The Nineteenth Byte

R. Kap

6:00 AM

I love computer science.

Alex A.

I find it incredibly difficult to give more than a shit or two about bits

R. Kap

I basically love anything that has to do with mathematics or science.

Alex A.

I love math and the natural sciences

@QPaysTaxes An evening well spent

Fatalize

why'd you do programming then?

Kenny Lau

> Great minds waste time alike —PhiNotPi

Alex A.

6:01 AM

@Fatalize Who, me?

Fatalize

yes

R. Kap

@QPaysTaxes You just described be late at night when everybody else is asleep.

It's just way too satisfying accomplishing difficult tasks

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@Fatalize Wait Conor?

Fatalize

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Conor is 15 or 16

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Oh. I didn't know that.

Alex A.

6:03 AM

@Fatalize I like problem solving and writing code. Software development (or the watered down version of it that I do) doesn't require all that much knowledge of computer science, really.

Who is Conor?

Conor O'Brien

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Uses small caps

Perks of being in a different timezone, I get to see you all say stupid shit when you're tired

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:03 AM

There are so many smart kids that are way younger than me on here it makes me feel less smart.

R. Kap

Oh, Conor

Fatalize

@Quill or when Geobits is drunk

Alex A.

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Now imagine how I feel being 10 years older than most of them :P

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

And I thought quill was 19, but apparently I'm wrong.

Sp3000

@R.Kap Ahaha sorry, that wasn't my intention. I just meant the 440 one has so many lambdas even doing string replacement then evalling would save bytes, so it just makes me wonder what's possible.

Quill

6:05 AM

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ I've got the assholability level of a 19yr old

Fatalize

TBH I don't think getting so into progarmming this young is that great

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@QPaysTaxes Pun?

Alex A.

@Fatalize Why so?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Eh. I'm not a poetry nerd, so I wouldn't know.

Fatalize

@AlexA. might miss on other interesting topics when choosing what to study

Kenny Lau

6:05 AM

How do I use matrix power to calculate Fibonacci numbers?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

I was 15 when I started programming.

Alex A.

@KennyLau [1 1; 1 0]^n

Or something like that

Kenny Lau

Thanks

my brain is closed atm

Alex A.

I could be remembering that incorrectly but it's somewhat approximately kind of similar to being correct

Sp3000

@QPaysTaxes Do you mean homonym or are you looking for a different word?

Quill

6:06 AM

Homonyms

Goddamn it @Sp3000 you ninja

Sp3000

I had to google to make sure I didn't mix it with any of the other homo*s :P

4

Alex A.

@Fatalize I think that's true of any other subject that one gets interested in at an early age.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@Sp3000 Those homo*s are hard to differentiate.

Fatalize

@QPaysTaxes antanaclasis?

Sp3000

I mean other related words beginning with homo, like homophone

R. Kap

6:08 AM

@Sp3000 I actually took the challenge very literally, basically finding the distance between each pair of coordinates, and then the midpoint of those segments, and then the point on the equilateral triangle created using that side such that the point is the maximum distance away from the point it's supposed to connect to. Finally, I find the intersection of two of those 3 segments.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Suuuuuuure you did.

Alex A.

Suuuuuure...

Oh, drawn out sure ninja

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. Ninja'd!

It took me so long to figure out what ninja'd meant.

I was really confused for a very long time.

Alex A.

It means you speak Japanese, move silently, and assassinate people

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Yeah, but I already do that.

R. Kap

6:09 AM

I am really glad I got interested in computer science now. I love it.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

New profile pic.

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes 四百二十燃やせ。

R. Kap

@QPaysTaxes Yes, yes it is.

Fatalize

I knew I wanted to study CS when I was 20

Alex A.

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Dude looks like a hotdog with limbs

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:10 AM

Hey, I didn't draw him. Don't judge!

Alex A.

hahahahaha

what

Where did you get that??

Goggle Turnslat

Quill

@AlexA. 2 out of 3

Alex A.

I have my I on U

Sp3000

Quill can move silently and assassinate people? Well we're screwed.

Fatalize

@Quill When will you learn Japanese?

Alex A.

6:14 AM

Quillさんは日本語を話す！

Sp3000

@QPaysTaxes Can't find anything sorry. The only other word I can think of is polyseme

Quill

I don't think true ninjas write JavaScript though... Maybe perl or Assembly

@AlexA. you kiss your mother with that mouth

Fatalize

@Sp3000 I already answered

Sp3000

@QPaysTaxes Well feathers tickle, when you get tickled you laugh, and... have you ever heard of laughing your head off?

R. Kap

What encoding is 四百二十燃やせ in?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:15 AM

@Quill Ewwwww, gross.

Mars Ultor

@Quill No, they write JS that runs faster than asm

Alex A.

@R.Kap Whatever encoding you're viewing it in

Mars Ultor

@QPaysTaxes wat

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

For the lazy: google.com/…

Mars Ultor

What translator are you using

R. Kap

6:15 AM

@AlexA. I mean, what unicode range is it in?

Alex A.

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ lel close I guess

Yes

Sp3000

@Fatalize ?

Fatalize

@Sp3000 Antanaclasis

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. Oh, that's hilarious. I honestly thought that was it for a little while.

Sp3000

@Fatalize Ah nice :)

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:17 AM

R. Kap

I am trying to create my own translator...

Alex A.

@R.Kap [22235,30334,20108,21313,29123,12420,12379]

Fatalize

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ angular shoulders, 2/10

Alex A.

Are you visually rating women? ...

Fatalize

who doesn't ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:18 AM

ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Uhhhhhh let me ask my girlfriend, she's way better at Japanese than I am.

R. Kap

...

Alex A.

She doesn't know

R. Kap

I know a bit of hindi...

Fatalize

Hello @AlexA. 's girlfriend

Alex A.

6:19 AM

1 min ago, by Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

ಠ_ಠ

Mars Ultor

translate.google.com/#en/ja/…

R. Kap

I know english...

That's it.

Alex A.

@Fatalize She says hi

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

I know just enough Spanish that I could sound like an idiot if I tried to speak it.

Alex A.

So... 0?

R. Kap

6:20 AM

I know hindi and english

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. Tell her Dr. Seuss says hi.

Mars Ultor

The translation should be at least 80% correct

Alex A.

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ She says "Alright, that's... cool..."

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

~~topkek~~ lol

Alex A.

What

@R.Kap That's neat. How did you learn Hindi?

translate: 自分の腕でこの入れ墨を持つ誰もが無知な外国人であります

(from Japanese) Should anyone have this tattoo on his arm with the ignorant foreigner

Beautiful

Sp3000

6:22 AM

Oh god that 誰もが is a train wreck

Mars Ultor

D: Bing translate is horrible

R. Kap

@AlexA. My parents are from India.

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Being Indian doesn't automatically make one speak Hindi...

R. Kap

They speak it all the time in the house.

Alex A.

Oh okay

Nice

@MarsUltor s/translate //

2

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:23 AM

^

R. Kap

Too bad high schools don't accept hindi as a foreign language though...

Mars Ultor

Downgoat is indian as well, IDK if he speaks Hindi

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes I guess. I know Korean people who have absolutely no idea how to speak Korean.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@R.Kap They don't? Wat?

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Parents from Korea, born in the US

Fatalize

6:23 AM

1/42th Korean-american

R. Kap

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Yeah, they don't. At least in California.

Fatalize

as in not Korean

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

huh. That's weird.

Alex A.

@R.Kap WOW. That's actually pretty shitty.

Mars Ultor

Probably because not many people want to learn Hindi maybe?

R. Kap

6:24 AM

It's either french or spanish...

Fatalize

Latin instead of Hindi

lel

Alex A.

When I was in high school we had Spanish, French, or Japanese.

I took Japanese

Fatalize

^ traitor

R. Kap

@QPaysTaxes And no hindi? Wow...

Mars Ultor

^^^^^^^ Pretty sure those are the most common

Alex A.

6:25 AM

@Fatalize I took French in college though :P

Sur le pont d'avignon

R. Kap

@AlexA. Yup...

Fatalize

Spanish is the easiest

Mars Ultor

At my school there's no Hindi because it's like Chinese, I guess. Too many native speakers and hardly anyone else wants to learn it.

Whoops misclick

Alex A.

@R.Kap To me it seems like if someone already knows a second language, it shouldn't matter what it is. Saying that it doesn't count because it isn't on some arbitrary list is just wrong. >:(

R. Kap

@AlexA. I could not agree more.

Kenny Lau

6:28 AM

The Chinese is wrong also... lol

Alex A.

Does the Chinese match the English at least?

R. Kap

@QPaysTaxes Oops...

Kenny Lau

There's a slight mistake in the Chinese version lol

sure

Alex A.

@R.Kap If you care enough to do so you could take it up with the principal and/or the school district.

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. But you could say that about Chinese

What's the difference?

R. Kap

6:30 AM

@AlexA. Well, luckily it's not required in 9th grade. However, I think it is in 10th grade and above, so I'm probably going to take it up with the school then.

Kenny Lau

But I don't even know the fourth character

Alex A.

@MarsUltor Say what about Chinese...?

R. Kap

The school year is nearly over anyways.

Fatalize

@R.Kap wait so you complain because you have to learn a second language even though you know Hindi?

Sherlock9

@AlexA. Wait, what are we mad about?

Mars Ultor

6:31 AM

@AlexA. Pretty sure hardly any schools have Chinese, and a lot speak Chinese

But Hindi and Chinese are commonly-spoken languages that not many non-native speakers want to learn, and also native speakers will have an unfair advantage

R. Kap

@Fatalize I already know a foreign language. Why do I need to learn another one?

Mars Ultor

@R.Kap Wait it's compulsory in senior high?

R. Kap

@MarsUltor Yeah, I think so.

Sp3000

That's almost like saying "I already know Python and Ruby, why do I have to learn C?"

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 R. Kap speaks Hindi. High schools in the US have a foreign language requirement, which means that they have to study a second language. In a lot of cases if a student already knows a second language they're exempt from having to learn another. But apparently at R. Kap's school, they don't accept Hindi as a second language, which doesn't make sense. It shouldn't matter what the second language is.

Fatalize

6:33 AM

@R.Kap why not... learning languages is always useful

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@sp3000 Not really though, because the school is forcing it.

Fatalize

i don't see why they shouldn't

Alex A.

I think the requirement is fine

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. Oh wait really?

R. Kap

@Fatalize But they say I need to know a foreign language, which I already do. Why are they forcing me to learn one in that case?

Alex A.

6:34 AM

@MarsUltor Yeah

Fatalize

I learnt both English and German simultaneously since age 11

and I didn't complain

Mars Ultor

@R.Kap You should probably ask the school why they don't accept Hindi first

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

FWIW, it could be because they don't have anyone that speaks hindi so they can't confirm whether or not you really do know it.

Alex A.

I'm not saying you shouldn't learn another language, I'm saying that it doesn't make sense for the school not to recognize Hindi as another language.

Mars Ultor

(unless you already know)

Fatalize

6:35 AM

^^^

R. Kap

But what really bothers me about this the most is that my language, hindi, is apparently rated below any other language. Why is that?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Not saying I agree with that, just playing devils advocate.

Fatalize

just pick Spanish, it's useful and easy to learn

Mars Ultor

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Can't they just get someone else from outside the school?

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Japanese is taught in school. Japan is the only country in the world that speaks Japanese...

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:36 AM

@MarsUltor I'm sure they could, but that would probably be a pain. It would probably also cost money.

Fatalize

Hindi is way more useful than japanese

Alex A.

I think the usefulness of any given language depends on where you are in the world and what you're doing

Fatalize

but Indians are way, way better at English than Japanese people so in the end you don't need Hindi

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Although, I still think it's ridiculous, and that it should totally count, I just can understand why they might not count it.

Alex A.

It's probably a hell of a lot more useful to know Japanese in Japan than Hindi in Japan

Fatalize

6:37 AM

and not all indians speak Hindi anyway

Quill

Also Japanese people code in Japanese which apparently makes them worse at it than English speakers as the language implementation is in English

Alex A.

@Fatalize ...

Mars Ultor

@AlexA. Because there are few Japanese native speakers in America and a lot of people want to learn it.

Alex A.

@Quill Japanese people code in Japanese? I'm pretty sure they just code in code...

Fatalize

@AlexA. Fact, English is basically a second native language for a lot of Indians

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

6:38 AM

@alexA Code is not a language.

Alex A.

@Fatalize It's widely taught in Japan as well

Fatalize

@AlexA. it is taught

not a language they use every day

unlike in India

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Definitely for worse. We should all be speaking Tatar.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Not this again...

Alex A.

?

Mars Ultor

6:39 AM

@QPaysTaxes It's not the most common language though

It's 1. Chinese 2. Spanish 3. English IIRC

Fatalize

Chinese isn't even a language

Alex A.

English is golfier than French. French has so many extraneous vowels. You'd think they'd have noticed that they can reduce their byte count significantly...

Fatalize

Mandarin is the big one

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Mandarin =/= Cantonese

Kenny Lau

There is so much more

Fatalize

6:41 AM

@AlexA. wat. They are much less extraneous letters in French than English

in English the extra letters are meaningless, not in French

Kenny Lau

Let's take the word "tea". In ~1600 (before the Great Vowel Shift), it was pronounced something like "teh"

tea in Mandarin and Cantonese are both "cha"

Alex A.

Bordeaux <-- do you really need all of those vowels??

Fatalize

well yeah

Kenny Lau

turns out it comes from Amoy?

Fatalize

eau is the /o/ sound

Kenny Lau

6:42 AM

Well, historical spellings are kept for historical reasons

Fatalize

queue => do you need all those vowels?

Alex A.

Should have been Bordo

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Reminds me of xkcd.com/853

Kenny Lau

at one time it was pronounced /eau/

Fatalize

^ nope

Queue in french: u mandatory after the q, eu is the /Ø/ sound, last e marks feminine

Queue in English: lol whatever

Kenny Lau

6:45 AM

everything was once pronounced

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Queue in English: "This is a French word."

Alex A.

kweewee <-- queue with every letter pronounced

Kenny Lau

the last "e" was a schwa

More details en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_French

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

No relation to kiwi

Fatalize

@KennyLau last e was never pronounced

Kenny Lau

6:46 AM

Well, except the "u" immediately after the "q".

@Fatalize Not in modern French

Fatalize

not in ancient french either

"From French queue ‎(“a tail”), from Old French cue, coe ‎(“tail”)"

Kenny Lau

It comes from Latin cauda > /ko:da/

the "d" disappeared very soon

the "a" became a schwa

hence coe /ko:ə/

the "o" then broke (vowel-breaking) into "eu" /ew/

/kewə/ > /køə/ > /kø/

Quill

@AlexA. the variables and functions are named in Japanese and some of them code in katakana or English which makes for broken standards

I had the privilege of coding VB with some IT club students in Japan last year

Sp3000

I feel like that probably depends on the specific coder, and whether they chose to code in Japanese or not. e.g. Hot Soup Processor's keywords are all in English, despite originating from Japan

Kenny Lau

@Fatalize See this

I posted that.

I quoted a book written in 1609

in which it says, the "e" in English "bodely", French "face", (Ecclesiastical) Latin "facere" were pronounced the same. I would assume that this is a schwa.

Fatalize

6:52 AM

@KennyLau homepage2.nifty.com/okadamac/old_french.pdf/PronAF_Aucassin.pdf

‹eu›, ‹ue›= /Ø/

Kenny Lau

espee [espeə]

Fatalize

cue [kØ]

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Adam7 is an interlacing algorithm for raster images, such as PNG. It is called the "Adam7" algorithm because it was invented by Adam M. Costello, and it is generated by following a certain pattern 7 times. One of the cool things about the Adam7 algorithm that makes it really fun for code golf, is...

Sherlock9

@QPaysTaxes Mandarin, Cantonese, Hakka, Hokkien are just the ones I remember

Hindi, Malayalam, and several hundred others in India

Kenny Lau

@Fatalize So, the Frenchmen just restored the "e" in light of Latin "cauda"?

Fatalize

6:55 AM

@KennyLau last table

cuer is pronounced kØr

kwØr*

Sherlock9

@AlexA. Simply awful

Kenny Lau

From Middle French queu, cueue, from Old French cue, coe, from Vulgar Latin cōda, from Latin cauda.

@Fatalize

Alex A.

Vulgar Latin?

E pluribus fuck

Kenny Lau

Vulgar Latin

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@Fatalize Then where does the final "e" come from?

Fatalize

@KennyLau There's a whole question about this word on French SE

Kenny Lau

7:01 AM

@Fatalize The final "e" was pronounced, just not in the "cue" variant.

I'm quite sure "coe" was pronounced /ko:ə/ or /koə/

Fatalize

I haven't found anything on the prononciation of oe

Kenny Lau

@Fatalize Because it wasn't a diphthong

Alex A.

Eh, sounds insufficiently vulgar for my tastes

Fatalize

@AlexA. Sunbather is not doing anything to me

Alex A.

D:

Fatalize

7:05 AM

:(

Alex A.

You liked the song Dream House though, didn't you?

Fatalize

liked it, didn't love it

Alex A.

Ah. That's too bad.

Fatalize

now your turn: Gris - Il était une forêt

Kenny Lau

@Fatalize The natrual reflex of Latin /kawda/ would be /kewə/ in Old French and /kø/ in Modern French

Alex A.

7:07 AM

@Fatalize That's an... unfortunate... logo they have

Fatalize

@AlexA. you read that youtube comment didn't you ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

Yeah, but I noticed it before reading the comments

That comment is pretty accurate tbh

I'm liking this so far

(logo aside >_>)

Fatalize

logo included, don't lie ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Alex A.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Fatalize

Black Metal logos are usually stupid and unreadable anyway

Alex A.

7:12 AM

One of the comments compared the riffs to Burzum which I don't hear at all

Fatalize

me neither

Alex A.

@Fatalize Murmuüre?

Fatalize

for some reason I really don't like that guitar sound

Alex A.

Oh which track?

Fatalize

first one

and I'm a guy that likes the guitar sound of Dunkelheit by Burzum

Alex A.

7:21 AM

You should listen to Amethyst

that's the song I remember from Murmuüre

it's been a while since I've listened to them actively

@Fatalize I'm pretty sure there's no guitar in that song. I think it's just the sound an amp makes when you leave it outside in the rain.

Fatalize

Singing level: Nazgûl

Alex A.

o_O

I hate Job for a Cowboy but I do love the scream in this song, somewhere around 0:27

Fatalize

the comment by John B... lol

Alex A.

oh god XP

The signal to noise ratio in YouTube comments has got to be the lowest of anywhere on the Internet.

Fatalize

the only place where it's lower that I know of is the 19th byte

Alex A.

7:31 AM

Ooooooh rekt

I need to sleep. o/

Quill

Good night

Bálint

Hello

flawr

@Fatalize But very often there is (stylewise) really nice B/W art on their album covers

zyabin101

7:57 AM

Hello

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Sp3000

@Dennis Have you tried AdamN in CJam yet out of curiosity?

zyabin101

8:39 AM

@Sp3000 It reads in two ways: Adam N., and a damn.

I don't know who is Adam N., and why someone gives a damn via CJam code.

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wizzwizz4

8:58 AM

d:-D-<<;.|\=@O|

Balancing act.

zyabin101

@Sp3000 cjam.aditsu.net/#code=AdamN&input=0 errors.

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