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user41796

8:00 PM

But their lives are richer for it, amirite?

Kant was cool, not gonna claim it was useful though (or that any random person on the street would care one whit what he argued)

user55340

> Oh read me some Hume
in a skeptic-packed room,
where the beer and the arguments play--
where often is heard
a reduction absurd--
and the statements are mostly de re!

if your dad's a mechanic and you've been fixing cars since you could hold a screwdriver and he owns a mechanic's shop and you know you're going to inherit it when he retires, why should anyone waste your time teaching you about the Treaty of Utrecht or making you read Heart of Darkness

you should definitely learn some math to be able to do the books yourself and/or make sure the person you hire to do it isn't stealing from you

user55340

@durron597 because an informed public is a necessary part of the civic responsibility. You need to be able to understand the arguments that are presented and not take politicians for their word.

i'm not saying no one should learn these things, but i'm saying that learning these things are a luxury not a right

8:01 PM

are you arguing against compulsory K-12 edutation or against the middle class culture of feeling an imperative to be college educated no matter what?

@durron597 because clearly you won't fulfill your life purpose unless you get a 4-year degree. Explore your dreams!

@MichaelT oh please, you think we have an informed public now?

@MichaelT yeah, because college totally accomplishes that lol

do I need to find the afforable care act vs obamacare jimmy fallon video?

we're getting a bit defeatist now

8:02 PM

You learn the stuff to build character, plain and simple. If your dad had been at my school teaching us in a mechanics class, I would have been better for that experience too, despite never having used those skills to actually repair cars or whatever.

@durron597 education as a luxury good just creates a peasant class...

user55340

Nope. We don't. It is quite unfortunate. But making it harder to get a broad education isn't the way to make it better.

they would probably be even less informed if they didn't have K-12

@JimmyHoffa until what level? does everyone need a PhD? what about post-doc work?

so does anyone have something more cheerful to discuss? I'm not really in the mood for further ranting about how terrible life in America is these days (no matter how true it is)

8:04 PM

@Ixrec if you install spacemacs your computer will go to the moon!

user55340

Mini Metro updated recently.

mrctv.org/blog/…

@MichaelT ?

@JimmyHoffa it actually doesn't.

at work I'm the only one still using the proprietary IDE instead of bringing my own blatantly superior open-source text editor, it's kind of a running joke

8:05 PM

@Ixrec ? why?

user55340

@JimmyHoffa store.steampowered.com/app/287980

If you could just use emacs (In spaaaace!) why are you using some proprietary thing that is apparently known to be the worst?

the reason being that our proprietary framework has no command line tools, so running, debugging and testing the code has to be done via the proprietary IDE anyway, at which point pulling out only the editing part is not a net advantage for me

user55340

Mini Metro (video game)

Mini Metro is a transport simulation video game being developed by Dinosaur Polo Club for Windows, OS X and Linux. The game is about creating an efficient subway network for a rapidly growing city. == Development == Mind the Gap, the prototype for Mini Metro, was created in April 2013 during Ludum Dare 26. In September 2013, the first pre-alpha build was released. After several public alpha builds were tested and released, the game was made available for pre-order on 9 April 2014. The game was released on Steam as an Early Access title on 11 August 2014. Two days later, on 13 August 2014, DRM...

doing so would only encourage me to run, debug and test less often, which would be bad

8:07 PM

What environment has no command line tools? Then how do you automate the damn thing?

@Brandin that's what we keep telling them!

so both my boss and the guy who works for me are gone

3pm on friday

user55340

dinopoloclub.com/minimetro

i'm the only one who consistently works a full day on friday

@Ixrec and you can't just add command line tools that wrap shit?

@MichaelT this looks pretty cool

8:07 PM

what the f**k are they going to do without me lol

user55340

@JimmyHoffa its a really neat game.

First step would be to write some command-line tools that automate initiating GUI events to this "proprietary" framework. Then just run another IDE on top of those homegrown command-line tools.

maybe they will all leave even earlier on Friday @durron597 :P

"finally, we don't have to stay late since that one guy won't leave early"

;)

@JimmyHoffa since the infrastructure code in question is not maintained by us, there's no way we could do that in a robust way

@Ixrec you have the source for the proprietary IDE... cut off the head yourself!

8:09 PM

@JimmyHoffa actually, we don't

that's another thing my coworkers complain about

the nicest way to put it would be that the culture of the infrastructure teams does not mesh very well with the culture of the applications teams

@Ixrec I think I preferred the argument about government. It sounds like you're situation is more broken.

you'll never have emacs (in spaaaaace!) :(

@Brandin the good news is some people on my team have done a bit of this with autohotkey

I keep meaning to try that out to see if it actually works as well as they claim it does

What environment has no commandline tools? Windows circa 1995 to 2007

@Ixrec so do that, and then use, emacs (in spaaaaace!)

I could, or I could go write more tests

8:11 PM

@whatsisname :P untrue. Ok, close to true. Shutup.

Windows was originally a program that ran on top of DOS. Obviously it has always had command-line tools as well.

what windows had and still has for commandline tools is complete garbage for the most part

@whatsisname ok now that's a stretch. What are you even talking about?

user41796

@whatsisname look into powershell

I don't know really

user41796

8:13 PM

dos batch is crap, agreed. powershell is quite powerfull

I still am a fan of Windowss dir /s foo. I just kind of like it better than typing find . -iname foo

powershell is garbage too, it only seems nice because you've become accustomed to garbage of windows

user41796

They stole just about every useful unix scripting aspect that they could to create powershell

find is the one *nix utility that I always seem to need but can never remember how to use correctly, so I just make do with grep -r --include

the visual studio environment was a bit shitty pre Visual Studio 2005 when it came to headlessness, but '05 everything went over to MSBuild which was a full command line entry point for all their development facilities, and you could always - since late 90s at least - use NTSD as a command line debugger

@Ixrec I can only ever remember --name for find, otherwise if you do it in a folder it just recursively lists everything below that I think which you can |grep -i

8:15 PM

@GlenH7: except for a non braindead tab completion

I don't think anyone will ever argue that windows shells are remotely as good as Unix ones... :(

I don't know what's worse--the fact that after 15 years of using tar I still can't keep the flags straight, or that after 15 years of technological advancement I'm still mucking with tar flags that were 15 years old when I started.

-xzvf

Boom.

you don't want it to go boom. lol

Anyway, if you don't like the command-line tools, this is no excuse. You can just make your own tools. Making a simple grep tool for example is one of the first C exercises in the C programming book. You can add an -r switch if you care about it. And leave out all the other stuff that you never use.

@JimmyHoffa I vaguely recall that the thing I always want to do is something like find --name *.cpp --exec grep foobar \{};...but probably not quite that

and find is not very helpful when you get the command very slightly wrong

grep is just simpler

8:16 PM

@enderland I have never understood why anyone gave two shits about a "shell"... unix or windows, you just navigate directories and execute programs written in languages, or scripts written in languages, and none of that has shit to do with the shell unless you're talking about the shell scripting languages

@whatsisname what's wrong with the tab completion?

navigating directories cmd already sucks because of its dumb tab completion

@whatsisname ?? what's dumb about it, it works fine...

how is it's tab completion different from a unix shell?

two things wrong with it:

one, when you tab complete it blasts everything in front of the cursor

@whatsisname ok, that is stupid, I'll give you that one.

@Brandin if the functionality we were after was as simple as grep we'd totally do that, but we're talking about an entire application framework, writing the tools ourselves would involve reverse engineering most of said framework

8:18 PM

two, when you tab complete, in bash, it completes until there is a collision then stops, then lists what options are remaining

in windows, it completes it with the first thing that matches, then you have to cycle through to find what you want

@whatsisname and? I prefer cycling

which means you might have to hit tab a bunch of times to get there, or backspace a bunch then tab again

also, I have found that watching people using a shell without using tab completion is 1) infuriating, and 2) a good indicator if someone is good at their job or not

@whatsisname yeah... ok. That's slightly annoying. But if you give a crap you can always just run a different terminal than cmd in windows, they all work

@Ixrec "ack" (Ubuntu: "ack-grep") is the best program ever – it knows about source file types, so "ack foobar --type=cpp" works beautifully

@whatsisname yes, absolutely true.

8:20 PM

@amon if our backend code gets to the point where we work mostly on Linux, I'll look into tools like that

@amon yeah, but I have yet to hear what ack does other than some form of "everything" which is not helpful

for now we spend most of our backend time on Unixes (and most of our total time on frontend code anyway)

especially when they then take a minute to hunt down their typo that they are forgetting an r in Progam Files or something

@whatsisname what about using the "forward word/backwards word/end/beginning" shortcuts? that's also painful. WHY ARE YOU USING ARROW KEYS ALL. THE. TIME. :(

@Ixrec you can use all those tools in windows too..

8:21 PM

@JimmyHoffa I wasn't alluding to Windows

@whatsisname I'm with you on watching other people operating a computer being just infuriating in all fashions. I take it as a time to just sit back and relax because everyone else does everything so slowly.

@Ixrec you don't have those tools in your unix? O_o

ack is older than dirt I believe

@JimmyHoffa also, when people right click / copy/paste I want to cry

also I didn't mean to turn this convo into rant mode but whatever people seem to enjoy it

to be honest I haven't even thought to check, I generally assume any cool open-source-y thing I hear of "out here" won't run on those old systems

@enderland: or when they use the mouse to move from username to password instead of tab?

8:23 PM

and I have no idea what ack does anyway so who cares

@whatsisname lol I have a script to auto enter my username/password :P

(if it's just a better grep, well, I'm happy with grep)

@whatsisname it's friday and we're trying to convince @Ixrec to leave! :)

we're what now?

20 mins ago, by Ixrec

so does anyone have something more cheerful to discuss? I'm not really in the mood for further ranting about how terrible life in America is these days (no matter how true it is)

8:25 PM

well we aren't ranting about that any more are we? =)

@enderland the one for me is people using their mouse to look for things in their start menu... you just hit windows key and start typing and whatever it is you wanted comes right up... drop that mouse, and use alt-tab to switch windows too, what the hell is this stupid mouse thing? Bah, mice.

@JimmyHoffa: in my opinion that one is forgivable because the run command and start menu items and whatnot has a weird mapping

@JimmyHoffa lol yeah that too, though I just did that since I had to run some apps as different users and needed to right click on it to do so :( though I guess I still did the search for the item anyways :)

or scrolling to the top/bottom of a file... that's what ctrl+home and ctrl+end are for... you have page up/down keys too. Mice are just horrible things.

my personal experience watching other (entirely competent) people at work typing on their systems is that they seem to make a lot more random typos than me, it almost feels like their interest in hyper intelligent editors is to make up for that

8:26 PM

e.g. you can't type "remote desktop connection" into the run dialog and have it work

@whatsisname no, but you can hit windows key and start typing it

however, start menu items are ordered alphabetically so it should only take a moment to find anything

@JimmyHoffa honestly I find the mouse wheel more natural sometimes, though I do sometimes use those shortcuts

@whatsisname windows key puts a search though in win7+

the windows key search is weird though

8:27 PM

@whatsisname press windows and start typing "remote desktop" it'll come right up.

the start menu thing I honestly never realized you could do that, but then I spend very little time opening things from the start menu

@Ixrec I use launchy, which is kind of like quicksilver on mac

so for me alt-space opens up a quick launcher which is a bit more reliably than the startmenu search

@Ixrec: I make tons of typos, that's part of the reason why wonky tab completion makes me rage so much

lol

slow down typing

8:28 PM

what bothers me is that git's autocompletion for branch names recently became painfully slow for me at work, typing out the names myself would literally be faster

user55340

@whatsisname catb.org/jargon/html/D/DWIM.html

@enderland this

user55340

> Warren Teitelman originally wrote DWIM to fix his typos and spelling errors, so it was somewhat idiosyncratic to his style, and would often make hash of anyone else's typos if they were stylistically different. Some victims of DWIM thus claimed that the acronym stood for ‘Damn Warren’s Infernal Machine!'.

In one notorious incident, Warren added a DWIM feature to the command interpreter used at Xerox PARC. One day another hacker there typed delete *$ to free up some disk space. (The editor there named backup files by appending $ to the original file name, so he was trying to delete any ba…

@whatsisname this game made me a ridiculously accurate typer - play.typeracer.com - since you have to type perfectly, first try, it'll make you realize how many typos you make and then you'll slow down slightly, and get WAY better at typing

@whatsisname hahaha, so you're trashing windows command prompt because you didn't spend enough time with Reader Rabbit? :P

8:29 PM

lol

user55340

(hacker in the old sense of the word)

eh, my typing speed/typo ratio is good enough for my life

i never played reader rabbit so I guess so @JimmyHoffa

@MichaelT "Do The Right Thing" is a key phrase from the corporate policy we're required to learn about...

my typing speed is good enough that typing is never the bottleneck

so any editor feature that claims to improve typing efficiency is of no particular value to me

I find that emails are where typing speed really matters

And of course, The Whiteboard chat :)

And Stack Exchange in general

true, I do have to pay fairly close attention to keep up with this chat room when everyone's as active as they were a minute ago

seems to have calmed down now

8:32 PM

@Ixrec Scotch ~~SCOTCH~~ scotch!

maybe I need to complain about work more so everyone will react at how terrible it sounds again

(even though I seem to enjoy my job more than half the people in this chat...)

user41796

@enderland Not bad, just clocked in at 70+ without much recent practice

@Ixrec I was wondering the other day about this very question - was thinking of creating a poll here, "do you like your job?" where the only options are yes/no

@GlenH7 when I did that my average was about 105-110 or so, I forget now (I did this as a timewaster in college a fair bit, it's been around a while)

there might be a little bit of selection bias involved

@Ixrec actually I think most of us are in pretty good shape these days.. I love my job ca. 3 mos now. @GlenH7 and @ThomasOwens don't complain and @MichaelT sounds pleased where he is. @maple_shaft can't be happy, he lives in the burgh. That place was cursed by an angry metal witch decades ago.

user41796

8:34 PM

@enderland That's the first timed test I've done in quite a while

user41796

I may have to have my kids play with it a bit to help them become better typists

@GlenH7 Yeah, the punctuation is what makes that hard (or easy, depending on which ones you do)

user55340

@JimmyHoffa If I'm not being forced to work absurd hours, I'm fairly happy anywhere.

@JimmyHoffa glad to hear it, people should voice that positivity more often

user41796

I'm happy with 60%+ of my job, which is my threshold.

8:35 PM

If you ignore punctuation and only do spelling it's really not that hard to type fast, but if you want to be perfect including everything, it's important

user41796

All jobs have some portion that sucks. So long as it remains less than 40%, it's okay

@GlenH7 ok, how does this work?

@Ixrec I like my job overall, honestly, even though I have some complaints

user55340

I'm more happy when I can do things that are interesting... and that is one of the great disappointments of employer^^^ that the interesting project was sitting on their lap and they decided not to do it even though it needs to be done (we'll outsource it to some consultants if we find we really need it quickly).

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Click on play.typeracer.com and do a practice run or so

8:36 PM

yeah, everyone has some complaints, what you saw me mention above is basically the full list of everything I could complain about

that and the legacy code build systems being utterly incomprehensible

user41796

I wish people would talk more quietly at my office.

user41796

Or at least have the people who designed the floorplans put in more sound breaks with full height / to the ceiling walls.

@GlenH7 107, neener neener

play.typeracer.com/?rt=xpyoz1vixbqc

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I'm not hopped up on coffee at the moment. :-D

@GlenH7 me neither, and I have a cold; which reminds me I need to go get my insurance info off the internets to see a damned doctor today...

8:40 PM

and now I have finally convinced my iTunes that it is in fact capable of playing video files on this laptop (not sure how it got the impression it couldn't anymore...), so I will go watch some Star Trek

> Congrats, you just typed 116 wpm! We have to ask everyone who gets over 100 wpm in a race to take a short typing test. This is done to discourage cheaters. Why?

I need to review C# and .Net, but somehow I'm finding it difficult to open up the editor and take a look at this stuff. Can certain programming languages be inherently depressing?

@Brandin What's your goal

first try on that typeracer thing: Your speed: 84 wpm Accuracy: 96.9%

user41796

@Brandin Visual Basic is, yes

8:43 PM

I've never actually measured myself before, and this is on a laptop precariously balanced on my lap so I feel I could pass 100 if I tried

@Ixrec you had slightly higher accuracy than me

@Ixrec 98 wpm 98.2% accuracy

@Brandin inherently? probably not

@Brandin What is your goal? Why are you reviewing languages?

most programmers have strong preferences when it comes to languages though

user41796

8:44 PM

82 @ 100%; 86 @ 98.4%

ok fine I'll try harder

lol

@Brandin eh? How do you mean? C# is as good a language as you'll typically find in any large software shop...

Odd, actually, I took some time recently to automate a task in Excel using VBA, and I thought it was pretty cool. Each language and environment has it's own quirks and things that are done differently than others. But C#?? What does it do that is really like "oh this is pretty cool"

I have to wait for competitors!?

just measure my wpm!

8:45 PM

@Brandin Do you know C# well at all?

@Brandin you've just answered your own question why it's boring; if you answer my question i'll explain.

that's like asking "What does English do so well it makes you think this is cooler than all the other languages?"

so for Typeracer, I just logged in - my average all time was 106 WPM, but last 10 (from several years ago?) was 110

@Brandin VBA has its cool things, but it also has significant drawbacks (trust me :) )

Congrats, you just typed 100 wpm! We have to ask everyone who gets over 100 wpm in a race to take a short typing test. This is done to discourage cheaters. Why?

yay!

Speed: 102 wpm
Accuracy: 98%
Congratulations! You are now certified as able to type 102 wpm!

ok back to Star Trek

user41796

What's the additional typing test?

8:48 PM

@GlenH7 if you do over 100 wpm it makes you validate you are a human and not a bot

@GlenH7 don't worry about it, you can't type that fast..

you type a paragraph presented as a captcha-style distorted image instead of plain text

user41796

@Ixrec ah, that makes sense

@Brandin Lots of things C# can do that are pretty cool, would you like to hear or see some examples?

got 105 wpm on second race

ironically I struggle the most with punctuation because I use DSK

8:49 PM

I could probably get past 110 if I put this laptop on a table and sat up straight

but meh

so my speed was higher in race two because of less punctuation.

@JimmyHoffa Of course, I'll look for them as I'm reading.

@Ixrec you will find that you notice pretty significantly how posture affects typing speed

I already did notice, hence that comment

@Ixrec getting that on a laptop keyboard is decent to begin with...

8:50 PM

Actually no, I've learned languages from 0 proficiency that were not boring. Ideally, a language should be fun at the very beginning of learning it. And if you haven't looked at it and years and come back to it years later, it should still be fun. Maybe I'm missing something but C# ain't that way.

for some reason when I was in middle school everyone was required to take a touch typing class, I've since realized not everyone has done that but I'm quite glad we did

@Brandin what languages have you learned?

user41796

@Brandin C# isn't meant to be fun. C# is meant to make it easier to get things done.

user41796

and the .NET framework is exceptionally powerful.

offhand I'm not sure I'd categorize any language as necessarily fun to learn right from the get go, though a lot are fun to program in

@Brandin ?? What languages do you categorize as fun as such?

I can think of a lot of languages I find to be significantly more fun than C#, but only JavaScript and Python from that list have any chance of getting paid for

8:52 PM

incidentally, the more typical statement would be "ideally a language should make it easy to do things the right way from the very beginning" (this then leads to bashing C++)

@JimmyHoffa Ruby?

@Ixrec eh, I suppose that one has job opportunities as well.. though I'd need to wear suspenders and grow a handlebar mustache

I remember programming BASIC once on a machine with no editor, just a single-line entry where you type lined commands using something like "10 PRINT "HELLO"" to place a command at source line 10. For some reason that was fun to make a working prorgram on, albeit hella' inpractical.

one's first language is always fun, otherwise one would never continue programming =)

my very first language was "Liberty Basic", never heard of it before or since but that's what the book in my dad's office had a CD for (remember when books came with CDs?)

Making things happen by things you write on a computer is fricking COOL - there are more/less fun ways to do that, but it's still ridiculously cool

My first official computer language used on a computer was Logo, and it was not fun at all. Learning Pascal at school was not fun either. Ugh. But I don't really know what property really makes "fun" or "not fun". Newness is not the property.

8:59 PM

@Brandin what languages do you categorize as "fun" though?

@Brandin Please answer my question. What are you trying to do with C#, right now?

user41796

@Ixrec I remember when books came with floppy disks....

Admiral Ackbar - "It's A Trap!"

behold the stack exchanger's incessant yet surprisingly altruistic impulse to tell people how to ask their questions better

i know, right?

9:01 PM

Anyone remember Hypercard? That was pretty fun to program in.

I've decided that he's blocked me.

Probably couldn't handle my libertarian ravings

I remember old people giving lectures on programming language history that had Hypercard come up in the first third of the story

@durron597 Windows Forms applications, database access, communicatation with web services and some things like that.

user41796

winforms is the very definition of "not fun"

@Brandin See, there's your problem.

The language is not boring, your task is.

9:03 PM

yeah, that's probably not the language's fault

Programming is not inherently fun, doing cool things with programming is fun

user41796

On the scale of evilness, once you get to Cthulhu take another step and you get to winforms.

i mean, unless you like laying out webpages and making sure your css is correct.

I do actually like UI programming a lot

but I get that making UIs pixel perfect is not for everyone

I find it weird that I enjoy tweaking that stuff (as long as I'm given precise instructions from the VX people)

@Ixrec bleh. Good on you, we all need more who do, but I definitely don't. I do however enjoy designing the display structure and the interplay between views and everything else

9:05 PM

Nowadays, I would say Haskell. Haskell is really fun. For example, getting something simple to work and say "Oh that is how it works here" is fun. That should be it. Even if the task is boring, why can't it be fun to get the boring task done. Hell, game designers can make it fun to sit in front of a screen and make Mario jump on goomba's and get extra lives and whatnot. And you will be there doing that for hours and hours without question.

user41796

@Brandin You're just trying to butter up to @JimmyHoffa

@JimmyHoffa I also like the "view juggling" level, or whatever you call the bit of easily-testable code that lives just under the actual UI code

keeping all the MVC-style frontend code maintainable and testable is certainly the biggest challenge in my current role, and the part I'm most eager to do better at (our test coverage is kinda pitiful)

@Brandin true, but that's because the sole purpose of the game is to be enjoyable, it's not a tool used to accomplish anything useful

the enjoyment I get from my programming job is more, shall we say "constructive" than the enjoyment I get from a good video game or movie

@Ixrec VTC: Primarily Opinion Based

user41796

@Ixrec Today was a pay day for me. That's about as constructive as it gets.

yeah, the money helps too

9:15 PM

hmmm we missed our budget date for october...

there's not an easy way to write a C# app without Visual$tudio right? I don't know if I'll be able to convince people to get me a license to just screw around with it...

user41796

Use the community / express edition

@enderland mono

I think that the free VS has some actual terms and conditions though that prevent me from using it at work

user41796

It's no longer the hand-me-down that it used to be

admittedly, most of the "useful" things we do with code these days consist of dealing with or working around preexisting code that is in some way insufficient

user image

user41796

9:17 PM

@enderland They revamped a lot of things with the 2015 edition, so it's worth looking again

@durron597 bah, this isn't in our approved list

@GlenH7 hmmm

user41796

MS is less and less about making money off of devs backs and more about taking a cut of what's created

> An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learning environment, for academic research, or for contributing to open source projects.

For all other usage scenarios:
In non-enterprise organizations, up to five users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or >$1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.

we definitely don't fit that, unless I make my app open source (which would probably be impossible at my company, lol!)

user41796

d'oh bart

someone give me some good music to code to that isn't the tron soundtrack please

i want to finish something up and having trouble motivating myself at 4:20 pm a friday

user41796

9:20 PM

@durron597 I've been listening to ocean waves all day long. Too many conversations going on around me

@enderland ideone.com/2m8lPq

@durron597 is this for a PPCG challenge?

user41796

Coworker who meant to help me inadvertently stomped my code. :-(

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@GlenH7 I had someone help me "fix" a git merge problem once. His solution did fix it... blew away all my changes too...

9:22 PM

@Ixrec did you click on enderland's link?

@GlenH7 what kind of stomp?

what VCS do you use @GlenH7?

@durron597 yes, why?

that's why I pasted that link... never mind.

user41796

@Ixrec As in completely deleted it

9:23 PM

@GlenH7 how?

and it wasn't committed locally?

user41796

I had checked in my code so he could work on some UI portions that I'm not as good at. But he stomped a bit of my controller code while pruing out dead code.

user41796

@Ixrec You're funny. We use TFS.

=(

@GlenH7 another one of those "small annoyances" huh?

user41796

9:24 PM

Yep, pretty much

and you guys made fun of our proprietary IDE problems

user41796

But I'm 99% certain the stomping was unintentional

okay i've settled on this: youtube.com/watch?v=Kgny67NTtw0

user41796

It does give me a hint as to how others on the team appear to knock code out quickly though

user41796

@Ixrec For the record, I did not.

9:25 PM

@GlenH7 "merge conflicts? delete their checkin!"

at least most of our legacy code is in a subversion repo, with automagically enforced validation/build checks on each commit

user41796

At least TFS makes it trivial to see the changes between two versions of the file

also @durron597 I don't think I want to know how that Ruby code actually generates that output

user41796

@Ixrec svn has some good hooks to it and a very wide base of examples to pull from

@GlenH7 git diff hash..hash file ?

@GlenH7 it's also a pretty decent VCS

9:28 PM

git >> svn >>>>> everything else

@durron597 mercurial is basically git

so I'd put that above svn for sure

I should find an excuse to use mercurial for something

why

@enderland okay

@whatsisname because I keep hearing good things about it but I have no experience with it

9:30 PM

@Ixrec eh, if you use git, I don't think you'll be omg-wowed by mercurial

@enderland what I've heard is git is the more powerful one but mercurial the more intuitive/user-friendly one

mercurial is alright, but I can't imagine any reason to use it for the sake of using it

I thought using various random tools on the internet just to see if they're any good was a routine activity for programmers

it's pretty "are you using windows and encountering the situations where git causes problems"

and if that's yes, then look at mercurial

if that's no, do something more fun

well, that would be why I haven't gotten around to it

9:34 PM

the "for what" is what's important

tools exist to perform things and so you can't evaluate if something is good or not if you don't have a good reason for using the rool

otherwise the most glorious table saw is useless to someone that handcarves dollhouse figurines

9:46 PM

ugh, wasps in our apartment, AGAIN

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