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5:16 PM
what's with PPCG today... is there some American holiday again which I'm ignorant of?
 
Nope. There was on Monday, but today is just a lazy Friday it seems.
 
seems to have just been a lazy week overall :D
I was hoping to be able to post the polyquine today, but that seems futile, especially now that there's already a fresh quine challenge
guess I'll wait until monday
 
Doesn't matter to me, quines just don't interest me :p
 
6:01 PM
I had an idea for a popularity contest
basically, you write a program that takes a space separated list of integers, and outputs a sorted list. However, it's a popularity contest based on how similar the program is to english. The sentences formed don't have to relate at all to the program.
does that sound enjoyable/feasible?
 
most of all that sounds familiar ^^
 
6:17 PM
It seems like languages that have an english-like syntax would have quite the advantage.
 
@Geobits I thought we were over "but that gives language X an advantage"? because tagging something with gives GolfScript, CJam, J and friends "quite an advantage" ;)
@NathanMerrill there's also this codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/18093/…
of course neither of them have an actual purpose for the code
 
ok, then maybe I'll post it.
The easiest language, it would seem, would be whitespace
 
Oh I know, but as a popcon I don't see how something like this wouldn't win by default :D
 
@Geobits hm that's a good point
(there's also shakespear)
 
I don't think that that one would win @Geobits, but shakespeare would have a fighting chance
because I'm looking for a sentence unrelated to the actual program execution
 
6:23 PM
Ah. You said it doesn't have to relate. I took that as it still could.
 
@NathanMerrill Even then OpenScript would do well because you could just use unrelated variable names.
@user2179021 Maybe the scoring for your challenge should have weighted the test cases differently. All but the largest two are basically negligible for the overall score.
 
ok, its posted
I'll see how well it'll fare
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Q: Sort a list and write some english!

Nathan MerrillYour boss managed to read the secret hidden message. He didn't end up firing you, though, he just made you a secretary, and forbade you from writing code. But you're a programmer. You need to write code. You must code write code. Therefore, your code needs to look as similar as to english a...

thanks for the comment @MartinBüttner
 
@NathanMerrill codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/37354 is an example of an argument for code rotations. that bot tries to trap me by putting a loop at my line 1, assuming my Start will be at line 0. Now I want to submit all of my bots rotated forward by two lines, which won't affect their behavior but WILL protect them against this specific bot.
 
Correct @Sparr
I'm ok with targeting a specific line
 
@NathanMerrill Thanks for the link to my question
 
6:37 PM
yep!
 
so, if everyone was paying attention, now everyone would rotate their bots forward two lines
and someone would submit a bot attacking line 3 instead of line 1
 
If I were smart, I would submit a bot starting on line 10
the smart bots would just start on a random line
 
no, the smart bots would test locally starting on every line, and submit the one that does the best against all the other specific-line-targeting bots
 
therefore, while the bots will pick up the low hanging fruit, the won't be able to take down the serious bots
 
but as soon as there are two line-targeting bots that have smart authors, we get a race condition, and whoever re-tests and re-submits the closest to the leaderboard update wins
 
6:44 PM
Assuming that a line-targeter would perform the best, which I don't think is the case
 
I mean wins that particular comparison
5th place is better than 6th, even if you can't get 1st
 
@PeterTaylor I was trying to formalise a new quine challenge without the usual loopholes: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/2142/8478 ... the main problem is still GolfScript's 1\n. Can you think of any simple reason by which this isn't a true quine? I know you mentioned Kleene's second recursion theorem, but I'm not sure how you'd base a definition on that.
 
I'm ok with a race condition between 5th and 6th, because there is no easy way to implement the code
actually, in this one, there might
let me see
 
 
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8:25 PM
Well, it's open again. Everybody start drawing random lines, I guess.
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8:56 PM
@MartinBüttner I think I said when I mentioned Kleene that basing a definition on it wasn't easy. Perhaps for the purpose of loophole avoidance it suffices to require that the program include a literal string?
 
 
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10:34 PM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Vi.Capture the flag king-of-the-hill Basic rules There is a rectangular map of cells, each bot has current cell. Bots compete 1 vs 1 at a time, let's call them red and blue. There are N instances of red bot and N instances of the blue bot on the map. Additionally, there is unmovable red base and ...

 
@PeterTaylor That sounds like a good idea. :)
@PeterTaylor "would be boring"? was it boring or was it not? RPSLV has been done now.
 
10:54 PM
Has it?
 
@PeterTaylor it's the KotH with the most submissions ever
 
Good vs Evil?
 
no, literally RPSLV
 
oh okay
 
10:57 PM
Looks like it happened while I was on holiday. Oh well, I don't think I missed much.
 
anyway... of course, games without nash equilibrium are inherently more interesting, but I don't think the existence of a nash equilibrium makes a KotH boring, because there are bound to be solutions which play worse than the equilibrium which in turn means that there might be strategies which perform better than the equilibrium against the competition
 
Most KotH don't attract crazy numbers of submissions, let alone crazy numbers of suboptimal ones when the optimal solution is well known. A challenge whose success depends on people behaving stupidly isn't IMO a good challenge.
 
@PeterTaylor yeah, I see your point
 
11:52 PM
@PeterTaylor do you think there might be a code-challenge in this? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/37380/… :) (along the lines of "find the most such pairs within x minutes")
 
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