The Whiteboard

12:18 AM

@JimmyHoffa Not really

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Q: How can I make recursive templates in AngularJS when using nested objects?

I'm trying to build a form dynamically from a JSON ojbect, which contains nested groups of form elements: $scope.formData = [ {label:'First Name', type:'text', required:'true'}, {label:'Last Name', type:'text', required:'true'}, {label:'Coffee Preference', type:'dropdown', options: ["HiT...

Thomas Owens

1:33 PM

Everyone, thank @Oded.

Oded

NP

Ampt

Thank you @Oded!

Oded

misogynistic crap like that deserves immediate deletion.

Thomas Owens

Yes, it does. I debated nuking the user.

Ampt

(I was wondering why we were thanking you, above and beyond our normal daily thanks for your consistent binding close votes)

thorsten müller

1:36 PM

Talking about this "Why women can't code" post? Was this serious or just a troll?

Thomas Owens

@thorstenmüller Yeah. I saw it, but I was not fast enough to handle it with the ban hammer of justice.

Ampt

I didn't even see it, but I'll just use my imagination

Oded

I'd say troll, though OP has both SO and Security accounts.

Ampt

2:03 PM

Should I ready my pitchfork?

Thomas Owens

I wish there was a message queue that was easier to deploy. Although I'm still not sure if a message queue is what I want to use. The pub-sub nature makes sense, but I'd need to figure out how to do client management.

user41796

2:21 PM

@thorstenmüller IIRC that user has a history of crap questions on the site. Not quite as trollish as that last one, but definitely low quality.

user41796

A diamond would need to go through and pull up there deleted post history.

user41796

@ThomasOwens rabbit mq seems pretty lightweight from that point of view

user41796

And is your client in a browser or thicker than that?

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 So, here's my idea.

I have a desktop app. Well, probably two. An "employee" and a "manager" app or view, depending on how I structure it. The "employee" app is an electronic andon/status indicator + time tracker that publishes statuses to the manager app.

I may want to integrate chat in it, for the hell of it, too.

user41796

pub / sub is probably the most reliable way of dealing with the inevitable disconnects from different devices

user41796

2:26 PM

If you were going to go with a browser, there are other technologies to consider in order to handle the event notification

Thomas Owens

I'm a bit wondering if I should have employee/employee connections, as well, though. Chat is a bit beyond what I'm trying to do. I think most places already have a chat system, so I think I should focus on the statusing/andon and time tracking.

I could go with a web app, I suppose. But a desktop app would be less intrusive if it sits in the tray.

user41796

There's pros/cons to both approaches

Thomas Owens

I'm thinking desktop app so it's more background based. I don't want the user to consistently have a window open to use the features.

user41796

I'd actually use company culture as the guiding factor to decide. If folk are used to having apps running like that or if corp IT wants to wrap it into startup scripts, then go with a desktop app

Thomas Owens

A small menu in the tray should be sufficient to start/stop time tracking, change andon status, etc.

I wonder if it's possible to integrate with SharePoint...

user41796

2:28 PM

And I wouldn't worry about the chat functionality. I'm assuming your company already has a chat client

Thomas Owens

Yeah. I suspect most companies have internal chat already.

user41796

@ThomasOwens anything is possible...

user41796

Actually, MS just revamped the tooling to integrate with sharepoint so it's supposed to be a lot easier.

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 At Zombocom?

user41796

I won't touch sharepoint with a 10' pole as it's a career killer from my point of view.

user41796

2:29 PM

They announced something around DevIntersections Orlando back in April

Thomas Owens

Oh, I'm not going to develop the SharePoint connectivity. I was thinking if someone wanted to, though, how could I allow someone to connect SharePoint to view employee statusus.

user41796

@ThomasOwens with pub / sub it's ridiculously easy

user41796

add another listener, and pipe to sharepoint

Thomas Owens

Maybe I should dive into C# for this app?

Although I'm a huge fan of JVM development. Java, Scala, etc.

user41796

rabbit mq has adapters for a few languages, I think.

user41796

2:32 PM

We tapped into it with c#

user41796

C# will likely make it easier to deploy a desktop app though

Thomas Owens

Java, .NET, and Erlang.

For Rabbit.

user41796

.NET is the lingua franca of Windows

Thomas Owens

Yeah. But what about the Linux environment? Or companies that use Macs?

user41796

You want cross-platform too?

user41796

2:34 PM

You're getting demanding here... :-)

Thomas Owens

Mono is nice and all, but it's not...perfect.

user41796

IMO mono is still a non-starter in the enterprise environment

user41796

Then again, linux and even my beloved mac are essentially non-starters in the enterprise environment

user41796

google may help turn that around with the enterprise admin tools they are building for macs. But that needs more time

Thomas Owens

The target audience is a company. I suppose this woudl be useful for distributed teams and start-ups as welll.

user41796

2:35 PM

For overall UI though, I'd argue that native is the way to go

Thomas Owens

SWT.

>_>

user41796

So this is an app you're developing on your own and not for something at work?

Thomas Owens

Yeah. Someone did ask me about something like this, though, for his small office.

user41796

ah, ok

user41796

Honestly, I think you're better off targeting a single platform than worrying about targeting cross platform.

Thomas Owens

2:38 PM

It's a small group of contractors, so time tracking is important. And because they have private offices, having some kind of "red/yellow/green" statusing is better than "busy/away/available" on IM (especially when people are not using a computer to do their work).

user41796

If you use some sort of queue mechanism, then the harder part (central communications) is already solved.

Thomas Owens

I am more comfortable with Java and Scala than C#, though.

user41796

and you can build clients / managers as needed from there

Thomas Owens

And deploying JMS seems like overkill. Something lighter weight is better.

user41796

ah....

user41796

2:39 PM

Your requirements are changing. Or more accurately, my assumptions about your requirements are changing

Thomas Owens

It's very vague right now. But it seems like it's a nice distributed project. I've wanted to do something distributed in nature.

user41796

I still don't think you want to tackle a chat client though. Too many alternatives with a richer functionality already exist

Thomas Owens

Yeah.

I think I'm dropping that. At least initially. I can always add other features later, but I suspect things like to-do lists and chat and email are solved problems.

user41796

C# would probably give you better hooks into Windows and your best shot at making it look like a native and unobtrusive app. Java is going to give you a better shot at cross platform availability

user41796

And it's worth asking your friend what platforms are currently in use and if a central server is available to run the queue from

Thomas Owens

2:43 PM

Yeah. If there's no central server, that could be an issue.

For Rabbit MQ, there is an Objective-C wrapper. I wonder if that means someone could make a mobile app to interface with the server.

user41796

quite probably

Thomas Owens

And the JAR works on Android, apparently. I need to think this through some more, but yeah.

user41796

There are other lightweight queue systems out there too. I forget what drew us to Rabbit, but there was some constraint on our side that made them the best option.

user41796

Cordova / phonegap is sometimes held up as approaching the holy grail of write once, compile to multiple mobile platforms

Thomas Owens

Oh crap. The next generation of ActiveMQ...ActiveMQ Apollo.

queues.io = listing of message queues.

user41796

2:47 PM

Well, the tag line of "boldly go where no man has gone before" has already been taken, AFAIK.

user41796

There's an old saying to the effect of "If you need to ask...." Your question is a poor fit for Programmers as it's a trifecta of primarily opinion based, too broad, and a veiled recommendation request for what language to learn next. — GlenH7 7 secs ago

user41796

The only thing that will be interesting about that question is to see what the final close vote reason is.

Ampt

How about Primarily Opinion Based?

user41796

3:02 PM

Works for me.

Thomas Owens

I found an implementation of a Chain of Responsibility. But I can't share it, for a number of reasons. :\

user55340

@YannisRizos about that evil mod that locked it... maybe he should redo the lock as a collaborative lock?

user55340

So... whee (catching up on all the back chat)

Ampt

Welcome back @MichaelT!

Hey, everyone look, @MichaelT is back!

I hope that @MichaelT doesn't mind if I ping him a few times while he's trying to catch up on all the old pings

user41796

@MichaelT And..... how'd it go?

user41796

3:05 PM

@ThomasOwens Life is like that

user55340

I think it went well.

2

Ampt

Congrats!

user41796

I've seen some amazingly cool stuff that is locked up under NDA or professional obligation to past employers

user41796

@MichaelT So have they called back yet? :-)

user55340

Its a mature company - its not one where you go in and have to fix the build to get any productivity done.

user55340

3:06 PM

@GlenH7 not yet...

user41796

@MichaelT I'll try not to be insufferable about that for you. :-)

user55340

The day was 2 devs, HR, dev, product owner, manager... the devs each had a whiteboard problem (not going to go into what the exact nature of it was - one was a social network problem, another was system design, and another was class hierarchy design).

user41796

Did you get to say "Oh, I answered that one already on Programmers. Let me pull up the answer for you..."

user55340

"Close as too broad..."

user55340

Actually, none of them where... and I would close them as too broad if they were asked here.

user41796

3:12 PM

5 - 6 interviews makes for a long day. Glad you survived. Hopefully they bought you a decent lunch too

Ampt

wouldn't that be handy. Walk into the interview with a hand full of close votes

user55340

Monday they asked if I had dietarary restrictions (nope), and when I got in for the interview, they asked if turkey sub was ok (Milo's) and if I liked sprouts on there (nope). There was a basket of snack food on the table that had pop tarts, trail mix, and a fair amount of hard candy.

Robert Harvey

You somewhat overstate the professionalism case, and understate the enormous benefit of a shorter time to market. I did work in the kind of cowboy coding environment you describe for a few years, and while I wasn't always proud of the result, I am proud of the fact that the small company I worked for doubled its revenue at the height of the great recession, largely on the software foundation I took part in creating. — Robert Harvey 3 mins ago

user41796

@MichaelT Wasn't quite what I was envisioning for an interview lunch, but okay

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens ActiveMQ is pretty damn easy to deploy

then again I've never deployed it in *nix so maybe it's harder there

user41796

3:17 PM

@RobertHarvey I'm tempted to VTC just because of the lengthy comment threads

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT brown bag lunch interview?

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I CAN HAZ TEH CHIPZ?

user55340

@JimmyHoffa sub, chips, cookie, soda.

Jimmy Hoffa

That would get a rejection from me just on the hiring-practices-fail, if you're skimping that badly on hiring you're probably only hiring the cheapest worst employees who have nowhere better to go. I wouldn't want to work with those people.

Ampt

@MichaelT solid, non-messy lunch. very considerate

plus it's not too rich or heavy to put you in a food coma

user55340

3:19 PM

Also not too heavy... yep. Food coma for afternoon would be bad.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa you'd turn your nose up over a sub, chips, and a cookie?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT lunch interview should mean company takes you to lunch as they want to look like a desirable company to work for, or in their case - they want to look like a cheap company to work for. As for food coma, don't order garbage food when they take you out

Ampt

what do you want, a 7 course lunch?

Robert Harvey

I wouldn't put too much stock in the kind of food an employer offers to interviewees. Not every company has a chef on staff.

Most don't.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt Every lunch interview I ever had was the company I was interviewing with taking me out to lunch over the interview... knowing how little it costs a company to do that and having had it done in the past, it just makes employers who won't cough up the $50 for me and the interviewer look like they don't care

user55340

3:21 PM

The options for 'lets go out somewhere close by' in that neighborhood is... well, either you're driving (which has its own fun parking challenges) or going to some ethnic (which can be challenging)... or a pub.

Robert Harvey

Who interviews during lunch?

user55340

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey only happened with long interviews

like get their at 10, leave at 3

Ampt

yeah. someone who can't give me the time to enjoy my meal get a pass from me. I mean, do they not value my time? </s>

user41796

@MichaelT delivery makes a lot more sense in that case

user41796

3:23 PM

@RobertHarvey I've had a few

Ampt

I would have opted for avenue bar

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt why wouldn't they give you time in the restaurant? deliver would be fine too

user41796

generally because of all day interviews or an interview on either side of the lunch hour

user55340

pub, pub, tavern, tavern, beer+burger+billiards, distillery, thai, mediterranian bistro, hip spot for asian, grommet NY style pizza (I've been to that one before), pasta company, Lao Laax-Xan(?), Jamacian, Pizza, Thai...

Robert Harvey

Longest interview I've ever been on lasted two hours, and that's only because they wanted to introduce me to the other team members.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:24 PM

@RobertHarvey wow... maybe people just are really uncertain about me, my interviews probably average 2 hours...

I don't recall an interview where I didn't spend 30-45 minutes with at least 2 separate people

user55340

45 min x3 from 9am, lunch 1h (there was a public wifi network available), and then 45 min x3 after lunch.

user55340

(there was a 15 min break in the after lunch to get schedules lined up with meetings I presume)

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT what'd you think?

or was that your longest interview?

user55340

Lots of people, lots of teams, mature company and processes. Reduction of operational time is important and budgeted at about 10-20%/sprint (though some times there are sprints entirely for 'lets fix stuff to make the pager lower'). They take getting the right people seriously.

user41796

@MichaelT Your work at Employer^ should have been a perfect comparison then

user55340

3:29 PM

At Employer^, it was 1h with 3 people. Employer^^ was 1h with 3 people. Employer^^^ was "you look good and you can fix that regex problem we gave you" which was really about 15 min...

user41796

@MichaelT but you still had 2 problems after fixing the regex

user55340

@GlenH7 Employer^ was still very cow boy coding. I really wish I could have done more to move them forward (but that wasn't immediately recognizable as revenue generating). Employer^^ was trying to move forward and if you got the right team with the right manager... you could do it (too bad everything else sucked).

Robert Harvey

@JimmyHoffa How many of those resulted in a hire? I would think that if a company was willing to spend all day and $50 for lunch on an interview with me, that I'd be at the top of a very short list.

user55340

The biggest disappointment with Employer^^ was the culture. If the culture was not "those computer people are a drain on the bottom line" (but instead "those computer people help reduce everyone else's expenses and can be a cost savings")... its quite possible I would still have been there.

user41796

@RobertHarvey Usually you're on the short list by that point, but not always

user41796

3:32 PM

Accenture had the longest round of interviews in my case

user41796

4 interviews total, IIRC. 2 on campus, one at something + a dinner, and a 4th at the office.

user55340

Going back further... Employer^^^^ was "do you pass a drug test" and 5 min at the site (note that *Employer{4} was the same as *Employer{6}), Employer{5} was a lunch (and that was it)... Employer{6} was a phone interview only.

user41796

I was told the 4th was essentially a formality - you had to eff things up badly to not get your offer at the end of the day on the 4th interview.

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 Did you wind up working for them? Was the rest of their culture similar to the interview?

user55340

(Employer{4} and {6} were contracting companies - thus the * is a dereference.

user41796

3:34 PM

@RobertHarvey Got the offer; went to grad school instead.

user41796

I'll never know if that was the right decision or not

Robert Harvey

Such is life.

user41796

But even then, I was likely looking at 5-and-done.

user41796

The career ladder they advertised to me was that I ought to be a Manager (3rd rung) by 5 years and you switch from hourly to salary. But the expectation on hours didn't go down just because you switched to salary

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT these sorts of things are why I get leary about something like company won't spring $50 for a meal for someone they're trying to woo - it's a symptom and after working in enough places where they hated their software people I'm very skittish when I see symptoms of that culture

user41796

3:35 PM

So I viewed it as a case of vest and move on.

Jimmy Hoffa

...because they are effing horrible company's to work for.

@GlenH7 plus you'd have to be a manager...

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I think the environmental circumstances explain why they did delivery. Too difficult to say "hey, how about Thai" knowing that a candidate will feel pressured to say "yes" to whatever is suggested.

user55340

Heh... not too far away:

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 delivery would be fine

user55340

user41796

3:36 PM

@JimmyHoffa Yeah, I wasn't relishing that part either. Although they had technical managers without people responsibilities.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 sounds like project managers

user41796

But their career ladder would have consistently moved me away from hands-on tech work.

Jimmy Hoffa

I think I want to be a senior engineer forever.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa you've definitely got the senior bit down!

user55340

Jimmy Hoffa

3:37 PM

I really can't imagine taking a role doing anything else

user41796

@MichaelT If you work there, inspiration won't be too hard to find.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa just think of who they could have scared away there.

user15026

@MichaelT That is very specific.

user55340

@GlenH7 honestly, I've shopped there before. My parents are into hydroponics (fresh tomatoes in the winter) and we bought some properly colored grow lights for that.

user55340

@GlenH7 brewandgrow.com

Ampt

3:39 PM

@AshleyNunn hey man, know your market.

user55340

>
Brew & Grow offers an extensive selection of supplies and ingredients for home beer brewing and wine making, as well as comprehensive selection of indoor gardening supplies and hydroponic equipment. For the home beer brewer we carry hops, dozens of grain varieties, yeasts for lagers and ales, brewing equipment, and brew kits. We also offer everything you need for wine making and soda pop. For the plant grower, we have indoor grow lights, fertilizers & supplements, irrigation systems, testing equipment, organics, natural pest controls, and lots of other wonderful gardening toys.

Ampt

been to a Brew & Growbefore actually. It's exactly what you would think

user41796

I'd like to get some barley and hops growing next spring.

Jimmy Hoffa

that's pretty cool

Ampt

@GlenH7 Go to your local home brew store that doesn't happen to be selling stuff to grow "Indoor tomatoes"

Jimmy Hoffa

3:41 PM

@Ampt he hasn't moved to colorado or washington yet...

user15026

@Ampt This is true.

Jimmy Hoffa

ironically, hydroponics stores have been cropping up everywhere out here, fancy that...

user41796

@Ampt Only hops I've found so far are bare root and they ship early spring. Barley should be much easier to come by, I think

user55340

This is Wisconsin and the "Midwest Harvest Festival"

user41796

@JimmyHoffa The old MMJ laws allowed 6 plants per person, IIRC

Ampt

3:42 PM

Not that theres anything wrong with it, it's just that the time I went to B&G it was dark, dirty, and I'm not sure that I would want to ingest anything that came from equipment sold in that store

no matter how well I sterilized everything

user55340

I'll not disturb your searches or company firewalls with the actual text or urls there.

Ampt

OTOH @GlenH7 if you do grow some hops, I'd love to purchase some. My dad and I are always looking for new hops to toy with

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 the current laws allow I think 6 plants per person for anyone

user41796

@Ampt That's the other hard part - picking cultivars. :-(

user55340

3:44 PM

@Ampt Compare it with a regular garden store and... ?

user41796

@JimmyHoffa makes sense.

Jimmy Hoffa

Thomas Owens

Is there no emjoi for a cupcake? Or a muffin?

user41796

Speaking MMJ and MJ, did anyone notice the NYT oped in favor of legalization? Kind of like hell freezing over given some of their previous opeds against MJ

Ampt

@MichaelT it's like home depot, if home depot had drop ceilings that almost scratched your head, and everything was painted black, and all the employees moonlighted as punk rock screamo bands

@GlenH7 the politicians are seeing the tax $$$$$ and drooling

user55340

3:45 PM

@ThomasOwens 🍰🎂

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 they're going to start showing up everywhere now that it's totally legal in 2 states and there hasn't been any crazy shit happening. Though that's partially I suspect related to the fact that these states already had a population treating it as legal, other states where it's not already everywhere might have a bit more of a shock if they go legal...

user55340

🍺🍻

Jimmy Hoffa

the sky didn't fall

user41796

@Ampt Well, this is the New York Times. One of the previously staunchest opponents to relaxing any of the laws against MJ

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT That's beer.

Ampt

3:47 PM

I just see squares

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I didn't look at it, but it's an oped, even the new york times let's people write op eds that say all sort of things regardless of their institutional stance

Ampt

you guys must be using your imagination a lot better than me

user55340

businessinsider.com/19-emoji-you-wish-existed-2014-1

user55340

> You can never have too many emoji, and while everyone has their favorite (red dress woman!), there are a few that we really can't believe aren't a part of the collection.

Where are the cupcakes? Where are the shot glasses?

How do these not already exist? We were wondering the same thing.

Ampt

do I need some kind of addon for chrome?

user41796

3:48 PM

@JimmyHoffa No, it's the whole editorial board that's switched their stances and collectively wrote the pieces. It's a huge piece. They've broken the thing out into 6 or 7 days worth of articles.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 wow

ok that is interesting

user41796

yeah. This isn't "we're showing tolerance by allowing some guest editor." This is the whole freaking NYT editorial board coming out in favor of legalization.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 the other piece of the puzzle is there is oodles and oodles of money to be made in that industry which is now actually being made - so there will now be money behind the lobby to legalize where before the legalization in 2 states, there could be no industrial backing of a lobby for such

that lobbying will mean more articles like that

user55340

Oh... had fun on monday putting "pirate treasure" in my niece & nephew's sandbox. Got some plastic 'gems' and 'gold doubloons' (or at least thats what they called them) and put them in the sandbox. They've got a sieve for it... and they were finding them and getting real excited.

user15026

@MichaelT That sounds like it would have been super awesome

user55340

3:55 PM

Rather amusing watching them discover treasure in the sand box.

user55340

my niece (4yo) called her brother (2.5yo) a pirate because he kept burying the treasure that she'd find.

user15026

@MichaelT that is adorable.

Ampt

Speaking of treasure, I just ordered dice for my DnD campaign... I'm just a little bit excited

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT kids love change too, my kid's got a pile of pennies and nickles and anytime he sees them he grabs them up

pennies make him so happy it's ridiculous, though quarters being so much rarer are very exciting heh

Robert Harvey

@MichaelT Is that a joke? Emoji are racist because minorities are not adequately represented?

user55340

3:59 PM

(I also stuck some quarters in there too just before I left... there's one in some sand in the sieve)

user55340

@RobertHarvey Its... a bit extreme. If you look at them, North America and East Asia are the ones that are most represented... but the coloration of the people in there is... well, thats not part of the emoji itself.

Robert Harvey

Last time I checked, African Americans had access to the same graphics tools that I do.

user15026

@Ampt I still need to get dice of my own.

Ampt

@AshleyNunn got 3 sets of Chessex die, plus I already owned 12 d6 from chessex haha

Robert Harvey

In other news, what's an emoji?

>_<

user55340

4:01 PM

Characters part of the "Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictrographs" unicode block. fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f481/index.htm

Thomas Owens

@RobertHarvey It's a picture that you use to convey a message.

Ampt

Campaign starts in exactly a week

user55340

@Ampt thinkgeek.com/product/9d0b

user15026

@Ampt Oooh, nice choice :)

user15026

Man, I hate applying for jobs :(

user15026

4:03 PM

I mean this time it is by choice, but still.

Ampt

@AshleyNunn I bought the d6 for MtG playing, and wanted a set to match (they're bright orange with black pips) so I figured going with the same company would get me matching oclors

user55340

@Ampt if you care about your dice... you get GameScience Dice: gamescience.com

Ampt

@MichaelT damnit, I literally just placed my amazon order you jerk

user55340

@Ampt Well, you only need to buy one from them...

user55340

Ampt

4:04 PM

I saw that. looks like too much work haha

Robert Harvey

Looks like a career.

Ampt

According to the diagram... my 6 sided dice rolled a.... 13?

user55340

@Ampt amazon.com/s/…

Ampt

Wait.. let me look again

user15026

@MichaelT That is very confusing looking.

user55340

4:05 PM

@AshleyNunn gamescience.com/newproducts

Ampt

buddy tried to get me to buy metal dice

user55340

D6 is in the square

Ampt

which looked awesome

user55340

@Ampt they deform too 'easily'.

Ampt

@MichaelT steel dice?

user55340

4:06 PM

As a side bit, I once thought about trying to buy into the CDG "Irondie" but looked at the prices and said "screw that"

user15026

@MichaelT That is weird and I think I get it but I would probably need the instruction sheet for a long time

user55340

irondie.com/Gioco.aspx

user55340

amazon.com/One-Single-IronDie-Die-Cast-Six-Sided/dp/B004VEKVPA

user55340

@Ampt you should be making them rather than buying them: kickstarter.com/projects/charliebrumfield/…

Ampt

4:15 PM

@MichaelT I imagine that the wood their using has to be fairly consistent to make sure it's not a loaded die

the box you get with them though... now that I want

user55340

@Ampt awesomedice.com/blog/353/…

user55340

btw, @Ampt go get some button men: cheapass.com/node/39

user55340

(one side bit, there's a lot of interesting math with it too when you get into the strategy: cheapass.com/bpu/bmstrat.html )

user15026

I really should pick up some dice but now my group isnt really playing (which sucks) so I don't know if I need to, really

user15026

A friend of mine on a whim the other week bought a 5lb bag of mixed dice. :)

user55340

4:32 PM

@AshleyNunn print out the button men cards, a set of rules, and say "lets play!"

user15026

@MichaelT It does sound pretty funsies

user55340

@AshleyNunn really simple game... fast to play.

user55340

4:48 PM

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Q: Badge count experiencing cropping at 7 digits

If you have 7 digits of badges on Programmers.SE, you start to experience truncation: With 8 digits of badges, you really get chopped off: This isn't a problem on other Stack Exchange sites: Yea, we've got big balls for our badges, but there might be some adjustments that can...

bug design badges

user55340

@Oded there's one for you.

Oded

Ha

Ampt

request-denied

user55340

@Oded you followed the link?

Oded

Yeah. Will look at it tomorrow.

/me wonders about Skeet badges.

Ampt

4:53 PM

he should have a badge just for being Jon Skeet

Oded

He has. Look at MSE. He has a gold badge for it IIRC.

Or at least, he used to.

When the badge existed.

user41796

@Oded Too many people asking for bronze badges of "Wants to be like Jon Skeet"

user55340

5:47 PM

@Oded I was actually referring to the link within the question... just something fun to slip in there.

user55340

> Yea, we've got big balls for our badges, but there might be some adjustments that can be done to pull in the space so that the current badge distribution is handled (it will be awhile before anyone gets 100 gold or 1000 bronze).

Oded

Naw, missed that. Would have hit it tomorrow, when I am going into the office

user55340

@Oded Make sure you have the volume set at 10 when you click that link

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT 11

FTFY.

user41796

6:37 PM

@MichaelT - have I ever sung the praises of your edits to Shadow Wizards "find questions needing one more delete vote" query? I've been going through there the past few days now.

user55340

@GlenH7 I've got a few raw search ones that I use too...

user55340

Things like is:question closed:yes duplicate:no migrated:no locked:no answers:0..1

user41796

I was getting annoyed at a few locked questions & answers eating up space in the 30 day close vote queue. I had already rolled through everything that was in there and still needed some delete vote therapy

user55340

actually, tweaking that 0..1 to 1..2 is a bit better... the 0s should all be roomba'ed soon.

user41796

until roomba breaks again. ;-)

user55340

6:45 PM

@GlenH7 Then you just flag them all with "Roomba is broken, let @Oded handle this one" (not that it is broken currently... that was just an example)

user41796

I suspect it'll break again at some point

enderland

protip: if you have complaints against mediacom go through their facebook page rather than phone support.

Matt Giltaji

7:03 PM

@enderland I've heard complaints on twitter do well with most companies

they have dedicated support teams watching to avoid getting bad publicity

gnat

@MichaelT speaking of magic SEDE, can you by chance tell how one can get count of users registered, say, before 2012-12-12 and having DaysVisited more than, say, 12? I've got a feeling that it would make studying about new users easier than I originally thought...

enderland

@MattGiltaji Yeah. Unfortunately it's still mediacom, so they still suck, but at least not sucking asmuch!

Robert Harvey

7:35 PM

Chrome just forgot one of the pages that I just visited. I think it's about time I switched to Firefox.

Robert Harvey

7:45 PM

Ah, my mistake. The page was on Programmers, not Stack Overflow.

Chrome, will you forgive me?

Ampt

enderland

Chrome forgave you the minute you even questioned it, knowing you were of course in the wrong

user20683

Questions of existential forgiveness involving technology should be directed here:

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user20683

psr

8:34 PM

@WorldEngineer Sorry, make that "Chrome, will you forgive me, as a programmer?"

Jimmy Hoffa

chrome is refusing to forgive me right now, something I did with angular is causing it to infinite loop - but I haven't the foggiest idea what and it won't break anywhere in my code so I have no idea what code is causing it to just lock up

it's freaking great....

user41796

@JimmyHoffa It knows when you have dark thoughts about it. And its vengeance is swift.

psr

That's been my biggest problem with my little bit of Angular - I make some dumb mistake and the result is a random error 27 levels deep in the template rendering code.

Jimmy Hoffa

@psr yeah, debugging angular is a damned pain in the neck so far...

almost makes me think i should look at using something else just because of fear of long-term maintenance on something where everytime something breaks you've effectively gotta do spaghetti testing until you figure out what's wrong with it...

user20683

8:59 PM

@JimmyHoffa Elm instead?

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