The Nineteenth Byte

The way I see it, there are three stages.
We know how to improve stage 1 (the Beginning) with the new knowledge that we can ignore warnings for four turns. Otherwise we are perfect.
We are pretty clueless in stage 2 (the Transition).
We are perfect at stage 3 (the End), except that sometimes we break 3 heart ties the wrong way.

GiantCowFilms

@Runer112 Answer > Quality

Runer112

what

when did we learn we can ignore for 4 turns

GiantCowFilms

Ask???

not upvote?

Rainbolt

10:18 PM

@Runer112 I tested it on Sharepoint SE

So that buys us a whole two extra turns that we weren't abusing before

Runer112

maybe we should onlt try that in the next public beta

Rainbolt

It also requires that all 10 of us keep a correct count.

Runer112

because if we try it when graduated and lose, that's 100 days lost

Rainbolt

Which will be difficult

Yes, I'm game for that

Runer112

whatever just happened was definitely wrong

GiantCowFilms

10:20 PM

You kept upvoting

I said ask

no Dvs are Asks

downvote

@Runer112 me too

users just dropped, downvote!

GiantCowFilms

10:21 PM

Downvote!

Ask...!

BrainSteel

ask just dropped

Runer112

question just dropped, upvote I think

now we ask

GiantCowFilms

You guys are one move behind

Answer!

Runer112

answer just dropped, upvote..?

BrainSteel

You shouldn't vote on something that just dropped

GiantCowFilms

10:22 PM

Down vote!

BrainSteel

downvote

Runer112

look, now we lost users

answers had no chance of dropping that day

GiantCowFilms

Doesn't matter

Runer112

it definitely does matter

GiantCowFilms

I disagree, we got through beta in 102 days withouth touching users until the end

Runer112

10:23 PM

we're basically at the end now

we should pick whatever keeps the sum highest

which means trying to intercept decays

GiantCowFilms

Preciesly

Runer112

answer

GiantCowFilms

userdecays the slowest

BrainSteel

answer

Runer112

actually, this might be different

Rainbolt

10:23 PM

In beta, I feel like everything decays exactly the same

Runer112

okay

Rainbolt

And we honestly have no idea what caused users and then questions to get stuck after grad

But we do know they got stuck, and in that order

Perhaps high traffic makes users stick

Runer112

it does

Rainbolt

And perhaps high users makes questions stick

Runer112

traffic automatically replenishes users somewhat, I think

anyways, is the new meta to answer when all maxed?

GiantCowFilms

10:24 PM

The reason traffic makes users stick is that when you have high traffic, asking will give you a free users every so often

Downvote!

Runer112

I think we should've downvoted here, but we'll see

BrainSteel

don't know that it matters.

Runer112

got lucky

I always break ties in favor of quality, it seems to decay more than others

Nathan Merrill

you guys are still on this minigame?

GiantCowFilms

@Runer112 Do you know how it breaks the tie, I think it is on a first come first serve basis

Runer112

10:26 PM

no idea which wins in a vote tie

let's see if we can stun-lock the game again :p

aww nope

I guess we need the high traffic

which would've prevented users from dropping there too

GiantCowFilms

Yes

BrainSteel

You can't just quit when you're winning.

GiantCowFilms

You build up questions and answer and Quality quickly

Questions are needed to prevent hyper answer decay

Runer112

perhaps we should try voting users when all maxed?

since that happens

GiantCowFilms

Thats what I did

Runer112

10:27 PM

alright, I'll try users next time we're maxed

GiantCowFilms

and I got the whole thing done in 252 days

Rainbolt

When all is maxed, vote for the thing that we haven't voted for the longest IMO

Rather than trying to stick to a specific one

Runer112

no, that isn't right

I think voting for quality when all maxed almost guarantees user drop

Rainbolt

Ah, I see.

Runer112

let's see what upvote does

Rainbolt

10:29 PM

Then out of the other three, take the oldest.

GiantCowFilms

I do ask when max is reached

Runer112

that was a pretty good result

GiantCowFilms

although users somtime if its been a long time

PhiNotPi

I think we're behind schedule compared to last time..

Runer112

that may be, our private beta had a slightly slow start

BrainSteel

10:30 PM

A couple hiccups here and there...

Runer112

some of us couldn't do what had to be done and abandon our users :p

we seem to be stuck in a loop of always one off max, but I'm pretty okay with that

nevermind :p

hmm

that was no good

PhiNotPi

In order to get a head start in graduation, we have to be willing to let our users go deep into the red.

Runer112

I think we should only test 4 ignores at the next private beta, though

I don't want to lose 100 days of progress

PhiNotPi

Do double-ignores at least, and do it multiple time.

Runer112

yeah, I'm definitely fine with double-ignores

TheBestOne

10:33 PM

I wonder If Users would go back up if we ignore it.

Runer112

seems unlikely lol

PhiNotPi

I'm leaving now.

B back in an hour and 1/2.

Runer112

so, for graduation: alternate Q&A up to max, double-ignoring reds?

Rainbolt

Yup

Runer112

works for me

then Q&A&U?

Rainbolt

10:35 PM

Next public beta, we quadruple ignore reds.

Runer112

nooo

why did we downvote

never downvote when full quality

Rainbolt

Unless it's grad. Then downvote on max is a pretty decent choice.

Cuz users get stuck, and quality drops like a rock.

Runer112

I don't think users are stuck if you downvote on max

bleh, 10 days late

err

that was unfortunate

maybe we should've tried quality instead

ask

users and quality can rot in hell atm

answer, upvote, downvote?

noo

BrainSteel

NOOO

Runer112

bleh answers got ruined

downvote this time, though

then back to Q&A I think

Rainbolt

10:39 PM

@Runer112 I'm talking about in grad end game. Users get stuck and downvoting appears to have no effect on users.

Runer112

what are we doing

we're screwed

griefed so hard there

if you're in this chat and you closed, please don't do that again

what the hell is going on, nobody's following the strat

we're basically exclusively breaking the optimal rules

Calvin's Hobbies

Where on earth is @MartinBüttner in all this?

Rainbolt

He's the guy that's been raiding us all day long, for 8 hours straight.

Runer112

help help help

we're definitely getting raided or something

VisualMelon

he's probably smart enough to have realized things might get ugly, and did some work unlike the rest of us

Runer112

10:42 PM

users can burn in hell

Rainbolt

Next round we hit mid game where we flop around for a while

Runer112

downvote

I think we've lost our touch

DaveAlger

i love this community and can't believe it that it took this easter game for me to find it

Kevin Stricker

I tried

Ohhhh, easter egg.

BrainSteel

This is probably really good publicity for PPCG

Kevin Stricker

10:45 PM

And here I was thinking it was some silly April fool's thing :P

DaveAlger

lol

Runer112

you must be forgetting about the whole raid thing @BrainSteel

BrainSteel

Ah, that selective memory...

Geobits

Nah, they say no publicity is bad publicity, right?

Runer112

why are we upvoting, gaaah

BrainSteel

10:47 PM

Yeah, can't we put the past behind us?

Geobits

I mean, I joined at the height of code trolling, and while that ultimately ended up bad, it was arguably good for the site as a whole by bringing in new blood.

Runer112

answer

then downvote, I think

Kevin Stricker

is answer going to decay?

Runer112

they all decay

Kevin Stricker

I mean on the next round

Too late anyway

Runer112

10:48 PM

probably not

inby quality decay

well that was lucky

Kevin Stricker

No, it was math =D

BrainSteel

I completely missed code-trolling.

DaveAlger

everyone try and follow these directions and let me know if it works --

http://codepen.io/run-time/full/WbWrMw/

-- I only tested in google chrome but it seems to get the job done

Rainbolt

I don't miss code trolling one bit.

Kevin Stricker

Now lets get these users up so we can ignore em

Rainbolt

10:50 PM

Should I flag that link from DaveAlger?

Or is it legit?

BrainSteel

I mean I wasn't around while it was still around, not that I mourn its death :P

Ok, I'm flagging it.

Oh my

it's legit

I take it that everyone who clicked on that link is now unable to use their machine?

Runer112

10:51 PM

I'm not really sure what it does, but I think automating votes is probably against the rules

the code isn't malicious

DaveAlger

you can still manually vote

BrainSteel

Link itself is fine, I don't know what the code does...

Kevin Stricker

DC

DaveAlger

it just looks at the thing with the lowest hearts and clicks the corresponding button if you don't click one yourself

Rainbolt

"The code is fine. I don't know what it does, but it's fine."

Kevin Stricker

10:52 PM

called it

Rainbolt

" if you don't click one yourself" that part is extraneous

BrainSteel

No, haha, that's not what I meant :P I mean, the page he linked to itself isn't virus-laden. The steps on it may or may not be awful.

Rainbolt

You can't double vote, so there's no point in having that extra conditional.

Geobits

That bot's not even optimal and would hurt us if it tied a better strategy.

Runer112

oh right

we're in graduation phase

DaveAlger

10:53 PM

i had to add a thing that looks for continue button and clicks that first no matter what because someone was trying to restart it

Kevin Stricker

Can't ignore quality at this stage :/

Runer112

we have to actually select quality if it dropped last turn

it'll guaranteed drop next if it just dropped from 4

Rainbolt

We don't get restarted here, so that is also extraneous

Runer112

and if all stats are maxed, we'll try voting answer again, since that worked so well last time

downvote

yup, should've downvoted

Kevin Stricker

It happens every time

Runer112

10:56 PM

yes, it does seem to be universal; if quality just dropped from 4 to 3, it will drop from 3 to 2 next

so we should intercept those

Kevin Stricker

Given traffic is already at 4 yes

Runer112

whoops, misclick

ha free users

Rainbolt

Whoah

Runer112

max traffix ftw

answer

Rainbolt

Has that ever happened?

Runer112

10:58 PM

yep

Kevin Stricker

Do we seriously have to do this for another 20 minutes

Rainbolt

We should be downvoting...

Runer112

ugh

there's definitely some lag time here

I said answer for last round, so now people said it this round

Kevin Stricker

then the fail votes go in

Runer112

and we got both rounds wrong

Rainbolt

10:58 PM

DV when answers and quality are tied at 3 hearts

Runer112

just DV whenever DV just dropped from 4 to 3

Rainbolt

Otherwise we get launched into quality recovery mode

Man that sucked

Three heart loss?

Runer112

yeah I dunno, that was odd

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