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4:40 AM
Might be fun for the UK types
 
5:16 AM
yeah I read about that a couple weeksago.
 
 
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12:37 PM
Does anyone know what's the differences between these two cleaning products from Muc-Off: Bio Chain Cleaner and Bio Drive Cleaner. One is a spray, the other one is a liquid, but besides that I don't notice a difference. Their descriptions don't say much.
 
 
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2:47 PM
@CristianCiupitu - i dont clean my chain and stuff anymore. not worth the hassle and manufacturers generally recommend something like wiping it down or whatever
but id be wary of a spray. its bound to go somewhere where you dont want it to
 
 
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5:10 PM
@Batman thanks. If I remember correctly you're the SRAM chain guy who leaves his bike outside, yet the chain continues to work fine, right? :-)
 
@CristianCiupitu - yep.
the main problem i have at the moment is that i can't get the pedals off the bike cause they've rusted into place. and my arms don't work cause RSI
 
Shouldn't WD-40 help with this?
 
5:42 PM
not necessarily
i used penetrating oil with no avail
might end up replacing the crnaks
 
 
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9:53 PM
Is there anything special to ashtabula/one piece cranks? I think this one is welded in but its got a bit of slop so want to tweak it.
 
I wonder if it would make sense to jury-rig a tiny bell to brake lever hoods on my bike. I hardly ever use the bell otherwise, as when I need it i want a firm grip with both hands and brakes within reach.
 
@gschenk is the bell mandatory where you live?
 
Fair enough - are they required ?
 
yes
 
separate, are they required to be fitted or required to be used ?
 
9:58 PM
i do not care much about that.
 
cos there's a difference
 
they can be useful though
 
I enjoyed using my bell in China, on one of those yellow bike-sharing bikes.
 
Consider something like that
they're intended for drop bars
 
9:59 PM
It was a real blast ringing it happily whenever I desired, or required.
 
@gschenk does it have to be a bell ?
 
yes, i know those. There are others too. But they are at the tops. I find that rather useless, (except for using them for fun).
I was thinking also of electronics, putting a button on the hoods.
 
I mean - does the legal requirement specify a bell?
These things are RFL airzound.co.uk
 
yes. but i am not concerned with that. the legal requirement is not important.
ah those, for such air horns the legal requirements matter, as they are forbidden. Which is enforced since they are so bloody loud.
 
Do you want a nice polite "ding-ka-ding" or a pants-browning thunder "IMA TRUCK GET OUT OF MY WAY" noise ?
 
10:03 PM
jolly and polite. I rather brake and stop than being an inconvenience to someone.
 
So consider using your voice instead
"Hi there just coming about on your left"
 
It is not a 'Give way!' bell, but a 'don't get startled, there's a bike comming'
Yes, that is what I did, in the past, but I found that a bell is more effective and less intrusive.
To get heard, one has often to yell, which might startle much more.

Today I find bells are rather splendid things to have on a bike.
 
I had a canti-braked bike that managed to howl like a banshee under hard braking. Was almost an auto-braking alert and worked quite well at informing people something was coming.
 
Some V-brakes do this remarkably well. I've often noticed it in the city. Screeching brakes really make me jump out of the way.
 
exactly
its a feature not a problem
 
10:09 PM
Well, I made sure my brakes are silent for that reason.
 
I never figured out why they squealed so bad - couldn't stop it, and couldn't make another bike do the same.
 
As I said, I rather brake for pedestrians and wait for them to move away all by themselves rather than scare them out of my way. However, a polite warning might be useful before passing sometimes.
 
Moving the brake pads to another bike stopped it. Must have been some combination of pads and rum.
Peds in the bike lane annoy me, but at least they tend to notice
cars in the bike lane don't .
Wouldn't it be nice if all cars were convertibles.
 
And as I said, I rather enjoyed ringing my bell in China on a whim. It can be a rather mirthful thing to do, if there is a bell with a pleasant sound.
 
less cage, more connected to the world around them
 
10:13 PM
China cures you of that. Everyone criss-crosses as they please. However, all are taking care to avoid collisions, which made it the most pleasant city cycling I ever did.
 
Sounds like a slow speed bike ride?
 
I was thinking of something like that:
 
I wait for pedestrians too, but still I've never seen too much the point of a bell.
Sometimes I make some sounds similar to the car horn, but that's it.
 
Until recently, me neither. However, it is sometimes useful to announce one's approach. To keep people from steping to the side, unaware there is a bike behind them.
Also when passing other cyclists, especially children. I notice it with mine that he often veers to the left for no reason. While he is careful when he hears a bell from behind.
 
Here people tend to move at the very least to see what's coming from behind if they hear a sound, but if there's no sound, I can just pass at slow speed on their left or right.
 
10:18 PM
I've seen a hideous solution here:
 
I don't see a world of difference using a bell, however, i see some use. What is more, it is an old and well established tradition in bicycles. Which makes it very recogniseable.
 
As long as it doens't need recharging.
 
Yeah, it's recognizable, but the reaction to it it's not very standard or useful.
 
It very much depends on how much bells are used.
 
10:24 PM
Or this mounting defeats the purpose of drop bars
 
Why that? Tops may still be used.
I gather it would not fit over the thicker part of the bar near the clamp
 
I susppose if you're going slow, then being on tops is possible, but you;re a long way from the brakes.
 
ah, ok, it just is a hardly useable bell then.
 
Too many hand positions. I wonder if its possible to put the bell on the glove not the bar.
that way its always near the hand, somehow.
coffee brb
 
on Roadsters one could use the bell while keeping the hands on the brake levers.
cateye.com/en/products/detail/OH-2100/moreinfo
bell with a quick release.
I wonder if people really strip off all of those stuff, computers, bell, lights, and whatnot.
 
10:33 PM
yeah that's a generic teapot style
quite small
I have so many lights, and no, I'm not giving them up.
 
Unfortunately my new workplace is in a tiny overcrowded office for the time being. No showers, no fitness stuido nearby. That more or less rules out bike commuting (and much more bringing my bike up to the office).
 
6 red rears and 4 white fronts
How's the car parking then ?
 
I've no idea.
It's a few steps away from a tram stop.
 
Ahhh lucky
round here cars are too common
 
No luck, selection bias.
 
10:40 PM
I used to drive 1500 metres to work
 
I shouldn't apply to a job if it cannot be reached by public transport.
For that distance I am to lazy to even take out the bike.
I find a 15 to 20 minute walk to work the sweet spot. Any closer and it is difficult for me to get into the mood and concentration for work.
 
Drive 1500 meters?! Why not just walk?
 
Happened to a friend who booked a hotel in the SW USA, just opposite of the office he was working at. About 300 m. However, he had not seen on google maps that there was no way across the street, unless he were to play real-life frogger.
Had to take an uber every time who drove him some two or three km or so just to cross the effin street.
 
10:55 PM
That sucks big time.
 
@CristianCiupitu I used to be a lot fatter, plus I frequently needed car to go onward to other worksites.
 
He said it was the most awful business trip in his life. For every little thing he needed an uber. I suppose it would be difficult to persuade one's company to get a rental car for a whole fortnight for such a thing.
 
Sounds like America - land of the car.
 
Ah, you didn't use the car as conveyance for yourself, but you ferried the car to your place of work.
I think it was Phoenix Arizona. Cannot quite remember.
 
The feeling when you notice that a 27.5" trail bike (GT Avalanche Elite size S) has a slightly longer top tube than a XC bike (Merida Big.Nine 300 size 17")...
 
11:01 PM
To put it in context, friend's a civil engineer from China who worked in the Venezuelan forests and Sudanese semi-desert.
whats a trail bike? is it closer to a downhill or a XC?
 
trail/AM (all mountain); it's closer to downhill
 
3x10?
thought those triples became extremely unfashionable
 
the GT is 3 x 10: 42/32/22 if I remember correctly
Yeah, but they're still found on cheap bikes.
I can't say that I have very strong feet, but on a 26" bike 36 teeth weren't enough for me. On the GT I sometimes use 42 - 13 and quite often 42 - 15, although this happens in the city.
 
I have nothing against 3x. Insignificantly more weight and bulk for a significant increase of gearing range.
 
Perhaps the designers are thinking that you won't go too fast anyway on the trails or country roads, but I still don't see the point of 32 or even 30 teeth unless of course you're also going on very steep hills.
 
11:10 PM
I thought you need the 32 since you cannot shift from a 22 to a 42; 20 cogs difference.
 
I was referring to the case of a single front chain ring. 30T is too few for me.
 
With 11 speed and large cassettes, I tend myself to 1x, and pushing/carrying it when its too steep. (if i were to chose a bike).
 
The XC champion Nino Schurter has 36 or even 38 on the front chain ring even in 1x setup.
 
well, the third word says it all champion
 
I love triples. My secret weapon for my longdog is a quad chainring
26-52 teeth total.
 
11:12 PM
cranking some 300 W without breaking a sweat, you may step up your chainrings quite a bit.
 
Is there such a thing?
 
never seen a quad
 
Yes.
 
I tend not to use the large chainring at all in triples. well i use it at times on purpose, just to use it.
 
Large is good for fast downhills
 
11:14 PM
its a work-bike thing i suppose?
 
I'm forever astonished that people just roll down hills rather than powering down them
 
I just let it roll and tuck in.
It is different on group rides, perhaps.
 
@gschenk dunno - it was on a "Raleigh Delmara" MTB, nothing special. I;m fitting it to a former electric bike as a test for climbing really steep grades.
 
i've seen your long dog @criggie
 
there are public roads around here that I can't climb on the road bike because the front wheel won't stay down
 
11:16 PM
@gschenk how big is your large chain ring?
 
speaking of gear ratios.
the chinese bike-sharing bikes had a mean high gearing
couldn't even get them to a comfortable cadence, would be somewhere near 25 to 30 km/h I estimate. Traffic rols at about 16+/- 2 km/h, judging from feel.
 
@gschenk Have you? Here's someone else's picture
Mine's got no electrics left
 
I mean, I've seen your posts here in chat, and photos.
a bit late here, cheers.
 
Yah - the idea is a bike with a long wheelbase, to see how it goes up hills.
because I'm tall, my roadbike is tall, but the UCI wheelbase thing means its short hence crap at climbing
Trying to see if a long bike makes any difference.
Its cost $10 for the bike, and $37 for new brake pads, and $5 for cables so far.
While riding on the flat, I cannot pop the front wheel like a normal bike. The extra 100mm of chainstay makes that impossible.
 

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