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2:26 PM

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Q: INSTALL WINDOWS XP MODIFIED ISO FROM GRUB AS I DO NOT HAVE CD DRIVE

There is a modified Windows xp ISO with me and i am not having CD drive. I want to directly install it from GRUB. Also, I have tried booting it from USB but Windows XP cannot be installed through USB. Please tell me how to do it.

windows-xp boot iso-image lubuntu ubuntu-13.10

@Utkarsh stop that, this question is not even on topic here.

@terdon why? is't ubuntu a linux?

@Utkarsh this is not about Ubuntu, it's about GRUB. I don't know whether that's on-topic here

okay

@Utkarsh I don't say it's off-topic, I just say I don't know. But I see now it's on SU and not on Unix.SE, which should be fine itself. And I don't see harm in posting a link in the unix chat

2:34 PM

@Utkarsh question dumping is generally considered rude. You did so twice today and ignored me when I took the time to answer you. Questions about how to install windows are certainly off topic on a Unix site

@Utkarsh However, doing it in this way is strange, I have to agree with @terdon on this.

Okay everyone, i am sorry

No worries, now you know :)

@terdon i have seen you somewhere? right?

@Utkarsh dunno, I'm active here, on Stack Overflow, English Language & Usage and Biology

2:38 PM

@terdon yea! i have talked to you earlier in comments, by mistake, i said you "you fool! its availble for download"

;P

after that i said sorry

lol

@terdon oh! i remember! we met first time here and you REALLY REALLY help me. because of you, i did backup and after 2 months, my HDD crashed!

we met here...unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96497/…

and this was my first question ever on stackexchange

@terdon isn't it awesome!

ah yes, I remember that one :)

btw, Hi @terdon ! Thanks for helps before. I seem to finally make things work with my new PC

@tohecz cool!

2:52 PM

@terdon I just need to solve the M$ Windoze problem I have, because M$ is a MFSoB

:) Try Super User

@terdon well, the problem is that after re-partitioning my HDD, the product key is invalid. Only my re-seller can solve that

3:07 PM

Wow, they do that now?

@terdon yes, as I say, MFSoBs

Anyone going to Linux Conf Australia, on monday?

@tohecz Eww. Nasty.

@FaheemMitha indeed. I said that before, I opted for W only because it makes no price difference in laptops. But once I have it, I want it to work.

@tohecz Right, I remember.

MS and Apple get more and more controlling.

3:09 PM

@FaheemMitha yep, you can't install W8.1 without having a life/outlook account

@tohecz What is a life/outlook account?

I have a question about

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A: Find and replace text within multiple files

perl -pi -e 's/oldtext/newtext/g' * replaces any occurence of oldtext by newtext in all files in the current folder. However you will have to escape all perl special characters within oldtext and newtext using the backslash.

I don't use perl, but it seems * there means something different than the unix shell. Is this globbing, or something else? Specifically,.* seems to match all files, whereas in the shell is seems to just match ascii strings (no special characters).

@FaheemMitha basically an online account with Microsoft. It's for free but it's a trace of course

@tohecz Hmm. That didn't use to be the case.

@FaheemMitha no, not at all, until 8.1. I don't log into skype from W8.1 because I would have to link my skype account with the outlook one

@tohecz Oh, so recent? Hmm, interesting.

I don't use either MS or Apple products (except at the point of a gun), so I don't know a thing about what they are doing.

3:13 PM

@FaheemMitha that is the shell, nothing to do with Perl

@terdon Forgive my illiteracy. then I wonder why sed and perl give different results with *.

That is a glob, yes but who said * won't match weird characters in a glob?

@terdon Doesn't seem to do so here. I guess I should to figure out what is going on.

Because when used in a regex it is a quantifier, it means "match the preceding character 1 or more times (sed)" or "match the preceding character 0 or more times (perl)"

Thanks.

@terdon Ok. I'll look at it again.

3:15 PM

@FaheemMitha try this:

touch "##" '$la' "%ja" "^kk"

echo *

@terdon Ok.

That should list all files, including the ones with weird names

@FaheemMitha a star outside of any apostrophes/quotation marks is interpreted before the command is even invoked.

@tohecz Right, I should have remembered that.

So, I was using -> sed -i 's/datafile/gene/g' *

vs

perl -pi -e 's/datafile/gene/g' *

but these seem to operate on different files. any obvious reason for that?

@FaheemMitha and if no match is found (like *.tex in a folder containing no tex files), it's kept literal

3:17 PM

@tohecz Not sure what you mean by "kept literal"

@terdon It does.

@searchfgold6789 I don't think the kernel people handle alsa

@FaheemMitha if the shell doesn't find any matches for your *.txt (or whatever), it passes *.txt as an argument to the command invoked

@tohecz Ok, I see. Did not know that.

Which means that ls *.txt *.doc in a directory containing only a.txt and b.txt will turn into ls a.txt b.txt *.doc, and ls will then complain: ls: cannot access *.doc: No such file or directory

@tohecz Right. I see.

@FaheemMitha which, btw, means that sed s/a*/a/g file is fine unless you have a subdir s containing a folder abc with a subfolder a with a file g inside this subfolder ;)

3:25 PM

@tohecz Actually, i do use skype. unfortunately.

@FaheemMitha so do I, but only on Linux ;)

@tohecz Me too.

btw, next time I boot, I have to configure in BIOS my keyboard backlight to "on" instead of "dim 15s"

If I do

sed -i 's/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/g' *;

sed: couldn't edit corrmodel.prv: not a regular file

So, I should exclude directories?

perl -pi -e 's/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/g' *

gives

Can't do inplace edit: corrmodel.prv is not a regular file, <> line 25441.
Can't do inplace edit: foo.prv is not a regular file, <> line 40018.
Can't do inplace edit: imsart-ims is not a regular file, <> line 40213.
Can't do inplace edit: JSSstyle is not a regular file, <> line 48322.
Can't do inplace edit: sqlalchemy_schemadisplay is not a regular file, <> line 76699.
Can't do inplace edit: test.prv is not a regular file, <> line 77427.

So this doesn't exit right away like sed does.

Does anyone know why?

3:53 PM

@FaheemMitha well, I would do sed -i 's/xxx/yyy/g' `find . -type f`

the find command has a depth limit in case you want only files from the current directory, not from subdirs

@FaheemMitha yes, you should when attempting to do text manipulation. Perl will probably continue through to the next one, sed apparently exits on the first error.

@terdon Right. I wonder why.

@tohecz Thanks.

4:13 PM

@FaheemMitha just the way they're set up. In both cases, the command you are running is sed 's/foo/bar/' file1 file2 file3 ... $fileN

The * is expanded by the shell and passed as a list of files to the invoked program

how the program deals with an error is up to the devs and is independent of your shell.

@terdon Right.

Thanks.

That Brazilian Guy

4:26 PM

I have located a translation issue in Nautilus. How do I find out the version, and where do I report it?

@ThatBrazilianGuy nautilus --version

and probably the main GNOME bug tracker wherever that is though it might also be useful to post it to your distro's bug system

That Brazilian Guy

It's Fedora 19 if it matters.

GNOME nautilus 3.8.2

So the main Gnome bug tracker it is

yeah, nautilus is part of GNOME

That Brazilian Guy

Thanks!

@ThatBrazilianGuy Help -> About in Nautilus gives you the version number as well.

5:04 PM

Has anyone got anything but Skype to work reliably on Linux? I tried backporting jitsi to stable, but it failed.

5:18 PM

You gotta love computers :-/ :-(

@slm Sorry, I tested now and it works with -o ColorModel=Gray. I swear it didn't work before. — tohecz 53 secs ago

6:05 PM

@FaheemMitha Google+ Hangouts work...

@derobert I should have asked specifically about free software. sorry.

Ah. I've never managed to get anyone else I'm trying to talk to, to install anything :-(

In my experience skype is much more reliable than google hangouts

Hangouts work well here. Maybe it depends on where you are? Possibly that I'm much closer to a Google datacenter.

@derobert Yes, that's a big problem.

Even if you get something to work, you've got to get someone else to install it.

It is unbelievably difficult to get the average persont to do anything like that, in my experience.

they just want to do the easiest thing.

6:10 PM

Yep. Getting them to visit a web site is hard enough!

Seriously, I failed to manage to get people to visit Google Docs

There are way too many non-computer folks around...

Yes, we all live in the Age of Facebook. Aren't you proud?

We need more and better computer education in schools.

#@(#! that, I don't have an account with the Zuckerberg Spy Agency.

Actually not only computer education.

@derobert Word.

Not that Google is that much better anymore :-(

@derobert Very true.

I try not to use Google more than I have to.

6:12 PM

I still want my account with the NSA. At least there, you wouldn't have to post updates, they do it for you!

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I don't use Facebook at all. They're evil.

@derobert heh.

@derobert ever tried any of linphone, ekiga or jitsi?

I've used ekiga.

@derobert Did it work for you?

... with my own SIP server.

@derobert ooh, advanced.

6:14 PM

It worked against my SIP server. I'm not sure if I've ever talked to anyone else with it, over the Internet.

@derobert So, what did you use it for, exactly? Talking to someone else using your server?

Talking to the computer. I use it to test one of our products at work.

@derobert Ok, I see.

BTW: I mistakenly approved unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/34541 ... that's actually an edit for the question, not the answer, and it needs to be rejected...

Like Skype test call, for example.

@derobert You want me to reject it?

6:17 PM

@FaheemMitha Yeah, it needs two rejects to reject it anyway

I can't change my vote, it seems.

@derobert Ok, why am I rejecting it?

it is asking me

invalid edit?

yeah, invalid edit. Or put custom in, and type something. That message gets shown to the person who proposed the edit

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Q: Using a variable in a regex

How can I use a variable string in a regular expressions while read line do if [[ line =~ *"$key"* ]]; then echo line fi done < "$filename" $key is a string variable and I want to print all the lines that has the value of $key

bash regular-expression bash-script

... it's on that.

@derobert no idea what to type in custom. tell me and i'll type it in

invalid edit is fine, you don't need to use a custom reason

ok, done

i tried to build backport jitsi to debian stable but it failed

i hate java. why did they have to use java?

6:21 PM

@slm aha! And you've made the same mistake I did :-P

I rolled it back...

@derobert - thanks

I left a comment to the editor explaining. I wish the edit queue were clearer about if you're reviewing a question or an answer

@derobert Perhaps a meta question? :-)

Yeah. Good idea.

6:44 PM

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Q: The suggested edit queue needs to be clearer if it's a question or answer

Both slm and I managed to vote to approve this suggested edit, not realizing it was fixing broken code in the question as opposed to an answer. (Faheem Mitha rejected, after I admitted my mistake in chat and asked for reject votes). Of course, I went ahead and rolled back right after it was appro...

feature-request suggested-edits user-interface

I had no idea Server Fault was elitist, but I don't really go there.

Per

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A: Are we a little bit trigger happy on close-votes?

It's best to close questions quickly when they are not suitable in their current form, and to reopen them quickly if they become suitable. The java question was perfectly comprehensible in its original form and should not have been closed. In its current form, it is actually too messy to reopen ...

@derobert I've made that mistake more times than I'd like to admit 8-)

@slm I think its my first time. At least here... Not sure if I've done it on SO before. But I haven't done much edit-queue work.

Unfortunately, your vote on my feature suggestion won't even give me worthless meta rep (the only thing less valuable than normal rep), as child metas don't have rep :-/

@derobert child meta?

you mean child of SO?

SO is the only meta that has meaningful rep

6:53 PM

@slm I see.

@FaheemMitha meta.unix.stackexchange.com is a child meta

child of unix.stackexchange.com

@derobert Ah, ok.

All the others are just there for each SE site, to qualify things but the rep there is null

meta.stackoverflow (eventually to become meta.stackexchange) is different, because it was created a long time ago. It was the 4th site.

@derobert I see.

Thanks for the clarifications.

6:54 PM

@FaheemMitha It's right in the charter. That site is for professional SA's.

@slm I see.

SE questions really need a follow button

@slm Yeah. Though they're not actually that strict on it. They mainly don't want to be doing end-user support on the site.

It was to keep the stuff that belongs on Super User on Super User.

Yeah there is still too much overlap for me on the various sites, but it can't really be helped

So, if you have a question about setting up a bunch of machines to authenticate to an LDAP server, for example, it'll be fine on Server fault, even if you're doing 10 machines at home. As long as you can speak the jargon of a sysadmin.

An answer I gave here about KVM I'd asked on ServerFault last year, and I saw that after I'd asked it, it had received a close vote. Which seemed ridiculous to me. KVM is clearly a server product, and I had a usability Q about virt-manager, where I was using it to manage servers. If that isn't on topic what the heck is 8-)

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A: How do I get my mouse back from qemu/kvm?

Keyboard method You can release focus using the Left Ctrl+ Left Alt. Notice you have to use the left keys! Focus free method See my question I posted on this exact thing on ServerFault. The Q&A is titled: Any way to release focus on a KVM guest in virt-manager without having to click Ctrl_L + ...

The Q from SF

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Q: Any way to release focus on a KVM guest in virt-manager without having to click Ctrl_L + Alt_L?

Is there a way to move my mouse in and out of a KVM guest in virt-manager without having to click to gain focus of the window and release focus by pressing Ctrl_L+ Alt_L? BACKGROUND I typically connect from a Fedora 14 system using virt-manager to manage guest KVMs running on a CentOS 5 system....

virtualization kvm-virtualization libvirt virt-manager

7:04 PM

@slm this question would presumably have been on topic here. did you think you would get better replies there?

@slm will get separated

@FaheemMitha Well, I don't know of a better answer. It'd be on topic here, too.

@Braiam ?

177

Q: Stack Overflow is getting a place of its own

We've grown considerably as a network since the days of the original trilogy, when the prospect of growing into a network of over 100 thriving Q&A sites was a distant glimmer in a cloudy night sky. Today, Stack Overflow continues to graciously host discussions about the entire network on its extr...

discussion featured stackoverflow meta per-site-meta

meta.SO is going to be split into an actual meta.so (which will be a child meta of SO, handling only SO-specific things) and a meta.stackexchange handling network-wide things

7:08 PM

@derobert btw, that hat has some alpha channel? is supposed to be green, but appears black/dark

@derobert I guess that makes sense.

@Braiam yeah, it is transparent

Checked the image in GIMP, definitely partially transparent.

50% alpha

@FaheemMitha I asked that Q before I used this site with any frequency. There are other KVM related Q's on SF + virt-manager. This was to my point that there is too much overlap (for my tastes) among all these SE sites.

It could be worse! It could be Ask Ubuntu.

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@slm Ok. Do you think unix/linux server questions are best asked here or on SF?

7:13 PM

@derobert There's a reason I have only 170 rep on AU 8-)

Though who knows, Ubuntu will soon have its own display server, used nowhere else; already has its own DE, used nowhere else. Maybe they'll soon decide to try their own kernel...

@derobert you haven't seen the amount of Ubuntu patches on the kernel?

And if Debian goes systemd, they'll have their own init system, used nowhere else.

@FaheemMitha I have a biased opinion now, since I know the ppl on both sites, I would ask my Q on the site which whom I know will likely be able to answer it.

@Braiam Everyone has tons of kernel patches.

7:14 PM

@slm Um, having a little trouble parsing that.

@derobert I guess it worked out that they split AU into it's own 8-)

@FaheemMitha questions will focus on different stuff depending on where it's asked ;)

here may focus on the "internal functionality" while on SF may focus on "how to deal with it"

@FaheemMitha I know the regulars on both U&L and SF, so I'll ask my questions where I know there are more experts on the subject.

@slm Ok. I see. I guess you must know lots of people. :-)

7:33 PM

@FaheemMitha no I just pay attention to which areas of expertise people write good answers for 8-)

@slm Good answer. :-)

8:36 PM

-11

A: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

why do we hate the twitter bot so much this year?

@voretaq7 Watch out, you have competition! — Gilles Dec 22 '13 at 18:55

@Gilles We clearly have a greater depth of hate for our twitter bot than you guys. It's OK though - we've had YEARS of hating the twitter bot to get good at this. You guys actually liked yours not too long ago. You'll catch up :-) — voretaq7 Dec 22 '13 at 19:26

I know it has a talent for finding controversial questions that need closing rather than sharing, but on U&L think it's been ok

I thought Programmers hated their because of that, but no

@terdon bugzilla.gnome.org

anyway, I've pit my version against the official one

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

user image

should I do a U&L version?

@FaheemMitha I've written a small piece on this, specifically Google Talk's (now vanished) XMPP support: tumblr.strugee.net/post/71618120911/…

@derobert ^

@Gilles I figured we just hated our Twitter bot because it promotes a proprietary social network, when there are free alternatives available.

@Gilles yes

I never could figure out why people didn't like the Twitter bot, but now it makes sense

8:43 PM

I don't get why everyone claims XMPP is gone. I'm pretty sure Google still has it. I have Pidgin signed in to talk.google.com. It still gets messages from Hangouts, and vice versa.

@derobert oh? but we don't hate AIX, or Solaris, or Red Hat

@Gilles Yes how many times have we wondered why some mediocre Q is getting voted through the roof, when we come to find out b/c it was tweeted. I think tweeting the Q's out is dumb.

some cow Q's is coming to mind 8-)

@Gilles Red Hat is still mostly free. You're on your own when it comes to AIX, though...

@derobert me too (xmpp + google)

I think they turned off XMPP peering (whatever it's actually called). I'm not sure if it was temporary or not.

8:44 PM

I also use my own xmpp server, don't understand why it is disliked, I think b/c it's open?

@derobert I'm logged in right now w/ xmpp + google, seems fine

Can you send messages from Google Talk to users on other XMPP servers (and vice versa)? If so, they've turned it back on.

I don't use google talk, i use pidgin

i use it for twitter too

but are you connected to talk.google.com?

Or some other XMPP server?

@slm when my U&L rep passed my AU rep I got up and cheered

@derobert Hangouts doesn't have XMPP. maybe you never "upgraded"? it offers it to you when you log in to Gmail...

@strugee I've definitely upgraded to Hangouts.

I use it in Gmail, in Google+ (both on the web), on Android phones, tablets,...

8:50 PM

@strugee as should everyone

here you go

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

@Gilles you've linked to the wrong bot

@derobert huh. that's weird, maybe they turned XMPP on. but I know for sure that when I initially upgraded to Hangouts, I stopped receiving messages from an XMPP bot. at least on my Androids; I think in the Gmail web app too (but I'm not sure)

fixed it

@derobert oops, pasto

@derobert thanks

8:52 PM

@strugee I'm not sure if XMPP federation works with hangouts or not.

Hey! The twitter bot tweeted out something useful!

The suggested edit queue needs to be clearer if it's a question or answer http://meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/2628?atw=1

Tweeted by StackUnix on January 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM

@derobert I think not. maybe that's what people are talking about? I dunno, it's all very confusing

but WRT to the "no one will install anything", it's the same for GPG keys. I'd like to use them but no one I know is willing to set them up

@derobert not Gentoo! not Arch! waves hands excitedly

@strugee Hah, well, they're probably shipping git head and calling it a release :-P

@derobert OI! small voice that's what the linux-git AUR package is for...

@derobert all meta Q gets tweeted ;)

@Gilles yeah, I don't understand it either. looks like I'm the sole upvoter of the twitter ad

9:02 PM

@strugee enjoying your new hat, by the way?

@Gilles the one I'm wearing? yes. but I have no idea how I got it, since it's secret

some secret hats are easy to figure out

but not this one

I used you to confirm a guess

@strugee I read it. Thanks.

@Gilles was it correct?

@strugee yes

9:04 PM

Google doesn't even know how this secret hat works.

@Gilles AND? we're all waiting

(but thank you)

@derobert AFAIK the solution appeared on Google on 29 December

@strugee you'll know tomorrow

or just google again

true

I couldn't find it on Google... :-(

But oh well, it can wait until tomorrow. Is that when the Winter Bash is over?

yes

tonight at 23:59 the hats go away

9:06 PM

@strugee Yes, that was my experience with gpg years ago, though it is actually very easy.

UTC or EST?

UTC or GMT

So we have <3 hrs left to enjoy our hats...

I don't really get the hats thing.

Though it is tempting to edit the avatar to add the hat, and see who I can confuse. "Why didn't yours go away?"

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9:07 PM

@FaheemMitha what's easy? setting it up? I know but people can't be bothered

you know what is misleading... Shog's riddles... I haven't found a single common point between any of his riddles and the way to get the hat...

@Braiam uh? Some are easy. Ok, some are hard.

@Braiam Well, what did you expect for riddles from a severed head?

@FaheemMitha I turned them off

@FaheemMitha yeah

9:08 PM

21

A: How Do I Get the Winterbash 2013 Secret Hats?

Chuck Yeager "from JBM to JWH" Ghost of Winterbash Past "I live... AGAIN!" I See Your Point "Earned ten of the most meaningless points on the 'Net" Before It Was Cool "He ain't no drag" Eureka! "Solve these riddles and it's yours" IG-88 "You may have to go to ...

@Gilles - I just UV'd the logo for twitter, hillarious

@strugee Yes, setting it up is easy.

halfway there!

@strugee 's secret hat isn't on the list

But, yeah, the average person doesn't want to do computer related stuff.

9:09 PM

@derobert it's called Don Draper, apparently

It is really, really a minority appeal thing. But everyone here already knows that.

I'm so bored without Mad Men.

Donald Francis "Don" Draper is a fictional character and the protagonist of AMC's television series Mad Men, portrayed by 2008 Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm. Until the Season 3 finale, Draper was Creative Director of Manhattan advertising firm Sterling Cooper. He then became a founding partner at a new firm, Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce, after he and his superiors abandoned their old agency in advance of an unwanted acquisition. Draper's character is partially based on Draper Daniels, a creative director at Leo Burnett advertising agency in Chicago in the 1950s, who worked on the Marlboro...

@strugee Yep. The site tells me that, and that its secret

... and I haven't seen Mad Men.

ah. right

9:10 PM

@derobert because very very few people have had it, and no one reported it on meta

Great show!

Indeed. I guess @strugee could go to meta and brag.

not the first person to get it on U&L though

@derobert how? I have zero idea how I got it, except that the gods gifted it to me from on high

and by gods I mean @Gilles and by "on high" I mean high on the rep list

@strugee What hat is/what that?

9:12 PM

@strugee LOL

user image

needs cigarette

@strugee hanging in chat room + ?

@slm ?

The hat, how did you get it?

is it what you and gilles worked out the other night?

Do you like my hat?

Yes, I do like your hat.

9:16 PM

@slm shog's riddle is actually helpful for this one

Does that remind anyone of anything?

@slm no, I only just figured it out (with a lot of help)

@slm like I said, it was gifted to me

there i just put a hat on, i had it turned off

i like the bounty hunter hat

where do you see others hats?

@slm on their profile

9:19 PM

It shows on their avatars

and of course you see the one they're wearing on their avatar

Yep. It takes a bit for chat.SE to find out about hat changes though. Then you may have to refresh as well.

they don't show everywhere, though

augh! I can never remember whether () or [] comes first when using inline Markdown links

all right, I have to go pick up a repair. pray for my optical drive

@Gilles I see them now, if you don't like hats you don't see them so I've had that off for the past month

I just enabled it now, so now I see everyones hats

I like the drapper one the best, the milner hat isn't bad either

10:04 PM

@slm DARN YOU! I was number 2 and gaining on Gilles and you put your hats on and move me down to 3! ARGH! ;)

@terdon - sorry I took them back off

I didn't even know how many I had

@terdon which ones were you hoping to get in the next 1½ hours?

10:38 PM

@Gilles none, I'm not really bothered to tell you the truth. Just playing along. I think I only tried for one, the rest sort of accreted.

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