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6:00 PM
@Szabolcs We should trade evil Mathematica help. You fix my printing problem, I give you your pixel row.
 
6:11 PM
@David All I can say is that I also see funny letter spacing on Ubuntu. If that were the only problem with Mma on Ubuntu, I wouldn't even mind, but it's bad to the point of not being usable.
 
Oh. My letter spacing is perfect everywhere here.
 
I mean when exporting to PDF, of course
 
The Mathematica frontend is quite dreadful if you ask me. Just think of indentation.
 
Well, you're free to use Vim :P
 
And write everything in InputForm? Hooray.
What kind of "funny letter spacing" were you talking about? The same crap that I have?
Or a readable little sibling
 
6:13 PM
Or maybe you can try 10.04?
Which was still usable with Mma
Almost as bad as yours, exactly the same phenomenon, but not exactly the same output (to the pixel)
 
I'm not printing that much that it's worth changing the OS
 
Enough to conclude that resetting the settings won't fix it on Ubuntu
 
Also, downrading the OS because Wolfram messed up, wtf :(
Maybe one of the Wolfram employees comes across this and can say something about it
 
Well, there has been no version of Ubuntu that didn't break something that used to work before on my computer ...
 
Oh yes. I still regret the update from 10.10.
However, I had the same problem with Mathematica there.
Luckily they introduced unity, so I'm not tempted of upgrading it ever again.
 
6:16 PM
I guess it's not easy to support a platform that changes every 6 month (and does things like introducing buggy drivers: stackoverflow.com/questions/8989102/… ) Don't be so quick to blame it on WRI, there are two sides here.
 
Okay, Canonical is also evil. ;-)
 
anyway, got to get some work done ... bye
 
See you.
Also, lunch. :-)
 
6:47 PM
Anyone wants to have a go at improving this? -->
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Q: Programmatically copy code so that all output is commented out

SzabolcsA note to the readers and voters: This is intended for community use, so please test the palettes in practice! I encourage all answerers to "steal" from each others, and come up with a solution that is the most pleasant / practical to use. Sjoerd suggested that when we want to post input lin...

 
7:16 PM
I was just looking up the good old `Flatten` help page. Is it just me or is the following sentence impossible to parse? Flatten[list,{{Subscript[s, 11],Subscript[s, 12],...},{Subscript[s, 21],Subscript[s, 22],...},...}]
flattens list by combining all levels Subscript[s, ij] to make each level i in the result.
 
7:33 PM
It is ...
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Q: How can I easily copy Mathematica code for use with this site? (We have a palette for this!)

SzabolcsThanks to Albert Retey and Rolf Mertig now we have an easy way to copy code from Mathematica. The source for the code copy palette is below. Evaluate it to create the palette, pop it out from the notebook, and save it for permanent use with the Palettes -> Install Palette... menu item. The ...

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Question: How can I get rid of the large margin reserved for In/Out labels on the left in a notebook?
 
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Q: What should our FAQ contain?

rcollyerWe've talked about here and there pieces of this, but what should go in our FAQ? What do you think needs to mentioned in our FAQ? Obviously, what is considered on-topic/off-topic, and quite possibly a number of items from this list. But, we should start making progress on this question. (This is...

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Q: Who should our moderators be?

rcollyerAs we have entered public beta, it will soon become apparent that we need more moderator attention than can be given by the SE mods that have accounts here. We already have two users who have access to the moderator tools, and possibly one or two more soon, which helps quite a bit. But, we will ...

Two things to work on.
 
7:54 PM
Please ping me with ideas on what should be improved in the code-copy palette. @Simon -- please also take a look, as you were the one who made the combined palette.
Also, test test test!
 
@rcollyer to whoever wishes to be considered: Please have a valid email address that the SE team can contact you at (and one that you check often). If not, no cake.
 
@yoda How much time does it take of your time?
 
@yoda added it as a comment.
 
@Szabolcs Depends on the site... on some sites, users do nothing and you'll have to initiate closing/clean up work. Some sites, by its very nature, are rowdy and the mods will have to deal with troublesome users
On both my sites, it takes a fair bit of time to do clean up work around the site (although the flag volume is low)
However, I think that on this site, it should be a breeze, because we're very active here and most of us have the requisite badges and are already involved in a lot of the cleanup work
 
I think, the core users here, are very much into self-policing. So, it may be much less work than other sites.
 
8:09 PM
@yoda: I got things squared away and have a custom gravatar here :-)
Darn, it seems to have changed back :-(
 
@robjohn that's a cool gravitar. Did you use mma to generate it?
@robjohn doesn't show in chat, unfortunately.
 
Which do you see?
It was a minute ago...
 
Reload the page, everyone :) to see his gravatar
 
on your mma profile page, I see the mobius strip like thing. Here, the angry square.
 
I will not deny that the two sites that I moderate have taken a fair bit of my time, but the primary reason for that is because there was no "community" to begin with – just a common idea. So that involves prodding users/educating them/answering on meta/etc. whereas we have a very strong community, which does all of that by itself
 
8:11 PM
There :-) I had reloaded, and was seeing it, but for some reason it reverted.
 
@Szabolcs that's it suggest a simple solution that everyone can follow. now we can't even blame the SE team. :P
 
@rcollyer Yes, I used Mma to generate it.
 
Code please?
 
@robjohn that looks nice :) Although, I had gotten used to seeing an angry looking face
 
@yoda I can change it back if it is too confusing for people, but I thought I should generate something new for here.
 
8:13 PM
@robjohn no no, let it be :)
it's not a highres pic >.<
 
@yoda It was 364x364, but I had to scale it to 128x128
 
@robjohn why scale?
 
Bye, all.
 
@yoda can I upload higher res pictures to Gravatar?
 
User-count is still going up: i.stack.imgur.com/qFVhR.png
@robjohn Did you scale to make it prettier (antialiasing)?
 
8:16 PM
yeah, you can upload high res pics and it does the scaling automatically... Although your default icon might look the same, since it's 128x128, it will look better in the 512x512 version
not that it's used anywhere on the site, but I can manually check it to admire =)
 
@robjohn shameless plug ;-) --> mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/200/12
 
@yoda Okay, I didn't realize that you could see a 512x512 image
@yoda How do you access the 512x512 image?
 
@robjohn you just copy the image url for your icon and replace the 128 by 512 :)
 
Okay, brb after I upload some higher res images.
 
@rcollyer you might also want to note in your post that a moderator's actions are binding – i.e., one click does the job. Perhaps if people are trigger happy, then it might be something to consider
Of course, one click can also undo the damage (well, in most cases)
 
8:21 PM
@Szabolcs Have you checked whether your Column problme is only a display bug, i.e. the image is correct but overlaps with another box?
 
@David I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. What should I check? All I need is to make sure this won't come up in my image uploader palette, and it won't confuse users. BTW I have a strong feeling that this is Windows-only.
I have to leave
 
You said that 2 hours ago and here you are ;-)
OOooooh I think I misunderstood your question anyway. It's not really cutting off the first row, but it displays it like it has. Nevermind.
 
How often are gravatars downloaded?
There, the high-res one is there now :-)
 
@robjohn ah, what a difference that makes!
 
@yoda Yeah. Can you tell what it is?
 
8:32 PM
it looks like a doubly twisted mobius strip... is that it?
 
Close, but not quite...
It has one side...
and a tube over the centerline
 
I see it has one side, yet doesn't look like a mobius strip... or is it just my eyes?
 
It is a Möbius strip
the accompanying grey tube circles it twice
 
It's very neat! I should get around to creating an mma avatar sometime soon... seems to be the rage these days.
 
It's a really unobvious Möbius strip.
 
8:36 PM
Including upsidedown @acl
@David exactly! It threw me off at first...
 
A challenger appears!
 
Mine is viewed from the other side..
maybe a little higher than directly opposite
a different view
I wanted to show the grey tube over more of the centerline
It looks like a sun visor to me :-)
 
Now that's a Möbius strip.
Except for the pink edges.
 
@David :-) same object, different views
 
While topologically equivalent to the Möbius strip, pink edges are UUUUGLY
It's no surprise pink is banned from the visible spectrum.
 
8:46 PM
@David Gee, I learn something every day. I did not know that
 
Hating pink is an important part of my life. ;-)
 
It was supposed to be violet, but in close proximity to green, it seems to be pink.
 
@robjohn It's always funny to throw that in every time someone explains to you that black isn't a color etc.
Keep that sentence handy. :-)
 
Binarize[Import["http://i.imgur.com/zJwbU.png"]]~ImageAdd~
 Graphics[{RGBColor[1, 0.078, 0.57], Rectangle[]}]
Don't lie! :P
 
WHAT
HAVE
YOU
DONE
 
9:00 PM
:D
 
Take this! `Binarize[Import[
"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/64eb54939201cd78d919a3959aeb417d?s=\
500"], .3]~ImageMultiply~
Graphics[{RGBColor[1, 0.078, 0.57], Rectangle[]}]`
 
I've just been testing the Flat attribute which I never quite got, in an attempt to answer a post from a couple of days ago. I'd be glad to know anyone's opinion on my conjectures...
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A: SetAttributes[f,Flat]: Why the order dependence?

RojoOk, I'm going to try to explain my best conjuecture as to how this happens, and don't even try to answer why. All this is my conjecture from playing around. I'll edit delete this note after I get your feedback, or delete the whole post if it's tooooo way off. But it makes sense to me as far as I'...

 
@David Ouch!
@yoda Is the ~ like a pipe?
 
It's infix notation.
 
@David oooh... I'll probably use that — with a different color maybe
 
9:04 PM
a~f~b = f[a,b]
 
@David I have never used that in Mma
 
e.g. a~Plus~b = a+b
Or if you want to flatten something quickly:
Flatten[list, 1] = list // Flatten[#,1]& = list~Flatten~1
 
Can that apply to more than 2 arguments? or is it only a binary op?
 
@robjohn I hadn't been using it much either, but after being persuaded to give it a try by Mr.Wiz, I have been using it a fair bit — sometimes perhaps even when its use is unnecessary
but in general, it's helpful with some functions where the meaning is immediately apparent from the use of an infix operator...
for e.g., {a,b,c}~Join~{d,e,f}
 
That is nasty
 
9:08 PM
Woops, nevermind that comment, was wrong
 
It can't unless it has attribute Flat I guess
so you could write
stuff like {2}~Join~{45, 28}~Join~{3, 4}
 
Okay, that could be taken as repeated calls to Join
 
Not really
 
The ~ key is inconveniently located on my keyboard so I don't use it that much ;-)
 
@David Why do you say that was wrong?
 
9:10 PM
cause Join is flat, so before evaluating it ends up being Join[_, _, _]
Noo
 
Is the result ({2}~Join~{45, 28})~Join~{3, 4}?
 
Yeah, sorry
My bad
 
@yoda For non-flat functions a~b~c~b~d = b[b[a, c], d]
I mean you can use it, but it's probably not what you want to have
I thought it would be b[a,c,d]
 
@David Ah, I see what you mean. That's right
 
Also a~b~c~d produces an error
I'd say it shouldn't be used with more than one function
It's unreadable enough as it is
 
9:12 PM
The problem with starting to use a new operator now, is that you'll have to worry about operator precedence all over again... do I need a () here? Does ~ evaluate before @, ...
 
@David it can, @Mr.Wizard has been known to string together an ungodly number of them.
 
It's an inside joke now in the SO mma crowd...
 
I've never used it.
Not even for golfing!
Wanna know why?
Style[a~b~c~b~d, RGBColor[1, 0.1, 0.6]] THAT'S WHY
 
@JM: greetings!
 
Hey, nice new suit @rob!
 
9:25 PM
Oh lord not infix again....
 
Infixing stuff is fun, but a tad easy to overuse.
 
Infixing~stuff~is~fun~but~a~tad~easy~to~overuse
 
@robjohn for the record I like infix notation; I have my reasons and I would be glad to direct you to them should there be interest. However the whole infix thing quickly became an ever more exaggerated running joke on StackOverflow.
 
ruuunnnnnnn @robjohn!
 
@David, you there?
For that matter: who's on Oneiric?
 
9:31 PM
I have it on a VM, but won't be able to test anything now, as my ram is pretty maxed out
but I can later this evening
 
Apparently upgrading to Oneiric screws with the interactive 3D feature.
Now, when I try to spin a surface around after rendering, the blasted front end unceremoniously closes.
 
hmmm... I don't have mma on that, so sorry. You might try Simon/Szabolcs... they use ubuntu too, although I don't know which version.
 
Okay, maybe later...
 
@JM I'm here
Firefox decided to act up again
restarted my browser twice this week already, something's wrong
 
@David Yeah, you're on Maverick right?
 
9:38 PM
11.04
I didn't learn the funny names by heart
 
Okay, not the latest. You've no trouble spinning three-dimensional stuff, right?
As in, drag within the image and the thing spins around?
 
No, that works fine
Is it broken in the new version?
 
Okay, definitely the upgrade... :(
 
Good thing there's no registry in Linux
I'll keep running this OS until my hardware dies
Not like MSWin where I reinstalled every few months :x
 
@David yes, it only displays it like that, so it doesn't affect the palette functionality, but it can be very confusing for the users. I had to leave, security kicked me out from school (stayed too late)
 
9:42 PM
Aren't you a student?
In any case, can't you just add some padding to the cell?
I mean it's not required to be very beautiful is it
 
@yoda :-)
 
@David if you have a solution, post it.
@Verbeia hello! Users have been coming in with the same rate all day. Just ran your notebook an hour ago
 
@MrWizard I would like to see the reasons. I am always open to learning new ways to use Mma. It is just a method of entering the same code that one could enter with postfix, is it not?
 
@robjohn It's useful for stuff that take multiple arguments; witness 12 ~Mod~ 5.
 
I like {a,b,c} ~Join~ {1,2,3}, but I dislike to see it for non-associative operations
 
9:46 PM
@JM It makes it more natural to the reader.
 
which is somewhat nearer to the mathematical form than the conventional Mod[12, 5].
Also precedence is no longer too obvious from reading if you use a number of infixed bits...
so I use it, but sparingly.
 
@JM: I am going to stay with the green here (since the pings and things are green here, the same as they are orange on math.se), but I have been getting complaints about the violet that looks pink next to the green.
 
Make it fuchsia? :D
 
OOh... a hotter shade of pink. @David would certainly love that!
 
@JM that would solve the problem. I don't need to say, "hey it is supposed to be violet" any more!
 
9:50 PM
Or mauve...
 
Just say, "it's PINK. now live with it!"
 
If I really wanted to annoy, I'd use Glow[] and Specularity[] with the specularity exponent set to a ridiculously high value...
 
Since the scheme here seems to be blue for the buttons and highlighted text, I could use a shade of blue.
 
mma needs more Blink[] and Maquee[]
 
@yoda What's this, 1995? :D :P
 
9:55 PM
@JM DiscoMath
and a rotating mirror ball
 
Hmm, that actually sounds like a fun idea. 'cept, I don't think Mathematica can do mirrors just yet...
(or I just haven't read the whole bleedin' manual)
 
@JM Specularity but no mirrors?
Needs[RayTracing.m]
 
Yeah, it's just shine. You apparently can't use it to have polygons act like mirrors.
I suppose POV-Ray still has some place after all.
 
@Szabolcs Hi - I'm still reading all the previous messages :)
@yoda I think it's clear that we need a canonical question and answer about font embedding in PDF. The story is a complicated combination of both our answers, and my answer to this question.
I was probably a bit harsh, but it's clear that some fonts embed and some don't, and it depends how you produce the PDF and what format the font is in (OpenType TrueType flavor, OpenType PostScript flavor, TrueType, PostScript).
 
acl
10:20 PM
@yoda right-side up now...
 
@Verbeia Also, Mathematica uses pdfv1.4, which is very old. Open type fonts will definitely not be supported, since that came out only in v1.6... I guess the version used has something to do with it
 
@yoda yes, that's also part of the story but while testing fonts for that LaTeX question, I found that Optima and most of the TeX-Gyre fonts were fine but Latin Modern wasn't. I think there is a distinction between PostScript and TrueType flavoured OpenType fonts.
I'm on Windows at the moment and just confirmed that Open Type "Sabon LT Std" doesn't embed properly (actually gives an error in Adobe Reader), while TrueType fonts with no true Bold weight, like "Poor Richard", comes up correctly on the same machine but aren't embedded.
The file size for the "bold" version is much smaller than the one that says the font is embedded. So there is no embedded font there. I will have to send that file home to check it on a Mac. (Very slow testing :) )
 
@Verbeia I have a mac, so I could test it for you if you want.
 
10:37 PM
Hmm - I can't upload here - stupid IE problem? Thanks anyway Heike, I will keep trying to upload the PDf
 
10:52 PM
@robjohn yes it is just syntax; here is a transcript that includes me explaining to Sjoerd and yoda what I find good about infix. Please understand that I do not use infix all the time or where it would actually make code longer. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/5169/2011/11/20
 
@verbeia Saw a news item about Australia on the 8 o'clock news today. Uproar
 
@SjoerdCdeVries What about?
 
It was some kind of remembrance day to remember the first (western) settlers
 
@Verbeia I only tested Latin Modern, and as you say, it didn't embed
 
not nice regards aboriginals etc
 
10:56 PM
@acl Nice new gravatar, I like it better than the old one
 
some politicians got attacked
 
@SjoerdCdeVries did it have to do with this? bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16736054
 
@Heike yep, that's the one
 
@Szabolcs Is it open type?
 
So, there's more going on than floods and fires...
 
10:58 PM
@yoda Yes. Thanks to your answer I did spend a lot of time trying t o figure out why it didn't embed
 
acl
@Szabolcs thanks, was getting dizzy upside down
 
First day not to reach the rep cap! I'm slowing down :P
Tomorrow miniconference, so won't be here much
 
@acl new avatar? But what is it?
 
@Szabolcs you still have an hour left
 
@Szabolcs Only about an hour until a new day; Maybe you can still get some... ;P
 
10:59 PM
Looks like a jet pilot
 
@acl I noticed you worked in Dresden. I have a Greek physicist friend who did her PhD in Dresden, and also spent a couple of months there last autumn
 
@Szabolcs looks like you didn't hit it a couple of days ago... close. 190
 
@Szabolcs number of questions is also steadily going down.
We should try to keep it above 15/day
It's 19.4 now
 
@yoda I did, but I deleted one answer, and now it shows 190. I got no points for several more upvotes that day
 
@Szabolcs oh.. try running a recalc. That should fix it
 
11:01 PM
@yoda I can do that?
 
<site.com>/reputation
scroll all the way to the bottom and hit trigger recalc
 
...and be prepared for potential drops in reputation.
 
Normally, rep on deleted posts doesn't disappear immediately... the page there shows your true rep, the number of days you hit repcap etc
So on SO if you have questions/answers that you got upvotes, but later were deleted/migrated, then you'll lose that when it's recalced
 
@acl τη λένε Καλλιόπη
 
"te lene kalliope"? What's pretty?
 
11:05 PM
@SjoerdCdeVries We should be really aggressive about recruiting new people, then
 
@yoda Yay, free rep :D
 
:)
 
@DavidZaslavsky I put a message on LinkedIn. Did somebody take care of Reddit?
 
I saw a post on /r/Mathematica about this site
 
That's good
 
11:07 PM
A little tutorial on how to export graphics with the right font size: mathematica.stackexchange.com/a/750/12 Feedback welcome.
 
@MrWizard Thanks! I will read that.
 
...or maybe it was about the A51 proposal...
 
I posted on Facebook, but I doubt it'll have much effect
I also posted a question on MathGroup today, and I put the new site in my sig
I'll post the announcement on Monday only. Weekend is not too busy, so it would get buried in all the posts. Monday is perfect, it'll pass moderation Tuesday
 
@DavidZaslavsky It was about the proposal, I just checked
 
Yeah, I see. I don't know if it would be worth submitting a link to the actual site now that it is up? I haven't participated much in Reddit so I don't know whether promoting the same thing twice 12 posts apart would be frowned upon
 
11:10 PM
I already posted on meta.MO.
 
We could develop a community promotion ad to send out to other technical sites
 
that's a great idea!
 
There's a message now at Reddit
 
11:26 PM
Where in Reddit?
 
In case you're wondering why I asked my question on MathGroup, and not here: I know there's someone there who will be able to answer.
 
@Szabolcs Get him over here
Does the MG know about the public beta?
 
@SjoerdCdeVries @Szabolcs said he was going to send an announcement soon once we have some guidelines and stuff drawn up
 
@Sjoerd I want to write about the public beta in Monday, so it'll be posted on Tuesday. I want to geth through to more people. They don't read email so much on the weekend, and it'll get buried otherwise.
This looks pretty interesting:
 
11:31 PM
The biggest problem we'd like to avoid is posts like Gary's which are well meaning, but dont' fit in the SE model. We don't want to turn them away due to a bad experience
 
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A: Connecting to and disconnecting from a continuously running kernel, on demand

Arnoud BuzingHere is a stab at a basic mathlink solution. In the kernel that contains status information define this post function: post[e_] := Module[{link}, Quiet[ link = LinkConnect["status"]; If[LinkReadyQ[link], LinkRead[link]; LinkWrite[link, e]]; LinkClose[link] ]] If there is nothing to co...

 
btw, @SjoerdCdeVries @Szabolcs or any of the other europe regulars should consider throwing your name in the ring for pro-tem mod... good to have mods spread around different time zones
of course, @MrWizard is there for 24 hour duty
 
@yoda I can't commit now, I know I won't be able to be here every day in the following month. I don't want to take on a responsability, but of course I'll help out where I can.
 
It is useful to have a caffeinated moderator...
 
mods on crack
 
11:34 PM
@yoda I'm a bit afraid of the time required
 
How many mods can / should we have?
There's lots of people with restricted time, so maybe we can share the load
 
@yoda Crack's too risky. Modafinil is safer. ;)
 
Couldn't we just have 20?
Like SO.MMA top-20?
 
@Simon typically 3. Unless a site's topic is such that it might require more than 3 (e.g., skeptics/christianity, etc)
I'm sure we'll all be to get to 2k+ within the next 15 days and 4k+ soon after... then we can collectively take out the trash
 
...and this site doesn't seem to have that much potential for contentiousness, so... :)
 
11:36 PM
It's not that we get paid any money,
so what difference could it make?
 
@yoda Just for the record, I hope you die a horribly.
Nice new avatar by the way ;-)
 
I'm sure my corpse will turn a shade of pink :P
 
AAAA
Okay, don't die then
 
lol
 
This is a tricky situation indeed
 
11:38 PM
I pity David Z for getting pinged everytime I mention @David
 
@yoda You're good at pushing his buttons, aren't you... :D
 
@JM :D only the pink ones
alright, alright... I'll admit. I hate pink as much as David.
 
@yoda heh, you caught on ;-)
 
@DavidZaslavsky well, I knew that already, but was throwing it out for the others. Nevertheless, suffer!
 
yeah... I'm kind of desensitized to it now
I just know that about 2/3 of my notifications are frivolous
 
11:42 PM
time to funk up that name a little.. DaveZ, DaveZee, DZ (ok, that might be a problem), DZsky
or we could all change our names to David.
4
Now that'll be fun
Reminds me of the change name to rchern thing for april fools
 
@yoda Wasn't that suggested in TL one time?
 
yeah, I think it was... all the bitcoin chaps are David*
physics finally got a non controversial theme, I see...
 
@yoda Also, I'm already at 2k, so I can help out a bit without getting a diamond.
 
@yoda I prefer Bob. Bob is a good name.
 
it's a palindrome too
 
11:46 PM
Bad Bob.
 
no biscuit?
@yoda exactly.
gotta run.
 
acl
@Szabolcs Still work here; don't know her though
@Szabolcs there are I think 3 MPIs here, a couple of Fraunhofer institutes, a Leibniz institute, another research centre, the TU Dresden and probably some other places I am forgetting, so lots of places she could have been
 
@yoda: why did I think you would choose green?
 
:)
 
acl
@SjoerdCdeVries actually a mac pilot. I was considering making it pink.
 
11:52 PM
It's a strange picture
 
acl
that was the idea :)
@rcollyer bit short though
(sorry)
 
@rcollyer the obligatory youtube link: youtube.com/watch?v=FU-tuY0Z7nQ
 
wow.. been a while since I've seen a Not the nine o clock news clip
and I did not know that's what rcollyer was referring to... so whoosh
 
@yoda I don't know if he was referring to that or not, but whenever I hear the name bob I have to think of that sketch.
 
Man, that show was a long time ago... and yet still funny.
 
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