago :/
will favourite and drop a bounty on it in a couple of days
 
9:41 PM
@RhysW nope. Only on rejected migrations, hotness formula, editing, review audits and review abuse, SO CV queue, declined flags, editing / suggested edits and careers :)
 
that IS everything!
how you arent a CM yet is beyond me :P
 
@RhysW being a regular user suits me well. More freedom
 
true i guess, your word isnt law then
CM's are a lot like judges from Judge Dredd in that respect
 
@RhysW exactly. I want to express my opinion, explain it, have it reviewed (and preferably agreed on, but agreed part is optional). :) CMs have to carry a "hat" when talking, they are bound
 
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Q: What are differences between quantitative analyst and data scientist in IT companies?

TomWhat are differences between quantitative analyst and data scientist in IT companies? Both seem to deal with data, requiring statistics and programming.

close bait
@gnat I like this qusetion but right now there is no question - it's more... "what should I do?"
 
9:56 PM
@enderland all right, I've been inactive at TWP for too long to argue. Consider dropping a note there or at Whiteboard to help them stick with golden rule...
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A: What's the deal with migrating CSS questions to Webmasters?

Jeff AtwoodThat migrated question was terrible, it should have been closed as "too localized". I don't think it was wrongly migrated, I think it never should have been migrated at all. What's the first rule of fight club question migration? Never. Migrate. Crap. Relevant meta.webmasters discussion: I...

 
What is your actual question? We normally close questions on Workplace amounting to, "tell me what to do" - are you hoping to find a way to discuss with this person to help take work life balance more seriously? Or how to determine if someone has poor W/L balance? — enderland 3 mins ago
 
@enderland right of course, maybe IVE been out of WP too long too :S
 
n00bs. :)
 
:P ill change that, i promised to come back and write good tag wiki's and ill be damned if i dont!
 
@enderland okay now that I'm done with link-only answers at Programmers, I'll get back to TWP and show you!
 
10:01 PM
wait, maybe thats what he wants gnat! he's goaded us back
@enderland have you ever thought about being a politician or lawyer? something that involves tricking people into doing what you want
 
after all, my TWP user id is 2K less and 4 months older!!! 168 vs 2322, now who's noob?
 
im a relative baby, ID 5305
think about that gnat, over 5 thousand people joined in between you and me being here! not bad for a beta
 
@gnat too bad I wasn't 100 users before that :(
@RhysW hah. I've thought about it
a lot when I was younger. not so much now :)
 
@enderland 2222 yeah that would be cool id
 
i could never be either
lying isnt really my forte
 
10:08 PM
@RhysW over 5 thousand, workplace indeed rocks
22 hours ago, by jcmeloni
"And now, this week’s Featured Site: The Workplace. It’s still in beta, and we don’t usually talk about betas in our featured site segment, but this site is especially interesting because its answers are much less factual than most other sites… and yet it’s still successful."
 
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Q: Why do people generally not tell others where their new jobs are?

CareerQuestionsSeveral of my coworkers who have moved to another company all have kept quiet about what company exactly they are going to. They put in their 2 weeks notices, and for the most part, everyone around knew that, except where they were going to work. Not sure if this simply a trend here at my workpla...

we JUST had this question
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Q: When you change jobs, is it safe to reveal where you are going?

FooI've noticed that many people don't reveal where they are going until their last day at work. Some of them don't reveal it until they actually join the new place. What is the reason people don't reveal their future employer before actually starting to work there? Is there a risk in revealing yo...

ahhh!
 
@gnat whoever becomes user 10,000 will have a surprise in store, i have a nigerian prince friend who needs to pass some of his vast wealth off
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Q: How much should I reveal about a new job after resigning from my current job

sunnyI recently got a new job at a firm that is paying me only slightly higher but the work is going to be much better. As such, I have resigned from my current job and the exit process has started. However, I am being asked all sorts of questions by senior management and the HR about my new job like...

@enderland an indication of fluency in site topics is ability to quickly discover dupes :)
 
@gnat it helps that other Q was from like 3 days ago :P
 
i dunno E, ive never been able to identify as quickly as you or J
 
10:15 PM
@RhysW what?
is this myers briggs?
 
you've been elevated to a new tier in my mind, youre on single character names :P
 
@gnat sure take the shameless rep from posting an old answer! :)
ahhhhh. who is J then lol
 
Jmac
 
ahhhh
apparently I spent too much time here
 
same way chad is C and gnat is G :P
though 'i dunno, G' is way more 'gangsta' than i will ever be
 
10:19 PM
I understand how everyone cna nail dups on other sites now though
 
you have reached enlightenment?
 
no I've just spent way too much damn time here ;)
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never did i ever think i would have to utter the phrase 'in what universe would i not make a good pimp' the things you do for friends, eh? :P
 
o_O
I guess it's pretty dang late for you haha
I'm just still at work :)
 
i think we need to start a 'jmac for mod' campaign, get him that community building experience he wanted :P
@enderland well, half 10, but i have odd friends,
 
10:33 PM
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Q: Introducing yourself to someone you have never met?

user55195Today, my manager introduced me to an employee who's visiting us from a different geographical location. The person is visiting our office for 2 weeks. I don't know anything about him and I don't have any working relationship with him either. Being an non-native English speaker, I couldn't think ...

this seems like a great question which currently is a poll
 
@enderland great question? seems more like, 'conversation 101' to me, is that workplace?
 
ah whateves, I let others worry about it
getting close to me leaving anyways hahahahahahah
 
sorry i get quite curt when im sleepy, didnt mean that to seem as degrading as it might have sounded
 
@Jmac will take care of it :)
 
well my stalker is here atleast
hey there @Undo
hes president of my fan club
 
10:36 PM
And president of the flag club.
 
if undo worked he might have use for this site :P hint hint
 
zing
 
Lol. Yes, I have no use for this site due to my age being equal to the numbers of two Apollo missions that failed the worst added together.
 
tries to do math and fails
too late for me to do basic arithmetic
 
@Undo 12?
 
10:39 PM
@enderland It was Apollo 1 and 13 that failed, methinks.
 
ah so 15
 
@Undo err, yeah 11 was the successful one
 
Yup.
 
@RhysW 1+13 <> 15
you'd think you could do that sort of math @RhysW :)
 
I was failing on purpose!
feels wrong deleting obsolete comments from CM's, like they are watching and silently judging
 
10:41 PM
@RhysW CMs?
 
Community managers
 
ahhh
well I'm outta here
lateR!
 
cya E, enjoy your afternoon
 
I have successfully scared someone else off.
 
its a shame you removed your astro mod nomination, you would have been the stacks youngest mod then
 
10:44 PM
@RhysW I didn't remove it.
 
i thought you did?
 
Nope - just wasn't chosen.
Which is probably a good thing
 
maybe im confusing you and uvd then
 
Yeah, it was UV-D that did that.
 
i refer to you both as U in my head so its easy for that to happen
 
10:45 PM
Lol - you do it in pings too
 
i do?
 
@RhysW I've seen instances where it looked like you autocompleted the first thing that started with U.
Sometimes with spectacular results.
 
probably, i hit tab a lot whilst typing
 
I do to. It comes of being a programmer.
 
ive honestly never noticed getting it wrong though!
 
10:46 PM
It was only twice, methinks.
 
i usually use the reply arrow more than autocomplete
 
Hm - maybe I have the wrong person.
 
we can blame tildal, he isnt here
 
Of course.
 
anyways, i should start counting sheep
cya around!
 
10:48 PM
Adios! I'll make sure you have some friendly flags when you wake up!
 
haha c2v and donald will have caught them, our online times differ due to country
 
@RhysW This graph gives me a pretty good idea of when you wake up:
 
@Undo thats very true, and quite a scary thought
 
It is, isn't it.
 
i like how my graph has no downtime, every hour is accounted for atleast a little
 
10:55 PM
@RhysW The graph extends to the left all the way to where your avatar ends on the left. So you do have downtime.
 
:O i will have to change that
 
11:14 PM
@RhysW No thanks! I think you're the correct candidate. Look at how quiet meta has been while you were gone! Clearly you are the catalyst. I'm the hired muscle.
 
@jmac The hired muscle needs represented too...
 
@Undo Nah, Rhys really would be the better choice. I don't do well with authority, and I don't want to hate myself.
 

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