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Q: Don't kick me out of my editor when somebody else edited the post

Byte CommanderSince a few days or weeks ago, when I am editing a post and somebody else submits an edit (directly, no review needed), I see a banner above my editor: There has been an edit made to this post. Click to load (it's probably not literally that, forgive me not remembering the text correctly) ...

@Anwar You just kicked me out of my editor several times.
 
11:41 AM
^ Happened to me twice on the same post yesterday, and neither of the editors completely fixed the post.
 
Hello, can i ask short question in here?
 
Don't ask to ask, ask! ;-)
 
@ByteCommander +1 but I suggested a small edit ;)
 
Is curly brace expansion for multiple patterns in Bash a newish feature? askubuntu.com/questions/831520/…
 
I can't see it...
42 secs ago, by Byte Commander
I can't see it...
(the edit)
 
11:46 AM
WARNING: Infinite loop detected!
 
@Sinoosh Sure, as long as it is a quickie and would not be better on the main site.
 
@ByteCommander Lol bad connection
 
I can't see the edit either!
 
:)) Thanks,commands can accept inputs only in two ways .1-stdin (or redirect from a file)2-arguments
 
It's pending because I dont have any rep on MSE
 
11:47 AM
is it true?
 
@Arronical I think so, but not that new.
 
@Zanna are you sure it is pending? i think if it were pending, everyone would know
 
No, arguments and stdin are completely different things. Both are ways to give the command information, but each command has its own way to handle each. They are normally not interchangeable. @Sinoosh
stdin is like keyboard input once the process is running.
But arguments get passed to the command directly while it starts.
 
@Sinoosh Also options. Like command -f file.
And then the command deals with opening the file itself.
 
@edwinksl slowness? I see I missed one thing though...
 
11:50 AM
Normally arguments are used for setting options on and off or passing static information or filenames, while stdin is used to receive data (often only if no file is specified via arguments)
@Zanna Now I see it :)
 
@Zanna ah ok i see the pending edit now
 
@Sinoosh it's important to understand how arguments are expected by a command. If you want a command to work on a list of files piped to it as arguments, the filenames must be split into arguments, not just one long string which includes spaces.
That's where xargs comes in.
 
@Zanna Improved your edit, you missed one he-->they and you forgot to remove the -s ("they clicks").
But thanks :)
Okay, going for a walk. BBL.
 
@ByteCommander yeah I saw I missed one, thanks for that
On mobile
Now my MSE rep is equal to my SO rep...
 
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Q: Links in HTTPS site are always HTTP

OxwiviAll links in the HTTPS Ask Ubuntu, except for the navbar, are HTTP. Even if I specifically open https://askubuntu.com, navigating anywhere returns me to HTTP. Neither do I want it, nor it is an expected behavior for HTTPS site. And since it's supported why is HTTP even active anyway? Everything s...

 
11:58 AM
me too
MSE rep = SO rep
 
thanks,your means are when a command can accept stdin ,it use only work with those raw data without any recognition are they filename or not
 
@Sinoosh Kind of. The basic thing you need to understand is that commands like ls don't return files. They return a simple stream of text. That text happens to be the names of files, but a "file" is a specific object for the file system. While you, a human, can understand that foo.txt is actually a file when reading the output of ls, the computer has no way of doing that. All the computer sees is the characters f,o,o,.,t,x,t
@Sinoosh have a look at the answers here:
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Q: Why doesn't the command "ls | file" work?

IanCI've been studying about the command line and learned that | (pipeline) is meant to redirect the output from a command to the input of another one. So why does the command ls | file doesn't work? file input is one of more filenames, like file filename1 filename2 ls output is a list of directori...

 
@jokerdino that's a pretty cool coincidence since you actually have a lot - I have 103 on each haha
 
@terdon wow i got it, i should say thank you to everybody answers our questions, i live in a country and have a strange situation.only i can self study and use this website for learning.
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You're very welcome :)
 
12:25 PM
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12:35 PM
Am I wrong about this? askubuntu.com/questions/831549/… It is a bug but OP wants a work around, not a fix. I am sure these still get closed though, right?
 
@MarkKirby Personally, I would leave it open. The OP has already reported the bug, there's no benefit in closing it and directing them to launchpad, they've been there. If the community does end up closing it, please let me know and I'll pass it over to U&L.
 
@terdon OK I will remove the vote for now and keep an eye on this.
 
@MarkKirby Note that this is just my personal take though. I find we're a bit too excessive with the whole "close bugs" things. You might want to ask another mod as well.
@jokerdino, you around?
 
@terdon That is why I am asking, it seems a bit mean to just dismiss this user, I feel I was to quick to VTC it.
 
Yes, I would agree with you. I'm just not 100% sure that I represent the community's position in this case.
 
12:43 PM
I know we don't fix bugs but to me it seems quite resalable to ask for a work around while the bug is fixed, I might ask what people think about it in meta later.
 
Personally, I strongly agree that if there is a workaround, it should be here
@MarkKirby think there's already a few meta Qs and folks are somewhat divided
 
I've always been against this AU rule. It's never made sense to me at all.
 
Oli's stance is: if a bug can be answered post an answer.
 
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Q: Should a question asking for a workaround for a problem in an in-development version be closed as off-topic?

Paranoid PandaI recently came across this question How to workaround "update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!"? and at a first glance I assumed it was off-topic because it would serve better as a bug report on Launchpad, however when I read it through more properly I found that the person...

 
I get why it is important to report the bugs but I also think it would be good for us to have fixes (even if it is just dist-upgrade) or work arounds in the meantime.
 
12:45 PM
Any Ubuntu is unusable on my device without bug workarounds...
 
I never seem to encounter bugs :-P
Except when I use a beta D:
this weekend it is 16.10 install day :=D
 
@MarkKirby Exactly. It seems completely inane to close questions just because it happens to be a bug.
 
I am lucky too, Ubuntu runs almost perfect OoTB on my PC. @terdon If enough of us vote for that question, will it make a difference? What does it take to change a policy?
 
@MarkKirby if I see a bug on AU and find a bug report I will post the bug number as a comment and if there is a fix/workaround/something in the bug report that can help Ill post that as an answer. But we can't answer bugs that have not been fixed ... those should be closed.
 
@Rinzwind How about asking for a work around like here askubuntu.com/questions/831549/… It just seem a bit harsh to just dismiss them.
 
12:54 PM
@terdon depends. if there is no fix (yet) for that bug are we suppose to hack into the system to reproduce the bug and then try to find a fix? That would make us do the same thing as the bugtracker peepz do. Yes if there is a fix we can post is as an answer. If there is none ... I doubt we can answer it
@MarkKirby IF there is an answer for it I would post an answer. If there is not we can't answer it.
Getting an upvote checkmark trumps closing ;-)
But if we can't get the upvote checkmark ... closing trumps the question.
 
@Rinzwind Then we can leave it unanswered. But what if we can fix it? Or at least provide a workaround? I just don't see any benefit in blindly closing bugs.
@MarkKirby Yes, it should. Policy changes if there's a clear consensus on meta.
 
@Rinzwind Fair enough but IDK if some one will have an answer in the future or not, I myself don't have one.
 
me neither D:
having questions remain unanswered is also not good :P
 
True, this is the very issue :)
I do think we should still have the close reason for question that show no effort but perhaps just not enforce it to vigorously.
on the good questions.
 
If it was my error....
I'd search google for the binairy, and the lib. It might reveal it is obsolete. Or installing `libkdeinit5_ksystraycmd` might fix it.
 
1:00 PM
I think it's too subjective... what constitutes research effort depends on a lot of things...
 
ALL the similar errors I found are related to a wrong menu entry
 
@Rinzwind Good find, I added a link in comments for OP.
 
made another comment
3 related notices ALL also mention kmenuedit
 
@terdon yeah
 
Hopefully that will give them a solution :) I feel strangely responsible to do things the right way now I am 10k
 
1:10 PM
@jokerdino I just wanted your take on Mark's question:
34 mins ago, by Mark Kirby
Am I wrong about this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/831549/bug-359861-kdeinit-could-not-launch-ksystr‌​aycmd?noredirect=1#comment1267430_831549 It is a bug but OP wants a work around, not a fix. I am sure these still get closed though, right?
 
You know, there is some confusion about the bug reports thing getting closed in the site. From what I understand, people were at some point of time asking "questions" which they know were bugs. They wanted to use AU as a bug tracker of sorts.
 
It might be time to revisit this then. That's before my time.
 
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Q: How can we refocus on being a Q+A, not a support forum or bug tracker?

Jorge CastroAfter doing some investigation on issues brought up doing these questions I've found something that I'm embarrassed that we have let get out of control, see these questions for some background. What are Ask Ubuntu's current problems, if any, as of early 2012? Do we need a linked report to close...

 
Using AU to report bugs is bad. Using it to ask for help on getting around bugs, is fine IMO
 
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A: What to do with questions that describe bugs?

Marco CeppiSo far the general method has been to comment on the question informing everyone this is a known bug then close the question as off-topic if you know the bug report that the person is asking about. This site isn't designed to handle bugs - Launchpad, or the respective software's bug tracker is, ...

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Q: Are bugs necessarily off-topic?

Scott SeveranceJorge Castro recently commented on one of my questions that it should be filed as a bug instead. And I've seen here that the general view is that questions about bugs should be considered off-topic here and handled on Launchpad instead. My question is whether that stance should be modified somew...

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Q: How do I know it's a bug before I ask for advice?

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Q: When is a bug a bug?

TakkatInspired by this question Would creating a Q&A question to cover specific 14.04 sound issues be okay here? we may want to better define which bug reports merit being a close reason for a question as off topic. We should not close questions as bug report only because a similar report exists on...

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Q: Posting a workaround for a bug?

DaimyoKirbyBackground: Just recently my Ubuntu Software Center stopped working, and after a considerable amount of searching, I found the answer here. I thought that this is very good knowledge, so I'm considering posting it here Q&A, except that I know that this site has a strict policy about bug-related p...

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Q: Are bug reports suitable for this site?

Nathan OsmanRecently there was a bug report posted as a question here. I was hoping the community could discuss whether this should be done or not.

 
1:16 PM
@jokerdino Yes, that, what Oli says there.
 
@jokerdino Hmmm That was a hotly debated topic back than, explains why the policy is enforced the way it is. The the site and community is a lot more mature though now, I think, perhaps it is time to open debate on how hard we should enforce this.
 
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Q: Please Remove "Bug Report" Close

user207039According to Ability to close a question as a bug report, its speculated that closing as a bug better serves the community's users. I'm finding the exact opposite in practice. That is, the bug reporting and triaging sucks for getting help, and the best help is provided the Ask Ubuntu community. ...

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A: How do you tell when a question is a bug?

Marco CeppiIt has an answer and the answer points to a user configuration problem. This is likely not a bug. How to tell if it's a bug in the future? If comments suggest it's a duplicate of a Launchpad bug, if the expected default behavior isn't working (and it's likely not a configuration issue), or it jus...

OK, that should be most of the discussions that will be relevant when bringing it up again.
 
@jokerdino Thanks, it will take me all day to read that lot :)
 
got an upvote from me meta.askubuntu.com/a/8829/61218
 
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Q: Please try to read bug reports before voting to close something as a bug

OliI just found this in the review queue: Does it matter that wlan0 has changed its name to eth1 after I upgraded to 12.04? It has a couple of votes to close as off-topic, I assume because somebody posted a link to this bug report and they thought: I can see the word Launchpad on the page! It ...

Oh dear, looks like we simply have too many discussions about bugs on meta.
 
1:27 PM
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Q: filtering data based on delimiter in shell

KasinoI have a file with data as follows: "google1|yoo|dummy|yes|wow|/" + VARIABLE + "/" "google2|hub|lab|dummy|yes|/" + VARIABLE + "/" "google3|short|lab|yoo|/" + VARIABLE + "/" "google4|hello|good-guy|bad-girl|lol|dummy|/" + VARIABLE + "/" "google5|good-guy|a4-123|yoo|/" + VARIABLE + "/" "google6|ba...

 
@jokerdino yeah. . .
> Well over 90% of all our questions here are in some way related to a bug of some sort. A design flaw, missing drivers, PEBCAK-through-poor-design-or-documentation. If we followed this and closed everything that fell into the gaping chasm of suspected bugs, we'd have twelve questions left and half as many users.
That ^^
 
> I'm all for closing flat-out bugs as bugs ...
 
Wooohhooooo!
I finally found a legal free version of VolBeat - Battleship Chains \o/
 
@jokerdino Sure. No argument there. We've just gone a bit too far in the other direction IMO.
 
\m/ (^_^) \m/
 
1:38 PM
Hmm reading all that was really helpful...
thank you @jokerdino for curating
 
Thank the internet for Deezer.com :D
 
1:54 PM
Here is a case of a "bug" left open in the wild to help thousands of people - askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue
I be back later.
 
And not a single downvote :)
 
2:10 PM
Huh? askubuntu.com/questions/831574/… (about UEFI secure boot and nvidia drivers)
The only place where Secure Boot can be en- and disabled is the UEFI setup menu, right?
 
what do you mean by UEFI setup menu?
because I still call the place where I disable mine "BIOS"
 
@Zanna Yeah, if you want to be technically correct, you can't call it BIOS anymore. EFI is BIOS's successor.
 
hi all :D
 
@terdon Indeed
hi @SeverusTux
 
Close this as dupe of the Q the OP posted in comment/answer: askubuntu.com/q/831574/367990
I can't vote, I've retracted my OT CV before.
 
2:32 PM
done
 
Thanks.
Nice vi answer btw.
But it just confirms me again in pronouncing "vi" like "WHY!?"
 
I hate how you can't vote after retracting or if the Q was reopened or if your vote aged away
@ByteCommander lol
thanks, nothing to it...
 
Yeah, but I see the abuse potential if it was allowed.
 
true, yes.
@ByteCommander it's surprising they worked out how to quit before they figured out how to display the filename ^.^
 
Hello :)
 
2:39 PM
Hi there.
 
@ByteCommander Ignore him! he's a fake boxy
 
Rinzy!
 
his icon is all wrong :=)
 
Bytey!
I've been here the whole day and now he notices me :(
 
2:40 PM
@Rinzwind fake ??? are you crazy ? Hi Rinzy ! :)
@ByteCommander Good afternoon ! :)
 
@Rinzwind You were just lurking :)
 
@ByteCommander nope/
 
You only said something before I logged in and while I was away.
 
@Rinzwind I can't vote, I VTC yesterday as unclear and then voted to reopen this morning because the info was added
 
your mistake :P
@Zanna always look for the dupe 1st >:)
and 1st line was for @ByteCommander >:)
 
2:44 PM
:P
I VTCed yesterday as well, can't do it again.
 
sigh.
 
@Rinzwind Might I ask you a Doctor Who question?
 
Who?
 
I've been watching "The time of the Doctor" last Wednesday.
 
good episode :=)
 
2:46 PM
Indeed, but I did not really understand the role of the Silence there.
 
@Rinzwind thanks, I will take that tip, I am rubbish at finding dupes and need practice... I think it was unclear because we didn't know their hardware, so hard to dupe accurately
 
@Zanna I told you how I do it :=D
 
Those creatures you immediately forget after seeing them.
 
yeah them assholes :=D
 
In earlier episodes, they were the Doctor's enemies.
 
2:47 PM
here it is dailymotion.com/video/… (60 minutes)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: How do I resize an ext4 partition beyond the 16TB limit? by guest on askubuntu.com
 
But in that episode, they get declared as preachers of the church of the papal super computer.
and not evil.
 
@Rinzwind grateful for all your teachings ^_^
 
So what are they now?
And please forgive me if I translate some names incorrectly, I'm watching the German dubs... :)
 
2:49 PM
@Rinzwind No, they've been there with Amy Pond already.
 
wait wrogn
 
The episodes with that austronaut.
 
no that episode we got to get to know their origins
@ByteCommander time travel is messy though >:)
 
ha from the link from @MarkKirby
"... During the hundreds of years of stalemate above the planet Trenzalore, where the Doctor refused to give his name lest he unleash the full horrors of a renewed Time War on the universe, the Papal Mainframe became known as the Church of the Silence, making the Doctor's continued silence its primary mission."
so... that's when they became enemies probably? :P
 
2:52 PM
So they were friendly until the church of the Papal Mainframe converted into the church of silence, ordering the Silence aliens to shut the Doctor, travelling back to his past?
 
and
"Their first attempt to stop the Doctor's arrival there is revealed to be the destruction of his TARDIS in Series 5. Ironically, this action leads to the appearance of the cracks in the universe which brought the Church to Trenzalore in the first place. When the stalemate ends and Trenzalore is plunged into battle, the remaining Silence (who are loyal to the Papal Mainframe) fight alongside the Doctor to protect the planet's inhabitants from invading Daleks."
 
Aha.
Why didn't the weeping angels from the forest of Trenzalore attack the Christmas town while the Doctor was there btw?
Any explanation on that?
 
eh
hey I aint an expert on weeping angels
they scared the shit out of me in Blink
 
:D
What season is Blink from?
 
ehm
 
2:57 PM
It's with the 10th Doctor, right?
 
Fear of the Darleks, every other race is scared of them
 
"Blink" is the tenth episode of the third series
@MarkKirby I bet both the angels and the silence would beat the crap out of any dalek :P
 
both seem to have a winning edge
 
2:58 PM
Actually these Daleks seem pretty weak and immobile on first sight.
 
BOO!
 
At an unknown point in time, the Weeping Angels travelled to Trenzalore along with many other races in response to a mysterious message broadcast through time and space. Unlike the other species, they managed to make it onto the planet, where they were discovered by the Eleventh Doctor and Clara Oswald. The Weeping Angels surrounded them, but the Doctor summoned the TARDIS to them and they escaped.
 
spooped
 
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During the later Siege of Trenzalore, a Weeping Angel tried to invade the town but was trapped by the Doctor using a mirror on which he wrote "with love from the Doctor!". The remaining Angels eventually retreated, as with all the invaders except the Daleks. (TV: The Time of the Doctor)
 
2:59 PM
You can freeze an angel with a mirror?
I assumed they should be immune to their own watching...
 
they froze a group in blink around the tardis that disappeared
 
An image of an angle becomes an angel, from the blink episode where Amy gets it in her eye.
 
so I'd say: no when they see an angel they cant move
 
thing is
I remember blink at the beginning where angels where following eachother :P
ok
it is time for
operation duststorm :)
@ByteCommander do you have BBC Entertainment on your cable tv?
 
3:02 PM
I don't think so...
Let me check.
 
They've been doing 2 episodes twice a week
 
ONE is broadcasting an episode every Wednesday at 20:15
 
where the 4th one is a new episode.
 
I'm curious how the 12th Doctor is.
 
1? BBC 1? Not where I live :-X
@ByteCommander ?
 
3:03 PM
No, the German ONE.
 
oh
 
It was formerly called EinsFestival and belongs to ARD.
 
Capaldi was seriously annoying in the beginning.
 
and that was not getting used to him.
 
3:08 PM
Capaldi really grew on me by the end, I look forward to the Christmas special now, Matt Smith was unbeatable though IMO. He is funny but it is a big contrast to the 11th doctor.
I think when he gets his own companion next year he will hit his stride.
 
I've only seen all Matt Smith episodes by now.
He's my first and only Doctor so far.
Except the episode where he met Doctor number 10 and zero.
How was it called? The one about "Gallifrey falls no more".
 
You should go back and watch it from 2005 because the later story reference the early episodes alot. @ByteCommander The time of the Doctor I think
Doctor 10 was really good, 11 took his character and ran with it. 9 was good to but only has one seson.
 
They started with the 11th Doctor on my TV station, that's why I haven't watched earlier episodes.
And I don't really know where to get them for free...
 
@ByteCommander This is the best (legally dubious) TV site watchtvseries.se/search/doctor%20who it has almost everything.
Being in the UK, I watch a lot of American shows we just don't get here.
 
bookmarked.
might look into it later.
Thanks.
 
3:32 PM
@Zanna mass linking all related questions in the chat is not curating :)
 
3:43 PM
@jokerdino in any case, it helped a lot, I feel like I understand why folks feel it's important to have this close reason and the points of contention around it to some degree
 
3:55 PM
Even if it's not a very soluble problem :S
 
Just need a strong solvent.
 
Most problems are soluble in alcohol.
4
 
Nail polish remover is pretty good...
 
@Zanna will it fix my headaches
 
No
 
4:04 PM
darn
 
Try drinking water or taking a nap
 
that doesn't work for me
 
Bbl
 
4:47 PM
@Rinzwind you're still 33k behind Oli
 
And you're 128k behind Rinzwind...
 
5:02 PM
good afternoon!
 
hello
 
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Hi @IanC how are you?
 
all good, just a bit tired, sleeping late and waking up early
what about you?
 
No hello to you anymore, good sir.
 
5:08 PM
All very good here thanks, feeling happy
 
I'm sorry @jokerdino, I just noticed the ping, a bit distracted here.. How're you doing man?
@Zanna that's good! Something special going on or just on a good vibe? :)
 
@IanC I am fine, thank you for asking.
 
Vibes are good :) & going to see my folks this weekend too
 
@ByteCommander @Rinzwind actually wants to catch up to Oli. I don't have a chance so I don't care
@jokerdino So you're English now?
 
@Zanna nice, do they live a bit far from London?
 
5:19 PM
@Zacharee1 I get closer 6k per year
 
@Zacharee1 No I am not!
 
@IanC 3 hours with all faffing around included
 
@Rinzwind so 5.5-ish years?
 
@Zacharee1 you should try catching up to rinzwind
 
Try catching up with Jon Skeet...
 
5:27 PM
Did I just see someone parsing html with regex @ByteCommander ? ;)
 
Phh...
I did just parse the data, not the HTML.
 
@ByteCommander yeah just kidding, I upvoted
 
Thanks :)
Meh, still only 35 points today so far.
My rep mining answers of the past days have worn out.
Yikes, total review counter is on 200 again!
 
5:48 PM
:/ spend the whole morning on trying to figure out how to add switches and radio buttons, only to come to conclusion that it's not possible
i mean, in indicators
There has to be a way, since they do it in Bluetooth indicator, but it's written in vala, and i don't know vala
 
Why exactly are people reviewing this LQ item and voting to delete? Looks okay to me: askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/623989
 
@Zacharee1 damn that 200 rep limit!
 

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