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12:12 AM

@Eliah - on the this isn't really true part on right to left, while a game manual may be written comfortably, are you telling me the greater part of design isn't thought of "traditionally" in a culture where it is an insult if you don't accept a business card with both hands?

@GeorgeEdison it's that newfangled Qt release you're using for sure ;)

FEichinger

@AbrahamVanHelpsing The thing is that they don't even have a single "B" character (Yes, I know there is an "A", sheesh), so the whole "tradition" thing makes no sense at all.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Either way. TomAto, Tomaaato

@Seth it's dependent on DE

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Not completely is it?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Launch an app by key. Openbox has a different method than say Unity/anything-running-compiz

Seth

Soo.. xmodmap xbindkeys or xkb won't work in Openbox?

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12:18 AM

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Q: Do Questions about File Conversion via software available on Ubuntu Belong here in askubuntu?

Do Questions about File Conversion via software available on Ubuntu Belong here in askubuntu? For further details the question I'm contemplating asking is about converting chm files to pdf.

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AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Seth :/ they could i guess. i was more looking towards xml config files.

Seth

ooh, XML configs? Know enough to add an answer :D

AbrahamVanHelpsing

it would be an openbox archwiki quote.

on your stackoverflow comment, do check the domchange answer. it is right.

@Mechanicalsnail - r u around?

Eliah Kagan

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I'm not sure I see the relevance of this to your claim that modern Japanese text is written right-to-left, which as far as I understand, is incorrect. Also, please note that I was not telling you anything; I posted a oneboxed comment written by someone else in that thread because I thought it was relevant and interesting.

Mechanical snail

@EliahKagan Vertical Japanese writing is top-to-bottom, then right-to-left.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

12:23 AM

@EliahKagan Modern Japanese is not. We agree. I was more pointing towards a culture that clutches to tradition and years passed more than most

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Which one?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

The one where you said jQuery .on evenet

Seth

Ah that one.

Well, I'd use it, but it still requires an event.

Eliah Kagan

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Yes, it is not in any way my intention to detract from your observations about the importance of tradition in Japanese culture. But Japanese was never written right-to-left, was it? sljfaq.org/afaq/right-to-left.html

Seth

`$('body').on(someEvent , handler() {

}
);

Eliah Kagan

12:25 AM

The pages are.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@EliahKagan they could have stacked the AB buttons, but that would have made it atrocious to use both at the same time

Eliah Kagan

@AbrahamVanHelpsing That ...is a good point!

Seth

@EliahKagan You want this re-opened? askubuntu.com/q/255926/44179

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@EliahKagan well it wouldn't have made it atrocious if it was bottom up right left...unfortunately it was top bottom right left.

Eliah Kagan

@Seth Unless I am mistaken about the problem, yes. But please check to see if you agree it's different, first.

Mechanical snail

12:29 AM

@AbrahamVanHelpsing See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongorongo#Direction_of_writing

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@EliahKagan I would start by placing in a comment why {a} makes it a different problem

Mechanical snail

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Wow.

@Mechanicalsnail Did you see that launchpad bug against LP itself got closed? I checked the control file and I don't think the person that closed the bug did.

Seth

I am. FAMOUS!

sorta

Mechanical snail

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Then reopen it?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

12:33 AM

@Mechanicalsnail I'm going to apt-mirror source repos this weekend and grep for the problem to see if I can find an exploitable instance of it. Then they'll have to not ignore it.

That whole don't bring a gun to a gunfight. bring a nuke to a knife-fight mentality

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FEichinger

@EliahKagan Traditional Japanese is top to bottom, right to left, like Chinese, while westernized Japanese is left to right, top to bottom. Usually modern Japanese is westernized. This also applies to macro-reading direction (as in, books also start at the other end respectively).

ajmitch

@AbrahamVanHelpsing it'll get closed again, it's not a launchpad issue

AbrahamVanHelpsing

okay. so it would get closed as file it upstream?

ajmitch

an explanation was provided in the last comment on the bug, if library maintainers aren't changing package name properly on SONAME change then it's a package bug obviously

AbrahamVanHelpsing

ajmitch

12:39 AM

however managing library transitions & rebuilds like that is still out of scope for launchpad

AbrahamVanHelpsing

they're depending on a pseudo-package. a GOOD practice imo. do check the control file

all it takes is a rebuild on pseudo-package change.

ajmitch

and that's done

AbrahamVanHelpsing

? so the original package got kicked for rebuild?

ajmitch

it's not an automatic thing because there might be API changes as well

Eliah Kagan

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I did. (This is probably what @Seth saw before asking me if I wanted it reopened.)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

12:46 AM

@EliahKagan I've seen the {a} answered well before, but I can't find it

Seth

Yep. I rarely VT-Reopen

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@ajmitch OK. We'll have to go about this thing another way.

wgrant

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Why do you think it's a Launchpad bug? The package's dependencies are wrong -- they don't provide the files that it depends on. The fact that a rebuild fixes it doesn't make it not a package bug if the package's dependencies don't tell the packaging infrastructure that it needs a rebuild.

Seth

Errg, my edit timed out when I wasn't looking.

I meant, I rarely vote to re-open when there isn't a comment.

wgrant

@AbrahamVanHelpsing It's not Launchpad's job to trigger rebuilds in cases of broken dependencies anyway; it's a separate part of the Ubuntu archive management infrastructure. But even then it's not a bug there, since that infrastructure relies on package dependencies rather than knowing how to manual check relationships for every one of the dozens of language-specific library formats.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

12:54 AM

I agree on part of that. It's probably not against launchpad itself, but on a component of the build system

wgrant

No. It is purely, 100%, a bug in photoprint or the library that it incorrectly depends on

I say this with both my Ubuntu developer and Launchpad developer hats on.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

It seems to me:
Depending on a pseudo-package for dev files: Good thing.
Depending on dynamically generated binary dependencies: Good thing.
That's where my logic stops. I can agree it's not against launchpad though.

Mechanical snail

@wgrant It's got to be a process bug in something in the build system when a package can end up in the archive without being tested to even run.

wgrant

@Mechanicalsnail It presumably worked when it was initially built, then libgutenprint changed and broke it.

Mechanical snail

@wgrant And it got added to the Precise archive without testing that it runs on Precise.

ajmitch

12:58 AM

@Mechanicalsnail This is why there's work being done on automated package testing, however covering tens of thousands of packages in universe can be infeasible

wgrant

@Mechanicalsnail If it runs on oneiric then it ran on precise when it was added to precise.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Either a) fix the build system or b) remove all meta-packages. either way solves the problem...

wgrant

Because it was added to precise about 3 hours after oneiric was released, at the same moment libgutenprint was added to precise.

There is no problem with the build system! There is a problem with one of those two packages.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

like i said. we need a grep of source repo-s to find an exploitable edition of this bug.

wgrant

Exploitable?

Your... young

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