The Nineteenth Byte

2:00 AM

no, there's reason

the reason being it's offensive

ಠ_ಠ

I try to avoid political discussion in chat in general, so I was cautiously and slowly writing to a response while other conversions continued

ATaco

For example: try seaching Stacked, RProgN, some other things I guess.

Maltysen

@Riker o_O

wow I say pyth a lot

Pavel

@ATaco n->{java.util.Arrays.sort(n);return n[n.length/2];}

Helka Homba

CMC: Given an int N >= 0, output quar followed by N ta's. e.g. 0->quar, 1->quarta, 2->quartata, 3->quartatata

ATaco

2:02 AM

Can there be arbitrary whitespace between Quar and his tatas?

Helka Homba

no

Maltysen

@HelkaHomba +"quar"*"ta

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel My point was more that given the endless Trump mocking that happens in here and on the internet in general, if someone was offended by that, they wouldn't feel comfortable sharing that

Pavel

print('quar'+'ta'*int(input()))

Helka Homba

Sorry btw @quartata...

ATaco

2:03 AM

RProgN, 13 bytes "ta"*"quar"\.

Pavel

Incoming full java program, gimmeasec

@HelkaHomba Can we assume N<256?

Helka Homba

ok

Pavel

interface g{static void main(String[]a){String o="quar";for(int i:new int[new Byte(a[0])])o+="ta";System.out.print(o);}}

Helka Homba

:35726140 Where do the "ta"s come from? (nevermind?)

Pavel

I always forget print is golfier than println

Downgoat

2:09 AM

Question: Should GitGoat/GoatHub use a dark theme? Or should it use standard iOS theme (light theme)?

Pavel

@Downgoat Light theme, since it's more standard, and add dark theme in as a setting down the line.

Destructible Watermelon

@HelkaHomba Turtlèd, 18: "quar"?::{ 'al'tl}

Downgoat

@Pavel It's gonna have to be one or the other :P themes aren't so simple in iOS

ATaco

class j{public static void main(String[] a){System.out.println("quar"+((new String(new char[Integer.valueOf(a[0])])).replace("\0", "ta")));}}

Overly long Java.

Pavel

@ATaco Regardless of everything else, you can remove whitespace still.

ATaco

2:11 AM

Meeeh.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ATaco use java 8 interfaces

Pavel

Also, why Integer.valueOf and not new Byte?

Mistah Figgins

&"rauq"#;,,<"ta"-1@k!: Befunge 98 (haven't tested yet, on phone)

ATaco

Would new Byte work for 10?

Destructible Watermelon

wait it turns out I had already made the check of teams before

Yay past me

Pavel

2:12 AM

10 is less than 256, so yes.

tio.run/nexus/…

ATaco

I did not know that.

Destructible Watermelon

> 2017
> Pavel: 10 is less than 256
> ATaco: I did not know that

9

Pavel

Either way, Integer is the longest class with a usable valueOf method`

Mistah Figgins

Oops

&"rauq"#;,,<"ta"-1@k!:; missed a ;

Destructible Watermelon

I will try!

nice!

Try @MistahFiggins Befunge-98 solution online!

Mistah Figgins

2:18 AM

Thanks

Destructible Watermelon

If I make a programming language after 💿 it'll be called hecksome

So for the cells, I'm thinking I'll format it like this:

Pavel

@DestructibleWatermelon Wut is that character

Destructible Watermelon

@Pavel optical disk

Pavel

So the language is called... optical disk.

Destructible Watermelon

well, maybe it'll just be called disc

><> isn't pronounced "greater than less than greather than"

Pavel

2:23 AM

Submit here either way.

Destructible Watermelon

there

TBH I might mess up and not make it

Pavel

CMC: implement bogo sort

Destructible Watermelon

additional CMC: do it in a decidedly nontrivial language; one that doesn't have builtin pseudo random number generators, or any normal way to swap values

wat

@Pavel ruby: ->a{until a.each_cons(2).all?{|a, b|(a<=>b)<=0}?} {a.shuffle!}}

Destructible Watermelon

@Pavel prolly a dupe of a site question

wat

2:34 AM

Where is the time capsule spreadsheet?

Pavel

n->{Random r=new Random();int i=n.length();while(n.stream().sorted().collect(java.util.Collectors.toList()).equals(n))java.util.Collections.swap(n,r.nextInt(i),r.nextInt(i));}

@wat docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

wat

thx'

Destructible Watermelon

@pavel thoughts on my suggested formatting of maze cells?

Pavel

Ok, not anything to complain about.

Guys? n.stream().sorted().collect(java.util.Collectors.toList()).equals(n)

Destructible Watermelon

might go ahead an implement that

Pavel

2:36 AM

How to check if an ArrayList is sorted in Java.

Destructible Watermelon

I dislike bogosort algorithms that sort the list to check at each stage if the list is sorted

Pavel

So do I, but there isn't a shorter way to do it.

And it requires a for loop, not a statement, so it ends up being just obscenely long.

I suppose I could use Guava

wat

Tomato Language where commands are formed as consonant/vowel pairs

Is my idea good?

Pavel

Yep

Better idea than WSF

wat

basically there would be 40 unique operations and 12 unique actions

and then those would be combined

also, a polyglot between Waldo and some of the other ones sounds impossible

Nathan Merrill

2:40 AM

@Pavel list has a built-in sort

n.sort()

Pavel

I can't really modify the original array, can I?

Destructible Watermelon

wait I meant to write three there not 4

Nathan Merrill

so, simply pass it into an array list

Pavel

And it would be n.sort(Integer::compare), but that's not the point.

Nathan Merrill

I'm pretty sure Integer implements comparable

new ArrayList<>(n).sort().equals(n)

Pavel

2:42 AM

How does the ArrayList, on which you are calling sort, knows what elements are inside of it?

Nathan Merrill

oh! actually, list.clone() works

Pavel

For all the compiler knows, it has Objects inside.

Nathan Merrill

@Pavel I believe it tests to see if the objects implement comparable

its pretty standard practice to test for the Comparable interface

Pavel

So, if I call a sort without parameters on an Object arraylist, it's a runtime error and not a compiler error?

Nathan Merrill

I just looked at the interface

yeah, it requires a parameter

which is lame, because other classes test objects to see if they implement comparable

Pavel

2:45 AM

And throws runtime errors otherwise?

Nathan Merrill

yeah

Pavel

That seems kind of un-java-like.

Nathan Merrill

like, TreeSet, for example

Pavel

Well, yeah, it's a Tree

Nathan Merrill

right. If you pass in un-comparable objects, or no comparator, it throws an error

you could make the same argument for a sort functions

Destructible Watermelon

2:47 AM

@Pavel Implemented that way of botlooking

Pavel

I thought Tree was implemented as Tree<T implements Comparable> as opposed to ArrayList<T>, so it would be a compiler error to define a Tree that takes Objects.

Nathan Merrill

nope

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Q: Minesweeper Wars

We've had problems to generate minesweeper games. We've had problems to solve these minesweeper games. Now... It's time to battle other people on a minesweeper game! Your program must be run in Java. Essentially, each player can do an action every turn. You may move one space left, right, up,...

king-of-the-hill

Nathan Merrill

that wouldn't work if you want to pass in objects that aren't natively comparable

but you want to pass in your own custom comparator

wat

why not just ruby

Pavel

2:54 AM

@NathanMerrill Right. But then it has a custom comparator it knows about, which is why you don't need to pass one into sort.

Nathan Merrill

right, but that doesn't work with <T implements Comparable>

because you wouldn't have a T that implements it

hence, the run-time error

anyways, n.clone().sort(Integer::compare).equals(n)

user165474

Wait, we actually have a [minesweeper] tag?

wat

minesweeper

user165474

Hm. Interesting.

Pavel

@NathanMerrill Oic, creating the TreeSet can runtime error, but Sort will work fine. Yes?

DJMcMayhem

3:08 AM

@HyperNeutrino yup! And apparently I'm the highest voted minesweeper challenge asker of all time, haha

Downgoat

Any feedback on this prototype activity view's design?

user165474

@DJMcMayhem Nice. How many minesweeper questions are there?

user165474

oh, 11. Hm.

user165474

I wonder what the most used tag is. I bet code-golf

Pavel

@Downgoat What does the star signify?

Downgoat

3:13 AM

@Pavel Star in this case signifies that a certain repo was starred. (text is all placeholders for now). Example would be "Downgoat starred cheese/cheddar"

Pavel

Looks nice

If you can tap on it to expand, you can put a kind of gray arrow to the right of each card indicating that.

Downgoat

that's an interesting idea

Though since it's an activity view, my idea was clicking on it will take you to the applicable repo

Pavel

Like imgur.com/WXk35UF but less shitty

And smaller

Downgoat

ah, a chevron

Pavel

Not quite, a chevron is a proper polygon.

It has width and stuff

I wasn't sure the best way to describe it

Downgoat

3:19 AM

Idk, Xcode calls it a chevron

it's basically a line though

Mistah Figgins

I guess it's a chevron with 0 or small width

Pavel

Yeah

But without knowing what Xcode calls it, "0-width Chevron" isn't very descriptive or helpful.

ATaco

CMC: Given two numbers, a and b, read a as binary b times. EG. if b = 3, and a = 10, 10 in binary is 1010, which in from base 10 to binary is 1111110010, one more time is 1000010001110100011000101111010 to make 3.

user165474

@ATaco What does CMC stand for?

ATaco

Chat Mini Challenge.

user165474

3:24 AM

Oh okay. Thanks!

Destructible Watermelon

also hasn't that been done before? on site even?

Pavel

Boston Dynamics came out with a new robot, and it's kinda cool: imgur.com/gallery/jV8L20Q

ATaco

Probably.

user165474

a = input()
for i in [0] * input():
    a = int('{0:b}'.format(a))
print a

user165474

(Whitespaces can be cut down a bit if wanted)

Downgoat

3:27 AM

@Pavel wow, the jumping part was impressive

user165474

@ATaco 65 bytes with unnecessary whitespace removed

Mistah Figgins

Too bad Flobnar doesn't have a means of getting integer input

Destructible Watermelon

@MistahFiggins you can get char codes like BF prolly

Mistah Figgins

I know, but reconstructing numbers is no fun :(

Destructible Watermelon

I mean, 64 as @

Pavel

3:29 AM

Character code is valid I/O

Mistah Figgins

Oh, that would be better, yeah

Ok then

Cool

@ATaco can we assume that b > 0?

And take input in either order?

ATaco

Yes and Yes.

Pavel

The binary representation of negative numbers gets a bit iffy

ATaco

2s Compliment or bust.

Mistah Figgins

> <, not <=

But yeah

wat

3:33 AM

CMC: Flobnar and BF polyglot to output 2**64

Pavel

That doesn't seem too hard.

Just leave the BF code out of reach of the Flobnar code.

wat

s/bf/wsf

Pavel

How do tabs interact with Flobnar?

wat

no idea

Mistah Figgins

They don't, or badly, don't know

> As you've probably noticed, I've referred to the character set as ASCII in this entire document. I actually mean "printable ASCII" -- control characters and whitespace (aside from space and linefeed) are not defined, and (except for specific cases addressed in this document) an implementation is not expected to load them into the playfield. If at some point Flobnar is ever extended into the realm of Unicode, source files will be expected to be encoded in UTF-8.

Pavel

3:37 AM

So WSF might not work

Destructible Watermelon

well, actually

it just says it doesn't have to load them in

Pavel

well, actually
I just said WSF *might* not work

wat

well, actually

might work

because actually ignores tabs (I think)

Mistah Figgins

But seriously though...

wat

u jelly

Pavel

3:40 AM

@MistahFiggins Pun intended?

ATaco

Nah i pyth

wat

@ATaco I'm a bit pyth'd off

Pavel

50 internet points to anyone who makes a pun with "Half-broken car in heavy traffic"

Mistah Figgins

Maybe something to do with Hasbro

Nvm, maybe something to do with Hasbro

wat

@Pavel heavy traffic, so you mean the traffic is not underloaded?

Pavel

3:43 AM

...
I don't get it

wat

Underload

esolangs.org/wiki/Underload

Pavel

What does underload have to do with HBCHT

DJMcMayhem

Is anyone here familiar with GML?

Mistah Figgins

@wat That was punderwhelming

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem What's that?

@MistahFiggins THANKyou

DJMcMayhem

3:44 AM

Game Maker Language

wat

@MistahFiggins ok, that was so bad it was almost a punishment

Mistah Figgins

I thought it was punny

Pavel

I opened Game Maker once

Did not enjoy

wat

I think I need to punch you

Mistah Figgins

Whether or not you meant to make a pun, you can always say "pun intended" (which is in itself a pun on unintended)

DJMcMayhem

3:46 AM

Like spelling 'dammit' correctly -- with two m's -- it's a troll that works best on the most literate.

wat

@MistahFiggins you're being a punk?

Pavel

punintended

ATaco

punintentional

Pyrrha

someone who makes these is a punderkind

Mistah Figgins

Y'all need to spot before the mods put us in virtual punitentiary

wat

3:48 AM

They'll punt us out

Mistah Figgins

They just don't punderstand us

wat

I think I'm using too much punctuation.......................

Pavel

DjMcMayhem is here, and no one's been suspended, which means he approves, so this is fine, QED.

wat

grep -E "^pun.+" /usr/share/dict/words

Help me design Tomato!

Pavel

@wat Pls post results, TIO doesn't have the words file

wat

3:51 AM

:35727550 punch
punchbag
punchbags
punched
puncheon
puncheon's
puncheons
puncher
puncher's
punchers
punches
punchier
punchiest
punching
punchline
punchlines
punch's
punchy
punctilio
punctilio's
punctilious
punctiliously
punctiliousness
punctiliousness's
punctual
punctuality
punctuality's
punctually
punctuate
punctuated
punctuates
punctuating
punctuation
punctuation's
puncture
punctured
puncture's
punctures
puncturing
pundit
punditry
punditry's
pundit's
pundits
pungency
pungency's
pungent
pungently

Mistah Figgins

can't really use puny and the like though

Pavel

Most of the rest are fine

Mistah Figgins

might want to do grep -E "^.*pun.*" /usr/share/dict/words

Pavel

That might be too long to paste into SE chat.

Mistah Figgins

@wat What is the general idea behind it?

wat

3:54 AM

acupuncture
acupuncture's
acupuncturist
acupuncturist's
acupuncturists
compunction
compunction's
compunctions
contrapuntal
contrapuntally
cowpuncher
cowpuncher's
cowpunchers
cyberpunk
cyberpunk's
cyberpunks
expunge
expunged
expunges
expunging
finespun
homespun
homespun's
impunity
impunity's
keypunch
keypunched
keypuncher
keypuncher's
keypunchers
keypunches
keypunching
keypunch's
nonpunishable
pun
punch
punchbag
punchbags
punched
puncheon
puncheon's
puncheons
puncher
puncher's
punchers
punches
punchier

@MistahFiggins Alternating consonants and vowels form commands. It will be a stack based language

Mistah Figgins

Stack based like Bepunge?

wat

I don't know

ATaco

Now I really need to know what a Cow Puncher is.

wat

also, kek

ATaco

Oh, It's a synonym for Cowboy.

Pavel

3:56 AM

Is <space> supported?

wat

ignored except in string literals.

Pavel

How do string literals work?

sfoobars?

wat

No, they would be "foobar"

Helka Homba

Poll: Most exciting tech we're on the cusp of?

Pavel

@HelkaHomba Blocked for me, what are options?

Mistah Figgins

4:01 AM

>Self driving cars
Space travel to moon, mars
More & more immersive virtual reality
Ubiquitous drones (for delivery, even transport)
Internet of things / smart devices
Commonplace 3d printers (like a household appliance)
Crazy applications of carbon nanotubes
Other

Helka Homba

^

Pavel

Put me down for Self-driving cars, I'm banking on not needing to get a driver's license

wat

I actually want to get a drivers license

Mistah Figgins

I have to decide between realistically on the cusp and awesomeness

Helka Homba

I'm banking on never needing to own another car if self-driving fleets becomes cheap and easy

@MistahFiggins What do you mean?

Mistah Figgins

4:05 AM

Mars (I'm guessing >=5 years) or drones (~1 year)? One is cooler, but one is more "on the cusp"

And, it's hard not to just check them all

Helka Homba

yeah

Not sure if 3D printers as an appliance would ever really catch on, but would be nice

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Where I am, we measure it in meters. There isn't any though...

Pavel

@Dennis Isn't South America supposed to be warm and sunny?

wat

@HelkaHomba 3D printers are actually pretty cool.

Very useful and fun.

Riker

@Pavel some of us are already almost there -.- imma be pissed if learning how to drive stick isn't needed

@Pavel yeah, in addition the fact it's the middle of summer there :P

Dennis

4:11 AM

@Pavel Very warm and very sunny, at least where I live.

Ironically, Tierra del Fuego (lit. fire land) is another story.

Riker

let me guess

is it on fire?

Helka Homba

Tierra del Fuego = "land of fire" I guess

Mistah Figgins

Hell, Michigan, isn't literally hell...

So I would guess that it's not literally on fire

Dennis

@Riker Not at those temperatures. It snows in the summer.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis hehe

Riker

4:14 AM

@Dennis lol

DJMcMayhem

Hey, it can be pretty warm here too. It's been like 15 C this week :P

ATaco

It's 30 C today.

I would like this to stop.

DJMcMayhem

It is 0 C and very windy right now, with snow on the forecast tomorrow

Pavel

@Dennis Oh, when you said "There isn't any", I thought you mean "right now"

Dennis

It's 1:15 AM, I'm sitting below a ceiling fan in the hurricane setting, and I'm still sweating.

@Pavel I was just pointing that feet are something you put in your shoes here.

DJMcMayhem

4:19 AM

Ugh. I don't think I could handle that. What's the ambient temperature?

ATaco

RProgN2 is much harder to read than its father language, I'm so proud.

205
`N=
{`x@s`y@0y’2xšR{x\%0e{y‘[1y’}?};y‘¬}`P=
{`G@s`y@0y’1{y‘`Y=YG{Y0}{Y1+y’1}?}:}`f=
{`n@nN>nP&}f

Find the next prime larger than 205

Pavel

@Dennis As a metrically-minded person I have to agree with that sentiment.

@ATaco Is there not a golfier way?

ATaco

Probably.

But I wanted to also use the fact that I can write a prime function and a "Find the first number that satisfies" function.

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem ~30°C (I think) with 90% humidity (again, guessing). I should go back inside to my A/C.

And I should buy a thermometer.

DJMcMayhem

30 C doesn't sound that bad, but that's because the humidity here is usually like 30%

ATaco

4:24 AM

30C is hot for me, but I'm down in Victoria AU.

Pavel

The record temperature here is 33 degrees. It was annoying, but not unbearably so.

Dennis

Well, it's 1:30 AM, so there's still room for improvement.

wat

Does anyone else want to help me design Tomato?

Pavel

@Dennis Oh god, how high does it get at noon?

Wheat Wizard

@wat What is Tomato?

ATaco

4:28 AM

$205
1+`y=1{0`z=2yšR{y\%0e{1`z=}?};z¬{y0}{y1+`y=1}?}:

Moderately golfed version

Dennis

@Pavel We'll see. There's a decent chance of thunderstorms today, so it might not get too high. I hope they fixed the roof in my office though. My desk had a little lake last Friday.

wat

@WheatWizard docs.google.com/document/d/…

Pavel

@Dennis Aren't they worried about electronics being damaged?

Dennis

@Pavel At least I am. Took one look at my workspace and went straight back home... Our building is getting a third floor, so everything's kind of a mess right now.

Pavel

Ah, makes sense why the roof would be leaking.

Dennis

4:32 AM

Roof? Which roof? :P

Helka Homba

I wonder how much longer a smartphone (or tablet or laptop) could last if manufacturers stopped focusing on thinness and made the device .5cm thicker all with battery

5

Pavel

Like, days

Helka Homba

By my rough calculation, something like a Samsung Galaxy S7 could go from 12.705Wh to 38.4Wh (= ~9974mAh at 3.85v instead of 3300)

wat

Just make it, like, iPhone 4S thickness

Wheat Wizard

Is there a consensus on how Turing machines are scored for code-golf?

Pavel

4:44 AM

@WheatWizard AFAIK no.

If you ask on meta, also ask about formal grammars.

Wheat Wizard

I think I'll just do TM I feel that formal grammars will have a significantly different scoring method

Pavel

Alright then

Downgoat

5:00 AM

@HelkaHomba who says to stop at batteries? Someone tell Jonny Ive to return my USB 3 port :P

Helka Homba

I've heard the iPhone 9 won't even have a screen

Mistah Figgins

@HelkaHomba What?

I mean, at least it might fit in your pocket...

Downgoat

iPhone 10: We have reinvented the iPhone our of existence. Box only contains headphones

Helka Homba

@MistahFiggins Just a joke about how apple likes to remove features, like a headphone jack

Mistah Figgins

Silly me

Helka Homba

5:05 AM

Unless it will actually be iBrainBeam...

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba you jest but never forget that once apple legitimately released an iPod without a screen

Mistah Figgins

"This time, the USB port goes in your head!"

I will probably not even consider purchasing anything that apple plans to connect directly to my brain. It is Apple, after all

Helka Homba

@Downgoat convince them to make an iGoat

3

Mistah Figgins

I'm tempted to write an interpreter for flobnar...

So that It makes it easier for Dennis and just because I guess

I like how the operations always work vertically, it makes it harder

Destructible Watermelon

5:23 AM

@WheatWizard find a TM interpreter, then measure the program you have to give to that interpreter

@MistahFiggins include integer io!

Pavel

@MistahFiggins Do it, if you write in in Java I could even help out.

Mistah Figgins

That's what I would do

Maybe string mode/character quoting

wat

@Downgoat I have a few iPod Shuffles

seshoumara

5:44 AM

hello everyone

For the infinite non-periodic output question, is a bash solution that counts integers be valid?

Because after 2^64 increments it wraps around to 0 and goes up again thus making it repetitive.

Or is it allowed based on the limitation of that data type? I see a lot of counting answers there.

Anonymous

6:30 AM

@seshoumara That sounds like a question to ask the challenge author

wat

Basic Tomato cheating quine is Voy

mınxomaτ

7:17 AM

Amazon is almost too enthusiastic about their "Morning Express". I just took delivery of an order from yesterday ... this morning at 5:45 am.

wat

Who here has designed an esolang?

Please help me!

docs.google.com/document/d/…

DJMcMayhem

@wat That's actually a really awesome idea

wat

Thanks

DJMcMayhem

I have no ideas for it, but it sounds cool

Is it supposed to be golfy?

wat

Kinda

All operators are one character, there must be at least one modifier but there can be multiple

There is also o modifier which is a no op

Emigna

7:23 AM

What's the difference between a function and a command? As I understand the text a singel consonant can be a function while 2 consonants followed by a vowel is a command.

DJMcMayhem

If it wasn't supposed to be golfy, I'd say that digits and string literals must be alternating also

mınxomaτ

Ah yes no-ops. The esolang designer's excuse for not implementing a proper parser :D

wat

@Emigna ?

DJMcMayhem

(For example, 12 is a valid number literal, but 11 isn't. To print "Hello" you have to use the string literal "Helol" and swap the last two)

wat

Every consonant is a function. A command is a consonant and one or more vowels.

You cannot chain consonants.

@DJMcMayhem I don't really like that idea.

Emigna

7:25 AM

@wat " a pair of a consonant and a vowel"

wat

ugh, english is hard.

Emigna

Clearer now :)

wat

Was originally going to be one modifier per function.

You can always add in your operator ideas. I can accept suggestions.

DJMcMayhem

@wat That's fine. That's why I was wondering if it should be golfy or not. If it was supposed to be a tarpit, or painful to use that would be interesting, otherwise a pain.

I might take that idea (or a slightly different idea) for myself though

wat

Not supposed to be a tarpit.

Kritixi Lithos

7:36 AM

@Dennis It's behaving very weirdly. Sometimes it doesn't change the x-clipboard text, other times it changes it to my normal clipboard content

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