The Nineteenth Byte

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:00 PM

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ github.com/RikerW/Keyboard-Layouts

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 The key is to keep the first letter non-smallcaps I think.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I don't know about conor's though.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

I mean, for all I know you could be referring to any WordPress/Bootstrap site

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman yeah, wordpress/bootstrap make everything look the sameish.

mınxomaτ

You got the point.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:00 PM

hey @Cyoce

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Oh no, no linux one?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

no

but try it?

El'endia Starman

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ Exhibit A, exhibit B.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I don't know enough about the linux syntax, but it might be all *nix.

El'endia Starman

But yes, Wordpress/Bootstrap are the main offenders.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:01 PM

blog-phinotpi.rhcloud.com

apple.com

El'endia Starman

I thought Bootstrap was a great idea when I got a taste of it in a web dev class, but now I'm not so sure because I immediately recognize it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

compare

@El'endiaStarman yeah

mınxomaτ

Worst offender here are the Google developer sites. Yes, nice material design, but I can't scroll any of them with more than 20 FPS on a mid range laptop...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

like developers.google.com?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@mınxomaτ For me it's social networks

mınxomaτ

2:04 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Eh, I meant support, not dev. Something like: support.google.com/sites/answer/100283?hl=en

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh yeah, i don't really like that design

mınxomaτ

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ At this point I just use j/k for navigating facebook (if I really have to use it).

El'endia Starman

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ That at least makes sense since it's a blog, and Apple at least did it better.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman yeah

wordpress seems to be kinda annoying

mınxomaτ

HTML5UP proves you can do pretty fancy designs without compromising performance.

El'endia Starman

2:05 PM

Wordpress was designed for blogs, not websites. Trying to make it work for websites was a mistake, I believe.

mınxomaτ

Wordpress mutated into a gigantic PHP monster. It's quite literally the cancer of the web by now.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Phi can you help me with my CA? I don't know what to do for it :/

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ@Upgoat Maybe (s)he wants to join our smallcap ranks again, though.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

he

and idk

@Upgoat join the ranks of small caps for the sake of interblag cookies?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

i.stack.imgur.com/qGXFV.png On the right I have some icons hidden!

Upgoat

2:09 PM

Can't, 30 day limit

El'endia Starman

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ Why did you search for "biting myself"? o.O

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Some user avatars have been replaced by text.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I saw

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ nice array of browsers

Upgoat

Also I don't wanna be dong

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Upgoat Change your username on a new site

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@El'endiaStarman Not a problem with chat, I have them hidden in Q&A also.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:11 PM

@Upgoat but but but interblag cookies?

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ adblock?

Or ghostery, it did it to me until I allowed facebook social graph and gravatar.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yeah, although some show up regardless of ABP or Ghostery!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hm

What other extensions do you have?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Ghostery is not a problem here :(

Nathan Merrill

@MartinEnder why did you change your name?

:/

mınxomaτ

He got married.

Nathan Merrill

2:18 PM

I was going to message you about something more important, but now I'm just distracted

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@NathanMerrill Martin Büttner might be a reason.

mınxomaτ

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ What?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

Although it should not be, unless the first letter is untypeable.

mınxomaτ

No, he really got married. That wasn't a joke.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@mınxomaτ Oh.

@Upgoat Downgoat was better, especially Dᴏᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:23 PM

^

mınxomaτ

^^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

s/\^+/^/

Upgoat

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ >:| Are you saying Dong is better than Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

Nathan Merrill

the real question we should be asking is: If all 4 current mods are still active on PPCG ten years from now, will @MartinEnder promise to change his name back?

Upgoat

@NathanMerrill why would he?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

2:25 PM

@Upgoat Do you see squares on your browser???

Nathan Merrill

@Upgoat you know, following the trend :)

May 27 at 5:12, by Helka Homba

@AlexA. If all 4 current mods are still active on PPCG ten years from now I promise to change my name back to Calvin's Hobbies

Upgoat

Dec 27 '15 at 20:08, by Dennis

@NathanMerrill but Calvin is his real name, obviously, in this case

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill I'm not planning to get divorced, so probably no...

Nathan Merrill

it was a joke :)

Martin Ender

so what did you actually want to ask? :P

Nathan Merrill

2:26 PM

anyways, @MartinEnder I hope I didn't wake you up, isn't it nighttime there

Martin Ender

it's 4:30pm

Nathan Merrill

um...what do you think of a "How to write a puzzle question"

mınxomaτ

@NathanMerrill It's 4 pm

Nathan Merrill

ok, nm

levanth

4:27pm to be exact

Nathan Merrill

2:27 PM

on the main site

Martin Ender

what do you mean by puzzle question?

like the giraffe one?

Upgoat

13 hours ago, by Upgoat

Halp, how to make joke about mashing potatoes and monster mash

pls

Martin Ender

(codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/12188/8478)

Nathan Merrill

for example, if we take Sudoku as an example

there are like 4 different types

"Solve a sudoku puzzle", "generate a sudoku puzzle", "determine if a solution is valid"

and I forgot the other one

but a puzzle has a starting state, a finishing state, and a set of valid transformations from state the start to the finish

also, I should probably say Congrats :)

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat HULK MASH! ...potatoes.

mınxomaτ

2:30 PM

Ha, UCL has an "Extreme Citizen Science group". Badass name for a research group.

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill thanks :P

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

TimmyD

Monster mashed potatoes. Like regular mashed potatoes, but green.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ After I allowed Gravatar.

Nathan Merrill

anyways, I really like writing puzzle questions (I have one solidifying in my head right now), and I was wondering if we could use a "Tips on writing a puzzle question"

(where I would add an answer: Determine the type and avoid these problems with each type)

Martin Ender

2:32 PM

I think the consensus on challenge-writing questions was "don't make general tips questions, but ask specific answerable questions"

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@NathanMerrill "Tips for golfing in" questions are for code-golfing tips.

Martin Ender

(we had a "tips on writing koths" which inspired this discussion and that one was closed as too broad)

13

A: Should questions about challenge-writing be on topic?

Yes, on main, but... We should treat them like regular Stack Exchange questions. Does it ask for a potentially endless list of answers, or cover so much material that you could imagine writing a book about it? If so, it is too broad. Does it solicit opinions? If so, it is primarily opinion bas...

Nathan Merrill

hmmm, ok.

Upgoat

@TimmyD +1

Martin Ender

a general "guide to writing puzzle-based challenges" might be great content for a blog though (hint @Doorknob)

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

2:35 PM

@MartinEnder That seems to be deleted.

Martin Ender

what is?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ hm

Martin Ender

it ended up being migrated to meta: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/8900/…

Nathan Merrill

ninja'd

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@MartinEnder +1

@MartinEnder Shorter link: //meta.ppcg.lol/questions/8900

Nathan Merrill

2:37 PM

@MartinEnder I was reading the transcript, and I didn't see any reasoning why you chose to take her name. If its personal that's fine, but I'm curious (as it is out of the norm here)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Which would you rather have? A hard to pronounce for non-native speakers (and nonspeakers) or a different one?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ What mınxomaτ said.

mınxomaτ

what

Nathan Merrill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ that may be the reason, but it isn't necessarily be the reason. I have a couple of friends who are quite fond of the difficult-to-pronounce surnames

their*

TimmyD

I like my surname, but I get tired of correcting people

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

2:41 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's not hard to pronounce, just hard to proounce for non-native speakers based on the spelling

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

that's what I said.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@TimmyD What is it?

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill pretty much what Riker said. I didn't really like my last name but really like my wife's, plus, having the umlaut in the name is super annoying for anything international/online. Taking the wife's name is definitely less common than the wife taking the husband's name in Germany as well, but either way is possible (among a few other options).

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ "D", but people always spell it "Dee"

Fatalize

@MartinEnder Had you already published papers that used your previous name?

TimmyD

@MartinEnder Plus, you get a cool username of mender

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

2:46 PM

@MartinEnder o.O

Martin Ender

@TimmyD ...implying there's a single online community of reasonable size where that isn't taken yet :P

TimmyD

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ I'd prefer not to list it here, but I don't hide it.

Martin Ender

@Fatalize I'm a co-author of 5 publications, but none of them in my current field of research so it didn't really bother me.

TimmyD

@MartinEnder Sorry ... xXx-MeNdEr4748-xXx

Martin Ender

beautiful

Fatalize

2:49 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Büttner is easy to pronounce though… the ü might be a bit tricky if your native language is English but other than that…

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ :P

wizzwizz4

Did you know how easy it is to make links to Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Exchange?

I can do it really, really quickly with my moddiness.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 Everyone knows. >_>

wizzwizz4

Oh.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@Fatalize Like "Biuttner" or "Büttner" or "Buettner" (His 2nd recent name).

Fatalize

2:50 PM

I don't

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Fatalize Ender is more easy though

mınxomaτ

> more easy

Fatalize

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ "more easy" gasp

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I can grammar.

wizzwizz4

@Fatalize [so] makes Stack Overflow. [meta.se] makes Meta Stack Exchange. [codegolf.se] makes Programming Puzzles & Code Golf.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

2:51 PM

@wizzwizz4 [ppcg]

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 It's not mod-only.

wizzwizz4

@El'endiaStarman I know. I was joking.

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ No, [codegolf.se].

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@El'endiaStarman Who said that? Also, [sf] makes Server Fault. [mo] makes [mo].

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@wizzwizz4 oh, til Stack Overflow

TimmyD

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Today you learned Stack Overflow? Wow, you read fast.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:56 PM

...

TimmyD

:D

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@wizzwizz4 MathOverflow [mathoverflow.net]

Upgoat

@wizzwizz4 can you kick-mute other mods? ( no reason )

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Nope.

wizzwizz4

@Upgoat No (reason).

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

2:57 PM

Mods cannot be kicked / suspended.

wizzwizz4

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 No, they can't.

MathOverflow is an exception to the rule.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@wizzwizz4 I would have liked it not to be an exception of that rule.

mınxomaτ

I don't get why the mo.com redirs to mo.net. Why not just use the .com

wizzwizz4

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ So would I.

@mınxomaτ -.(o.o).-

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@mınxomaτ To differ I think?

wizzwizz4

3:01 PM

Was MO a SE1.0 site?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@wizzwizz4 I desparately want a full list of independent SE domains, although that might be impossible without research...

@wizzwizz4 ???

wizzwizz4

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ Didn't mean to reply.

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat ...why did you ask them and not me? o.O

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@El'endiaStarman You are not the only one to exist! o.O o.O

wizzwizz4

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ O.o 0.o

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:04 PM

@Upgoat no they can't.

wizzwizz4

@echo off
cls
start golfing
exit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I asked thaddeus howze in mos eisley.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@echo off
cls
start golfing
rem never exit!

wizzwizz4

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ That's really weird.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 What does it do?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

3:07 PM

@wizzwizz4 Yeah, I replied with multiline code (backticks).

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Is it your startup batch script? :3

wizzwizz4

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ Markdown is ignored on multi-line posts.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@wizzwizz4 How did you type your code?

@wizzwizz4 <code>?

wizzwizz4

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ I didn't put a reply at the beginning.

And indented with 4 spaces.

chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@wizzwizz4 You made my message uneditable and undeleteable.

wizzwizz4

3:09 PM

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ No, 2.5 minutes did that.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hey we are #2 on the most populated rooms

El'endia Starman

For now.

Also, you can't see the actual #1 most-populated room.

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@El'endiaStarman To me it is the first popular.

El'endia Starman

You're not a mod. You literally can't see the room.

Err...my statements should not be taken as fact or evidence that said room exists. <_<

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@wizzwizz4 That mod sandbox! Yeah!

TimmyD

3:14 PM

Chat mini-challenge: Given two distinct inputs meaning "left" or "right", output ASCII [A-Z] sorted alphabetically but only the "left" or "right" sides of the QWERTY keyboard. Meaning, for input corresponding to "left" output should be ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ, for input corresponding to "right" output should be HIJKLMNOPUY

code-golf

El'endia Starman

Python 3: print("ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ"if input()else"HIJKLMNOPUY")

Geobits

^

wizzwizz4

@TimmyD I just noticed; The top row should be two spaces further left.

Nathan Merrill

@MartinEnder cool :)

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@El'endiaStarman Darn, I was trying to say the same in Pyth!

wizzwizz4

3:17 PM

@El'endiaStarman Python 3: print(input()?"ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ":"HIJKLMNOPUY")

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@TimmyD Python 2, 49 bytes:print"ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ"if input()else"HIJKLMNOPUY"

Nathan Merrill

I also really like the name Ender. Reminds me of a great book.

TimmyD

@wizzwizz4 ?

Geobits

@NathanMerrill The Jungle Book?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 The ternary operator has only words.

wizzwizz4

3:18 PM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 :-(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You've been absent recently. I figure still the infection, but get well soon!

Nathan Merrill

Ender's game

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 Python doesn't have the ? : ternary operator.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@El'endiaStarman ninja'd

Oh look, my name is almost spelt correctly!

El'endia Starman

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I said something subtly different than you did.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:19 PM

@NathanMerrill but what about xenophile?

levanth

bash:
case "$1" in
"left") echo "ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ" ;;
"right") echo "HIJKLMNOPUY" ;;
esac

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

zy...bin101. :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

do you need the "$1" or would $1 work?

Nathan Merrill

you mean Xenocide?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@levanth case $1 in, left, right, ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ, HIJKLMNOPUY

@levanth remove every "

levanth

3:21 PM

@EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ ah thank you, I am quite a beginner in bash-scripting

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@NathanMerrill wtf autocorrect

and yes

El'endia Starman

Little Fibs - Numberphile

►

Great name for this card trick.

wizzwizz4

@zyabin101 Why have you gone sᴍᴀʟʟ ᴄᴀᴘs?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@levanth also, shorten the input cases.

case $1 in
0) echo ABCDEFGQRSTVWXZ ;;
*) echo HIJKLMNOPUY ;;
esac

levanth

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ~~isn't $1 the variable for the inputs?~~ I see

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

3:26 PM

@wizzwizz4 wɪᴢᴢᴡɪᴢᴢ4 is applicable (note the 1st letter is a lowercase w).

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@wizzwizz4 I had to join the fad.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

why the first one?

You don't need to make it easy.

El'endia Starman

No fads are ever mandatory!

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@El'endiaStarman Ikr.

But why not?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:27 PM

my face isn't mandatory either, but it also isn't a fad. :/

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@El'endiaStarman See that image? (hope you're not Numberphile)

El'endia Starman

Um....what about it?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

@El'endiaStarman the expression on his face.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Also, why $ for variables?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 to tell them apart from strings/keywords?

Eʀɪᴋ ᴛʜᴇ Gᴏʟғᴇʀ

3:34 PM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 What Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ said.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ @Eʀɪᴋ Ikr.

But why the sigil for shell scripting variables was chosen to be $ and not &, @, ~, etc.?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 & is fork, ~ is home directory

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

And @?

TimmyD

Sigil (computer programming)

In computer programming, a sigil (/ˈsɪdʒəl/) is a symbol attached to a variable name, showing the variable's datatype or scope, usually a prefix, as in $foo, where $ is the sigil. Sigil, from the Latin sigillum, meaning a "little sign", means a sign or image supposedly having magical power. In 1999 Philip Gwyn adopted the term "to mean the funny character at the front of a Perl variable". == Historical context == The use of sigils was popularized by the BASIC programming language. The best known example of a sigil in BASIC is the dollar sign ("$") appended to the names of all strings. Many BASIC...

It's basically all Perl's fault

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

> Larry Wall adopted shell scripting's use of sigils for his Perl programming language

> The use of sigils was popularized by the BASIC programming language

TimmyD

3:39 PM

Yep. All Perl's fault.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 @ doesn't do anything

levanth

Are new Questions to Codegolf automatically posted here?

El'endia Starman

Yes.

levanth

And new Answers to the Sandbox in Meta?

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

MD5 from Profile Link Write a function that prints the MD5-Sum for your profile name derived from your profile link!. For example: My profile link is http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/31373/levanth so the program must be able to get levanth from the link and calculate the MD5 of it. Spe...

levanth

3:44 PM

Ah there it is ^^ see you later I am driving home now

TimmyD

@levanth chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/240/…

El'endia Starman

@levanth I love the fact that your question was immediately answered by the bot. :P

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@levanth But what about names with spaces?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@levanth Yes.

@levanth We have bots that periodically post new questions in main, new answers to the sandbox in meta, new questions in meta, and new answers to the "loopholes forbidden by default" question in meta.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Wait we have a loopholes bot?

TimmyD

3:55 PM

And supposedly a bounty bot, but I don't think it works right

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ You won't believe it, but yes‌.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TimmyD Apparently not

TimmyD

Jan 11 at 17:49, by Dennis

y u no work bounty bot

PhiNotPi

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ And it has an MS Paint drawing of a card up a sleeve.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@PhiNotPi Like how the Newly Featured Questions bot has rickroll as its about text and +600 as an icon?

PhiNotPi

4:06 PM

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ Yep, illustrated by yours truly.

New Main Posts

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Q: How much change needed?

Background: Sometimes John likes to go out for lunch but isn’t sure of exactly how much more money he needs for lunch. John likes to bug his co-workers for change if he’s ever short. John would love a tool that would be able to calculate this without having to use a calculator (He forgot his, da...

TimmyD

@NewMainPosts This sounds suspiciously like a homework question.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Dennis You can't just import the bot or something from here?

Dennis

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ That's what I did. It isn't working.

I should probably file a bug report.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@Dennis yeah

TimmyD

4:10 PM

feature-request working bots

PhiNotPi

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Are you criticizing my Wordpress theme?

levanth

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ regarding spaces, I'll clarify that in my question

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Speaking of criticism, why in the world are the "Next" and "Previous" buttons swapped? o.O

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman They're not swapped, they're just different.

People who read Arabic probably don't think they're swapped.

Looks like I had a rush of visitors overnight (or this morning), like 6 or 7.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@PhiNotPi 0/10 you didn't use relative links

levanth

4:21 PM

Hm I hope this clarifies enough

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

so everything's pointing to the rhcloud site

PhiNotPi

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ trust me, I'm aware

I also don't know how to get Wordpress to use relative links.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Why does WordPress even have XML-RPC

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@PhiNotPi No. I like it, just very similar to a lot of other wobsites.

Less cursive, more coding

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No way

Not everyone is supposed to be a progammer

levanth

4:35 PM

Btw @MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ @EʀɪᴋᴛʜᴇGᴏʟғᴇʀ sorry for not writing your names in my question the correct way

El'endia Starman

> Playing the original Super Mario Bros helps develop fine motor skills, for example, but requiring school children to play that game 15 minutes a day would be an (admittedly awesome) waste of time.

Super Mario Bros 3, on the other hand, would not be a waste of time at all.

Fatalize

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I don't even understand why you learn both cursive and script

Just learn cursive only

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Wouldn't something like Quake be a lot better for fine motor skills?

levanth

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ What about surgeon simulator :D

Fatalize

what's the point of learning non-cursive, it's slow and ugly

levanth

4:41 PM

@Fatalize it's easier for children to recognize non-cursive writing

At least with the latin alphabet

Fatalize

recognizing non-cursive when you know cursive is trivial though

and the amount of extra-work to learn non-cursive is pretty low

El'endia Starman

Ugh, the comments. "Old historical documents were written in cursive!" Yes, and there are copies of them in text form. "I use cursive all the time as a graphic designer!" Not everyone is a graphic designer. "How will people sign their name?!" ...a signature is basically all muscle memory, and it can be just about anything. "Why not teach kids how to type?" ...they already know, because of the super-abundance of keyboards.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

El'endia Starman

The question of which programming language to teach is a good one though.

Fatalize

First one is the worst

"Right, because anything from /before/ the computer age is obsolete, too right? Like, oh, I don’t know… The Declaration of Independence? The Constitution?"

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

4:42 PM

@El'endiaStarman C#/Java/Python

levanth

Back in middle school we started with Karol and Java

Fatalize

As if the American constitution had not evolved since the 18th century

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Karel = horrible

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman yes it wouldn't

levanth

It's Karel in English? We had a program called Robot Karol and it was in german including the statements and everything

muddyfish

4:47 PM

is cursive like joined up writing?

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize The commenter almost certainly meant the original document + the Bill of Rights.

@muddyfish Usually slanted too.

muddyfish

ok

Geobits

Yay, my first answer in six+ weeks :)

Fatalize

@Geobits And you chose Java... poor soul

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Geobits

I nearly always do. I wouldn't have even bothered answering if the existing Java answer was more golfy.

I'd have commented, but it really needed a totally different approach than the one dhje was using.

levanth

4:49 PM

@Geobits as you said it's a string manipulation approach

I just thought about this... Do I have to pick an answer for my challenge some time or is it allowed to be open ended?

Geobits

For a golf it's usually good manners to eventually accept one. Some set time after you stop getting answers I guess.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE seriously, amazing dubstep

levanth

@Geobits Okay I'll remember, thank you

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@levanth This?

@levanth Wait, apparently not, but it looks very similar

levanth

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ apparently the german site for Karel on wikipedia links to Robot Karol

Geobits

4:55 PM

@levanth They're all generally open-ended, though. New answers can still come in, and if they beat the current accepted one, you can change the mark over.

levanth

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ If you switch from english to german you will see Robot Karol instead of Karel

@Geobits but won't be questions closed after some inactivity?

Geobits

Nope

Questions only get closed if they have issues.

Now, once it's been marked with an accepted answer, sometimes activity slows down on them, but they're still open.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@levanth Yeah, but Karol is in 3D

levanth

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ its still just turnLeft, turnRight, pickUp and so on just in german

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ