kell -> kelp

hi

Hi.

So I've been thinking about different kinds of quines, and our definition of "Each part must clearly be encoded by a different part of the program" kind of breaks on our topological quine.

Wait, we have a fourth nominative definition of a quine now?

":1-or>o# is considered a valid quine in ><>, which "kind of" is encoded in different halfs.

":1-or>o# encodes the entire program besides the starting ", the starting " however is encoding using the same space

So although the quine uses different areas of the quine, one is a subset of the other.

oh hey that looks familiar :P

(That's because it's your topological quine)

yes

The question remains, is this a valid quine? Does our definition contradict it?

yeah tbh its more about stuff being not fun

so, we have four different definitions of a quine, all normative and all unclear?

1\n is not fun, for example

The Double Literal quine was a fun one, 1\n1, but now that's cheating.

not really

that was not fun

that was dumb

Can't we just get rid of all definitions and leave it to voting?

the issue is that that doesn't work

It was fun because it was dumb, yet valid.

it was dumb

and not fun

Right now, my shortest quine for RProgN2 is {`{.}{ which I've named the looping quine.

I feel like we might benefit from some other place to host our rules. meta is just too cumbersome to be convenient. I don't want to have to become a lawyer and pore over lots of posts to make sure my answer is valid

But I also have «` . (With a leading space) which technically works.

If you mean my proposed "definition" - I would think it works better then any of the alternatives so far

One nice thing about the meta is that you can support any ruling if you search enough

I've been trying for some time to make the shortest expandable quine.

The buggy nature of « and { in RProgN2 (Which is now a feature :D) has helped me on this journey.

Question: Should var be pronounced to rhyme with "bar" or "air"?

bar.

Actually; To STRAWPOLL!

I'd say air, since it sounds like variable

strawpoll.me/13023324

definitely bar

How do you pronounce "variable"??

Proposal: migrate all rules from meta to strawpoll

v - air - ee - able, although the shortened version, I still pronounce v - are

@ATaco wtf is vair

@HelkaHomba TIL pirates go aaiiirrrr

jif

jraphic interchange format

ANZAC Astralia

An Acronym doesn't use it's root word's pronunciation.

minimal shell- the s shell

To clarify, ANZAC is Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, Although ANZAC is pronounced with A like apple, Australian is pronounced with an O like August

@ATaco that doesn't count: that comes from a diphthong

It's not the point, the point is that an Acronym does not require to be formed from it's words.

@HelkaHomba heresy

Although I agree that it should be pronounced with a hard g, I don't agree with the reasons behind it.

well obviously jif just sounds kinda dumb but anyway

If you want a good and definite reason, it's because English is stupid and we don't care about what the original people say it should be pronounced.

the has two ways to be pronounced, depending on context, which doesn't appear to have official rules.

@ATaco I think it's just inflection

@ATaco I thought the official rule was: like "thee" before vowel or for emphasis, like "thuh" otherwise

^

Once again, my point is is that this language is stupid.

In fact I was just thinking emphasis

@ATaco emphasis is an important part of language!

I am aware.

minute and minute are different based on emphasis.

@ATaco nope, those are homonyms, not emphasis related

that's how it typically works out, tho its not official. I've heard "thee" used to emphasize the one-ness of an object, and "thuh" used in passing, as in, "Well, I was walking over to thuh airport when all of a sudden, thuh ambulance was in front of me"

I think "the" has three pronounciations

Hm I don't think it has three

minute and minute are pronounced rather differently.

See. Two pronunciations

1: regular thuh, 2: emphatic THE object 3: thE ambulance

Oh, you mean 2 is a stressed version of 3, but the same "ee" vowel, right?

@ATaco not what I argued

I wouldn't count that as different pronuniciations

@LuisMendo but 2 is rather distinct from 3 in usage

But same vowel

2 is a different usecase is my point

Usecase != pronunciation :-)

ok now you're just trying to win

No, maybe I got you wrong. I thought you were talking about ways to pronounce "the"

rather than use cases of "the"

also, stress is not the same thing as pronunciation

^

A homonym is like can and can which are pronounced identically.

the difference between minute and minute are not emphasis

That may be correct, but they are not homonyms.

I think I've proved pretty well this language is annoying though.

I think you are confusing homonym and homophone?

Homophone is pronounced the same with different spellings.

yea

Is "smartphone" pronounced "iPhone" or "android device"?

also I still think the go-to english stupidity is that we can't agree on a gender neutral singular third person pronoun

@ATaco homonym is spelled the same but not pronounced the same

ergo they are homonyms