The Whiteboard

1:18 AM

@psr lots of people on the internet agree with me, unfortunately the internet has brought us the ability to find the .01% of people in the world that are one way or another, but it's totally unrepresentative of a section of folk you could even really call a minority, they're just noise. in 14 years in the industry I've not run into a single other person who takes an FP approach (to my knowledge)

The internet has a spectacular ability to make the slightest section of people in any given category seem larger. It's great! But it's not reality.

user20683

@JimmyHoffa World of Warcraft forums are a classic example

Ampt

1:46 AM

@JimmyHoffa It's the world's greatest echo chamber for sure.

which is also one of it's greatest strengths. entire communities can form from even the smallest subset of ... well just about anything

Case in point: The whiteboard

user20683

To be in the whiteboard you must either be a mod, a functional programmer, or call a water fountain a bubbler

user20683

or just be into beer in some fashion

rolfl

or have an animal avatar.

user20683

or just kind of show up

user20683

@rolfl you are a mod :P

rolfl

1:51 AM

Oh, yeah... right.

Ampt

Which, while seemingly plentiful, is only a small subset of Stack overflow

which is a small subset of the internet

and so on and so forth

user55340

user55340

Ampt

ooooh

are those yours? they keep getting better and better

user55340

@Ampt Found the right spot to take them from.

Ampt

1:53 AM

apparently

user55340

Its a matter of getting to know the subject.

Ampt

I like the first one more

user55340

They're different stories. Same waterfall part.

rolfl

We're drinking buddies... does that count @MichaelT?

user55340

You can see the 'lip' of the fall in the bottom one has that middle bit sticking out... and you can see that in the top one too. Bottom one, I was interested in the path of the bubbles and leaves.

user55340

1:55 AM

@rolfl The cliff ledge there is one I wouldn't even think about having a drink there.

user55340

The entire gorge:

user55340

You can see the upper and lower falls there.

user55340

I think the season is mostly done, though I'll probably check on the weekend again (supposed to warm up). Though also, Wednesday is supposed to dip below freezing which often puts a kibosh on it (turns leaves black).

Jimmy Hoffa

Don't fly during the Zombie Apocalypse 2014

user20683

2:10 AM

@JimmyHoffa I saw no zombies on my flights

user55340

@WorldEngineer Did you take a redeye?

user20683

@MichaelT middle of the afternoon in both cases

user55340

Recent commits to woodworking:

user55340

Jimmy Hoffa

We found Waldo in 2013, I think he might have been lost for too long...

Jimmy Hoffa

2:44 AM

thanks, and lucky genes, it's a lotto..

Ampt

Lucky ~~genes~~ jeans?

Jimmy Hoffa

those jeans look none to lucky

Ampt

Well my lucky jeans make me look thinner too

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt my wife's always wanted a pair of lucky jeans just because it says Lucky when you unzip them... Simple pleasures in life I guess, I'm still not spending the $120 for a pair or whatever they cost :o

user15026

@JimmyHoffa That is a lot of money for jeans

Ampt

2:47 AM

@JimmyHoffa Wait, that's a brand? Mine are just lucky because they make me look thinner which in turn helps me get.... lucky.

Jimmy Hoffa

Ampt

hahaha

user15026

(I don't spend a lot on clothes, usually, although I had to get a few new things for my new job to expand my corporate lady wardrobe)

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt they're really expensive

user15026

@Ampt laugh

user15026

2:47 AM

@JimmyHoffa Huh. Guess that's a thing.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa My expensive jeans come from kohls hahaha

user20683

I don't own jeans

user15026

Mine come from Walmart and a Canadian department store on massive clearance

user20683

I can't wear them to work and I don't see the point in spending money on things I can't use 71% of the time

Jimmy Hoffa

I've been thrift storing my clothes ever since...ever... Only get new when I need something quick and can't immediately find it in a thrift store, or for some nicer corporate crap (tie et al)

user20683

2:49 AM

@JimmyHoffa I've seen some really nice suits at Goodwill

user15026

@JimmyHoffa Yeah, same :)

user15026

I find the most interesting stuff there.

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa cough hipster cough

sorry, what?

@WorldEngineer I, on the otherhand, can, and do, on the daily

well. the days I actually go into the office that is

I'm not entirely sure I wore pants at all today...

user20683

@Ampt I work in a customer facing position

user15026

I used to wear jeans at my old job but now I am a fancy lady and have to dress like that :P

Ampt

2:57 AM

@WorldEngineer Me too! Nothing like having a client come through when you're in jeans, but they don't care for the most part. The Coca Cola guys are sticklers for what's in the fridge though.

I thought you were in the midwest?

user20683

@Ampt O_o

user20683

dies laughing

Ampt

I didn't realize you were in Georgia is all

user20683

@Ampt ah

Ampt

I coulda swore you were in the midwest.

I'm just bitter we didn't get one of those cool coke machines

Jimmy Hoffa

3:05 AM

@Ampt it was the way I could afford to clothe myself as a teenager, as I got older I just found it hard to justify spending the money on new when I was used to thrifting my clothes already... it does irritate me that hipster has become an ad hominem attack on an entire generation. Strikes me as ageism that somehow people have convinced people to use on their own generation: "Oh, I'm not like that part of my generation..."

user15026

@JimmyHoffa My family was relatively poor when I grew up so getting things from not-thrift-stores was a pretty decent deal, and even then it was from Canadian walmart equivalents, and I just kinda stuck with that because, well, it works for me

Jimmy Hoffa

The amorphousness of it seemingly able to encompass anything that prior generations don't participate in makes it strikingly similar to bigotry - all bigotry tends to grow to encompass everything the bigot is xenophobic of

user15026

It's not a subculture I partake of, and sometimes it is used in such a way to be indicative of social issues, especially by those of the more social justice mindset, but I don't mind it as a thing. Whatever works for people.

Jimmy Hoffa

(not calling anyone here a bigot, just saying I think the term is become a slang pejorative against a class of peoples, interestingly without folks realizing the boundaries of the class is really simply: An entire generation)

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa So you're saying that your age group is being bracketed into the category of hipster?

user15026

3:09 AM

@JimmyHoffa It is interesting how it divides people, as a social construct for differentiating between the accepted norm and the idea of the "other"

user15026

(oh god sorry my inner rhetoric geek is leaking)

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I believe so. I get called a hipster when the things people attribute to hipsters don't apply to me really, just like how people using pejorative words for black people attribute that word to associate with violent, stupid, lazy, all sorts of negatives and then go around using such words for all black people

user15026

Hey, whatever works :)

user15026

(I have played fast and loose with the idea of traditional educational timelines just about forever :P)

Ampt

I think that you've really put way more meaning behind that word than it actually has

Jimmy Hoffa

3:14 AM

@Ampt I think you might not have been discredited in your place of work because you're "just a hipster"

user15026

@JimmyHoffa Things like that make me want to facepunch people, tossing my pacifist upbringing right out the window

Jimmy Hoffa

it wasn't initially a term with the weight it has now and adoption from previous generations as such, but I think that weight has grown. The things people attribute with it tend to be: Self-righteousness, A general looking down upon people, Cluelessness; common negative traits bestowed upon youths

I could be wrong and perhaps it's not being used pejoratively as much as it seems, but ask yourself, when's the last time you heard someone call a 40+ a Hipster?

user20683

People who would be Bohemian Bourgeois if they owned houses and drove.

user15026

It has switched from being a signifier of a fringe culture to being a way to indicate all that is wrong with "that generation"

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I'll be honest with you. you're the first one over 23 I've heard called a hipster, so you've got that going for you I guess.

but you seem to have put a lot more thought behind this than I have, so I'll just concede to you.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:19 AM

@AshleyNunn I don't know if that's true, but yes that's sort of what appears to be occurring to my eyes, maybe it hasn't happened completely or maybe I'm wrong. shrug In any event it is an ad hominem attack, and on that fact I'm not a big fan of the term; no one uses it to mean anything positive

user20683

Hipster used to be a signifier for white people who adopted African American cultural traits in the 20s and 30s and 40s or there abouts

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt haha don't just "concede", I just mention it because it's something to think about. When you hear it from now on maybe you'll start thinking about it a little more, and perhaps you'll find out I'm full of shit (I have been wrong so damned many times...)

user20683

So technically Vanilla Ice is a hipster

user20683

:P

user15026

@JimmyHoffa There is definitely a subtle (or perhaps less so) shift in the signifier of the term, for sure. It's shifted to a more pejorative and mocking thing (the very indication of "othering" and separating one from the perceived negativity in whatever form it takes). It has become more of a sign for all of the percieved shifts in the idea of adulthood in the present generation from that of say, our parents

Jimmy Hoffa

3:22 AM

@WorldEngineer the historical meaning of a word doesn't really take away from the negative effects of it being used as a prejudiced pejorative though, no matter when in history it may be used as such, does it?

user15026

@JimmyHoffa As much as we would like to believe otherwise, no, it doesn't really (look at, say, the word retard, for a classic example)

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa Well, you're not wrong that I did mean it negatively, because I did, but it's hardly the first time that either of us has said negative things towards eachother in jest. I just didn't expect it to cause such a stir.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I don't fault you for that and I'm not calling you a bigot; I've just grown wary of that particular word. Ageism's kind of a touchy topic for me, I started my career so young, I've come to accept amount of being discredited due to my age just as the way the world works. I recently had a colleague tell me he doesn't blame me for being a hipster (imagine him telling a black person he doesn't blame him for being a <pejorative term for black people>).

@Ampt I value your contributions!

;)

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa Yeah right you old fart ;)

Jimmy Hoffa

3:41 AM

Language matters, it's one of the reasons I decided to alter mine years ago and come up with uncommon vernacular- the less socially common your language the less social connotation people will attribute to it. @AshleyNunn another fun one I use a lot: Tossered- to be confused/uncertain about something: This whole hipster thing has me tossered, or the more common british slang to feel ill: I drank too much last night and I feel tossered now

Is a fun colloquialism :D

(I might be using it wrong, but screw it)

Stack Exchange

10:03 AM

Lambda the Ultimate - Programming Languages Weblog: Seemingly impossible programs

posted on October 22, 2014

In case this one went under the radar, at POPL'12, Martín Escardó gave a tutorial on seemingly impossible functional programs: Programming language semantics is typically applied to prove compiler correctness and allow (manual or automatic) program verification. Certain kinds of semantics can also be applied to discover programs that one wouldn't have otherwise thought of. This is the cas…

Thomas Owens

1:35 PM

So, I've been looking at Masters programs again. I'm really torn. A lot of the MS Software Engineering programs are a rehash of my undergrad program and I don't see the value in taking them. Carnegie Mellon has as Software Engineering Management program, and enough electives in the Software Engineering program to let me focus on management and process.

I can't take most Engineering Management programs without taking courses up front in math, since I don't have any courses in differential equations, linear algebra, or a few other similar courses. Even though I did go to an accredited engineering program. I still don't get why I need that much math to learn management.

And an MBA just feels wrong.

My only requirement is distance education. Anyone have any thoughts?

user41796

@ThomasOwens How'd you get through without taking diffy-q's?! :-) (Just razzing you)

user41796

Petition the other graduate programs to see if they'll waive the requirements. You'll need to explain why you don't need those "foundational" classes

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 My math courses were a discrete math sequence. It was a year of single-variable calculus, followed by discrete math starting toward the end of that. No multi-variable calculus or anything else.

Carnegie doesn't have the math requirements. So it seems like my only option.

I don't like having one option.

user41796

You may want some of those for advanced stuff within the CS aspects...

Thomas Owens

There's not much CS. In fact, I want to avoid the theory.

mse.isri.cmu.edu/software-engineering/web4-distance/MSIT-SEM/…

That's what I'm looking at.

user41796

1:42 PM

@ThomasOwens You can plausibly build a curriculum around that and use that as the basis of the petition

user41796

grad school is supposed to be about tailoring the studies to your interests and needs

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 Carnegie Mellon already built a curriculum around what I want.

That's the whole Software Engineering Management program. But it just seems bad that I can't find any other schools that offer equivalent courses.

user41796

And they certainly have the reputation regarding research / work in the aspects of the field you're most interested in

user41796

CM is kind of a loner in that regards

user41796

There are some West coast colleges in Cali that have a bit of that focus, but on the East coast CM is the biggie in that regards

Thomas Owens

1:44 PM

Fun fact: The guys who created my undergrad curriculum went to CM first with the undergrad SE program. CM was all "lol no, you can't teach undergrads software engineering".

A few schools said that. After they started it, two or three other schools started undergrad programs that were almost identical. Including one that said it couldn't be done.

user41796

@ThomasOwens They don't always get it right... :-)

Thomas Owens

Plus, I could maybe take some SEI courses and waive some of the elective courses.

user41796

That's definitely a bonus as well

Thomas Owens

I'd love to take the product lines course. I don't know if they consider that a subset of architecture, though. You can't take the SEI architecture courses.

Since they have courses in the curriculum that are for architecture.

user41796

Key thing is to make sure you can get your employer to pay for it. :-)

Thomas Owens

1:49 PM

They will.

100%, paid up front. I pay them back if I get lower than a B in a course.

user41796

That's pretty cool and a fair way to handle it. Seems many companies do the reimbursement after the course completes and if you get a sufficient grade. Which means you have to be able to float a semester's worth of tuition.

Thomas Owens

Training courses aren't as extensively covered, if I want that. There's only a limited training budget for non-degree things. But I could apply and get something to offset the cost of SEI courses, since those are out-of-pocket.

I'm just disappointed that there's no other options. Should I maybe look at non-engineering programs of some kind? Work will pay for degree programs that aren't necessarily related to my career, too. So I'm wondering if there's something else that would be beneficial if I want to focus on process or project management that I'm not thinking of.

user41796

I'm grateful my current gig seems to have a decent training budget. It allows us to go to a conference each year. Sometimes we can justify a second one, but I'm pretty happy just being able to get one in.

Thomas Owens

Yeah, out training budget is pretty much one thing per person per year.

I usually apply early, but take a course late in the year.

user41796

@ThomasOwens PM as a field is sooo broad that I would be hesitant to venture too far out from the development realm simply because the information won't necessarily be as relevant to you

user41796

1:54 PM

PM for manufacturing != PM for software dev

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 Yeah. I want to focus more on technical project management. Not like program management.

user41796

Need to run - back in a bit

durron597

2:06 PM

@ThomasOwens Are you interested in the education or the degree (for resume, etc.)

Thomas Owens

@durron597 The education. But the piece of paper you get at the end is nice. I could do a lot on my own, but it's hard to move in the direction I want to.

durron597

@ThomasOwens I've found that P.SE, The Workplace, and googling specific questions help so much, I'm just wondering if it's worth the aggravation if you can't find a program that meets your needs in your area

i mean, if you lived in Pittsburgh that might be a different story

Thomas Owens

@durron597 I'm only looking at online programs or ones in Boston.

The CMU program is all online, unless I opt to take SEI courses.

durron597

oh really

now you've got me interested, forget what i said :-P

Ampt

2:35 PM

@ThomasOwens SEI blah blah blah. Those guys sold me a book on PSP. what a joke

Thomas Owens

@Ampt What's wrong with PSP?

durron597

@ThomasOwens It's not as good as the 3DS

José María

3:34 PM

Hey! I would like to make a text-based adventure for the web. What tools should I use? I would like to make everythi

*everything from scratch

durron597

@JoséMaría Well I'd recommend buying your computer parts from newegg they generally have good deals

José María

...

durron597

@JoséMaría Oh so not everything from scratch then.

I thought you were going to build your own web server.

José María

No, like host it anywhere

But I meam, the user should be able to enter commands

And I need to put text

Like having a terminal

(?)

durron597

Web application framework

A web application framework (WAF) is a software framework that is designed to support the development of dynamic websites, web applications, web services and web resources. The framework aims to alleviate the overhead associated with common activities performed in web development. For example, many frameworks provide libraries for database access, templating frameworks and session management, and they often promote code reuse. For a comparison of concrete web application frameworks, see Comparison of web application frameworks. == History == As the design of the World Wide Web was not inherently...

Examples of this include ASP.NET, JavaEE (Servlets), WebObjects, web2py, OpenACS, Catalyst, Mojolicious, Ruby on Rails, Grails, Django, Zend Framework, Yii,[3] CakePHP[4] and Symfony.

I might start with one of those

José María

3:40 PM

Oh, thank you!

enderland

3:53 PM

@ThomasOwens when you say technical project management, you mean within software world? does your company have team leads of any sort?

Thomas Owens

4:20 PM

@enderland Yes. That's what I want to focus on. Leading the software side of a project, technically.

durron597

10k on SO!!

quick downvote 5 of my answers to get me to 9999 :-P

enderland

was thinking about it

:D

though DV's are -2 rep

durron597

oh. three of them then

user41796

4:48 PM

@durron597 You're at 10004, so I can't think of a way to get you down to 9999 (ie. by one of us downvoting you)

enderland

@GlenH7 question upvote, 5 downvotes

user41796

@enderland You're smarter than I am.... And bonus points for exceeding the serial down vote detection algorithm so the down votes automatically roll back tonight.

Thomas Owens

valleywag.gawker.com/…

quora.com/…

durron597

46 comments. the only person who will see these comments at this point are people who recently got 10k tools and are playing round

-16

Q: Why is this simple javascript code not working?

Check my very simple code please: <html> <head> <script type="text/javascript"> function layout_new(e) { this.value="4676"; return false; }; </script> </head> <body> <TEXTAREA id="textarea1" NAME="textarea1" onkeypress="layout_new(event)" ROWS=7 COLS=40 <...

user55340

6:13 PM

@Ampt I tend to buy all my clothes at stores that sell axes.

Ampt

@MichaelT cough lumberjack cough

sorry, what?

user55340

REI, Cabela's...

user55340

Gander Mountain is in there too...

Ampt

@ThomasOwens Hold on, I need to time how long it takes me to type my response so that I can accurately estimate the next time I need to explain myself.

enderland

writing out goals/performance management stuff is the worst activity known to man

Ampt

6:15 PM

@enderland Don't remind me... I have to do that by the end of the day

uuugh

enderland

me too

user55340

Got an interview at UW Madison CS department next week.

enderland

@MichaelT nice! to teach? that'd be legit :D

Ampt

@MichaelT oooh fancy

@enderland sysadmin from what I understand, no?

user55340

@enderland Lab staff.

enderland

6:16 PM

So research? That could be interesting

user55340

@enderland ohr.wisc.edu/WebListing/Unclassified/…

enderland

Neat

user55340

> - Knowledge of and experience in writing clean, secure PHP or PERL code

Ampt

@MichaelT gross...

user55340

NPR: When Women Stopped Coding (thats National Public Radio)

user55340

6:20 PM

In the 80's PC moving programming from accounting, line of business, and such to games, hardware, and the like is partly to blame for women leaving the computer science profession.

enderland

ooh good no one programs LoB apps anymore

user55340

@enderland There was a period in the 80s where the emphasis wasn't on LOB but games and devices.

enderland

Ahhhhhh

doesn't know much history of programming

user55340

And those who used them tended to be the boys... giving them a head start when entering a computing program.

enderland

I wish I had done programming in high school... meh

user55340

6:23 PM

I recall several 'basic game programming' books with simple games you'd write for the Apple ][+ ... and yes, that got me hooked back then.

Robert Harvey

Heathkit H-8 and Benton Harbor Basic. Cassette tape storage (floppy disks came later). Primitive, but serviceable Intellisense.

user55340

Going from that, entering the CS program in early 90s, I (and many other students I got to know) had been programming basic or dabbling in pascal (Turbo Pascal!) for years.

Robert Harvey

Turbo Pascal was awesome.

The guy who wrote it now heads the C# team at Microsoft.

user55340

Tangent: Ever see this lego advert?

user55340

6:26 PM

Or this one:

user55340

The thing is, we aren't finding ways to engage children in programming (or engineering) effectively at a young age today.

Robert Harvey

Is Alice still a thing?

Supposedly, it even supports Java. It's supposed to teach programming by narrative (storytelling), and is presumably female-friendly.

durron597

lol, i lost 20 rep somehow

maybe a user was deleted that upvoted me?

Robert Harvey

[hides magic wand]

enderland

6:29 PM

@RobertHarvey Yeah it is

Robert Harvey

alice.org/index.php

user41796

@durron597 stackoverflow.com/users/1768232/durron597?tab=reputation This doesn't tell you?

Robert Harvey

So yesterday was my last day. I've now joined @MichaelT in the ranks of the unemployed.

durron597

@GlenH7 It was actually 15 rep, I must have lost an accepted answer.

Robert Harvey

Looking at Dice this morning.

durron597

6:31 PM

Yeah, I did, in this question:

3

A: null pointer exception in stack implementation

The problem is here: char ch[] = new char[n]; You are declaring the array locally in the constructor, so the field never gets assigned. Fix it by doing this: this.ch = new char[n]; The keyword this is, of course, optional, but it makes it more clear what you're doing and your code more read...

user41796

@RobertHarvey Sorry to hear of it. Contract negotiations can stink

user55340

Just noticed that the guy scheduling the interviews is also old school for his signature. '-- ' on a line by itself preceding the sig.

user55340

@RobertHarvey The term is 'unpaid sabatical'

enderland

@RobertHarvey I think we used that in a STEM class I helped lead last spring

durron597

BOOM. 9999

rolfl

6:32 PM

@RobertHarvey If you are looking for some occasionally interesting problems to get your brain in gear with, you should consider reviewing on Code Review.

durron597

@GlenH7 we didn't think of that earlier, thanks whoever did that

enderland

and it's actively used by a lot of people for this purpose still

user55340

Granted, there's that "need to look for another job during the process" which isn't that much fun either.

rolfl

You too, @MichaelT

user41796

6:32 PM

@durron597 - YW

user55340

I think I captured Oded's profile when it was 31337 somewhere.

Robert Harvey

@MichaelT My mistake.

user41796

@MichaelT Pretty sure you did, yes

user55340

Nov 19 '13 at 20:31, by MichaelT

rolfl

good prep for interviews too

enderland

6:33 PM

@RobertHarvey did you quit? I forget. apparently everyone in here is changing jobs right now

Robert Harvey

The new contract requirements did not include my position.

user55340

amazon.com/Beautiful-LEGO-Mike-Doyle/dp/1593275080

enderland

@RobertHarvey ahhh. I somehow missed that :\

Robert Harvey

Never knew there was such a thing as "pay in lieu of notice" before.

They actually have a checkbox for that on the unemployment application.

enderland

Pay in lieu of notice

In employment law, payment in lieu of notice or PILON is a payment made to an employee by the employer, for a notice period that they have been told by the employer they do not have to work. Even an employee dismissed for gross misconduct is entitled to be paid their notice period and any statutory leave they have accumulated. 'In lieu of' means 'in place of', or 'instead of'. If a notice period -for example, one month- is required for an employer to terminate a contract, a 'payment in lieu of notice' is immediate compensation at an amount equal to that an employee would have earned as salary or...

Robert Harvey

6:35 PM

Thanks.

user55340

@RobertHarvey aren't you in California? WARN should be there too...

durron597

I'm still trying to hire a Java developer in Texas... we are willing to pay relocation

user55340

Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Information for Employers

enderland

I wonder if it's advantageous then to have a "buyout" type idea where they pay you a bunch rather than doing that, some sort of severance option

durron597

I'm hoping someone here will bite

enderland

6:36 PM

@durron597 you're willing to relocate your entire company, just for me???

durron597

@enderland Well we need new office space, I hear your living room is nice

user41796

@RobertHarvey That worked in my favor once as well. Contract was hauled up to a complete dead stop over the weekend. In theory that left me without anything to bill against. Resource manager contacted the project and reminded them of the 2 week notice period. So I got to bill for doing nothing but looking for another contract to roll onto.

Robert Harvey

We were told well in advance that there might be layoffs. It didn't get specific until a couple of days ago, though.

user55340

@enderland Netapp did that... part of the issue with tech companies is with the WARN act they didn't want to keep employes there when issues such as corporate espionage (copy the repo) was so easy... though my situation was a bit funky aside from that (notified in Feb, double pay from Feb to June, then the WARN act in June with a payout)

user55340

>
WARN provides protection to employees, their families, and communities by requiring employers to give affected employees and other state and local representatives notice 60 days in advance of a plant closing or mass layoff. Advance notice provides employees and their families some transition time to adjust to the prospective loss of employment, to seek and obtain alternative jobs and, if necessary, to enter skills training or retraining that will allow these employees to successfully compete in the job market.

durron597

6:39 PM

hmm how long does it take for my picture changes on P.SE to reflect here

Robert Harvey

They were presumably still negotiating with NASA over contract specifics until yesterday or the day before.

@durron597 If you're referring to the Gravatar, it can take awhile for the caching to update.

user55340

That said, I'm not sure how contractors factor into that.

durron597

@RobertHarvey k cool. @GlenH7 reminded me that I'm still using a default picture on P.SE ;)

Robert Harvey

You can try Ctrl-F6 several times to speed the process.

rolfl

@durron597 I can speed it along (as can other mods).

durron597

6:42 PM

@rolfl You can if you want I was just curious

enderland

@rolfl .... we can? I didn't know of such sorcery!

user41796

@rolfl how so?

Robert Harvey

[retrieves magic wand]

user55340

Does it involve kicking them out of chat?

rolfl

Nope.

Done, now just refresh your page

durron597

6:43 PM

nope.

user41796

@rolfl -1 for not explaining the why and only providing the what.

durron597

hooray, my tools are back

now i can go back to only lurking on SO

user55340

Oh... photo my nephew took the other day...

enderland

@GlenH7 especially since the what doesn't work? :)

user55340

rolfl

6:44 PM

Hmmmm.

user55340

You can see him holding the camera in the reflection in the glass.

user41796

@MichaelT Pretty good composition. Was the reflection intentional?

user55340

@GlenH7 Nope. Just a nice side bit. Other photos where shot closer so there wasn't a reflection.

rolfl

not working?

user55340

He was very deliberate with the photo choice... specially with later photos.

Robert Harvey

6:46 PM

@GlenH7 Is your new identicon a beige diamond thingy?

user55340

user41796

@rolfl His parent site is serverfault, whereas his lego gravatar is on SO

user41796

@RobertHarvey I've got two, yes

Robert Harvey

I refreshed it on Stack Overflow.

user41796

I'm no longer my pink self on SO? :-(

enderland

6:47 PM

quick screenshot it!

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 That was the only choice. I just assumed SE was still caching it.

user41796

Booo

user41796

I think they changed the gravatar service a while back

user41796

The pink one is from the old service

rolfl

@durron597 ... I changed your 'parent' site to SO, should be the right icon now... if you want it to go back, just ssay

user41796

6:48 PM

I had noticed the beige diamond thing at some point when I looked at my SE profile

user41796

@rolfl Neat trick; that updated the gravatar too

user55340

@GlenH7 If you haven't refreshed it, you have the default one from gravatar still. If you create a new one, the email address is salted to prevent reverse lookup of email address on well known sites.

user41796

Hmmm, in theory I ought to change it then. <sighs>

Robert Harvey

I put the candle back.

user41796

I've picked up some spam from reversing the gravatar image, but not much

user41796

6:50 PM

@RobertHarvey yay!

user55340

i.e.: ???@mailserver.com has a hash of 5c5509b15c1d77824b8b3be18d8820a3 - find out that and you've got my email address.

Robert Harvey

You can upload any image you want there. I just pointed it at the pink one on Programmers.

user55340

You just need to 'solve' for '???' and pick the right mail server.

user41796

@MichaelT given your other handles and other sites, shouldn't be too terribly difficult to figure out...

user41796

No need to reverse the hash

user55340

6:51 PM

What SE has done is the value hashed for gravatar is now 'somesalt+???@mailserver.com' where only SE knows the salt.

user41796

hopefully a per user salt I trust?

user55340

@GlenH7 I don't try to be too anonymous, nor too present.

user55340

@GlenH7 You'd need to poke an SE dev for that info.

enderland

@MichaelT I'd assume so, it'd be really easy for them to have as a lookup

user41796

One afternoon I'll set my age to differing numbers on different site accounts just to mess with folk. aka. just saw that I'm 94 on Progs

user55340

6:56 PM

@enderland Yep. Lots of options such as creation date of the network profile being an easy one to select...

Robert Harvey

My biggest concern about the job search is that most of the work is in the metropolitan LA area, 1 to 2 hours commute time from where I live.

user41796

blech

user55340

@RobertHarvey You need to get a boat! Then you could program on it and work anywhere on the coast! LA, SF, Seattle...

user41796

A previous life had me in LA every now and then. I don't miss their rush hour traffic at all.

Robert Harvey

Boat programming. I like it. Internet access sucks, though.

user55340

6:59 PM

Btw: massive scale boat programing:

user55340

Blueseed

Blueseed is a Silicon Valley-based startup company and a seasteading venture to create a startup community located on a vessel stationed in international waters near the coast of Silicon Valley in the United States. The promoters believe that the location would enable non-U.S. startup entrepreneurs to work on their ventures without the need for a US work visa (H1B), while living in proximity to Silicon Valley and using relatively easier to obtain business and tourism visas (B1/B2) to travel to the mainland. After the conclusion of their incubation on the vessel, successful startups may relocate...

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