The Nineteenth Byte - 2014-04-17

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2:24 AM

@Rusher: I also just realized that Meta Stack Overflow (MSO) is used functionally as Meta Stack Exchange (MSE) also.

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Q: Creating an official place to become a King of the Hill tester

So, king-of-the-hill is unique in that some people cannot test any of the submissions given, as they need to have all of the environments installed that users submit. We should make a place to become an "official" tester for KOTH challenges. To be a tester, one should be able to run a certain li...

2:53 AM

Comments like these are the main reason I'm starting to like the "golfing" part of this site. Golf is okay and all, but collaborated golf is better :)

3:19 AM

Yes collaborated golf compresses all codes to the near-global-minimum possible =D

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undergroundmonorail

12:07 PM

It's neat how people help each other despite code golf technically being a competition.

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1:12 PM

@Doorknob Are you there?

@Rusher No

I have a way to objectively determine what languages should be used for KotH testers

Okay, what is it?

Sounds interesting

I have jobsearch.monster.com/search open in another tab. I'm searching for languages within a state. The 5 with the most hits should be the most popular

Ooh, interesting! I have to go now though, I will be back later

1:15 PM

I'll post some results on your post

1:40 PM

When I searched for Golfscript, Monster.com crashed. Not even kidding.

2:31 PM

Note to self: Don't post challenges on Mondays.

@Geobits Why not?

I have yet to receive an answer. Votes, comments, forks of my project, but no submissions, not even bad, naive, just-thrown-together ones.

I wasn't expecting an explosion of activity like yours got, but I was expecting at least a single response in the first few days :/

2:46 PM

If anyone can think of a popular language not included in meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/1455/18487 say something and I'll add it.

Phew that was more tedious than running Wolves.

@Geobits I hope you get an answer this weekend. I'm thinking about writing more of a library than an actual submission for your challenge.

I'm pretty bad at clever solutions, but I can do stuff like "determine closest prey" and take care of the Geometry involved

Maybe, given a toolset, your question will be less intimidating

I was thinking about including base IO templates for another couple languages, but I'm not sure if it's worth it at this point. I've put quite a bit of work into this already with not much of a reaction.

undergroundmonorail

I think I might have to write the server for my future Mafia game from scratch.

I made some bad choices early in development that are making the whole thing a frustrating mess to work on now.

That's what I said about my Magic: The Gathering client

undergroundmonorail

I can't even begin to imagine how difficult that would be to program.

3:02 PM

I got it down and then quit. Once you understand that the phases of the game are versatile, it became really easy

undergroundmonorail

I read an article about how the DotP client works and basically the entire thing was "We simplified the rules significantly so that writing it would be only sort of impossible. And then we cut corners."

That's pretty much a bunch of BS. They wrote a game that crashes every other game

They coded specific instructions for each card rather than creating a platform. It seems like a mess

undergroundmonorail

Yeah

I play a card that gives me an extra turn. I guess we had better stick in a "GOTO" statement lol.

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4:27 PM

@undergroundmonorail The client doesn't have to be too complicated. What's really hideous to contemplate is writing an M:tG server. I've read the CompRules, and I would not want to have to implement them in code.

undergroundmonorail

@PeterTaylor Fair.

4:45 PM

Nah, server is easy. For each action, just ask each player what the result should be in a loop until they all agree :p

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undergroundmonorail

6:03 PM

Oh, fuck

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I just remembered that I bought a family-sized bag of cadbury mini eggs yesterday and they've been sitting in my backpack since then

I hope they didn't melt

undergroundmonorail

6:28 PM

:P

That's it, guys. Just hit 777 rep. Going to have to quit the site forever so I can keep that fantastic number. It's been fun.

K bye.

You're at 787 lol

I'm pretty dang close to getting 3 gold badges for a single question

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@Rusher pfft, I have a silver badge for a question that hasn't been answered :p

6:44 PM

I'm still the only one who has the Deputy badge. :-)

I need 14 more favorites for trip gold. More importantly, I am engineering the greatest tumbleweed that ever lived.

It must be sufficiently complex that everyone can almost understand it, yet sufficiently clear that nobody has a question about it. It must be sufficiently boring that nobody upvotes it, yet sufficiently interesting that nobody downvotes.

It must be released on a Friday when DoorKnobChatBot is inactive, because we appear to get more challenges on Friday

undergroundmonorail

(Note to self: Upvote all of @Rusher's questions.)

It needs to be buried quickly

If it's sufficiently interesting, how do you expect to get the "low views" part?

Hmm. Friday is bad. More activity in general means more voting/views/comments.

The title will take care of that

No, low activity means more views. One challenge a day and everyone sees it. Take SO as an extreme example.

6:50 PM

@undergroundmonorail No need to upvote. Just comment "no tumbleweed for you" on anything that looks suspicious :)

Yea, but high activity here is completely different than on SO. Even on a busy day, we don't bury questions past the first page within several hours.

On SO it's literally a couple of minutes.

But if 10 challenges come out on a Friday and mine has a boring title, you may ignore it

Eh, I might, but chances are that someone will interact on a busier day.

If you delete a question, how long until it is wiped?

If I delete and then quickly undelete/delete for a week straight right before the wipe time, will I get Tumbleweed?

I will personally ask a mod to revoke your badge if you do that :p

How would you know?

You can't filter questions by badge (or can you?)

6:56 PM

By your tumbleweed badge and lack of questions that would have earned it?

I can filter by name, and I'm pretty sure yours is 'Rusher'.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges/21/tumbleweed (oops, wrong link)

I'll change my name!

Is "Tumbleweed" a suspicious name?

7:19 PM

@Geobits Can I ask you not to accept an answer within the week?

If you do, then my bounty will be auto awarded I think at 7 days

I was hoping to get a "reminder" notification and award it manually

Not super sure how all of that works though

Sure, no prob. You'll get a reminder or two, don't worry.

I was contemplating putting a bounty on it myself, but thanks :)

I'll try to do a test run just prior to its expiration, too.

8:03 PM

Are all flags on answers generated by humans, or are some flags auto generated? I see one that was flagged because of its "length and content."

Also, what is the policy for reviewers that don't know the language. For example, something looks like a valid Code Golf answer, but I don't know if it actually works. Just skip it, or say "Looks good to me."?

undergroundmonorail

Personally I hit accept if everything else looks good. "It doesn't actually work" is a problem with the code, not the answer, and my job is to judge the answer. (imo, of course)

@undergroundmonorail Thanks :)

8:32 PM

Any ideas?

I have read [this](meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/1452/) and this meta posts, but I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do.

@SuperScript What do you need ideas for?

Are you wanting to run a KotH contest or something?

9:03 PM

Oh good you came back. The suspense was killing me.

Sorry, I yes I do think that I have a good idea.

I thought I wrote that at the beginning, but I've had a bad connection.

@Rusher : P.S. your doomsday posts were awesome.

Well, you have two options. You can put your idea in the sandbox, or you can summarize it here and I will tell you if I think it is good or bad. Both are pretty safe options.

Haha thanks! They were my favorite to write.

^ I'll provide input too

(I'm back)

I'm just wondering if there are any options for running people's submissions.

I saw codepad.org.

Might I be able to figure out a way to use it?

I would just be using standard stdin/stdout stuff.

You mean like a tool for KotH contests that can compile or interpret many languages?

And take care of all of the STDIN, STDOUT communications?

9:08 PM

Yes. Doesn't sound too possible.

I hadn't considered how it would have to run all of the different languages at the same time.

Plus my interpreter.

undergroundmonorail

Right now I'm writing a server program for a KOTH challenge I want to run, so I can tell you how I'm doing it

Force all submissions to include a .exe and enforce a strict cmd line format. Then hope nobody writes malicious code (because that violates the ToS)

Or run it on a VM so that it can be hacked to pieces

undergroundmonorail

For mine, each entry has a folder that contains the actual program, as well as a file called run. run is a bash script that runs the executable however it needs to be run. When my program needs to make their program do something, it runs run.

@undergroundmonorail : When might your thingy be done? I have to decide wether to wait or just give up my idea (and possible reputation).

undergroundmonorail

No idea :P

9:12 PM

I guess that spare time is not predicatable :-)

undergroundmonorail

True

Well I guess that I am left in a debate.

With myself.

Anybody want to influence me to wait or surrender my secrets?

^ This guy is an odd one.

Is that a compliment?

It's a complement of a compliment.

new post codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/26001/18487

undergroundmonorail

9:23 PM

...I kind of want to do something really gross in my code. It technically would fix my problem but it would be pretty much the worst way possible.

I want to have a function do something to an instance of a class if it's given as an argument, or do it to every instance of the class if it's given a list of them.

class Thing(object):
	def __iter__(self):
		self.b = True
		return self

	def next(self):
		if self.b:
			self.b = False
			return self
		else:
			raise StopIteration

Make it an iterable that returns itself exactly once :D

It's so terrible but I think I want to do it

Right now I'm just doing

if isinstance(argument, Thing):
argument = [argument]
for t in argument:

which is probably way nicer

Nope, I give up, formatting is hard

Wait, so is it that there's no easy way to overload functions in python, or that you just don't want to? (edit test)

@Doorknob ... what in the world?

Ummmmmm

Technical difficulties

Ahem

Nothing to see here, move along

undergroundmonorail

@Geobits I had to look up what exactly overloading functions meant, but it appears that the answer is "the former".

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Q: Overloaded functions in python?

Is it possible to have overloaded functions in Python? In C# I would do something like void myfunction (int first, string second) { //some code } void myfunction (int first, string second , float third) { //some different code } // This maybe a little off, I haven't coded C# in a couple years ...

python function arguments overloading

9:38 PM

@Doorknob WRONG ROOM! :P

(sorry, couldn't resist)

Interesting. I guess I just assumed. Anyway, dinner time.

Lol, blame the code

@Rusher That's an auto-generated one. I think it's more common than manual flags on this site.

@Doorknob What did I miss?

@Rusher Technical difficulties :P

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/15020222/history

I was making a bot and I made it with my user which was a bad idea

undergroundmonorail

10:26 PM

Okay, I've made a lot of progress on the mafia engine. All that's left to do is let bots talk and vote during the day.

undergroundmonorail

10:48 PM

I need to learn at least some really basic git.

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