The Whiteboard

Robert Harvey

12:06 AM

@MichaelT Paycheck bounced == Not a Real Job.

user55340

@RobertHarvey paycheck bounced = startup that ran out of money.

Robert Harvey

Like I said.

user55340

They were playing games with when things were deposited and hoping to get money in before the first of the month.

Robert Harvey

Sucks to be them.

user55340

If you were direct deposit, it bounced. If you got a paper check and held off a day, it might go through.

Robert Harvey

12:08 AM

Employer^^ cut my hours to 30 one time, to reduce expenses. I cut them to 20 after I found side work. He got mad about that.

My reaction: "You can't be serious."

user55340

company profile - it existed, and existed for quite some time before I started there.

user55340

I just happened to get in on the very end.

Robert Harvey

They sound familiar...

user55340

The original product was an office competitor (word processor, spreadsheet, small database) that ran on a few unix platforms in the early '90s.

user55340

Then Microsoft Office came out and... well... you know that story.

Robert Harvey

12:11 AM

Ah, yeah, that's where I heard the name.

user55340

So they spent some time and came up with a printer to fax software that had a peer to peer network to cut down on long distance phone call bills.

user55340

And faxes turned out to be the way the technology went... oh, wait.

Robert Harvey

Funny how some companies still go old-school. Faxes are still considered relatively secure.

And you can do ink signatures over fax.

user55340

Lets see if we can muster nine more votes...

user55340

23

Q: What trends do you see for your profession in 30 years?

Think of the profession 30 years ago. When one single guy was able to code a whole computer game alone! Will offshoring will finally take over? Will languages be so high level than our added value will be reduced to zero? Will it be a profession like lawyer or doctor? Will you still be a progra...

user114359

12:16 AM

@MichaelT eight more

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey marriage points are immutable; once destroyed, you can only hope to balance the equation through mutual destruction. It's assured.

@psr nobody ever read any of it except in the countless reviews, but never when it came to maintenance et al. We were just required to have it and agree upon it. Documentation is useless for maintenance despite everyone's claims. Useless. It's useful for testing and various things regarding future decisions through analyzing past ones; but not maintenance.

user114359

If I never hear "Draft Kings" or "Fan Duels" again it will be too soon

Robert Harvey

#fankingdueldrafts

Sounds almost naughty.

Jimmy Hoffa

Wisconsonites question: Add cheese curds to my pizza before cooking? Yay? Nay?

enderland

@JimmyHoffa probably not, what type of cheese curds? a lot of cheese gets really oily when you cook it on a pizza

which might not be a problem, I guess :)

Jimmy Hoffa

12:26 AM

@enderland dunno, never had curds on pizza before; figured if it was a thing you guys would have seen it. Perhaps not a thing.

enderland

So our school has an "office for free" type of thing, but they give you 30 days for access to the download and license key. and then they make you pay to access it - it feels like a money making scheme. "oh it's free but you missed your 30 day deadline SUCKA!"

@JimmyHoffa I've never done that before, but that'd be my thought

only one way to find out for sure... :D

Jimmy Hoffa

so curds on one corner of pizza. Got it.

user114359

@JimmyHoffa ever try provolone on pizza? These guys use provolone and it is pretty good.

enderland

@Snowman oooh I love provolone!

provolone/romano/parmesan... great combo

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman I have, and yes I agree. When I make my own it's mozarella, but a hand full of times I've had those provolone sandwich slices around and tossed them on top of everything else. Provolone + Salami on any pizza makes it better in all ways.

enderland

12:32 AM

-2

Q: Array adding class - Java

Hi i am AJ and i am making a sorting to sort bored games. I am using net-beans. I have checked the grammar. The error is [![enter image description here][1]][1] The code is [![enter image description here][2]][2]

java array

lol this is like the definition of "unclear" since the error is a imgur link that won't display

user114359

@enderland which is exactly my close vote.

user114359

anyone have a link to one of gnat's posts about source code in images?

enderland

@Snowman though let's be real, that one is a gotta catch em all close vote reason question

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland I didn't need to do what I just did, but I can't be helped.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa scotch?

Jimmy Hoffa

12:33 AM

@enderland ~~scotch~~ no! ~~scotch~~ ack where did that come from!? ~~scotch~~ it wasn't! ~~scotch~~ I didn't do it!

user114359

who am I kidding? I don't think anyone cares...

enderland

This might be a good post to read - the way this question is currently worded it's impossible to answer (you cannot post images until you attain a certain rep, why not just edit in the actual code/error?) - meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/6166/52929 — enderland 10 secs ago

Jimmy Hoffa

@Snowman if I thought it was rude, or going to be alive long enough for the user to see what I did I wouldn't have, but 'twas a joke and it'll be deleted before the guy ever notices - if he ever comes back

enderland

Luke Skywalker - I care

►

Jimmy Hoffa

If anyone isn't going to look at the "put your images here" text in their own post, they're unlikely to ever even show back up to see if anyone answered

user114359

12:36 AM

@JimmyHoffa I am pretty sure we are all guilty of some late-night snark on low quality questions like that.

enderland

user114359

enderland

sometimes though I really do amaze myself with my ability to care and guide to help the endless masses flocking to the interwebs

user114359

@enderland I do care about and help the ones who show signs of intelligence.

user114359

the ones who make an attempt to ask an on-topic question with enough information to be answered. Even just an attempt.

enderland

12:41 AM

Yeah, my "are you a valuable poster" signal normally is pretty good nowadays

I am working on a peer review assignment, which is made infinitely harder because this project I'm peer reviewing is terribad. :(

user55340

10

Q: Searching for bad Minecraft questions on Gaming.SE

To preface this post a little bit, I'll explain a little bit of the "backstory" here. On the Stack Exchange site, Gaming.SE, also known as Arqade, often has a large influx of bad questions about the popular video game, Minecraft. Many of these questions are either easy to google, horribly unclear...

sql-server stackexchange t-sql

enderland

1:08 AM

Aside: [[minecraft] score:..-1 is:question](gaming.stackexchange.com/…) in search does much the same thing. You might also want to display the size (as a small size often correlates with a poor question). — MichaelT 10 mins ago

your comment link there asploded

user55340

@enderland its the tag brackets.

enderland

@MichaelT Ahhh, oh well

Duga

1:33 AM

Belongs at programmers.stackexchange.com — ivan_pozdeev 33 secs ago

user55340

"HARDWARE WARS" - 1978 - (The Original Version)

►

Robert Harvey

2:08 AM

@MichaelT "Take it easy, kid. It's only a movie."

user55340

@RobertHarvey No, you go on without me, don't worry about me, I'll be alright.

Robert Harvey

Pssh. Martyr.

May the farce be with you.

user114359

2:30 AM

@MichaelT TL;DR. I'll watch it later. But the little bit I did watch was mildly humorous.

user55340

@Snowman Even more funny when you think about where the cantina is.

user114359

@Snowman where do i do that — user199999 1 min ago

user55340

Hardware Wars

Hardware Wars is a 1978 short film parody of the classic science fiction film Star Wars. The thirteen-minute film, which was released shortly after Star Wars, consisted of little more than inside jokes and visual puns that heavily depended upon audience familiarity with the original. The theme song is Richard Wagner's famous "Ride of the Valkyries". The tagline was "You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll kiss three bucks goodbye." == SynopsisEdit == The film begins with the text "Meanwhile — in another part of the galaxy — later that same day". A household steam iron flies through space, fleein...

user114359

I really have to wonder sometimes if people are that oblivious about what they wrote in their own question.

user55340

> Hardware Wars won over 15 first-place film festival awards, including the award for Most Popular Short Film at the Chicago Film Festival. It is considered to be the most profitable short film of all time, grossing US$1,000,000; considering its paltry US$8,000 budget, its profit ratio was much better than Star Wars. George Lucas said in a 1999 interview on the UK's The Big Breakfast television show that Hardware Wars was his favorite Star Wars parody.[1]

In 2003, the film was honored by Lucasfilm when it was given the Pioneer Award at that year's Official Star Wars Fan Film Awards. In Aug…

user55340

2:33 AM

@Snowman the "you didn't even attempt to format this code" gets me.

user55340

> Hardware Wars was written and directed by San Francisco native Ernie Fosselius and produced by Michael Wiese. It was structured as a mock movie trailer, and Fosselius even secured narration from veteran voice-over artist Paul Frees, who provided the voice work for the original Star Wars trailers.

user55340

Star Wars A New Hope 1977 Trailer

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user114359

@MichaelT amazing. If someone made a spoof like that today, it would be DMCA'd faster than you can say "fair use."

user55340

bacon wrapped onion bombs

durron597

@JimmyHoffa I'm writing my entire knowledge repository about how our system works into documents over the next two weeks

user114359

2:50 AM

@MichaelT facebook.com/buzzfeedtasty?fref=ts

Robert Harvey

@MichaelT Sheesh. I'd forgotten how cheesy movie trailers were back then.

user55340

3:10 AM

@RobertHarvey gives some context to hardware wars cheese?

Robert Harvey

I can still remember that it wasn't I who first wanted to see Star Wars. It was my dad. He came home and said "We have to go see this movie." I said "what is it called." He said "Star Wars," and I thought, "What a ridiculous name for a movie."

Then he brought home the soundtrack on vinyl, and I was hooked.

We went to the Avco Cinema Center in Westwood, where they showed it in 70MM Dolby Stereo. There were subwoofers under the stadium seating. I couldn't think about anything else for two weeks.

user114359

I showed it to my children last year for the first time and they loved it too. Of course it was the Blu-ray version that was a higher resolution version of one of the many DVD releases. All I know is it had all the new effects, and Han Solo shot first.

Robert Harvey

3:32 AM

I can live with the new version, though I did finally find a version that is very close to the original (a torrent, I think). There must have been 105 different versions of the film. I do know that there are somewhere around 14 different official soundtracks.

After Jar Jar, you'd think Lucas would have ended his preoccupation with CGI creatures for comedic effect.

user114359

@RobertHarvey No, he just handed it off to Disney who has a reputation for making original movies, not unnecessary sequels, and they never made cliched movies that are formulaic. Ever.

user114359

4:14 AM

User self-deleted this question:

user114359

programmers.stackexchange.com/q/299707/22815

user114359

Then re-asked it:

user114359

-1

Q: Could you please list the C++ ios flags?

I'm writing a program where I'll be reading from and writing to a file. I'd love to know what all of the ios flags are and what they do. Can't find a list of them to save my life.

c++ ios

Robert Harvey

5:00 AM

This whole site just needs to be closed. We spend far more time telling people to go pound sand than we do answering actual questions.

Martin Sleziak

5:42 AM

@gnat It was reopened. Although it already has one close vote. So we wills ee how long it stays open...

gnat

8:14 AM

@MartinSleziak thanks! I plan to edit it a little per feedback gained in comments

MetaFight

9:48 AM

Wow, I just restarted commenting on Slashdot after several years... and MAN is that community full of assholes. I know slashdot always had its trolls, but it used to also have members who were critical thinkers and experts in interesting domains.

It feels like the whole site is overrun by rude people with nothing to say now. The comments used to be interesting. Now they're just god awful.

In other news, I'm old.

@RobertHarvey but, I've learned so much here. I think we should call this place ProgrammersOverflow and make it clear it's for established professionals (or PhD level, if you want to be a wanker about it).

Duga

10:42 AM

This sort of high-level architecture question might be better suited to Programmers — jonrsharpe 48 secs ago

enderland

11:23 AM

17

A: Did George Lucas ever comment on why he created Jar Jar Binks?

So why exactly did he do it? Out of canon answer From a plot perspective, something has to drive Anakin to the dark side. Why use character development when you can have no character development and stupid characters Jar Jar? Having a Jar Jar like influence around someone's youth traumat...

Jimmy Hoffa

12:32 PM

Happy Coffee Day

@MetaFight welcome to The Internet ca. 2015. - everyone is here now, the level of entry is far lower than it once was.

ratchet freak

it used to be that you would need to stay at home to troll the interwebs now you can do it anywhere

MetaFight

Both good points. I just assumed that Slashdot was such a tightnit group of nerds that non-nerds would be intimidated and stay away. Instead they show up and act like dicks. RIP slashdot.

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 So you're writing a SAD

MetaFight

SAD?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight nothing on the internet scares idiots. They just presume this is where they belong. (I prefer them here than in real life, so I'm kind of on their side on that one)

@MetaFight Software Architecture Document

MetaFight

12:43 PM

Well, I'm not against Joe-every-dude being on the internet. They've created some hilarious content :) I'm just slightly saddened that sites like slashdot did very little (nothing?) to protect their community from the influx of non-technical users.

Thomas Owens

Random question. If I say "software quality assurance", do you think of people who test products or monitor the methods used to design, build, and test software products?

MetaFight

Those who test the products... but only because I've never worked anywhere with working QA.

Thomas Owens

Apparently, it's common (at least in aerospace and defense) for the Software Quality Assurance group to be a process-oriented group, not a product-oriented group.

31 seconds between post and closure.

I don't think that's a record, though. I think @Oded has the record for fastest post->close.

enderland

That's a fun part of being a moderator :)

ratchet freak

@ThomasOwens sede query to find the fastest close?

Thomas Owens

12:57 PM

@ratchetfreak Too lazy to write one.

If you want to write one, though, you'd get a star.

And maybe a pin.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight protect? Slashdot was bought some years ago I believe? Also, core to Slashdot's ethos always was openness; that was never the place you'd find people censored

@ThomasOwens I just think QA / SQA testers; manual testers usually. What you refer to there only comes to mind when you start talking about V&V

@ThomasOwens this is common in highly regulated fields overall I would suspect; it was the same on the healthcare software I worked on - that's why our team was called V&V not QA

MetaFight

@JimmyHoffa I'm not suggesting censorship. I'm suggesting the gentle nudge of 600 downvotes. The current moderation system is broken. It assumes the community as a whole can't be trusted with moderation points So only a select few are granted them. Sites like SO and the SE network have shown that that isn't true. I think slashdot could improve itself by adopting a similar model.

nerds hate change though, so the site would explode worse than when the beta site was introduced.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight mayhaps, but again they have a totally different approach to crushing their content, always leaning more towards show rather than hide.

and yeah Dice bought slashdot

durron597

@JimmyHoffa Is that what the BAs are calling it these days?

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 Not BAs, SAD and SDD are pretty common in more well organized software shops - an sAd has the overall system architecture and is usually largely written by the architect - with maintenance done by leads and anyone who is given the green light to do anything that effects overall architecture

sDd is a design document and is usually a sub-piece from the sAd where the sAd may refer to numerous systems across front, middle, and back, there'll be a separate sDd for each of those components written by a dev with the technical details and specifications of that components design

if a system has a website, a back-end server, and a DB, an SAD will detail what technologies go into those pieces, how they communicate, what the redundancy and performance constraints are, which tiers are expected to be able to scale and how. the SDD for the DB however would detail the tables, their relationships, why they've got constraints where they do and the intent of the overall technical design of that database in regards to how it meets the demands of the SAD

durron597

1:07 PM

@JimmyHoffa This is why I have to get out of year. I'm learning nothing about how real teams write software.

enderland

@durron597 the huge advantage of your current role is you have (likely?) written a ton of code

Jimmy Hoffa

@durron597 most places don't do stuff like this - amazon may or may not, it's an amount of rigor you'll only see in large organizations though because it's a significant amount of overhead and you need a large enough budget slack to accept that type of overhead

ratchet freak

it's a horribly ugly query but here you go

winner is World Engineer with 49 seconds

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland this is why I error on the side of "Job Hopping is good, not bad" - when I wrote that much document and dealt with that much process, nobody was writing very much code at all - lots of meetings and reviews and planning and documenting. Little code writing. Changing jobs is the only way to get the full spectrum of skills in this industry, from being able to jam out a ton of code to documentation to understanding process concerns at scale (think 60+ devs on one product)

Thomas Owens

@ratchetfreak Wait...so am I the new winner with this closure?

enderland

1:11 PM

@JimmyHoffa as much as working with VBA is not the best, when I was in that role I wrote. code.

ratchet freak

@ThomasOwens I guess

Thomas Owens

Yeah, it's broken...why is it showing up answers?

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland it's hard to become a well rounded engineer in any one company because 90% of companies are terribly lopsided.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa companies desire you to become a specialized widget person, but from a career perspective, you want to do more than just make one type of widget

Jimmy Hoffa

@ratchetfreak bad query. You diffed closure and deletion, you wanted to diff creation and deletion, no?

or was it creation and closure?

Thomas Owens

1:13 PM

@JimmyHoffa Creation and closure.

I think I have it working.

Nope.

MetaFight

data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/edit/375119 ?

I didn't even check that query's results. it could be bonkers.

it is bonkers

Jimmy Hoffa

data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/375147

Duga

answers to this question will be opinion-based. I suggest you to post it to programmers.stackexchange — Sergey Berezovskiy 57 secs ago

MetaFight

@JimmyHoffa dang, that's what I have but you beat me to it

enderland

I think that last Duga one is actually not horrible

Jimmy Hoffa

1:19 PM

@enderland I've gone to a few of those and said "Good call! Bring it over!"

Secondary duga use we didn't expect, he finds good content for the site

enderland

@JimmyHoffa it's asking about naming conventions but I think in this case it's actually a decent question about them

I think that I'd find a lot more quick closes if I could search deleted posts, too :( My fastest mod close is only 2:14 according to that search but I'm pretty sure I've gotten questions MUCH faster

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland becoming a specialized widget is a spectacular thing - we absolutely will (must) specialize at an industry level. It's happening already and really people fighting it are making a mistake IMO. Having worked "full-stack", I am hands down more productive (and therefore typically enjoy the work more) when I am all service / back-end. The org is altogether more productive too because I get to focus on my space and the front-end folk get to focus on their space

ratchet freak

@enderland try this one instead: data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/375154

Jimmy Hoffa

We all context switch less when we do that type of thing, switching tools less, it's classic production line style approach and comparing us to a production line is a terrible idea - but realize that's precisely what happens everytime someone goes into a surgical arena. There's one person focused solely on anesthetizing and monitoring your vitals regarding your chemical load, one person focused simply on the tools for surgery, often times one surgeon for one thing and another for another thing

All working on the same patient at the same time.

enderland

@JimmyHoffa it also depends where you are in your career, I think, some of us are young'ins and it's helpful to get more broad exposure

Jimmy Hoffa

1:25 PM

No reason we shouldn't be working similarly in software, I believe it's inevitable, we're right now where medicine was 100-200 years ago; specialization began to sort of show up but the vast majority of docs still figured "I'm a doc, sure I can do y'know, whatever. Got a tumor? Sure. Deliver a baby? Alright."

@enderland absolutely true. That's why docs get put in every specialty for a bit before they're requested to specialize.

...that analogy kind of holds up really well. The medical industry is actually a spectacular model for how the software industry should be..

durron597

@enderland yes, i have

enderland

@JimmyHoffa it's one reason I'm pretty ok doing ETL/data related work, this will be invaluable for me in the future I'm sure regardless of what I end up doing - "big data" is probably the biggest buzzword thing ever right now (maybe "agile" has it beat?)

@JimmyHoffa it's funny, there are even companies doing the residency thing (young employees, tons of hours, minimal pay)!

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland yeah, @durron597 is going to one of them! :D ok, sans minimal pay heh

durron597

Anyway, I think I will write a SAD but that's not what I'm writing now

I'm detailing the way the software is deployed to our production server and any interesting things that a person would need to know

the users that are active on the server

and any other changes I've made to the OS settings

"here's what you need to know about our apache installation"

"here's what you need to know about selinux (it's off)" etc.

23

Q: Why did the Weasleys spend most of the money won in the lottery for a trip to Egypt?

As we know the Weasley family are quite poor. Not poor enough that they don't have anything to eat but still so poor that they have to buys second-hand clothes and books for their children. Yet, when they win 700 galleons from the lottery they burn most of them on a trip to Egypt. While it must...

harry-potter

Jimmy Hoffa

2:07 PM

@durron597 because, as I have re-learned from my kid: Mummies are really damn interesting. Before mummification, they would literally bury the body in a pile of salt.

now that I think about it, I think for young children; Mummies are the only topic which speaks in detail and depth about handling a dead body. There's really no other topic children have access to with so much information pertaining to death and what happens after people die. Perhaps that's why it's so fascinating for young children. Perhaps it's different among children raised in a church.

user41796

2:40 PM

@MichaelT No, they were not all contracts. As far as I can tell, all of them were full time roles. Having multiple roles while working for a contracting / staffing agency doesn't give me any concern - tbh it's more along the lines of what I would expect.

user55340

2:55 PM

Or flopped startups? Or "like working in the 50-250 sized company "?

user55340

Though that many jumps would suggest to me "easily enticed away"

user41796

Fishing for upvotes:

user41796

0

A: Hint: Programmers.SE don't do coding help and expect research before asking

This Meta Programmers post may be more relevant for this particular discussion: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for stack overflow. As it tends to be a little quicker to read and more concisely directs traffic to either Programmers or StackOverflow. More relevant to this site, it's fair...

user41796

@MichaelT I obviously can't share pertinent details, but no, no excuses for that particular candidate.

user41796

All of them were medium to large sized companies. The startling aspect was the geographic territory being covered.

enderland

3:03 PM

Maybe they had a goal to live in every state

user55340

Following long distance relationships that never work out? Running from the law?

user41796

@enderland Dunno. Don't care. They don't meet our "likely to provide a return on our training investment" criterion.

enderland

I'm probably too loyal, my last boss basically told me "hey we have two jobs that are going to be posted, you want them?" and while I would have GLADLY taken then 6 months ago... I'd feel bad bailing on my current job (if they'd even let me) that soon

user55340

Btw, @GlenH7 I am certain that your guess on user identities is correct.

user41796

From a few days / weeks ago? Yeah, I ran across a few more things that added on to that.

user55340

3:27 PM

Btw, @GlenH7 did you see that interview with Kiva founder I posted yesterday?

user41796

No, missed that one

user55340

fromscratchradio.com/show/mick-mountz

user41796

Really enjoyed the japanese carpentry link. That channel has lead to a lot of interesting videos

user41796

@MichaelT Cool, I'll pop that on while working today

user41796

I agree with maple_shaft in that the comments are evolving into an extended discussion. As the comments have been moved to a chat room, I have flagged to have all of the comments on the question removed. — GlenH7 1 min ago

user41796

3:29 PM

^^^ Fishing for up-votes on my comment please.

user55340

There is also an interview with Square founder.

user41796

And / or feel free to throw additional flags requesting comments to be cleaned up

Telastyn

screw you javascript, and the horse you rode in on.

user55340

JavaScript the good parts. Umm...

user41796

I'm pretty convinced that javascript is one of the four horsemen

user55340

3:30 PM

Working on a SPA now

Telastyn

"hey, why does this angular view just show a blank page?"
"Did you install these 6 extensions and sacrifice a chicken?"

user41796

@Telastyn chicken and a goat, depending upon the extensions

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn "because ... angular. Good luck."

user55340

Intern blood works too.

user41796

@MichaelT No, no, that's jugular.js

Jimmy Hoffa

3:35 PM

I'm highly pleased with sticking to knockout - it does one thing and does that well. Everyone left it in the dust because it doesn't do everything, but that "everyone" includes mostly people too junior to have learned their lesson on where do-everything frameworks lead software...

user55340

> hey, intern... Stick your hand in this fan on the environmental control unit...

Jimmy Hoffa

> Juggler.js: Developer must remove digits with chainsaw to enhance functionality.

Telastyn

it appears as though it is a grunt issue

because, of course it is.

user55340

6

Q: Is there a safe way to make a plunge cut with a chainsaw?

Having looked up chainsaw safety videos on the internet it seems that a big danger with chainsaws is kickback - where the tip of the chainsaw contacts something unexpected and throws the blade back up towards the users head/neck. Is there a way to make a plunge cut with a chainsaw into thick woo...

safety chain-saw

user55340

Jimmy Hoffa

3:39 PM

@Telastyn how are you enjoying Angular if that's your current lifestyle choice?

Telastyn

it is not. I added a single entity (1 PK, 1 FK, 1 int, 1 string) to our API. It required modifying ~40 files, and has taken over a week. I am now trying to modify our angular app that lets you look at data. This entire endeavor makes me want to burn the building down and then fire all the developers.

whatsisname

clearly you do not use enough dependency injection nor enough agile methodologies

Jimmy Hoffa

@whatsisname I think the problem lies in the non-collaborative environment, he should have been able to paralellize those file edits, I prescribe one open plan office to cure what ails.

whatsisname

definitely

Jimmy Hoffa

@Telastyn look at the bright side ... they were using best practices. :(

Telastyn

3:46 PM

Enterprise Software ftw!

user55340

I wish I could find that link that fills in "Enterprise software means..."

psr

@enderland Libre office works for most purposes, for me at least.

user55340

... Never saying sorry for using XML. Or json. Or json in XML.

user55340

user55340

Today in let's make xpath cry...

Jimmy Hoffa

3:51 PM

@psr for anyone of a technical level to participate in SE, absolutely any of the free office products should work perfectly well. All the non-technical people are baffled by document software that isn't precisely word, and that's fine. Anyone here though who can document in everything from markdown to wiki to SE format, I think any free doc editor product will be fine.

MetaFight

Quick poll: When you think of the city of Oxford England, which images come to mind?

I'm looking for logo ideas and I need things iconically Oxford.

enderland

a dictionary

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight ... I wasn't aware it was a city. I'm picturing what I'm pretty sure isn't the oxford college though is some old English building...

MetaFight

@enderland very true, but unfortunately the locals are kind of fed up with that association :)

user41796

@MetaFight Oxford university

user55340

3:54 PM

@MetaFight the comma

MetaFight

@MichaelT awesome!

psr

@JimmyHoffa You just use the "save as word document" feature on emacs, don't you?

Jimmy Hoffa

user55340

Otherwise old buildings:

Jimmy Hoffa

I picture that in my mind, but according to the internet this is oxford:

enderland

3:55 PM

@psr yeah but it's the last time I'll ever get it for free from universities. gotta collect all them!

Jimmy Hoffa

user55340

MetaFight

I'm trying to find images or themes to use in the Oxford Hackspace's logo... so we're going to have to stay away from other existing oxford organisations. that rules out the dictionary and university.

Jimmy Hoffa

to be fair, I can't tell the difference even looking at the pictures. Looks like the same building. I bet the same dude built them both, yep.

@MetaFight you could put an ox on a model T

user55340

Ok, more iconic:

user55340

3:56 PM

user41796

@MetaFight got a decent football club?

MetaFight

@JimmyHoffa I like it, but I'll have a hard time convincing the non-north american members it's a good logo.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight England has a caste system, you don't need to convince them, just tell them what the logo is and then order them back behind the walls.

MetaFight

@MichaelT yup, the oxford camera. We're already playing around with that idea. It's image in the oxford skyline is already used in hundreds of company logos :)

Jimmy Hoffa

user55340

3:58 PM

Headdesk

MetaFight

@JimmyHoffa you're right, it does. It always surprises me how a lot of the locals here don't recognize that. Oxford almost epitomizes it. The hackspace, on the other hand, has quite a few anarchist members. Shoving opinions down their throats won't be easy.

I'm going to see if I can incorporate the Oxford Comma :)

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight you could just take the members you don't like, build a train track around them and a huge hedge, declare they're a different hackspace and be done with it. I hear that works swell for the English. :)

user41796

@MetaFight it's only proper....

enderland

@MetaFight you could make something clever and witty about this if you wanted

MetaFight

I'll pitch this as our new motto: "Oxford Hackspace: A place to make, hack, and use commas appropriately."

user41796

4:01 PM

Yes

MetaFight

or, "A place for Making, Hacking, and the appropriate use of commas."

user41796

2nd version is better

Jimmy Hoffa

> Oxford Hackspace: Hack, Make, Hack Make, and use commas.

googling images of ox on ford had unexpected results

MetaFight

@GlenH7 I think I'm going to use the word "proper" instead of "appropriate". It's slightly more pretentious.

user41796

> A place for Making, Hacking, and the proper use of commas

user41796

4:07 PM

sounds appropriately dignified

user55340

4:39 PM

@RobertHarvey if you read three copies of learn xyz in 24h, you'll get it done in 8h.

ProgrammingMachine5000

4:50 PM

Anyone knows why this (programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/299528/…) question would be opinion-based? Even the first version, that was actually voted as opinion-based? I don't see how it would be...

user41796

> answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise.

user55340

The answer implies guessing about the business decisions at Google, Amazon, Samsung, etc...

ProgrammingMachine5000

I know, but I don't see why they would be based on opinions, the question is simply 'why are ubuntu touch etc based on android although it has this flaw'...I thought cause Ubuntu and Firefox are both open source someone might have some sort of insight in the decision process

So you reckon I chose the wrong forum?

user41796

@ProgrammingMachine5000 Your question, as written, wouldn't work on any StackExchange site.

user55340

You would need to ask Ubuntu devs for the answer - we can only guess.

ProgrammingMachine5000

4:56 PM

You know any other forum where I could reach them?

user41796

As far as forums / other sites ... no idea. Good luck and give it a try.

durron597

@ProgrammingMachine5000 This is the inherent flaw in coming here

Stack Exchange is NOT A FORUM. It is a site for answering questions that have answers

ProgrammingMachine5000

Thx...I've really been wondering this for some time now...at least one comment gave a bit of technical insight

Well I'm sure there IS an answer

user55340

The framework the site is built on is different in its goals than a discussion forum.

durron597

Coming to chat is probably the best place to get any sort of answer to your question

to which I'll say this:

user55340

4:58 PM

There may be an answer, but it doesn't come from knowing software design. Instead it comes from a boardroom or meeting.

durron597

Windows and Linux work really, really hard to be able to support all sorts of different hardware

it is a major, major problem for them in which thousands of not millions of man hours have been invested.

This problem does not disappear when you switch to mobile; you could argue that, in fact, it's even worse because all the hardware is different from all the previously learned lessons.

psr

@Telastyn The chicken binding syntax for a list of items is 'ng-chicks ... item {chick.bcka}', not 'ng-chick in bcka[item]' because the developer of that directive thought in would be more chicken-like. It's a common mistake.

ProgrammingMachine5000

Okay, well I just saw this as the major flaw in android, so I thought a new OS would be the perfect chance to get rid of this one

durron597

@MichaelT Here we go again

ProgrammingMachine5000

Thanks for your help anyways, the people on chat are way better than the ones on SE...the downvotes cost me like 60% of my points so I cannot even upvote anymore ;)

durron597

5:02 PM

@ProgrammingMachine5000 You know how Apple solves this problem?

ProgrammingMachine5000

@durron597 Well I guess they just have the least amount of hardware configs possible...

durron597

They control the entire production chain down to the semiconductor level

They have acquired no less than four semiconductor production companies since 2008.

ProgrammingMachine5000

wow that's impressive

durron597

So, they don't have to support many types of hardware, because they make it all themselves.

ProgrammingMachine5000

do you know anything about how windows mobile handles hardware configurations?

durron597

5:05 PM

I don't know any of the details about any of this, I just know the broad strokes

enderland

@ProgrammingMachine5000 they rely on companies to make drivers to work

ProgrammingMachine5000

Yeah it's kind of a dilemma because standardizing parts would cause innovation/individualty to go down as well

enderland

which if you are curious is among other reasons why so many drivers for "simple" things are in the 300mb range nowadays

durron597

@enderland Well, ATI just bundles all this extra junk no one wants.

ProgrammingMachine5000

@durron597 :D

durron597

5:06 PM

@ProgrammingMachine5000 I can promise you this, Windows Mobile would be dead as a doornail if Microsoft hadn't purchased Nokia.

None of the hardware manufacturers wanted to support it anymore because all the customers wanted Android.

ProgrammingMachine5000

@durron597 Probably would be...And no one would want to pay for a mobile os

Why does adobe flash need it's own JRE?! It's so outdated...1.6u26

user114359

I found a late answer to this old question in the review queue. It was worded a bit opinion-based, but I feel the question and the top answers have value so I edited it to improve it. I'd like everyone else to take a look and see if you can improve the question and its answers further:

user114359

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Q: How far to go with typedef'ing primitive types like int

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c++ data-structures

ProgrammingMachine5000

@Snowman question seems pretty g to me

@Snowman just looked at the edit history...reads like a completely new question, good job

psr

5:23 PM

@enderland - My favorite Jar Jar reference: google.com/…

user114359

5:41 PM

@psr why did I think that would be a Java/Star Wars link?

Robert Harvey

This question is "unclear." It asks "I wrote some code with async await, but it didn't get any faster," which at best makes it a troubleshooting question with no code provided.

psr

@Snowman Sorry, I should have stayed more on-topic. There's got to be a Jar Jar programming language somewhere - I should have looked for that.

user41796

> I fired the silver bullet and I'm still having problems. Y U NO WORK SILVER BULLET?

3

MetaFight

@lrleon I am not the downvoter but, in the spirit of helping this type of community, I suggest you read my conversation with Mike Nakis in the question's comment section. — MetaFight 20 secs ago

user41796

@MetaFight 2 more VTDs and that problem is solved.

MetaFight

5:50 PM

I just found it interesting that the poster thinks they're helping the community by providing code only answers to homework questions.

user41796

SO is their primary site

Robert Harvey

1 more VTD and that problem is solved.

MetaFight

I wish I had VTDs.

actually, that sounds awful.

user41796

@RobertHarvey psr killed it

whatsisname

6:12 PM

i need to stop chewing on pens

MetaFight

@whatsisname I had to read that twice.

user55340

@MetaFight he switched to something stronger after giving up sword swallowing. After all, the pen is mightier than the sword.

user114359

@MichaelT The first thing I thought of was SNL Celebrity Jeopardy.

user55340

Though more seriously, @whatsisname have you tried gum?

whatsisname

gum is no good

user55340

6:24 PM

There are other options too...

user55340

Do you like cinnamon?

user55340

Could also go for chewing sticks.

user55340

amazon.com/African-Chew-Sticks-Licorice-Pound/dp/B001HHFLM2

user55340

Heh. Chewelry

user55340

amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00S024N9E

user15026

6:32 PM

This is a good site for chewable jewelery and other fantastic stim stuff

user55340

@AshleyNunn stikfas.com/product_hockeyteal.html

user114359

Blatantly off-topic question needs CVs:

user114359

-1

Q: How to change tomcat 8 port

I am trying to change the Tomcat's port to 80 in Ubuntu 14.04 through this configuration [conf/server.xml]: <Connector port="8080" protocol="HTTP/1.1" connectionTimeout="20000" redirectPort="8443" /> to: <Connector port="80" protocol="HTTP/1.1" connectionTimeo...

configuration tomcat ubuntu

user55340

6:48 PM

I'm out.

user55340

(10 same day deletes on my votes today)

user55340

-1

Q: Program running under Linux, on INET domain server - port 1237

I cannot not figure out what was requested to build in the project below: "Write a program running under Linux that will act as a simple INET domain server. The server should listen for incoming connections on port 1237. For every new client, the server should send it this greeting: Hello, t...

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user114359

@MichaelT I voted, that will put it in the CV queue

user55340

7:08 PM

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A: How can we stop first questions where the user has a task (usually homework) and is just asking for code

I realize the improbability of this suggestion being acted on. We've got review audits for close vote queue. Make one for new users. I am inspired by Sesame Street... o/` Four of these things are not like the others o/`... (those are supposed to look like notes) Pick 10 questions. Six off top...

Telastyn

7:28 PM

oh, how I hate you async await.

Ixrec

dare I ask what's wrong with it? (I know zero C#)

Telastyn

it is like the GPL. Once you use it, you need to use it everywhere.

user55340

Or is it the evil JavaScript?

Telastyn

Otherwise, your app just deadlocks randomly.

user41796

@Ixrec Await should be used sparingly and only if you know damn well why you need it. It breaks the whole asynch approach

Ixrec

7:31 PM

ah, ok, I am familiar with asynchronicity in general as well as promises and callbacks in particular being "infectious" so that makes a lot of sense

Telastyn

yeh

so basically I try this basic insert and it goes out to lunch

we're using fluent validators, so I can't actually step into them, and the repo stuff is async, meaning everything from the api endpoint on down needs to be async

whatsisname

i've never used those new c# features

Ixrec

why am I not surprised

Telastyn

I'd only used them briefly before this job.

mostly, I find that I can't actually use the strategy pattern anymore.

since the signature of the strategy changes depending on how you're implementing it

and they're not convertible between the options.

this blows.

durron597

@MichaelT We can discuss it here instead of a private room

user114359

7:46 PM

Looks like I have a not-so-secret admirer:

user114359

Thank you for the long answer, I love you. All this makes sense now. By the way since it is a final year project I can do whatever is best for me as the project will stretch for 8 months so using strict OO is not important. My professor wants me to use the architecture and pattern which is best suited rather than which follows OOP. — Sneh 22 mins ago

user114359

Stupid copy-pasta not working when I press ctrl+C...

durron597

> My professor wants me to use the architecture and pattern which is best suited rather than which follows OOP.

Wat

user114359

I assumed this was more theoretical, oh well. I think my answer still works either way.

user41796

Agape

Agape (/ˈæɡəpiː/ or /ˈæɡəpɪ/; Classical Greek: ἀγάπη, agápē; Modern Greek: αγάπη IPA: [aˈɣapi]), translated as "love: the highest form of love, especially brotherly love, charity; the love of God for man and of man for God." The noun form first occurs in the Septuagint, but the verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead." Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to philia (an affection that could denote friendship...

user41796

7:49 PM

Maybe?

user55340

@durron597 ie is sluggish when adding another comment and I have too often clicked add, then click to focus in the text area, oops, that's the create a room.

durron597

@MichaelT aha

user114359

@MichaelT IE: well there's your problem!

user55340

@Snowman ie: it's what is on a government issue desktop.

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