The Nineteenth Byte

Pavel

8:00 PM

Is there a meta post stating regex is a valid language?

Wheat Wizard

@ConorO'Brien Is there an online interpreter of BrainCurses available anywhere?

wat

Wait, WHAT?

S3 is out?

mınxomaτ

Amazon's stock is a better status page.

Pavel

@wat Everything is on fire, yes.

wat

omg aws

AdmBorkBork

8:03 PM

@Pavel Dupe

wat

go up pls

Poke

@Pavel require('http').createServer(function(r,s){s.writeHead(418);s.end()}).listen(80‌)

i don't actually know node

maybe that's golfable

but it's 80 bytes and listening on port 80

so there's that

oh yeah people beat me pretty bad on the link timmy posted

gg

betseg

@Pavel nc -lp"HTTP/1.1 408"

TuxCopter

8:19 PM

Do anyone know an esolang which use a non-cartesian coordinate system?

Kritixi Lithos

Ask polar bears

AdmBorkBork

@TuxCopter Self-modifying code count?

betseg

@KritixiLithos Or penguins.

TuxCopter

@AdmBorkBork What would make self-modifying code non-cartesian?

Kritixi Lithos

@TuxCopter btw, I'm thinking about creating an esolang that relies on vectors on a graph (real-complex plane) to calculate stuff

AdmBorkBork

8:22 PM

@TuxCopter You can get non-Cartesian instruction paths because of how the code was modified on the fly. That's all.

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg Wait, I messed up on my pun. I thought that the real-complex plane was non-cartesian, so I said "polar bears". But nvm, it is cartesian

TuxCopter

@AdmBorkBork The instruction pointer still uses cartesian coordinates

AdmBorkBork

Yeah. Hence my question.

TuxCopter

ah

Anonymous

@TuxCopter Hexagony?

wat

8:24 PM

Does anyone else want to help with Tomato

TuxCopter

@Mego Yeah

AdmBorkBork

Cubix, too, then.

Kinda.

LliwTelracs

Beeswax?

TuxCopter

Wow, the AWS outage is affecting a lot of sites

Sherlock9

Could someone ping me? I'm trying to check if my sound works and videos aren't giving me sound at the moment

TuxCopter

8:32 PM

@Sherlock9 k

Sherlock9

Not on Youtube, not on the Rooster Teeth site, not when playing videos on my system

Oh there's a sound

So that's strange and inconvenient

betseg

@KritixiLithos I said penguins because a) penguins live at the pole and b) tuxcopter is a penguin and c) a penguin can understand a penguin

AdmBorkBork

@TuxCopter Oh, not a non-Cartesian coordinate system, but Prismatic is pretty cool.

wat

8:46 PM

@Sherlock9 wat

@Sherlock9 try an mp3

Sherlock9

Good call. Also doesn't work

Or VLC could be buggy. I'll try another player

DJMcMayhem

But pinging does?

Sherlock9

And Discord voice chat, which I used earlier

Really inconsistent, huh?

Wheat Wizard

I am Trying to design golfing language meant to perform really well on restricted-source type problems, but I don't have a lot of experience making golfing languages and was hoping to get some help.

DJMcMayhem

What features are you thinking of that would help with restricted source?

Wheat Wizard

9:02 PM

@DJMcMayhem Instead of having set symbols that map to set functions you define a group size. Each operation is then that amount of characters probably the sum of the ASCII code points mod the number of instructions.

I have a few other features in mind

but thats the big one

Pavel

@WheatWizard What language are you writing the interpreter in?

Business Cat

That sounds cool

Wheat Wizard

I started in python (barely) but I wasn't really sure I wanted to continue

I don't really know many high level programming languages. Pretty much just Python and C++.

Pavel

I know Java and Mathematica, so I probably can't help you out there.

Riley

@WheatWizard You could have command line flags that cycle the value that corresponds to each instruction. So if the easiest way to make an instructions is forbidden, you just make a different combinations of characters mean that instruction.

Wheat Wizard

9:11 PM

@Riley I want to avoid putting things in command line flags as much as possible. I do have instructions to cycle the intructions both ways for that purpose exactly

Luis Mendo

Or use consecutive differences between (code points of) source chars to encode the instructions. But that's probably sort of cheating

Wheat Wizard

You can also change the token size on the fly

Riley

@WheatWizard I like that better.

AdmBorkBork

@LuisMendo Huh, that's a funky method.

Luis Mendo

:-)

This also reminds me of OOO

The BF-related lang

Pavel

9:14 PM

Did AWS unbork itself or is this a temporary success I'm having?

Wheat Wizard

Here is a gist with all of the instructions I am considering so far.

Pavel

Why do you need a dedicated nop command?

Also, nop and not are both NO

LliwTelracs

Clearly not does nothing.

Wheat Wizard

@Pavel I find it can be really useful to have a noop so that you can fulfill requirements without doing anything. Also nice catch

AdmBorkBork

> Hand to hand combat has no place in warfare. To engage in hand combat in war, first one must lose one's gun, knife, vest, helmet, shovel, find a clear open space without a loose stone in sight, and then find another idiot who has done the same. source

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Pavel

9:25 PM

tio.run/nexus/bash#@19RkVKDBf//DyQA

ATaco

Save time, buy a new printer

TuxCopter

@Pavel @Downgoat goat abuse eleven

Pavel

I had to install three separate packages to connect my laptop to my printer.

Christopher Peart

Hello

Just don't let Downgoat know how many goats you sacrificed

Pavel

Don't worry, one of the packages had a node dependency for some reason, so it's guaranteed goat-friendly.

Christopher Peart

9:33 PM

XD I miss the days of USB printers

Why can't we have USB printers that support Bluetooth. That would work

Pavel

When did you have to deal with USB printers?

TuxCopter

@ChristopherPeart USB printers still exist ... ?

AdmBorkBork

@ChristopherPeart That doesn't even make sense.

Christopher Peart

@Pavel When I was younger. We still have one. They are super nice

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork Yeah, Bluetooth makes everything worse.

betseg

9:36 PM

Imgur gives 502 wtf

Pavel

@betseg Imgur is powered by AWS iirc

Christopher Peart

@AdmBorkBork Bluetooth so your phones can connect

@TuxCopter yes and no. I don't think any are being made right now

Pavel

@ChristopherPeart As I recall, USB printers were harder to set up, because the printer and the computer I was printing from were in different rooms, so I had to connect to the printer through an old, ancient desktop built in the nineties.

betseg

Wifi so both your phones and computers can connect

Pavel

Still a pain to set up, but less of a pain to set up.

Christopher Peart

9:37 PM

@betseg Good idea

But I still want USB

@Pavel That is why you have a desk with the printer on it.

Pavel

@ChristopherPeart That's what's standard

@ChristopherPeart I have multiple computers and don't want multiple printers to deal with.

Christopher Peart

@Pavel Ah. Makes sense. betseg had a good idea

AdmBorkBork

@ChristopherPeart Sure, but that has zero to do with USB

Christopher Peart

Idk why they need drivers these days... that take the sacrifice of several goats and installing node

@AdmBorkBork True. It is like frontend running on Windows ten and backend on a gamecube

AdmBorkBork

I don't even know what you're trying to say. Bluetooth and USB are two different types of I/O interfaces. Parallel, serial, and Ethernet are others.

DJMcMayhem

9:41 PM

Does anyone remember that SEDE query that shows which language you have used to answer before?

Christopher Peart

@AdmBorkBork Nevermind I am bad at analogies

Poke

pretty sure bluetooth printers exist

Pavel

I think so to, but they're not really widespread.

Christopher Peart

AdmBorkBork

@ChristopherPeart What?

Christopher Peart

9:48 PM

Had to get off for a sec

That is a legit email i sent (in blue) and legit response

Remember the response if from a 40+ year old male.

Priceless

Pavel

When you are older, you will realize how cringy that email you sent actually is.

Poke

I don't find it cringy. It's pretty neat that he's almost an eagle scout

Pavel

Becoming en eagle scout is cool

Christopher Peart

@Pavel I was bored and needed info

Poke

At least he spelled things correctly. I've looked back on some of my communications in the past and the cringiest part is when I use texting abbreviations

Christopher Peart

9:53 PM

I always am trying to estimate ages and @Pavel I have floated between 20-35 years old on you

Poke

txt u l8tr ;)

Pavel

People like who replied are amazing. If I received an email like that, I probably would mark it as spam before getting half way through, I can't even hold a proper conversation with people in the grade below me without being really condecending and considering them immature

Christopher Peart

I can't stand emails with texting abbreviations

Pavel

Which makes me fear that what I'm like now would completely not pass what I'll be like in a year.

@ChristopherPeart Yeah no I'm fifteen.

Christopher Peart

@Pavel HAH youngin

Poke

9:55 PM

Just wait until you're in the industry

you get to interact with people younger than you, older than you, attack helicopters, men, women, people of different races. it's all great fun

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Pavel

I'm a bit scared.

Christopher Peart

Attack helicopters?

AdmBorkBork

On the Internet, no one knows you're not an attack helicopter.

Pavel

I can't even get through movies with children in them sometimes.

Christopher Peart

@Pavel Oh don't be. Just wait till you join us old people (not like i am that old)

Pavel

9:56 PM

You're joining the Eagle Scouts, so you're 12, right?

Christopher Peart

@Pavel PG movies always seem to have one plot. Kids find treasure, adults who a klutz show up. Kids win

@Pavel Uhh way older. Older then you

Sherlock9

@Mego Question out of the blue: Have you been available for Factorio at any point in the last month?

Christopher Peart

Eagle scout is the highest rank in boy scouts

Pavel

@ChristopherPeart Wut, I thought Eagle Scouts was a thing for kids

Sherlock9

I haven't really been available and I'm not certain when next I can play again

Christopher Peart

9:58 PM

@Pavel No boy scouts starts at 11 and ends at 18. Earning the eagle scout is huge.

LliwTelracs

average age for eagle scouts is now 17.34 years old

AdmBorkBork

@Pavel Maybe you're thinking of Cub Scouts?

Pavel

Probably, I never joined any of these clubs.

Christopher Peart

Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America)

Eagle Scout is the highest achievement or rank attainable in the Boy Scouting program of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA). The designation "Eagle Scout" was founded over one hundred years ago. Only four percent of Boy Scouts are granted this rank after a lengthy review process. The requirements necessary to achieve this rank take years to fulfill. Since its founding, the Eagle Scout rank has been earned by more than two million young men. Requirements include earning at least 21 merit badges. The Eagle Scout must demonstrate Scout Spirit, an ideal attitude based upon the Scout Oath and Law, service...

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Not really. A combination of seeing friends I haven't seen in ages, work, and in-laws spontaneously visiting have kept me busy

Christopher Peart

9:59 PM

@Pavel Try organizations lot more work then a "club"

Sherlock9

@DJMcMayhem Oh, and I got my sounds to work again. Needed to restart my computer

It's often the simple solutions that you don't try first

Pavel

I kind-of assumed your age after seeing that email, it sounds like you're 12 or playing DnD.

And it's not the latter.

Oh god, I'm awful at this.

Christopher Peart

:P

Sherlock9

@Mego Fair enough. I might consider playing again in late March if everything's died down on my end

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Honestly I'm more interested in playing after the next update

Sherlock9

10:01 PM

There's an update coming?

Christopher Peart

@Pavel But you have to read closely. It is actually a well written email but just written very formal and with the eloquent prose of the late 1500

Sherlock9

Hang on, let me find the news page on their website

Pavel

I'm not afraid to tell people I'm fifteen, but my greatest fear is that people will think that I act like I'm fifteen.

It's... silly.

Christopher Peart

@Pavel You don't act 15 :P you act more like 20 most of the time

Anonymous

@Pavel In the vast majority of cases, fifteen-year-olds act like fifteen-year-olds. It's quite surprising, I know :P

Poke

10:05 PM

@Mego You're blowing my mind

Christopher Peart

@Poke yah

Pavel

Anyway, I have to go and pick up my dignity.

4

o/

Anonymous

The biggest sign of a lack of maturity is the inability to recognize when one's contributions to a conversation are unnecessary, and that they would be better off doing more listening than speaking. That's a constant issue when trying to find gaming groups online.

Christopher Peart

@Mego Wow. That is actually kinda deep. Then the end makes it relateable

I always assumed Dennis is an immortal all knowing sentient thing

Anonymous

Trying to play games online with young kids is a nightmare most of the time. They are often more interested in talking about what their friends did at school than planning and communicating relevant to the task at hand.

Anonymous

10:09 PM

Some of the best experiences I've had while gaming is when everybody is silent 80% of the time - only talking when necessary, or between encounters. Those are the ones who effortlessly fly through challenges.

Poke

Mego, every play ArmA?

Anonymous

@Poke Nope. Milsims aren't my style

Pavel

Well, turns out I still have a while.

Poke

Pavel I just realized your avatar is the logo from Dirty Bomb

Pavel

And... just as I say that, I don't.

@Poke Yes.

Poke

10:12 PM

I've been thinking it's the white supremacy triskelion for the last month

Pavel

bahahahaha

Poke

google image search saves the day

ASCII-only

@Poke reddit.com/r/Dirtybomb/comments/3q2p50/…

DJMcMayhem

Fun stat I just learned about 5 minutes ago: V has 140 answers from 12 users

Pavel

10:30 PM

@Poke Anyway, best game evar, pls play.

Christopher Peart

VS corrupted all of fluff

Pavel

(By pls play I mean we really, really need more people to play our game before it dies because Splash Damage doesn't want to spend a cent on marketting)

flawr

in CHATLAB and Talktave on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Andras Deak

Code golf, the one area of life where guys compare whose is smaller.

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ATaco

I've still yet to see code-bowling implemented well.

Christopher Peart

Anyone know how (on windows) to get the Alt+## to be UTF 8?

ATaco

10:40 PM

Alt-Codes send Character-Codes, not bytes.

Sherlock9

The thing about real life bowling though is that its rules provide a maximum score, 300 points. You can't add to the score by "padding it out" because there's no other actions to add points, where in the usual code bowling question you can just add bytes.

My theory is if there were only a few ways to add characters such that there was a maximum score, code bowling could work

But this is also 5 am brain talking, so your mileage may vary with this idea

Destructible Watermelon

the thing is is that in bowling you want to knock over as many pins as possible, not bowl as much as possible

so having code bowling analogous to code golfing is flawed

Sherlock9

What about a hybrid? Use as many characters from your language's encoding as possible, but the shortest overall code?

ATaco

I find that easy to abuse.

Christopher Peart

yeah unary

ATaco

10:45 PM

print("Hello World")//therestofuft-8

Destructible Watermelon

codebowling should really be: in some amount of bytes achieve as many goals as possible

Christopher Peart

Or BF

Destructible Watermelon

that actually makes sense related to bowling

Jan Dvorak

@DestructibleWatermelon chars that produce most values in 1..120?

Conor O'Brien

CNR code bowling could work better--cops make bowled submissions, robbers remove characters

ATaco

10:47 PM

robbers*?

Destructible Watermelon

I still think the codebowling analogy is flawed

Conor O'Brien

@ATaco indeed

Destructible Watermelon

I mean, they didn't call it code cricket for example, but both still want as many points as possible

Riker

@flawr r/birdswitharms

and they have a recurring problem: people submitting things that should go here instead, in r/peoplewithbirdheads

ATaco

Code Bowling CnR that already exists

Laikoni

10:50 PM

Also related cops-and-robbers

I liked the idea of this one, but the challenge initially wasn't written too well.

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Riker

@DJMcMayhem ooooh

@Pavel ;-; windows only

Pavel

@Riker I know, it's the only reason I still dual-boot with Windows.

Riker

my friend plays it and loves it though, I'll definitely get when/if it's available with mac

@Pavel and also I learned dark souls is windows only also ;-;

so I'll prolly end up dual booting soon >_>

Conor O'Brien

windowsmasterrace

Christopher Peart

10:55 PM

@ConorO'Brien True

Destructible Watermelon

*nixlikekernelmasterrace

Pavel

@Riker Likely not soon, the game is in kind of a shaky spot right now. Gameplay is fun, but there are lots of bugs and still no proper matchmaking.

Conor O'Brien

don't put words in my mouth ಠ_ಠ

flawr

@Riker already subbed :)

Pavel

Really small dev team, not a lot of funds.

Riker

10:56 PM

@flawr lol of course you have

@Pavel and apparenlty the anti-nexos or something shit right?

since the game broke away from publishers, friend told me about that

Pavel

@Riker Nexon used to be the game's publisher, Splash Damage got the game back and now has to maintain their own servers and stuff.

Riker

ah

Pavel

On the other hand, we have an anticheat now, which is nice.

Riker

lol

vac is shit but it keeps out a good portion of hackers

Pavel

Nexon contractually obligated them to use NGS, which is shite.

Riker

10:58 PM

@DJMcMayhem how'd you get V to pipe keystrokes to vim?

TuxCopter

Dirty Bomb seems cool but I can't download it as I'm on a mobile connection :/

Riker

:(

Christopher Peart

Anyone know how i can type the jelly code page in visual studio 2015? I have been searching the web for a while and can't figure out how

I tried saving as UTF-8 but that doesn't change what you type

TuxCopter

@ChristopherPeart why would you type Jelly code in VS

pls

Christopher Peart

I am not typing jelly :P

I typing the jelly code page for Fluff

TuxCopter

11:01 PM

> how i can type the jelly code page

Today I got 40 spam emails

Christopher Peart

I am not coding jelly

TuxCopter

wow

Riker

@TuxCopter how many are from nigeria

TuxCopter

@ChristopherPeart If you need a way to type Unicode characters use WinCompose and a Unicode search

@Riker Surprisingly, 0. Only casino viagra for some reason.

Riker

O_O

ATaco

11:04 PM

Just checked my Spam, According to the FBI I won $7,400,000 Dollars.

Which is only slightly strange as I'm an Australian Citizen.

TuxCopter

Even worse: My spam filter visibly gave up as no email is filtered

Hopefully the spammed email is not my primary one

DJMcMayhem

@Riker github.com/neovim/python-client

Riker

@Riker also if you find this offensive let me know and i'll remove it, please don't flag me

Conor O'Brien

@Riker that's weird af and I'd remove it to be safe

Riker

> you have 2 seconds left for editing

oh well

just chat to move it offscreen ;;p

DJMcMayhem

11:08 PM

Let me know if you want something trashed

Riker

if you could move everythign from teh pic down including this that would be nice

DJMcMayhem

I could move the pic

Mobile is stupid

Riker

yes pls

DJMcMayhem

→ 1 message moved to Trash

Christopher Peart

Wait riker did that actually happen?

Riker

11:11 PM

no clue

ask imgur

OP said its' real but idk

Christopher Peart

ok making sure it wasn't you who said that thing

Riker

ye

Destructible Watermelon

I think my HecksomeOverlord bot will navigate by sticking to a wall, navigating around it, then moving to another wall, so that it can make some progress to find the flag

Riker

@Pavel

Does "Levenshtein distance will be measured in UTF-8 characters" mean that the edit distance is computed between strings of Unicode codepoints (and the "UTF-8" is a red herring, since in this sense it doesn't matter whether you use UTF-8, UTF-16, UCS4 or something else)? — Sami Liedes yesterday

never responded to this, prolly just got lost in teh ping flood

Pavel

@Riker Yes, Unicode and UTF-8 blend togather in my mind

Can you make that edit for me please? I'm on my phone right now.

Riker

11:17 PM

prolly edit + comment then

@Pavel sure

Pavel

Thanks

Riker

done

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Riker

@NewMainPosts ded

Riker

11:51 PM

@Pavel lol I'm the second youngest here still then

I thought you were my age, 14

ATaco

@NewMainPosts I think we need a big ol' message on the Submit Question button that says "Hold on, Are you looking for StackOverflow?"

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