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7:12 PM
man, frontier physics is crazy, I wish I could understand it better
 
I wish it was easier to find really good pop science books that explain it well
 
but the few things I get to understand (or sort of understand) are such a snap at reality, almost metaphysical, and a bit weird to think so many people are walking around and have no clue as to how some things really work
@Zanna I think I got a bit more curious about it after watching Interstellar (personally one of the best movies I've ever seem, and I liked it even more when I read that most of it is based on real physics theories)
 
I have very mixed feelings about that film, but I love the robots!
and the physics
 
and the soundtrack! It's a masterpiece, I really like Hanz Zimmer :)
 
even vaguely correct physics in movies is gratifying to me, like in the recentish Star Trek movie that had a huge explosion is space with no sound, I sat back with a happy sigh hahaha
 
7:16 PM
hahaha, it's the small things! :D
I didn't watch the new star trek yet
 
@IanC hey there, how's your C adventures ?
 
@Serg a bit lost, after the book went offline I'm not sure what is the next thing I should study
 
@IanC consider python
obviously this suggestion is biased :p
 
I mean the next thing on C, I have the feeling I'm still missing something. There were a few sockets chapters on the book, and not sure what else haha
But python sounds like something I should learn to
 
AAAAaaaaaand I got the Gtk-CRITICAL error back. Freakin GTK
 
7:23 PM
@Zanna there are no sufficiently accurate pop science books
most of them do more harm than good imo
most crackpots base their "theories" on extrapolating pop science books in an utterly wrong direction
 
oh there are some really wonderful ones imho, I love The Black Hole War by Leonard Susskind
 
oh susskind
 
I hate crackpot theories and I hate pop sci books with no graphs and no equations
 
now i haven't checked out his book
 
I recommend it 100%
 
7:25 PM
but math is the currency of physics, anything else is going to be unsatisfactory for true learning
most crackpot "theories" are pictorial, which always make me lmfao
 
Another really good one is the Two Mile Time Machine, I forget the author...
Richard B Alley
it's about examining Greenland Ice Cores to study long range climate history
It's refreshingly cautious and fascinating
 
i am too lazy to read pop sci books
i rather dive into the real science if i can find the time
 
Someone gifted me a book about, what's it called? Climate engineering... stuff like dumping iron in the ocean or deliberately polluting the air to reduce global warming... the most evil bunch of junk I can imagine. I didn't even open the book, and I couldn't give it away, I dropped it in the recycle bin
I can't read scientific papers, I am bored by the 7th footnote.
 
well i would never recommend reading papers if one has zero prior relevant experience
 
:)
 
7:38 PM
given how vast majority of humans are bad at doing science, it is surprising we even got this far
 
@edwinksl you were talking about how math is the currency of physics, but I don't know if that's just my impression, aren't the frontier physics theories mostly backgrounded by speculation over qualitative data and not quantitative?
 
I dunno, I think people are good at science if it's presented to them right, so that they can care about it
 
like, it always sound to me as theories trying to fit what we used to think about the universe to what we are finding out it behaves as
 
@IanC my impression is that frontier physics is about finding vaguely plausible explanations for elegant equations ;)
 
yeah, it's mostly an impression I have though, since I don't have much background :p
 
7:52 PM
sigh . . . . i don't understand how did i introduce that damn gtk error again into my code
 
@Zanna @edwinksl en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology - That's the theory that I was reading on how could gravity travel past other dimensions. It claims other forces are constrained to our spacetime, while gravity is not, explaining why it's a weaker force (since it leaks to other dimensions)
 
i don't understand what it is really saying
 
I think this is excerpted from some book I read... that subheading looks so familiar
I think it's too condensed to make sense, kind of lacking loads of context
what is leaking, exactly?
 
Found the issue: I was re-creating object each time. Silly though . . .
 
Hi
 
7:59 PM
@Zanna @edwinksl Don't take all I'm saying as true, it's just what I understood. But most particles that carries forces (electromagnetic, light, mass) have been found, except for a particle that carries gravity (they would name it gravitron). Gravity compared to other forces, at least on macroscopic scales, is weaker. So this theory claims gravitrons are not constrained to our dimensions (3 spatial + time), but could travel to other dimensions explaining why we couldn't find gravitrons yet
and why gravity is weaker than other forces
 
we have known for decades gravity remains a problem in our goal to find a grand unified theory
there are multiple candidates to do that
i don't think we are any closer to figuring it out
 
All the current theories feel like epicycles to me
 
Is there a room dedicated to Qans A
 
it might not make much sense if you haven't seem the 10 (or 10+1) dimensions theory, which is really speculative (in my opinion) but interesting
yeah @edwinksl, it's a theory amongst tons of ones!
 
"Even though there are only five superstring theories, making detailed predictions for real experiments requires information about exactly what physical configuration the theory is in. This considerably complicates efforts to test string theory because there is an astronomically high number – 10500 or more – of configurations that meet some of the basic requirements to be consistent with our world."
that is 10^500
not 10500 :P
@Jodamo117 you can ask here
 
8:05 PM
@edwinks thank you
 
hello :3
 
List of things to-do today:
1) Wonder about the universe [OK]
now I gotta get ready for work :p
 
I have not been able to run any Linux based OS's from my current desktop. I can only VM them.
 
\m/ (^_^) my indicator got a few cool new features. I think people will be happy with the changes
 
I took it to a tech store and they said the hardware didnt like it
 
8:17 PM
@Serg I checked out the article on the star wall, saw the little video demo for the first time, now I really get it! Totally awesome
 
the asus support tech said the pc was made for win 7-10
i asked if there was a way arround that and he said yes but he's not at liberty to say
 
smh
what happens when you try to install?
 
it installs but it crashes . kinda like a graphics crash
 
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Q: The dupe- message is confusing, please change it

Jacob VlijmIf a question: is an exact duplicate of an existing question, even confirmed by OP is also meant in the same way ...it seems pretty clear that the question should be marked as a dupe. Additional (alternative) answers should be posted on the original question. If OP does not like the existing ...

 
@Zanna You can sure get it, but it's only for Unity :) Maybe eventually I'll come up with something for Mate as well
 
8:23 PM
I mean get as in understand
On MATE you would have to make a whole launcher panel hehe
@Jodamo117 it installs, and then you reboot, and it boots, and then it crashes?
 
sigh . . . Jacob is sore again, because he couldn't draw votes to his answer
 
@Zanna yes.
 
I saw that discussion earlier & upvoted your lovely answer
how does it crash? it freezes?
I'm feeling a meta answer coming on about dupes... but that's not the question for it... and I want to get it right...
 
yes, and then i hit cntrl alt del and that box just flashes in and out
 
oh not total freeze then... how long does it take for that to happen?
 
8:29 PM
once it gets to the Ubuntu start screen. if i go to tty it produces a PCIe bus error
 
Remember the Linux birthday tweet image I posted?
The replies are just as great
 
no @Zacharee1 please link I missed it
 
Happy 25th birthday, #Linux! Here's your f-ing #cake, go ahead and compile it yourself. https://t.co/OCQUDPhlXY
@Zanna starwall
Anyway though, that's the actual link
 
@Jodamo117 did you try searching for your hardware on Ubuntu Forums?
@Zacharee1 sorry for my laziness
 
@Zanna yes. there was alot about ASUS lap tops but not my particular desktop. ASUS tech said My machine is made for win7-10
 
8:34 PM
yeah but they would say that, everything is "made for windows"
 
i don't want anything from microsoft anymore. I got rid of there xbox, email and i hoped there OS
 
ditto
 
Wait no
 
I'm just hoping that theres some way around this thing short of getting rid of my brand new pc
 
what's the machine? is is really new?
 
8:37 PM
Sometimes I like Jacob , but sometimes he pisses me off.
 
ASUS G11cd. I got it a month ago but its been out for a year
i5-6400
 
@Serg did you see my comment (can't link it because mobile's being stupid)
 
yes i saw
 
@Jodamo117 what exactly doesn't work?
 
@Zacharee1 any Linux distrro
I can VM tho
 
8:42 PM
@Serg Now Serg, you really cross a line here. This will do some damage.
 
@Jodamo117 that's not exact at all :p
What doesn't work? Where does it fail?
@Zanna what's your opinion on the dupe stuff, if you don't mind?
 
It fails at start up. I have a couple of error messages. One sec and I'll try to retrievce
 
@JacobVlijm sorry, but that's what appears to be the case here. Your suggestion to edit dupe messages for all questions because of that one post does more damage to AskUbuntu.
 
I don't mind @Zacharee1 :) but I need to work it out in my mind, now is not the moment for me
 
@Serg You obviously didn't read the post thouroughly.
 
8:45 PM
@Zacharee1 and @Zanna here's one error. from tty PCIe Bus Error: severity=Uncorrected (Non-Fatal), type=Transaction Layer, id=00e6(Completer ID)
 
@JacobVlijm the specific post doesn't matter, is what @Serg is trying to say. Your question makes it seem like you want to change everything.
@Jodamo117 non fatal it says.
Is there another?
 
I'll find the other
 
@Zacharee1 Obviously you miss the fact that the text is the subject, which is misleading.
 
@JacobVlijm As for "couldn't draw votes to his answer" it's totally OK , and understandable. I get that, really. If you're upset about that, sorry. That just seemed to me to be underlying reason. I apologize
@JacobVlijm there have also been posts on meta.stackexchange.com about this before, so i will link them in a minute or two.
 
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Q: core dumps for out of memory in linux

SasikiranHow to create memory dumps for out of memory. If system is out of memory then oom-killer kills the process which occupies highest memory by some calculations. How can we get core dump of the process killed

 
8:48 PM
here is one `lvmetad not active
cannot process volume group "umbuntu-vg"
unlock disk sda5_crypt**`
 
how are you installing? what options did you choose?
 
this too compiz-crash-with-SIGILL
 
@Serg I don't think it is a very bad behavior until he doesn't do this annoying. The SE model actually likes the active investigations around a question.
 
I've installed by usb and also by dvd
I've tried the easy option. I mean the auto partitions
I pick get updates and the other one on that screen too
 
@peterh it is not bad behavior, I totally understand that. Everybody wants more attention to their posts. But to change the way duplicates work just because of that - no ,sorry, this only puts other users in disadvantage.
 
8:53 PM
I've replaced windows all together and I've tried dual boot also
 
auto partitions but did you choose LVM? Encrypt?
 
@JacobVlijm And I'm sorry you took that comment too close to heart. You do have my respect and I support your answers a lot.
 
I did an encrypt the first time I tried to install when I whiped win10
 
but not subsequently?
haha goodbye win10 ^_^
 
Too be honest, I am really new to this. I just wanted freedom from Microsoft and Apple. I don't even know what compiz-crash-with-SIGILL means :(
 
8:58 PM
SIGKILL. Signal #9. Killed. Means the process got killed by the kernel (forcibly) with no chance for the process to say, "No-no-no-no, wait! I want to live!"
 
compiz is just a window manager... sigkill means a process got forcefully killed by the kernel
 
@allquicatic lol
 
@Serg If he asks essentially the same question multiple times, they can be closed from the second. But, if he asks essentially different questions around the same topic, I think it is a positive thing and not negative.
 
IIRC the command stream verifier in the open source graphics stack will issue SIGKILL to a process using OpenGL that submits an invalid command stream to the driver
better than a kernel panic I suppose
 
@Jodamo117 You get the freedom, this compiz-crash-with-SIGILL means that the 3d accelerating window manager crashes on some reason, and the most probable reason is that the 3d driver is buggy :-(
@allquicatic Not SIGKILL, but SIGILL. Signal on "illegal instruction", i.e. the code segment of the compiz is harmed...
 
9:02 PM
@peterh any suggestions on where I should go to find a work around
 
@peterh OH... I thought it was a typo! lol
I knew SIGILL in the back of my mind but haven't seen that except when trying to run invalid code :P
actually, compiz -> libgl (Mesa) -> llvm -> codegen stuff... could result in an illegal instruction as part of LLVM JIT compiling instructions at runtime
especially if using a driver that is implemented via Gallium
 
@Jodamo117 1) Try to update your 3d driver 2) Try to disable 3d accelerating functions of your window manager 3) Try to switch to another driver (in many cases, there are a binaryonly driver from the nvidia/ati having hardcore hw acceleration, and an opensource one, having fewer 3d accel, but being opensource) 4) You can buy a not so evil hw from a different amnufacturer
@Jodamo117 5) you can switch to a window manager not using any 3d accel 6) you can check for hw problems, for example memtest or trying some massive 3d using app to check if it dies even with that.
 
7) you can use a (3d/compositing) window manager that isn't using compiz, maybe its code path won't hit the bug you are experiencing, even keeping the same graphics driver
what still uses compiz? Unity?
 
@allquicatic libgl is compiled by llvm in ubuntu? Wow.
 
@peterh not sure it's compiled using llvm (clang); it's probably compiled using gcc, but under the hood Gallium3d uses libLLVM at runtime to generate code... though, now that I think about it, I don't recall if it exclusively uses LLVM to generate code for the GPU, or if it also generates CPU-side code using LLVM.
looks like his computer comes with some nvidia GPU; I guess it depends on whether he's using the iGPU or dGPU for the desktop which driver is being activated
 
9:11 PM
Thank you all. Looks like a bit of work ahead of me. I'll get started. Was there a command in terminal I needed to enter to check
 
@allquicatic What??? Using llvm to compile firmware code for the GPU?
@allquicatic Yeah, cpu-side code! So it is understable, and still wonderful!
 
@peterh not firmware code; just native instructions to emit to the GPU in the GPU's own native instruction language
@Jodamo117 what do you have your monitor plugged into: your Nvidia card or your motherboard?
 
TV HDMI to ... NVIDIA I assume
I'm really not on your level, sorry.
 
@allquicatic So is it still wonderful! Now consider, doing some similar with java!
@allquicatic Can llvm compile java classes (or even java source) to native code?
 
9:15 PM
@peterh there are several efforts (IIRC) going on to attempt to do something like that, yes... it would be pretty funny to run Java on the GPU ;-)
 
@allquicatic I had always an idea to recompile java classes to an equivalent C code, and then compile this with gcc -Os (-O3)
 
sadly, VMKit, the most hopeful LLVM Java thingy, is "retired"
 
@allquicatic Heheheheheeeee.....
 
@peterh gcj does that, but it's not well-maintained anymore
another effort, mostly untouched for years: github.com/davidar/lljvm
 
@allquicatic I never understood, what happened to the opensource community. It should have stay behind java with its full power, but it didn't happen.
 
9:16 PM
@Jodamo117 you assume? we need to know for sure
@peterh Sun got bought out by Oracle; that's what happened
as they demonstrated by suing Google, the fact that Oracle released Java under an "open source" license doesn't stop them from attempting to cash in whenever someone uses Java stuff -- even OpenJDK stuff -- in other projects
 
@allquicatic And? Even Sun wasn't a very nice boy to the opensource community.
 
@peterh no, the Jonathan Schwartz led Sun of the mid 2000s was basically the ideal commercial open source company; it just took them a very long time to fully commit their mindset to being a good open source citizen
right before they got bought by Oracle they were pretty much there
 
@allquicatic sad :-(
 
Its plugged into an HDMI port a section above where a monitor would plug/screw in
 
watch some YT videos by now CTO of Joyent, Bryan Cantrill, he has an excellent insider's viewpoint as an ex-Sunnite
 
9:19 PM
@allquicatic What happened to the redhat-oracle marriage? As I know, next to the redhat, the IBM and also the Oracle have their nearly-unknown distributions, wtf?
 
@peterh ew , java ? Also If he asks essentially the same question multiple times, they can be closed from the second We're not talking about one OP posting same question. We're talking about a person who comes to the site and sees that their question is being closed. They'll be like " But guys, those posts don't work for me ". And the close voters basically say "Screw you, we close everything as duplicate, even if it didnt work for you"
 
@peterh Red Hat had better not have anything to do with Oracle; I've never heard of them potentially merging and I'm glad they haven't; Oracle is as evil as could be and Red Hat is pretty much non-evil
 
Dangerous command of the day: $(cat .bash_history | shuf | head -n 1)
 
@Jodamo117 Nah, you need to understand the physical layout of your computer :) You have ports that are on your motherboard, and then you have ports that are on your expansion cards --
 
@grooveplex alias russian_rulette='$(cat .bash_history | shuf | head -n 1)'
2
 
9:22 PM
look at that picture of the back panel... the motherboard ports are clustered on the left-hand side in a tight "box" (rectangle), whereas the expansion card ports are in removable slots along the bottom
 
@Serg alias russian_rulette='$(grep 'rm' .bash_history | shuf | head -n 1)'
 
@Serg I wish you'd stop suggesting that it is: And the close voters basically say "Screw you, we close everything as duplicate, even if it didnt work for you" Really. Also only very new users cannot comment etc.
 
if you have the monitor plugged into the motherboard, it'll be using the integrated graphics core on your CPU, which is a tiny fraction of the performance of whatever dedicated GPU you have in the expansion slot along the bottom
 
@Serg Maybe the close voters are closing questions too easily. It is a common problem on other SE sites, too.
 
@allquicatic Im plugged into the bottom
 
9:24 PM
@JacobVlijm have you gotten around to review my script yet??? Take you time, though
 
@allquicatic What happened to them? I've heard they are removed resources from the Java now.
 
@peterh exactly that. Especially on stackoverflow. I liked AU because it's more friendly and people communicate here a bit better, but lately it's just been getting a bit worse - people abuse close vote and downvote too much
 
@peterh who? Oracle? yeah, they probably did lay off a bunch of their Java folks... wouldn't surprise me
@Jodamo117 ok, and are you trying to boot up the latest version of Ubuntu (16.04 64-bit) and having this crashing issue?
 
@grooveplex OOoooh, horrible, I completely forgot! First thing tomorrow!
 
@allquicatic Yes
 
9:26 PM
@JacobVlijm thanks <3
and it's okay
 
ok... well, Ubuntu always tries to start you off with the open source graphics stack, so maybe you can drop to a terminal and install the proprietary nvidia driver, it'll work better
I suppose that issue would be extremely likely to happen if you are using a GTX 1060/1070/1080, because the new cards have quite limited (incomplete) support in nouveau
 
@allquicatic would I do that from Ubuntu? Because It wigs out before I can do anything. though i hadnt tried to hot key terminal when it was doing that yet
Im gtx 960
 
@Jodamo117 of course - you can't do anything to it from Windows... well, you could, but it would be painfully hard
you could also plug your monitor into the motherboard instead and use the Intel iGPU, which might at least temporarily let you into a bug-free desktop long enough to install the Nvidia driver and reboot
 
so, would it be an apt-get update
my bash /cmnd line is limited
 
@Serg 5 determined 3k+ users could reopen daily around 40 unfairly closed questions. In the only one case it happened, the mods started to give some 1y cage, but I am not sure it should happen again.
 
@allquicatic gottcha. thanks
 
@allquicatic They laid them off???? Wow! They are really psychos then. I've heard they got "other tasks" from their employer, not in the java development.
 
@peterh That also can be done.
 
@allquicatic I suspected, it is essentially a threat for the google, to "help" the java development, if he makes such a lot profit from it. And, the google can threat back with the go, but it is not a really strong threat, because the developers learned java/android won't be happy to switch to go. Many of them would switch to the m$ or to the ios. Particularly in the US.
@Serg Maybe a "question reopen" chatroom could be started, where everybody could post his/her question nominated for reopen. And people having 3k+ on the given site, could decide if he supports the initiative or not.
@Serg I've heard once from a similar initiative, but into the other direction: a "delete voters" chatroom has once existed. Then the founder got a 1y ban and he didn't came back. It seems the SE don't like the cooperations.
@allquicatic What if google would buy Oracle?
@allquicatic Well, I think it is forbidden by the U.S. anti-trust law. Somehow naming an OS from a furniture, or from a fruit, and then banning every product even with a similar name, it wasn't... suck US
 
@peterh Huh? Just... "Huh?" in general to your last several comments. I'm really not sure where you're going with all this. And no, Google could never buy Oracle. Not going to happen.
And the lawsuit between Google and Oracle over Java has nothing to do with trademarks.
 
9:41 PM
What's the current kernel for 1604lts or whats the command to have it shown to me? I used the reveal once before but I forgot
 
uname -r
 
@allquicatic Maybe it is like the lawsuit between Sun and Microsoft about the J#?
 
@allquicatic thats it. ty
 
@Jodamo117 cat /proc/version
 
@peterh No need to guess; there are hundreds of stories explaining exactly what it's about. It's Oracle thinking they can copyright the Java API.
 
9:45 PM
proc: Is a dir
 
@Jodamo117 don't bother with cat /proc/version; uname -r is fine
 
@allquicatic I think, they want money and don't know, how can they get it. Maybe they repented that java has been opensourced. But I am sure, if it hadn't been, it would be much smaller now. And the also Android would be much smaller, and it would use probably a go-like api.
 
thank you
 
my name changed apparently :p
 
@Zanna lol
 
9:50 PM
@allquicatic Or, C++. But C++ is killed by that templates can't be made non-inline.
 
@edwinksl ;)
 
@terdon Brüssel needs this lesson after their ongoing population-genetical game.
 
please VTC as whatever askubuntu.com/questions/817285/…
 
10:21 PM
@Zanna very descriptive "as whatever" lol
i don't think we have that close reason
 
hahah :) but that Q has All The Reasons
 
ASUS sucks
 
It's nice hardware imo, just more locked down to windows than average :(
 
@Zanna Now i am getting CPU fan errors.
>:(
 
The meta discussion is tiring me. I could have been working on my code instead of wasting time on this BS
Without moderator intervention, probably this will go nowhere
 
10:31 PM
@Serg You need Mod's Magic
 
11:26 PM
It's Friday! Woo!
 
God blessed me with a stupid , violent, and completely heartless father
 
:(
It's already Saturday here & past bedtime, night all
(or morning, or afternoon, as applicable)
 
Oh, I've learned it well now - people show real faces when you're down
Just wait till I get my own appartments. I won't even call or come visit you
I try to love people, but they just dig their own reputation graves in my eyes
 
11:43 PM
@Serg not the best place to discuss these things
add me on gchat if you want. my email is on my profile
 
don't worry, i'll leave for now
I'm unstable anyway
 
@Serg okay, add whenever you feel like it, otherwise stay calm and carry on :)
 
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