The Nineteenth Byte

@Mego What is it about?

Man, that "Modified by Mego" thing is popular today :P

Anonymous

@Geobits feature-request modified-by-mego

Ok, I'll start retagging them that way in a bit ;)

Anonymous

penguin

2:03 PM

I'm still retagging/naming my music collection. It's going very slowly :/

At least, mobileOK says it's mobileOK.

just finished challenge 2/3 on google foobar, and they had an awesome challenge that I wish I could post on codegolf

basically, they gave you a list of words, ordered in an unknown alphabetic ordering, and you need to find the alphabetic ordering

g'morning m8s

@Geobits find . -name '*bieber*' -exec rm {} + ... should cut down on the number of items quite a bit, making it easier for you to retag the rest.

Monking @crayzeedude!

2:06 PM

@zyabin101theHated Mankey?

Rainbolt

Monkey

Monkay?

Menkay?

@TimmyD Thanks for the tip, but I don't think that's going to help me as much as it did you.

@Quill define monking

@Rainbolt Wat.

Rainbolt

2:07 PM

When you learn stuff about MTG you get excited apparently

@Geobits Probably because I'm running Windows, so rm doesn't do much.

shots are thrown

Interestingly, though, rm is an alias in PowerShell for Remove-Item

@crayzeedude It's a greeting to a monkey doing his monkey-business. One word, monking. It's a Code Review meme, and Quill should link to it soon.

ahhhhhhhhh

:p

2:09 PM

Great xkcd today: xkcd.com

user15997 just got frozen.

mobileOK says zyabinVI.github.io is 75% mobileOK.
The total size of the page is 6.7KB.
2 requests needed to render the page in a Web browser.

Q: Should [code-golf] challenges with bonuses be tagged [code-challenge] instead?

@El'endiaStarman a pastor was visiting the home of a member of his congregation, but after finding nobody at home, left a business card with "Revelations 3:20" on it. Later, the pastor found the business card returned to him with "Genesis 3:10" written under it

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We've had a discussion on whether or not code-golf challenges with bonuses should be allowed. This is a related, but different topic. Currently, challenges that have non-standard objective scoring methods (a single method not covered by one of the tags listed here, or a combination of standard a...

Q: Don't make tag edits bump posts

@NathanMerrill ‎( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Anonymous

2:16 PM

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Currently, editing a question's tags causes the question to be bumped to the top of the active tab. As I understand it, a question being bumped to the top of active is saying "Hey, community, something interesting/substantial happened to this question and you might want to check it out!". In my o...

feature-request tags edits bump

Q: It should be possible to retag a question without bumping it to the front page

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While bumps are generally good, there are niche cases where they are harmful: I recently decided I would consolidate two tags on Stack Overflow: "openoffice" and "openoffice.org". They refer to precisely the same thing, and having two tags for them just fragments the organizational structure. H...

feature-request tags edits bump

@NewMetaPosts Dupe. Sorry, Mego. ;(

Anonymous

Damnit I even searched for a dupe!

Something to think about also:

> Taking up the counter-argument, the bump is useful in that it moves edited posts to the front of the line where the change will garner eyeballs to validate the change.

@Mego Possibly dupe reported. Sorry, Mego. :(

Anonymous

2:21 PM

> In the real world, it would be like getting an email at work every time the maintenance staff replaces a light bulb.

Anonymous

The vast majority of people don't benefit from being notified of janitorial work

Well, that's annoying

@Mego I think the truth is somewhere between those. For mass-tag-edits like this, sure it's a pain. But doing away with them altogether would allow people with really strange ideas about tags retag with no eyes on it. I seem to recall you disagreeing with someone about proper tagging recently ;)

I don't have a sound card, so the system can't beep

Anonymous

And in many cases, it's a detriment - rather than doing the entire cleanup in one fell swoop, you have to wait for old posts to disappear of the front page

2:23 PM

bumping to the front page isn't a notification

the front page is an activity log

Anonymous

@Geobits Maybe just a separate page for questions that have recently been retagged

Covox Speech Thing

The Covox Speech Thing (also known as Covox plug) was an external audio device attached to the computer to output digital sound. It was composed of the most primitive 8-bit DAC using a resistor ladder and an analogue signal output, and plugged into the printer port of the PC. The circuit was marketed around 1986 by Covox, Inc of Eugene, Oregon, for about 70 USD (79.95 USD as of 1989), but as its parts were much cheaper than the complete plug, and as its design was fairly simple, people soon started to build their own variants. The plug was used long into the 1990s, as sound cards were still very...

There was another proposal that instead of bumping, it would put tag edits in /review. That has merit I think.

people watch it to watch for new activity

how do you not have a sound card.......

Anonymous

2:24 PM

@NathanMerrill It's not a perfect metaphor

except that the difference is critical. If we actually got a notification, then it'd be a big problem

@crayzeedude No idea, you would have to ask my father, this used to be his ;p

Anonymous

My sound card is very noisy

Anonymous

It has 4 legs and a tail, is covered in fur, and is currently trying to climb in my lap

I usually (and currently am) just wearing my headset

Anonymous

2:25 PM

And it's rattling really badly

in fact, most "post edits" are janitorial

Anonymous

Changing the tags on a post does not change the content of the post

Anonymous

Changing the content of a post is substantial enough for it to be bumped

Anonymous

Tags only exist for searching purposes

fixing a spelling typo will still bump it

2:27 PM

foo ‮bar ‭baz

you could even argue that titles only exist for searching purposes

(That was foo \u202Ebar \u202Dbaz)

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill That's because there's a lot of harm people can do with content edits. With tag edits, there's almost none (just minor annoyances that are easy to fix).

@LegionMammal978 EDIRREVO TFEL-OT-THGIR e202# ,puY

regardless, the front page is not a "watch this and look for things to close"

Anonymous

2:29 PM

No that's what newest is for :P

its an activity log, regardless if the activity is harmless or not

14 hours ago, by LegionMammal978

‮Yup, U+202E RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE

‮Don't try that on me

sure, but you're saying that we should only watch for things that have a high potential of harm

Anonymous

The main point of the front page is so that the community can review recent activity

quick

2:31 PM

then I think we disagree on the purpose of the front page

is there a help page for chat markdown?

‮Hello, World!

I'd have to do a meta search

Anonymous

I'm saying tag edits (especially on old questions) are too trivial to be so prominently displayed

@crayzeedude Click help on the lower right.

2:31 PM

Chat doesn't support any HTML, does it...

@zyabin101theHated thanks m8

anyways

where's terry?

anyone heard of Alda?

@crayzeedude Erm... nope. No one. No.

darn

its pretty interesting

2:33 PM

@crayzeedude Works on making sure it meets our criteria in order to use it for challenges

@LegionMammal978 nice! i think it would be really neat to see a challenge done in it

Thinking of starting with the infinite loop challenge

Q: Allow non-bumping minor edits, but review them on /review

@LegionMammal978 It doesn't meet our criteria. X(

Anonymous

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Every edit, no matter how minor, bumps a question to the frontpage of an SE site. This behaviour is important to allow the community to review edits, but it also creates significant problems when a lot of edits are performed at once. What I propose is to allow minor edits that are not bumped to t...

feature-request edits review moderator-tools bump

@zyabin101theHated Why not

Anonymous

2:36 PM

That post has some relevant info on the purpose of the front page

Anonymous

Also: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/46729/…

Anonymous

One of the primary purposes of the front page is to be an activity log, so that members of the community can easily peer-review recent activity

@LegionMammal978 It is specifically for writing music in ASCII.

@zyabin101theHated You can make loops

@LegionMammal978 you can? im looking through the syntax and havent found anything on it yet

2:40 PM

Markers

It might be able to support a decision model

huh

i know about the chorus marker but i havent seen any others besides it

That's just an example

o

but yeah that might work

Cyoce is hiding behind crazyeedude.

nein

2:43 PM

ja

kek

Nin-ja-'d

ja

maybe

jein

Anonymous

Please stop with the spam

2:44 PM

struck by gods

sry

pls 4giv

How to annoy someone:

alda play --code "piano: c2*32768"

@LegionMammal978 Or save it in an innocent file name:

$ cat > report.txt << EOF
piano:
c2*32768
EOF

And let the target run alda play report.txt and enjoy.

@crayzeedude In regards to the Alphys challenge, Fry was referring to the following example puzzle:
RRRR
RPPR
PUOR
RPBP

And you have to run alda stop to stop it ;)

2:53 PM

That's solvable. The other two mixed-up versions aren't

@Sherlock9 Yeah, I changed it.

I'm pretty sure I did at least

Alright thanks. And sorry to be bothersome if I have been.

it's fine!

my brain is really off this morning

overslept again, forgot my English project and missed the bus because of it, etc. etc.

That's fair. I got up to find dinner only to see that it's almost 10pm in my timezone. Whoops

Just curious...

2:57 PM

VB.NET? Eh, maybe a decade ago...

Probably more than that.

lol!

I used the hell out of VB6 before that though.

Anonymous

My last job was about 50% VB.NET programming

Congratulations on escaping.

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@crayzeedude I can edit the puzzle for you if it messes up again. Also the puzzles generated by the puzzle generator you linked always start on the third row, unfortunately, so that might affect testing

Anonymous

3:00 PM

@Geobits It was an awful job, even without the VB.NET. In-house development sucks.

^^^

@Mego It really does. I was doing in-house tablet dev at my last, along with the backend that went with it.

After testing that puzzle generator, it appears that the minimum size is 3x3

It was a mess of hibernate/spring :/

@Sherlock9 The third row on even-height puzzles or..?

Anonymous

3:02 PM

The thing that makes in-house suck is that you never make it past step 1

@crayzeedude The third row on any puzzle. The minimum is 3x3

@Mego Step 1. Make it past step 1.

Huh. Weird.

Anonymous

@LegionMammal978 Nope

Anonymous

1. Make it work
2. Make it right
3. Make it good

3:02 PM

Oh yea

@crayzeedude Back soon. I'm going to get food in me

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 okra

okra and avocad?

Anonymous

avocad juic

avocad > avocad juic

3:05 PM

@Mego giv m you avacad juic

@LegionMammal978 i have no avocad juic

i so much sorry thank

Anonymous

@LegionMammal978 no is mien

but do you hav avocad juic

@LegionMammal978 i dont

Anonymous

yes

Anonymous

3:06 PM

It took thirteen minut

@zyabin101theHated so you dont have or hav avocad juic

@LegionMammal978 i dont have avocad juic

Anonymous

Man, I just realized that I never uploaded my CTF controller code to GitHub

Anonymous

And now I'm several hours away from the computer that has it

Anonymous

Looks like it's not gonna get posted next week like I had hoped

3:13 PM

Capture the flag? Sounds fun :)

Anonymous

It's in the sandbox right now

3:27 PM

Hi guys

Hello @SuperJedi224!

Does someone here know about OpenMPT?

hey pythonistas: why does the following throw a integer division by zero:

l = [1, 2, 3]
l.sort(key=lambda a: 1//len(l))

oooh, I think I know

nevermind, figured it out

r = sorted(l, key=lambda a: 1//len(l)) will work.

yeah, that's what I did

The problem is that l gets overridden as soon as you call .sort.

3:31 PM

I could also store the length of it beforehand as well

That would work.

You can also do l.sort(key=lambda a,r=len(l): 1//r).

That way it binds the length of l when the lambda is first run.

huh, didn't know that worked

cool

Ugh, regex.

Yup, any bound parameters on a lambda are only initialized once. (AFAIK).

I didn't know you could bind parameters on a lambda

3:33 PM

In a future episode of my minecraft series, I'll need to finish decorating the outside of my house (and I haven't decided how yet), so I built a rough replica of what I have so far of it in my redstone world and started experimenting with decoration ideas

What do you guys think of this design?

Ok, all 487 hours of music successfully tagged/named. Now time to curate my new playlist :)

Yup, they have the same initialization grammar as a function.

Aqua Tart

@TimmyD Yay, regex.

Anonymous

The bind-once thing on function initialization is both a blessing and a curse

Anonymous

3:36 PM

def foo(a, b=[]) has bitten so many newbs in the ass it's not even funny

Anonymous

That's like, 60% of SO Python questions

I know why that's a problem, but I don't think I've ever ran into it

Aqua Tart

Sounds like it's bitten a certain penguin in the ass a few times too

i could have sworn i was good at undertale

Anonymous

@AquaTart >_>

Anonymous

3:38 PM

Maybe...

Anonymous

It may have caused a huge bug in Seriously that baffled me for a few hours

@AquaTart I didn't say "Boo, regex" as if it's a bad thing ... I'm just not-so-good with the regex-making-ness.

Anonymous

@TimmyD Boo, regex

Anonymous

I'll gladly say it :P

So in situations where I know that regex is the correct solution, I struggle.

3:40 PM

if I have a process that has 1/2 of a chance to return a value every 10 minutes, then the average runtime is 20 minutes, right?

I made a template module in OpenMPT.

These words are close together

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Yep

Anonymous

50% of the time, it'll take 10 minutes

@LegionMammal978 Thesewordsaretheclosestpossible

3:42 PM

Yep

Anonymous

But the expected value is like 10*2/3 or something

Yep,U+200BZerowidthspace

Q: Draw as many flags as possible

@zyabin101theHated you forgot about zalgo

what's the difference between "expected" and "average"?

hi @PhiNotPi

yeah, "expected" means average over a distribution

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lets draw some flags! The task is to draw as many of the world flags as possible. There are 196 countries (including taiwan) and your job is to draw as many as possible to get the lowest score. Drawing them all would be a possible loop hole, but good luck with the saudis. The score Your sc...

graphical-output

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Average = 50% of the time it's less, 50% of the time it's more

3:47 PM

@Mego That's the Median

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill Well, "average" can mean a variety of things. Usually, it is referring to the "arithmetic mean"

^

and the mean over a distribution is the expected value

Anonymous

Not necessarily

Anonymous

The mean is the value at which 50% of the possible values lie below it, and 50% lie above it

3:52 PM

@AquaTart Also, it doesn't help that I come from a Windows / BATCH world, where FINDSTR regex is ... umm ... quirky (split into two answers because listing all the quirks ran over the 30,000 character limit) ... thus, if there was a non-regex answer, that's the path I gravitated toward.

PhiNotPi

@Mego This is the median, not the mean.

Anonymous

The expected value is the average value you'd get by performing an infinite number of trials

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi I'm talking continuous distributions

Anonymous

Oh wait that still would be the median

Anonymous

My brain doesn't want to brain well today

Aqua Tart

3:53 PM

@TimmyD rofl

@Mego The mean and the median coincide by definition for ideal normal distributions, but not all continuous distributions are normal

PhiNotPi

It doesn't even have to be normal, it just has to be symmetric.