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cl-netbox
cl-netbox
6:00 PM
@AndroidDev To be honest, I can't see a big problem ... 20 seconds is not much. :)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
it's the average Windows boot time, after all.
OH WAIT
I thought you said 200 seconds
nevermind :P
200 seconds is Windows
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard he says 20 seconds :)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@cl-netbox it's faster than Windows
which is important :P\
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ThomasWard MUCH faster ! :D
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
me without coffee is weird
I'm far more evil without coffee than with it
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cl-netbox
cl-netbox
6:04 PM
hahaha
 
Seth
Seth
I can get Windows to boot in less than 20 seconds with my SSD.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Seth Windows 3.1 ? :D
 
Seth
Seth
I haven't booted Ubuntu on this computer in a while because of school, so I can't speak for Ubuntu's boot time on it.
@cl-netbox 8.1
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Seth was a joke ! :)
 
Android Dev
Android Dev
@Seth Windows 7 boots in 17 seconds, soooooo.....
 
Seth
Seth
6:05 PM
@AndroidDev then I'm not really sure what your issue is? 3 seconds is not much difference. Took me more than 3 seconds to write this.
@cl-netbox ;)
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@RobotHumans That's nothing, I once read a page of Brainf*ck, and summoned Cthulu, Zalgo, Jörmungandr, a Dark Archangel, Satan, myself, and an interdimensional fissure all into existence on the same exact spot. It was chaos and disorder.
 
Seth
Seth
@ThomasWard "myself" LOL xD
I like it.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Seth this is how I became the Dark Chaotic Evil person I am now :P
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
xD
@ThomasWard How does one pronounce brainfuck code?
 
Seth
Seth
@ByteCommander I imagine you stare at it for a few hours and then utter the second half of its name.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
6:11 PM
Maybe we can pronounce it by converting the code to Blablafuck first?
Ooh, there's a language called ByteByteJump... starts hopping around
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cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@ByteCommander Some progress with your screen lock issue ?
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
It is really cold this morning and there are storm warnings. Fun.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@Serg top kek
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@ByteCommander Evilly.
@ByteCommander We actually convert it to Evil first, then pronounce the Evil.
 
Serg
Serg
6:27 PM
@Zacharee1 bottom hue
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@cl-netbox no. Haven't got any reactions.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@ByteCommander ACTUALLY, we convert it to Magic. Then Spirits do our bidding.
and then we don't pronounce a thing.
or even more evilly...
 
Serg
Serg
@ByteCommander what exactly is the issue ?
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
convert it to Ook! and then go insane
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
Ook! Ook?
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Q: Ubuntu host is unable to lock screen if a VM (virt-viewer/KVM) has input focus

Byte CommanderI run Ubuntu 16.04 and some QEmu/KVM virtual machines with virt-manager. Whenever one of my VMs has input focus and I leave my computer alone for enough time to trigger the host's automatic screen locking, nothing happens. I still see the VM window and the other Ubuntu windows, desktop etc and c...

virtualization kvm lock-screen virt-manager
 
Serg
Serg
6:38 PM
@ByteCommander does it have the same keyboard shortcut as Virtual Box for switching keyboard focus (right ctrl ) ?
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@Serg I have set my host key to Right-Ctrl + AltGr
@ByteCommander test2
Aah... Now my ping sound works again.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
7:12 PM
Oh, I just noticed that yesterday I wrote my 666th answer!
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It was the one with the find-ception, so it actually was a pretty evil one... Had to update it several times and not even accepted yet.
And I also hit 31k yesterday, which makes me all-time rank 39.
sorry for showing off... just feeling proud
 
Serg
Serg
@ByteCommander I'm proud of you as well , buddy :D Still waiting for you to shorten the 10k gap between us
 
terdon
terdon
@ByteCommander Hey, bragging about meaningless internet points is what chat is for!
We've all done it :) And congratulations!
Grr. I'm still #20 site-wide. It's Rinzwind's fault.
4th on U&L though and considering that Gilles and Stéphane are 1 & 2, that essentially counts as 2nd.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
throws a stick at @terdon
 
Serg
Serg
Meanwhile , I'm at 42k here and almost at 4k on U&L
 
Seth
Seth
7:27 PM
-.-
 
terdon
terdon
@Serg Yeah, well done, by the way!
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
now, am I mistaken, or have certain people taken to calling me the darkest most evil moderator, when in reality i'm not :P
looks in @cl-netbox's general direction
 
Serg
Serg
 
Seth
Seth
@ThomasWard then who is? :P
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@Seth we don't speak his name, because he's far above us in evil
 
Seth
Seth
7:28 PM
hah
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
to speak his name is to summon him
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
@Serg Disturbing, really disturbing
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
to summon him is to bring destruction
 
terdon
terdon
When did being evil become a good thing? Did I miss a meeting?
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
therefore we don't speak his name because his name brings destruction
@terdon you've missed 50
 
terdon
terdon
7:28 PM
Oh, you mean Bob. Nobody's eviler than Bob. Stupid Bob.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@terdon @cl-netbox and a few others started calling me evil because I keep bringing up Chaos and Darkness. They're not far off actually
but i'm still not an "evil" moderator
or i wouldn't have a diamond
 
Serg
Serg
@terdon Thanks. I actually enjoy U&L quite a lot now. In the past it seemed a little too tough and strict for my taste.
 
terdon
terdon
@ThomasWard Yeah, I've noticed a pattern.
@Serg You have grown, my son!
:P
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
@terdon it sucks I'm now a dark chaos mage in a D&D campaign now.
well not really, but that's the source of it
 
terdon
terdon
That explains a lot, actually.
 
Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward
7:30 PM
yes, it does.
 
Serg
Serg
@JacobVlijm Meh, what's there to be disturbed about ? You're still in the lead by like 5k :p
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
@Serg You just want to rock me into sleep, so you can silently get passed :) No, but congratulation!
Oh, and @ByteCommander too of course :)
 
Serg
Serg
@JacobVlijm Thanks. If only I wasn't too busy this spring, I'd put more effort , but unfortunately I can't
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
7:48 PM
Such an appealing title for a question:
vgaarb: this pci device is not a vga device in dsegfault at 40 ip 0000000000000040 sp 00007fff1f7f8b78 error 14 in sddm[400000+6f000]mesg
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Screwdriver arrived!
\o/
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
8:20 PM
Surgery is in progress.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
A round maintenance opening? WTF Apple.
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander its a mac mini...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
All apples in my house were organically grown on trees.
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman get this, and you will never wait for a screwdriver again:
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
I think I've got what I need now.
I've got the fan off now. Next up is... the logic board, IIRC.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
8:33 PM
This tool also looks suitable for opening up apple devices... once:
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander, well yes that would work to...If you never want to use it again!
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
You don't
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
The saw joke is getting old.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@TheXed What makes you assume that this is not the case?
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander because I know @NathanOsman better then that...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
8:36 PM
@NathanOsman Therefore I decided on a hammer today.
Such variety. Much wow.
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander speaking of variety (and thanks for the topic transition)....
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
yes?
 
TheXed
TheXed
Every time I take a package to the post office they ask me a different set of questions...all seeming random...last week it was "any knives, bombs, guns, or other weapons of mass destruction?"
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
Wat!?
 
TheXed
TheXed
Today, "Any fire hazards such as lithium ion batteries, or perfume?"
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
8:39 PM
@ThomasWard Are you visiting the same post office as @TheXed maybe? o.O
They seem to have bad experiences...
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander yeah it was the same post office...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
:P
 
TheXed
TheXed
I guess some people think I fit the profile or a terrorist, and some people think I fit the profile of a IT person?
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
cyberterrorist.
 
TheXed
TheXed
but the perfume...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
8:41 PM
Speaking of that, I need to finish my presentation about Stuxnet.
 
TheXed
TheXed
maybe she was hinting that I smelled good...I don't know...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
@TheXed "No sir, just some Uranium-235 and Plutonium-238."
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman men do not work at the front counter of the post office...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@NathanOsman That again fits Stuxnet.
 
TheXed
TheXed
I don't know why, but I have never gone to a post office with a man running the front counter...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
8:43 PM
I guess this is a clear hint I should get productive now.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
@TheXed There are plenty where I live.
 
TheXed
TheXed
You live in Canada though?
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Yes.
The logic board is stuck in there pretty good.
 
TheXed
TheXed
and he who must not be named is not your president...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@NathanOsman In Canada? o.O
 
TheXed
TheXed
8:45 PM
@NathanOsman yeah they are hard as hell to wrangle out of there...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
How do you know?
You've had to open one up?
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman I have opened a few up.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Okay, fair enough.
I don't want to break it.
 
TheXed
TheXed
When I worked for a computer repair shop.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
I could give you another hint on how to loosen it a bit, but...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
8:46 PM
It says to insert screwdrivers into the two holes and pull forward.
But it won't give at all.
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander Vaseline is not going to help...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
I think his idea was a tad more destructive...
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman hmm... I would say apply more tension, but like you I don't want you to break it...
@NathanOsman but you can always use systemd.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Nopenopenope.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
 
TheXed
TheXed
8:49 PM
@NathanOsman have you watched video on youtube to see if you can tell how much force people have to actually use?
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Good idea.
 
Ask Ubuntu Meta
Ask Ubuntu Meta
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Q: Contributing as a new member in this mature StackExchange site

O8h7wSo, I am relatively new to Ubuntu (a couple years) and completely new to this site as a registered user. I have found lots of good information here before, but just now did I find something to contribute. Hence I create an account and login. But in order to put small contributions into comments ...

discussion
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman I have one every now and again.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Aha!
I got it.
You can do it with one screwdriver if you slowly alternate between the two holes.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@Seth You're right... Edited comment and removed CV meta.askubuntu.com/questions/16710/…
 
Serg
Serg
8:56 PM
whole goddamn schedule is messed up
On one hand , registrar's office doesn't put on the schedule some of the folks who reserve labs, but then on the other - my coworker didn't write down complete schedule on the board, so I have to apologize to people walking in thinking lab is open, but then it's not
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman great.
 
Serg
Serg
Welp, seems like it's the dead afternoon time. Not too many questions that I can tackle on AU or U&L
I guess I can study now . . .
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
I've got the hard drive caddy out now.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@Serg I guess being late evening in Europe has a larger impact than afternoon in the US...
 
TheXed
TheXed
What exactly are you doing anyways?
@ByteCommander that is because the US doesn't sleep...
 
Jacob Vlijm
Jacob Vlijm
9:06 PM
...Use his brand new drive-screwer
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
@TheXed replacing the hard drive with an SSD.
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman not just replacing, upgrading :-D
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@TheXed or sleeps all day
 
TheXed
TheXed
@ByteCommander nope, we think so highly of ourselves that we are incapable of sleep, we have to much to do...the rest of the world needs us...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
and the Mexicans pay for it... ikr
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
9:10 PM
@TheXed Whatever it is, I'm doing it.
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman, so when building a computer that small there are two problems that have to be solved...1. How do you get all the pieces in that amount of space, and for it to function as desired. and 2. How do you get the damn thing apart... I don't ever want to be the person tasked with solving the second problem.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
I didn't realize the bay had two screws one each side.
I almost broke the two on the other side.
Noticed what was happening just in time.
 
TheXed
TheXed
whoops...
 
guntbert
guntbert
The short memory of the audit system: getting a post I myself voted to close :-)
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Drive is out!
 
TheXed
TheXed
9:13 PM
Sweet!
 
guntbert
guntbert
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Hard to believe that small thing can store 4 trillion bits of information on a rotating disc.
 
TheXed
TheXed
Good job, now put all those non-standardized cables back where you found them :-P
To be completely fair though...when you look at circuit boards, particularly anything designed by Apple, they truly are pieces of art...
@NathanOsman go ahead, take a moment to admire it...
 
Zanna
Zanna
@guntbert I failed an audit on a spam post which had a comment by me under it saying "this is spam, please flag" so my memory is even shorter than the audit system's XD
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
It's more frightening to take a picture of the workspace...
Screws. Screws everywhere...
 
guntbert
guntbert
9:20 PM
@Zanna :-)
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman that is well organized compared to my typical workspace...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
It's a makeshift workspace so that's why it looks so clean :P
 
RobotHumans
RobotHumans
@ThomasWard nice
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
9:38 PM
Getting the logic board back in is proving as difficult as it was to get out.
 
TheXed
TheXed
Uh oh...
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Got it - just had to do the reverse of what I did earlier.
Putting the fan back together.
And... done.
Now to see if the thing boots...
It boots!
Now. Let's see how much faster it is.
 
TheXed
TheXed
10:12 PM
BENCHMARKS!!! WE WANT BENCHMARKS!
 
Seth
Seth
@NathanOsman all that work to change a HDD?
 
TheXed
TheXed
@Seth not change, upgrade.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
10:27 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Mutt message: "Alarm Clock" by R. Lambert on askubuntu.com
 
Seth
Seth
@TheXed same thing
 
TheXed
TheXed
@Seth no it isn't, a replacement is a lateral move, no increase in performance or storage space. A upgrade is a upward move, either in performance, or storage space, or both.
Although I guess you can call a change an upgrade, but it doesn't usually imply that...
 
Seth
Seth
@TheXed pretty sure he replaced a HDD with an SSD.
 
TheXed
TheXed
because I change my socks every day, but at the end of the day they still smell like sweety feet...
@Seth no he upgraded his HDD with an SSD.
 
Seth
Seth
upgrade is a change ;)
what I was really trying to say.
 
TheXed
TheXed
10:34 PM
but change isn't always an upgrade.
 
Seth
Seth
I never said that.
 
TheXed
TheXed
but it is implied.
 
Seth
Seth
no..
 
TheXed
TheXed
yes.
 
Seth
Seth
lets say your disk died and you need to replace it. you still have to go through all those steps. that's a change, not an upgrade.
So how was I implying an upgrade when I said "change"?
 
TheXed
TheXed
10:36 PM
because changing doesn't answer why.
 
Seth
Seth
but why is not the point. the point is how hard it is.
 
TheXed
TheXed
but if you said someone upgraded their HDD to an SSD, then we probably can ascertain why without any further information...
 
Seth
Seth
sure, but again, that is not the point. The point is how hard it is to change the physical disk. Whether that is an upgrade or not.
why you are changing it irrelevant.
 
TheXed
TheXed
but the question, was "you did all that to change a HDD?" which in itself seems silly, but to say someone went through all that to upgrade their HDD to an SSD is not as silly.
@Seth because the meaning of words matter.
 
Seth
Seth
@TheXed but the point is not what Nathan chose to go through, but what Apple designed it to make you go through.
 
TheXed
TheXed
10:44 PM
That was also @NathanOsman choice when he decided he wanted a faster storage medium.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
What have I gotten myself into this time?
@Seth Wait until I finish uploading all the pictures...
 
Seth
Seth
I was saying it's ridiculous how hard it is to replace the disk, and @TheXed is now arguing with me about the technicality of the word "change", "upgrade", and "replace". He's probably technically correct but I don't understand his point considering all I was thinking about was the difficulty of doing something so simple. Regardless of the motive or intent.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
Help
So much work
 
Seth
Seth
We're probably talking past each other ;p
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@NathanOsman better don't screw it up then...
(late joke, I know)
 
Seth
Seth
10:49 PM
@Zacharee1 talk to me about work. This is the first day I've had the energy to concentrate on school in 2 weeks. I'm so behind now I'll probably lose the entire quarter if I can't start feeling immensely better very soon.
 
TheXed
TheXed
My point is, that we should use the proper words for the proper meaning....proper tool for the job so to speak.. However, I digress.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@Seth You're still not fully restored? At least you feel better though, glad to hear you're making progress.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
I now have a bunch of extra screwdrivers...
 
TheXed
TheXed
@NathanOsman open a Mac Mini HDD "change" side business...
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
That's good. At least better than extra screws after having put everything together again.
 
Seth
Seth
10:53 PM
@ByteCommander yeah. you can't tell over chat but I've just been going from bed -> couch -> bed for the last 2 weeks. I started some nutritional supplements and natural stuff and I now have the energy to at least move around the house, but the doctors still have no clue what's going on.
@NathanOsman not a bad problem to have, all things considered.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Wat. OS X recovery can't mount SMB shares?
Lame.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
Oh... Not knowing what's wrong must be horrible.
 
Serg
Serg
user image
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Byte Commander
Byte Commander
It's for compatibility with these ^
 
Serg
Serg
Or maybe with this ?
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
10:56 PM
works.
 
Nathan Osman
Nathan Osman
Well, there's always...
 
Zanna
Zanna
awww @Serg I made a really complicated answer to that question which I now see was pointless XD
I didn't know find could do that
 
Serg
Serg
@Zanna lol , sorry
You could still post it. What does that involve ? @Zanna
@NathanOsman It's hard to take GLaDOS seriously as murderous AI , when she's in that form :3 but I still like her voice
 
Zanna
Zanna
I did it like this 
if [[ $UID == $(stat -c %u .) ]] && [[ -n $(stat -c %a . | grep -o '7[0-7][0-7]$') ]]; then
    echo "you have permission, continuing"
    elif [[ -n $(id -G| grep -ow $(stat -c %g .)) ]] && [[ -n $(stat -c %a . | grep -o '7[0-7]$') ]]; then
    echo "you have permission, continuing"
    elif [[ -n $(stat -c %a . | grep -o '7$') ]]; then
    echo "you have permission, continuing"; else
    echo "You do not have permission, please move to another directory"
    exit 1
fi
haha the star wall is hilarious
 
Serg
Serg
um . . yeah. . .that might slightly be too complex ^_^'''
 
Zanna
Zanna
11:07 PM
hahahaha
 
Seth
Seth
can people think of questions you know of that have different answers for different versions of ubuntu? Need some good examples for a meta post.
e.g. "can I move the unity launcher" is one I thought of. "no" for anything pre 16.04 and "a little bit" anything 16.04 and after. I know there are other cases like this.
 
Zanna
Zanna
@Serg kind of like the hideous sed answer I posted on U&L this morning
@Seth systemd vs upstart?
there's also no /etc/rc.local in 16.10
 
Seth
Seth
@Zanna ooh, good one. Do we have a question like that? Maybe how to enable/disable services? I don't recall a generic question about that off the top of my head (maybe we need one)
 
Zanna
Zanna
yeah there are loads of questions... erm idk if I can find an awesome one but I can find a few
 
Serg
Serg
@Seth suspending is kind of up there. you can use systemctl suspend in 15.04 and onwards, but before that you'd have to use dbus only. dbus is still usable in newer versions,too. Network Manager has changed as well. Some options are different ( I'd need to see my older answers for specifics ) and nm-tool is now gone
 
Seth
Seth
11:10 PM
I need actual questions guys, not just places in the system (although that gives me ideas where to look for questions, so still somewhat helpful)
 
Zanna
Zanna
 
Seth
Seth
 
Zanna
Zanna
oh that one is way better haha
 
Seth
Seth
@Zanna oh that's good.
 
Zanna
Zanna
muru has some good answers about it I think...
 
Seth
Seth
11:12 PM
for the curious, I'm taking a look at how AU handles version changes re this MSE post:
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Q: How should software related SE sites handle drastic version changes?

mpdonadioA situation has come up on Drupal Answers that I wanted to bring to the larger SE audience. I am not asking for how to solve our particular problem, but how this type of problem should be handled on SE in general. For those that don't know Drupal Answers, is the SE site dedicated to an open-sou...

discussion tags version-tags
@Zanna also obligatory eww systemd taking over things it has no business in :(
 
Zanna
Zanna
haha yeah
hmm I didn't realise how late it was... that useless script took like an hour to figure out hahahaha
muru even has a question that might help askubuntu.com/questions/492871/…
sleep time, later all :)
 
IanC
IanC
11:29 PM
good evening!
 
TheXed
TheXed
@Zanna last night we discovered that @Muru is a secret Japanese Scientific Research Vessel (aka: Japanese Whaling Ship)
but then we discovered the Japanese Whaling Ship is actually the Maru...
so we let him live and didn't feed him to sharks...
 
William
William
11:46 PM
is there a place I can donate my macbook/computer so they can be used to do testing on live cds and the operating system? Ping me thanks
 
TheXed
TheXed
@William sure...I know of a place...
 
William
William
@TheXed other then your address?
 
Serg
Serg
OP better not say "But I wanted bash" askubuntu.com/a/880247/295286 I can certainly write that in bash, but seriously python way is easier
 
TheXed
TheXed
@William no I am serious, the School District I work at will never turn down a donation.
 
William
William
@TheXed address? I will think about it
 
TheXed
TheXed
11:53 PM
Okay I am getting supper ready I will send it to you in a bit.
 
William
William
on 2nd thought I am not paying shipping for an old laptop like this
does anyone know of a linux distro that will live cd boot on a 2009 macbook?
 
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