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12:00 AM
There's plenty of distros. I'd be more concerned if your Macbook can handle Linux
 
@Serg ubuntu 16 live cd is a no go
2009 isn't that old is it?
 
Well . . . it kind of is . . .by the modern world standards
 
trying ubuntu 10.04 then 12 if that doesn't work
 
@William 99% of testing is done by normal people like you and me. Ubuntu is a free open sourced operating system and while there is a commercial company that sponsors it it works nothing like Windows. So you'll likely end up sending it to a normal person on the QA team if you really want to donate it for testing :)
I'd ask in #ubuntu-quality on freenode (IRC). They'll know who will be able to put it to most use.
 
They may have dropped support for such a old model though right?
So its irrelevant
 
12:05 AM
Not at all! Ubuntu runs on hardware much older than 2009.
Macs have some inherent differences that can make it harder to get installed, and it might not be able to handle Unity, but it will run Ubuntu just fine.
 
> There's plenty of distros. I'd be more concerned if your Macbook can handle Linux
? i'm confused
it is a macbook pro also
12.04 has a cursor!!!
 
Welp, to sum up , today was ok day. I failed to do my digital 3 and history homework, but at least i maxed out on my points here on Ask Ubuntu and got 55 on U&L
today was a good UTC day
 
12.04 works!!!! its funny because you can put the display down to zero in ubuntu with now back ligth
wifi doesn't work though
how likely is it I scratched a disk?
because I'm suprised 12 works but not 16
why doesn't ubuntu copy windows behaviors more?
 
@William no worries, I wouldn't want to pay shipping either, but hey honestly if you decide you don't want it, contact your local school districts, they might want it...
 
12:23 AM
@William 16 and 12 differ in the init systems they have and whole bunch of other things. Also, why would Ubuntu need to copy Windows ? Ubuntu is it's own OS and is vastly different in the goals it's trying to achieve
 
12:49 AM
Does using dd to copy an ISO to a USB device work?
Rufus refuses to write the macOS ISO to my USB drive.
 
@NathanOsman you will need to create the macOS on mac computer or follow one of the guides written online for windows if there are any of them
isos are not like thumb drives superuser.com/questions/1170832/…
 
@NathanOsman I did it before and it worked, but I don't have anything to back me up it is the correct way to do it :p
 
@William Hm... I need the USB drive to install macOS onto the Mac :P
So we've got a bit of a catch-22 here.
 
crap, I just found a hidden bug in one of my codes
a little function that gave me big head aches before, I thought I had it nailed and tchada, it is still bugged -.-
 
12:57 AM
@NathanOsman are you building a hackintosh by any chance
 
@William no, he has a mac mini, that he upgraded his HDD to a SSD...
 
Hey, it worked!
 
what worked? just curious in case I have to do this some time
@NathanOsman
 
dd to copy the ISO to the USB drive.
 
and it booted? that's suprising
 
12:58 AM
@William Nope, I put an SSD in my Mini and it now has no OS :P
@William Yup!
Maybe it's because the ISO is a special hybrid format.
 
@NathanOsman you had problems installing OSX?
 
HFS+ and ISO 9660.
@TheXed Something borked the USB drive I originally planned to use.
So all I had was the ISO file.
 
Oh so basically bad install media...
 
@TheXed just creating the boot thumb drive in Windows or linux
thumb drives I have found to be glitcher then cds don't know if it is true
@NathanOsman what is the exact command you ran out of curiosity
 
sudo dd if='/path/to/Install_macOS_Sierra_(OS_X_10.12.3).iso' of=/dev/sdd bs=4M status=progress
 
1:02 AM
@NathanOsman I was thinking here, got a small doubt: Does the shift operators work the same on every endianess? For example:
Little endian:
(0x0A0B) On memory:
00001011 00001010
(0x0A0B >> 8) would become (0x000A)?:
00001010 00000000
 
@William @NathanOsman the only brand of flash drive I have ever had problems with booting from has been PNY...
 
Big endian:
(0x0A0B) On memory:
00001010 00001011
(0x0A0B >> 8) would become (0x000A)?:
00000000 00001010
 
@IanC that looks correct off the top of my head.
 
like, if we were to assume we are shifting the memory literally, only the big endian would work to result in 0x000A
 
The numerical value is the same in both cases but they are stored differently in memory.
 
1:05 AM
@TheXed I've read historical bad reviews of Kingston Data Traveller but don't know if that still holds true.
 
great! :)
@NathanOsman thanks, I was thinking the same, but the bug I got in my function has something to do with endianess I believe, so I was thinking if maybe I was wrong
 
@TheXed The drive itself wasn't the problem, it's just that something went funny when I had it plugged in and some of the boot files got modified.
 
Hmm maybe....but I had a 512mb Kingston Data Traveler that I used for a freeNAS boot disk for a long time...
 
So it would display the Apple logo and then panic after a few seconds.
 
@NathanOsman odd...
 
1:06 AM
The dd copy restored a pristine copy to the drive and it works.
So I won't complain.
Let's see how it runs now.
 
haha 512 MB?... No everything I've had in pen drives are like 16 GB+ But I'm late to the party :)
 
@NathanOsman you can complain, but it doesn't mean anyone will listen....
 
My first flash drive was bought around 2003. $90 for a 256 MB drive.
That was state-of-the-art back then :D
 
Wow... The Source sells them in little fish bowls at the counter checkout for like 10 bucks.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix my first USB flash drive was 256MB (which I thought was huge), and it was 40 bucks clearance at BestBuy....
I was like hell yeah I will never have to buy a floppy disk again!
which was true....but...
 
1:09 AM
lol
 
Yeah, that was what I used to replace floppy disks too.
The only problem was drivers.
 
That's what we used to say about the Zip Drives....can't remember the size but I think around 100 MB.
 
compared to today's prices and storage sizes....feels like a colossal waste of money...
 
yup
I think the smallest USB key I have owned is 128mb
 
The other day I literally went to Wal-Mart, and bought a 65gb flash drive for 25bucks, and it is shock/water resistant...
 
1:11 AM
I have one of those Corsair Survivor drives. 32 GB @ 35 MB/s.
Apparently it is waterproof to 200m and fire resistant.
 
^ cool
 
hmm.... now I want to speed test my USB pen drives with hdparm
 
@NathanOsman I have one of those too...was a little more expensive... the one I bought the other day was a Gorilla drive...
the thing about the survivor drives is they don't play nice with thin laptops...
 
> "Your account password cannot be the same as your iCloud password."
What the heck?
 
you either end up propping one side of the laptop up or letting the flash drive hang off the edge of a table waiting for someone to walk bye and rip it out of the USB port by accident.
 
1:14 AM
@TheXed Didn't yours come with a tiny USB cable to connect it?
 
@NathanOsman nope.
 
You should get one :P
Solves all your problems.
 
I have one...I should throw it in my bag....
but that is another cable I have to dig out to use my flash drive...
Yes, it fixes one problem, but creates another...
 
Aw yeah, it's much faster booting now.
 
How fast?
 
1:17 AM
I'll time it.
 
waiting....I am not accustomed to waiting :=P
 
29s from power button to a working desktop.
 
hahahahahahaa... if only it weren't true.
 
It used to be a couple minutes :P
 
Nice, mine takes 34s....but I did fat finger my password...
was that a shut down, and power-up or a restart?
 
1:21 AM
@NathanOsman Booting from floppies used to be painful... especially when you had to stick a match book inside to line up with heads properly.
 
@TheXed Shut down and then turn on.
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Yikes!
 
I should disable my password, and time it...
take human error out of the equation...
 
I just remember the days before the average BIOS could boot from CD/DVD.
You had to resort to special "chain loader" floppies.
 
Haha you had to boot a floppy in order to boot a CD? That's a hoot!
 
1:22 AM
sure
cause systems didn't have cd boot
 
I time warped from only floppies and hard disks to DVD's, USB's, etc. that could all boot... I lost 10 years in between.
 
@NathanOsman I remember those days...
@WinEunuuchs2Unix how can you not have experience at this? you are older then both of us combined?
 
Then we repeated the same thing all over again with DVDs.
 
I was homeless for a decade.
 
I could press a button during POST to boot CDs but it didn't work for DVDs.
 
1:24 AM
okay password is disabled...shutting down and will see how long it takes to boot
 
Lol.
"Password, shmassword. I want to benchmark!"
So I now have two desktops with SSDs and gigabit ethernet. This should make transfering files more fun.
 
Surprised you didn't connect them together with Thunderbolt instead of Ethernet :)
 
My tower desktop doesn't have Thunderbolt.
I'm hoping my next desktop has 10 GbE.
:P
 
27 seconds...seems like it take a while for it to even POST....a good 11 seconds...
so if we don't count that it could be booted in 16 seconds...
Lol listen to me complain about 30 second boot time.
 
1:42 AM
@NathanOsman if I had proper cabling, it would be something I'd totally consider. Apparently desktop cards are pretty cheap on fleabay
 
Right now 10Gbe o
Is crazy expensive right now.
Actually transferring files over gigabit Ethernet isn't nearly as much fun because it is so damn fast.
You don't get to watch the fancy little graphics for a few hours or whatever.
And wonder at what point it is going to fail so you have to start over again.
Takes the risk vs. Reward right out of the equation.
Because now I have gone from waiting hours for it to fail I have gone to minutes.
So boring....
 
Speaking of boring...time to fold clothes.
 
Yeah I still need to put mine away from Sunday 😐
 
2:08 AM
So macOS doesn't play nice with copying .app files from one install to another.
Even though both are signed into the same iCloud account...
 
Funny the cloud whose job it is to spy on you prevents you from copying files between two of your own machines.
^^^ Does user name of root (not recommended right?) still need to use sudo to delete files owned by root? I might have to delete my answer here...
 
Why is he mucking around in a root shell?
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Nope, root can do anything.
sudo, when run as root, is essentially a NOOP.
 
So what is wrong in that question and he can't delete the directories?
 
Isn't Kali off-topic?
 
I thought kali was the machine / host name...LOL
 
2:17 AM
It looks like his SD card's filesystem is corrupt anyway.
Not even root can magically make broken stuff work :P
 
testdisk might fix things up though :)
I'm deleting my stupid answer.... thanks for setting me straight!
I didn't feel like continuing to help someone that keeps calling people "dude" anyway :p
 
Lol.
 
ok I'll close if it's kali.
Thanks @NathanOsman
 
No problem.
 
After a short period of 14 months and 725 messages it appears they are fixing this bug: "[Bug 109051] intel_idle.max_cstate=1 required on baytrail to prevent crashes": bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051
 
2:55 AM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix They made ZIPs up to 750MB, actually
 
The problem is that very few end users had ZIP drives in their PCs.
So it didn't work very well for file portability.
Here's the entire album with pictures for those interested: goo.gl/photos/PEgDb4XynSZxPGNH6
(@Seth, etc.)
 
@NathanOsman Yep, I frequently make use of my floppy with the PLOP boot manager when working on older computers.... What's really annoying is that I have this one motherboard that can boot a USB floppy drive, but not a regular USB device... What the heck?
@NathanOsman While you're here, any ideas? askubuntu.com/q/881255/518562
 
I haven't seen anything like that.
My boot is delayed because I mount network shares.
 
@NathanOsman But this is a pre-kernel issue, I think
 
3:14 AM
@NathanOsman I just recommended zip drives for backups.... only one client had a zip drive at work and at home and moved files that way.
 
Gah!
As if I didn't have enough problems.
Now when I import my VM into VirtualBox, it complains that Windows isn't activated.
 
@AndroidDev I don't understand your question "how do you get Grub to tell you what it's doing" on this thread
 
BOOM
@NathanOsman not new news
whenever you move a Windows VM it detects a major hardware change and needs reactivated
this is common for Win7+
 
It won't reactivate though.
I reentered the product key.
 
@NathanOsman you usually have to go the manual route
phone call and everything
 
3:19 AM
How do I do that?
 
what happens when you enter the key
exact err msg
 
One sec.
 
is it win7 or win10 or what, also
 
Quick! We need to ansr fast: askubuntu.com/questions/881420/…
 
@muru s/ansr/call forth orbital bombardment/
 
3:23 AM
Boom!
@WinEunuuchs2Unix mission accomplished.
 
That was more "close fast" than "ansr fast" :p
 
the Darkness has come >:D
all must fear the Darkness.
 
That's why I have seven flashlights
 
does nothing
 
@ThomasWard ---^
 
3:24 AM
you'd need 500000000000000000000 lumens of light, basically the Sun itself, to reveal anything in this darkness
 
during the daylight true....but in darkness flashlights do wonders!
My holstered light is 960 lumens... but my spiderman dollarama keychain light is problem only 10 :p
 
@NathanOsman so, you don't see 'activate by phone' at all? support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/950929/…
 
@NathanOsman does the SKU match?
 
@muru VM migration, might cause evils
 
@ThomasWard Nope.
 
3:26 AM
since Win10 memorizes the Hardware Profile of the system it's on
usually requires me to call Microsoft to fix it
 
This is Windows Server 2012 R2.
 
Oh, migration.. sneaks away
 
@NathanOsman my dell had a OEM key that became persona non-grata after a few years because everyone and their dog was using it on the internet and M$ decided to deactivate it.
 
Reactivating Windows 10 after a hardware change
* If you made a significant hardware change to your device, such as replacing the motherboard, Windows might no longer be activated.
* The Activation troubleshooter might be able to help you reactivate Windows 10 after a hardware change.
* Select the Start button, select Settings > Update & security > Activation, and then select the Troubleshoot button. You must be signed in as an administrator to use the troubleshooter.
* If running the troubleshooter doesn’t help or you don’t see the Troubleshoot button, you’ll need to contact support (http:
@NathanOsman ^
courtesy of their virtual support agent
VM migration counts as hardware change unfortunately
 
AHA!
@ThomasWard this did it:
slui.exe 4
 
3:30 AM
cool
but still, troubleshooter :P
 
There, activated again.
Now, back to what I was doing...
@ThomasWard LOL. Guess what.
I just realized that the machine wasn't connected to the network when I booted it.
 
lol
@NathanOsman FAILURE
You Lose.
 
I didn't notice the network adapter was set incorrectly.
I iz stupid.
Changed the network adapter.
 
here's a hammer
have fun
 
3:50 AM
There. Everything is working now.
Well, 800 MB of updates, but whatever.
And now three devices on the network are updating themselves.
RIP Internet speed.
 
4:12 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: To Make Skin Look Younger by davidgaties on askubuntu.com
 
 
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5:16 AM
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Hahahahaha
 
LOL.
 
 
2 hours later…
I don't think it is...
 
Flagged
@Zanna why not?
 
@Zanna yes it is
1. windows only software 2. link to download page -> unwanted = spam
question is to get to focus away from the actual download
all it misses is a refferal in the link :X
 
7:47 AM
Aaaargh, nearby (well, yes of course, but very?) @Rinzwind
 
that pixs is from the actual floor at my lift D:
 
@Rinzwind "licht gewond" seems very lucky, given the circumstances...
 
yeah, does not say who got stabbed though.
 
8:05 AM
Nice one, Microsoft:
How the heck are those files going to help me?
 
@JacobVlijm what exactly is untrue ?
 
See my comment.
@Serg ^
 
8:27 AM
@JacobVlijm Read my commend. Handling gsettings isn't low on juice. It's still an external program, for which you need to start another process
 
@Serg I guess I don't need to explain that doing the job without adding a background process is more efficient by definition. What you state is simply wrong.
 
@JacobVlijm This background process uses absolutely no resources, and doesn't affect performance of the system in any way.
 
@Serg I know I use background procs often, but only if I see no other option. Simply better practice. procs can break, interfere with others, and again: nearly zero is always more then absolutely zero, and your claim is therefore plain wrong. I suggest you remove it.
Need to teach, see you later.
 
@JacobVlijm Procs can break and so can modifications done to shortcuts. This at least doesn't mess with language switching. I'll stick to my answer - using API is better than using an external process.
 
...@Serg I am sorry, but I need to downvote then. False info.
 
8:38 AM
@JacobVlijm feel free to do so, your right to downvote, although I suggest you don't - my answer is completely fine; keep in mind it's my right to also take this situation to meta for discussion. And just because you think not using API is somehow better, well - maybe you need to re-evaluate your views.
 
@Serg Please take it to meta. My point is not using whatever you want. I would only downvote if it is harmfull. Wrong information is a reason to downvote however. My vote is sincere and correct. Rarely downvote.
 
@JacobVlijm and how is my answer harmful ?
 
I said I normally would only downvote if it is harmfull, or if information is wrong.
...But please do take it to meta. I think this is an important one.
See you later, have to run.
 
9:45 AM
Debugging at 1:45am.
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hahahaha
 
Oli
@JacobVlijm On a technical level, I'm not sure your critique is fair there. A typical event loop isn't honking on the CPU. Hell, your method uses an event loop (you just aren't setting it up manually).
 
@Oli, I have to run, but where am I setting a loop? I just run the script on shortcut call.
....It is the claim though, that is pertinent incorrect.
 
Oli
And what do you think is watching for that shortcut? An event loop.
 
@ Oli ...Which runs anyway
With or without my changed shortcut
Adding one to see what happens in gsettings is additional. Nearly zero or not. "which means it's one less external program to run and thus is faster and consumes less resources." is therefore plain wrong. @Oli
 
10:18 AM
Argh. Flexbox was supposed to solve all our problems. And the stupid thing doesn't even provide for spacing between elements. Tables are out. Float doesn't allow height synchronization.
Considering that it's past 2am, I'm ready to bring back Flash.
I think I ought to go to bed now.
 
Any German-speakers feeling very generous with their time? askubuntu.com/a/839807/527764
 
@Zanna weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_dev.en.html even longer but already English ;)
 
@Takkat awesome!
thank you very much
 
you're always very welcome :)
 
Oli
10:40 AM
@JacobVlijm No. I've spent some time reviewing this (even looking through the Unity source to see if there's another answer) but I agree with @Serg. Binding a script like yours (that has to do two gsettings lookups, potentially from a cold start, and then decide what to do) takes time and includes a load of context switches. I'm fairly sure Serg is correct that his little persistent snippet is both faster to operate changes and uses fewer resource doing so.
The loop was a red herring, sorry about that.
The obvious downside of the persistent method is it needs to be running (so needs something to start it) and his code doesn't automatically pick up changes to org.gnome.desktop.input-sources, where yours —by virtue of never storing the result— would... But he's still right in what he said.
 
 
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12:48 PM
anyone with >20k want to help me delete this useless answer? askubuntu.com/a/540857/527764
 
@Oli I must be missing something, but how can something that does totally zero as long as there is no language switch, be less efficient that something that runs forever, adds a process?
 
1:09 PM
@Zanna done
 
thanks :D
 
Oli
1:48 PM
@JacobVlijm It didn't say "efficient", it says "faster and consumes less resources". But if you want to talk efficiency, what is more efficient? Spending no appreciable CPU on a lightweight process for instant turnaround, or something that takes longer to operate when you want it to operate. We're splitting hairs here but you are saying he's wrong. He isn't.
 
@Oli then see this:
When running my script in a loop, four times per second, the output of:
pidstat -h -r -u -v -p 6191 5
shows cpu:0,8%, mem:0,94% on my system
Even if I would change language once per twenty seconds average per day (which would be insane), this would equal zero/zero, where running the background script takes zero / 0.35% mem
> claim is wrong
 
Hello and good afternoon ! :)
@JacobVlijm Hello Jacob and good afternoon to you ! :) Just read your discussion with @Serg ... please do me a favor and revoke the downvote from the answer of @Serg ... as you can see in the comment underneath, he is very "unhappy" with the situation ... in the end it's "splitting hairs" just as @Oli mentioned ... so is it worth it or deserved ? Please make our friend @Serg happy again ... would be very kind of you - thank you very much in advance. :)
@JacobVlijm As a little motivation I have upvoted both answers - your one and the one from @Serg ! :)
 
Hi @cl-netbox I appreciate your input, but if you present your answer with a claim like this, you should live up to it. It is nothing personal btw. I did like Serg and I still do (and probably always will). That does not mean I need to do what I think is right.
If I seriously believe I am wrong, sure, I will undo. I am pretty sure I am not wrong though.
 
2:06 PM
@JacobVlijm Completely agree with you pointing out your opinion on the content ... really do ... but a downvote for @Serg ? He never writes "bullshit" ... so, is it really necessary ? Please ... :) I know how you feel when you receive downvotes ... and you know that I don't like them too ... :)
 
@cl-netbox Why don't you ask Serg to remove the section? Same question.
 
Oli
@JacobVlijm Your claim that it's untrue is just as flawed. Just as open to interpretation based on a scenario. I've already explained where his is faster, you've explained where yours is more efficient.
His is also easier.
More discrete (a single file sitting in an autostart directory)
And you're punishing it because you can't bring yourself to read between the lines and interpret "the claim" as "while changing language".
 
Got trusted user privileges first time on SE network on Hinduism.SE (beta)
 
@Oli really, if you say something, it is your (Serg's) job to prove it is true. "consumes less resources" is simply wrong. I don't remember having any objections to the rest of the answer, nor why "easier" would be an argument to accept an incorrect claim.
 
Oli
It does consume less resources though. Yours has to read the language settings. Work out what's next. Send the change. Then add the keybindings. His just listens for the language changed event and then fires in the keybindings. It is one fewer external applications because he doesn't need to change any settings, that has already happened before his code wakes up.
 
2:16 PM
hello
 
Oli
I'm going to start losing hair to this argument soon.
 
@JacobVlijm What about taking it this way : you both offer solutions, but using a different approach ... both deserve either being ignored or appreciated (upvoted) ... downvoting only hurts @Serg ... and that's not what you want - right ? :)
 
@Pandya excellent
 
Thanks
 
@Oli great, but I am the one who is asked to change my mind. What you practically say is: "agree with me, or I am leaving the discussion." After a day, I am pretty sure mine would have used less resources. It is about nothing though, but still used as an important argument in the answer, hence my objection.
 
2:19 PM
@IanC Hello Ian - good afternoon ! :)
 
@Oli Hi!
Btw, do you know in my journey of AU, answers to my First & Last questions were from @Oli !!
 
@JacobVlijm Please Jacob, I never asked you to change your mind ... I only asked you to please remove the downvote from the answer of @Serg because the whole thing is not worth upsetting a friend ! :)
 
Oli
Whatever Jacob. We're going in circles. I think that's a pathetic reason to justify a downvote but again, whatever. They're your votes to hand out. Enjoy your karma.
 
@Oli Is your system back in good shape after the crash you experienced yesterday ? :) Good afternoon Oli ! :)
 
@Oli whatever, why are you making a big fuzz about a single downvote (a rarely do) but no word about a claim that is -to put it mildly- dubious. I would have removed it instantly if he worded it differently.
 
Oli
2:27 PM
@cl-netbox It's in roughly the same shape. It just needed a quick fsck but it's just as old and error-prone as it was.
 
@cl-netbox good afternoon man, how are you?
 
@Oli :)
 
What is the great debate today?
 
@IanC Quite okay ... wrote a few new answers, not many though ! :)
 
2:30 PM
@JourneymanGeek I just read that there is a real life bacon shortage in the US. Pork producers are not able to keep up with the demand o.O
 
@IanC What about yourself ? Everything okay ? Something new ? :)
 
@cl-netbox all good, just a bit tired, just got back from surfing
went straight from work
 
@Pandya congratulations :D
 
@Zanna From me as well ... Congrats @Pandya ! :) Good afternoon Zanna ! :) Everything good ? :)
 
everything OK here, just trying to answer some questions and make some tag wikis and hand out some votes and write some meta posts on the Vegetarianism beta site
 
2:40 PM
Hey @JacobVlijm ... to bring back a smile into your face : Did you see my latest answers (guess not) ... some are really good and one of them (the latest) even provides some "great command-line magic" ... you might want to check them out ... not asking for a downvote though (joke) ... hahaha :)
 
@ByteCommander 6 stars on you message about your 666th answer
 
hahaha
@IanC you bring the best pics
 
@Zanna maybe I just waste too much time looking for them hahaha
 
@Zanna Nice to hear that everything is okay for you ... I tried to help on some topics, but not with answers, but rather with comments because the questions are off-topic ... later I deleted some comments after the problems were solved to remove clutter from the page ... for my latest answers I unfortunately didn't get many upvotes ... :)
@IanC Now @ByteCommander is the "beast of all beasts" ! :D
 
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